R650, 65 nanometre comes in Q3

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

Interesting if true... But if it's slated for Q3 that means they officially state the R600 sucks donkeyballs and those who actually buy a R600 card will see their investment go down the drain in 6 months...

I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy a $500 GPU and see it devaluate by half in 6 months..

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I'm sorry, that's been the case as far as i can remember. That's why I personally never ever buy a brand new gpu.

Ie: I got X800Xt for about $65USD(this was when X1800XLs were getting launched), x1800XT for $170USD(when X1900s were just popping out)

Must also consider in my country is way more expensive than USA...

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Originally Posted by XeRo

But this is from FUD. FUD hates ATi with a passion.

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QFT :toast:

AFAIK they didn't actually hate them, they used to be fanboys, but since their arguments with them they now do spread utter FUD.

Nothing bad in that they live up to the point WHY they opened the site and named it..

FUD :D

I expect it to be the XTX in 1GB GDDR4 @ 2200-2400 at 65nm with a few more subtle additions, like higher clock shaders and more TMU/ROPs. :woot:

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Originally Posted by KTE

QFT :toast:

AFAIK they didn't actually hate them, they used to be fanboys, but since their arguments with them they now do spread utter FUD.

Nothing bad in that they live up to the point WHY they opened the site and named it..

FUD :D

I expect it to be the XTX in 1GB GDDR4 @ 2200-2400 at 65nm with a few more subtle additions, like higher clock shaders and more TMU/ROPs. :woot:

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FUD chases the money, that's the sole purpose of his articles...

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Originally Posted by GMX

FUD chases the money, that's the sole purpose of his articles...

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We think alike. ;)

Actually we don't. It's just a fact. :D

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

If this is true the only real advantage of 65nm is manufacturing cost, not necessarily better cooling or OC.

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Sorry, but what are you talking about?
It even said that it will have higher clocks. Probably it will also use less power.

Hmm, Q3 they say.... Expect it in Q1 2008.

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Originally Posted by |JACK-

That's life no?
remember the X1800? that was a pure rip off :slapass:

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Depends..... my 7800GTX had a long life span.... I skipped the X1800 cause I knew the X1900 was around the corner...
Sometimes the internet news helps you decide... even if it is from Fudzilla...

If you take the G80 and how long it's on the market and will be until the next one comes out it's more and longer value for the money...
Hell you don't see nVidia making news before they released the G80 that the G90 was going to make it's appearance 6 months later.. bla bla bla...
This is just stupid marketing.....

sounds nice, but it will probably have to compete with nvidias next gen architecture which might be a problem

g90 will be to the g80 what g70 was to nv40, essentially the same architecture, just a bigger and wider implementation with a few new tricks thrown in. I'd expect a die shrink g81 first though, unless a 65nm g80 design is what the g96 is going to be.

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Originally Posted by flopper

80nm 900mhz seems avialble with stockcooling, 1ghz then its watercooling time.

For extreme clockers 80nm using cold and ln2 stuff the heat will not be an issue at all ;)

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Heat wouldn't be an issue but available power might, there's only so much they can get from PCIe & 2x3 + 2x4 pin connectors.

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Originally Posted by saaya

sounds nice, but it will probably have to compete with nvidias next gen architecture which might be a problem

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I would say it will most definitely be a problem. It seems the Radeon cycle is now perma-behind Nvidia. If they launch a next-gen part at the end of the year to compete with the R600 refresh, no doubt a refresh will come shortly after R700 (at 55, if not 45nm), and the cycle continues.

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Originally Posted by OWA

g90 will be to the g80 what g70 was to nv40, essentially the same architecture, just a bigger and wider implementation with a few new tricks thrown in. I'd expect a die shrink g81 first though, unless a 65nm g80 design is what the g96 is going to be.

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I bet Nvidia skips 80nm and goes straight to 65nm. They been ordering test waffers for some time (late last year iirc), and there was some reports out of TSMC that nvidia wanted assurance they could handle a top-end switch this early to 65nm. That being said, who knows if there will be a G80 straight-shrink (G81) before they release a part with added shaders etc (G90). That still seems up in the air, as far as public domain information goes. If I were a betting man, I would think they would soup G80 up while shrinking it, essentially becoming G90. A 512-bit bus, and perhaps 160 dual-issue scalars + MUL (granted, if rumours are true, G80 may already contain 160 scalars). That seems the most probable to me, as it would tie in nicely with G80's architecture, essentially increasing it by 20-25% architecturally speaking, plus whatever die size/clock advantages the shrink would yield.

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Originally Posted by Death Reborn

Heat wouldn't be an issue but available power might, there's only so much they can get from PCIe & 2x3 + 2x4 pin connectors.

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I would agree with that statement if you said 2x 2x3 connectors. Remember they HAVE to make R600 work with 225w, and that seems to cripple it. With the up to 300W available from the 2x3 + 2x4 connectors (plus pci-e slot), it appears to perform just fine...but I don't think AMD wanted to take the step to REQUIRE the 8-pin connector. Hopefully they can get clocks to a reasonable spot within that power envelope (225W) for the refresh. I reckon they can, but ponder if it will be enough for whatever nvidia has cooking. I am thinking the negative.