100% celeron oc on the smallest/crappiest boxed cooler ever, all stock

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Originally Posted by jgxworker

Where can I buy that CPU in Holland. And Kiwi where have you bought it?

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alternate.nl has them, i think a 420 starts at 49 euros

i dont really like their customer service, and i myself refuse to by from them, but as long as you dont need to use their customer service, they are an OK shop

and god i love the look of that boxed cooler, i might just have to pick one up myself to toy around with, i actually find myself hoping my moms old athlon xp machine breaks down so i get to buy a 420 or 2140 to replace it, just to toy around with it

uf 49€ is expensive for 420 dont you think, especially for holland.

35,20€ + 20% tax = 42,24€ and let say 10-15% margain

10% 46,50€
15% 48,60€

plus retailler gives you 4% rebate here in slovenija i think :)

so price in stores should be less then 49€ for 420 :)

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Originally Posted by Gamer

and do what with it ?

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Oh yeah, an X2 3600+ is just so antiquated, it probably can't even run Notepad. :rolleyes:

40 seconds 1 super-pi in default frequecs rite?
33/2=1.65 ghz
Or 1.65*2=3.3 ghz

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Originally Posted by TEDY

uf 49€ is expensive for 420 dont you think, especially for holland.

35,20€ + 20% tax = 42,24€ and let say 10-15% margain

10% 46,50€
15% 48,60€

plus retailler gives you 4% rebate here in slovenija i think :)

so price in stores should be less then 49€ for 420 :)

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yeah i guess 49 is a bit expensive, but keep in mind theyve only just started to appear, alternate is the only shop ive seen em at, so once availability gets better, i think i should be able to get one for 40-45 euros

wow these are faster than FX57s
man times have changed

It is not the cpu but the mobo that makes me happy.
Single-core processors are doomed, but this mobo can make wonders for a decent matx computer with a dual core inside. Or maybe a quaddie?!?

Impressive OC, and even more impressive CPU and motherboard... Never in my wildest dreams would I ever thought I'd see a 945-based motherboard with such an amazing OC potential... Also, That Celly is utterly absurd... 100% OC with stock voltages AND that almost passive heatsink? Astonishing! Do you think all of them will be like that one, or you were just lucky?

Btw, apart from being E21xx cut in half, what else do these new Cellys lack? Is Dual Channel memory supported? and how about EIST and C1E?

Cheers.

Miguel

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Originally Posted by DrFreeze

alternate.nl has them, i think a 420 starts at 49 euros

i dont really like their customer service, and i myself refuse to by from them, but as long as you dont need to use their customer service, they are an OK shop

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Thanks, they didn't had it when I posted my post. But still thanks. I will buy one soon and check what it does ^^. Maybe a nice replacement for my mom's 800Mhz AMD. She still needs a new PC, and when it clocks like that she will be happy.

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Originally Posted by jgxworker

Maybe a nice replacement for my mom's 800Mhz AMD.

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Just MAYBE? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Hell, even if you go with the 1.6GHz one, it will be doubling the CPU speed, and God knows how much more FSB we're talking about... Not to mention the added speed coming from extra RAM and GPU (even if it is an IGP, you usually don't run high-end AGP GPUs on 800MHz CPUs... lol). That is going to be one heck of a jump... (Like when I swtitched from a 12MHz 80286 to a 180MHz Pentium Pro... hehehe Well, maybe not that big, but you get the picture... :ROTF:)

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Originally Posted by jgxworker

She still needs a new PC, and when it clocks like that she will be happy.

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I think happy would be an understatement. But we're still talking about a woman, and they can have unexpected reactions... :p:

One of those, a pair of DDR2-667MHZ 512MB (as low as €40 for the pair, from what I've seen) sticks and something like a 775i945GZ from ASRock (cheapest C2D-Ready board I could think of in short notice, though the new ConRoe1333-DVI/H costs only €10 more, at least here in Portugal), and you're good to go.

Oh, wait... Under €200 for the upgrade? Auch, that's gotta hurt... And less than €300 for a complete PC (without monitor or peripherals)? Nice! Now, if one could get some of those in a cluster... :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:

Cheers.

Miguel

Here are main differences between new celeron and 21xx:

Number of cores:
1 | 2

L2 Cache Size:
512KB | 1MB

Core Stepping:
A1 | L2

Thermal Design Power:
35W | 65W

Both have (C1E), diable bit, EM64T, TM
21xx has EIST whereas celerons don't

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Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

i tried the same

with the tiny Intel box and 1.45v (windows) and with more vcore = no help

:)

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:up:

You surely got FSB wall on air...but very good result.

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Both have (C1E), diable bit, EM64T, TM
21xx has EIST whereas celerons don't

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Thanks for the info, kiwi. It would be nice to also have EIST on the Cellys, but I guess with such a low TDP already they can ditch it with no harm comming from it.

Also, it seems DC memory mode is supported for the first time (on Celerons, that is...). FSB bump, same cache (Cedar Mill Cellys had already doubled the cache from the Prescott ones), TDP lowered, C1E, DC, Core arquitecture...

Not a bad upgrade for the Celeron line at all... Seems to me only the "top dogs" on the 6xx line (probably only 64x and up) can face these new Cellys, right? Now I understand why Intel got rid of (oficial) Netburst support starting on the x3x (Bearlake) line of chipsets...

Cheers.

Miguel

What eist, not sure, two word description.
Thanks

__Miguel_:

If you by DC mean dual channel then it is not cpu but rather chipsets that support it :) 945/975/965/p35 and many other older Intel and other manufacturer's chipsets support DC

And I'd choose new cellies over pentium 6xx any time :)

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Originally Posted by elec999

What eist, not sure, two word description.
Thanks

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Huh? :D

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep technology

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Originally Posted by kiwi

If you by DC mean dual channel then it is not cpu but rather chipsets that support it :) 945/975/965/p35 and many other older Intel and other manufacturer's chipsets support DC

And I'd choose new cellies over pentium 6xx any time :)

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Hmmm, that's weird... I now Dual Channel depends on chipset implementation. However, I remember reading a while back (not very sure when, I think it was more than a year ago) Celeron CPUs couldn't use Dual Channel memory mode even if the chipset allowed it.

Also, when I had my P4P800-VM (865G-based socket 478 Asus mobo) and my 2.6GHz Celly (pre-Prescott Celeron :rolleyes:), I remember I never got to use DC... At least I don't think I did... It was a while back... hehe

Btw, about DC chipset support. Right now I think only SiS and VIA IGP chipsets don't have that feature. Which is rather yucky, since boards based on those chipsets are usually dirt cheap and can be rather feature-filled... I think I can't remember the last VIA-based (SiS was always a pain for me...) motherboard I saw without RAID support (which is not that common in Intel-based mobos...).

Cheers.

Miguel

I'm about to buy a 420, can get one for 57 USD - damn cheap.
However, which mobo would you guys buy? do you believe ABIT Fatal1ty F-I90HD could reach any good speeds (can buy it demo, built in gfx, cheap). If not, can you write down some budget mobos which will OC well?
Do you think some random Kingston 667 memories would survive some overclocking? got the stock cooler from my E6600 to equip as well.

Right now, the best mATX OC-able mobos are the G33M-DS2R from Gigabyte, the F-I90HD from Abit and some variants of the "1333" series 945GC-based ASRock. If you prefer ATX boards, then the value segment starts off with the "4Core" series from ASRock.

Of course, you'll need external graphics in any of these boards. The ATX one because, well, it doesn't have an IGP. The mATX ones because the IGP severely limits the OC potential of ANY motherboard.

Cheers.

Miguel

Thanks for your recommendations :)

I would prefer an ATX board over mATX - just wondered about that one since it were so damn cheap.

Any other recommendations? There are a lot of DEMO mobos to buy as well (repaired, used, rma'ed).
ASrock is a good choice for value overclocking? it has the VIA PT880 chipset which I thought weren't good at all. I can however buy the ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA for 76 USD which indeed is very cheap.

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Originally Posted by dinos22

wow these are faster than FX57s
man times have changed

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more like come full circle, rember the old celeron 300a's ?

man, its the cheapest 100% oc'able proc ive ever seen.

Are these celerons 64bit, the cpuz says emt64, not is it correct.
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I think all Intel CPUs since the appearing of the Core 2 Duo mobile line are 64bit capable. Only a few Cellys (from the Celeron D line), the Pentium M and the Core Duos are NOT 64 bit capable.

Also, this CPU is a direct descendant of the E21x0 line, which is also 64 bit enabled. The only difference on these Cellys (apart from the single core thing, of course) from the "bigger brothers" is the lack of EIST, every other tech available on the E21x0 is also present on the C4xx line.

Cheers.

Miguel

i have some problem with this Celly 430 when fits on DFI P965 mobo
i can't access the BIOS :( , eventhough i can get into the windows flawlessly
but i need to crank her up...
any BIOS update for this mobo?

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Originally Posted by wedfighter

i have some problem with this Celly 430 when fits on DFI P965 mobo
i can't access the BIOS :( , eventhough i can get into the windows flawlessly
but i need to crank her up...
any BIOS update for this mobo?

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yeah sounds like a bios problem..