Feedback needed from everyone here PLEASE!

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Originally Posted by serialk11r

Why thanks for the complement, they are quite rare...

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No thanks needed. After 28 years of working on water cooled machines running everything from VS1 to VSE to VM to MVS to OS/390 to z/OS and z/Linux, yours is a refreshing voice. I get a real kick out of how seriously people take these little PC's we run as a hobby and at the same time I find myself doing the same thing. LoL. "Let's get serious about thermodynamics and fluid flow".

Our machines are so insignificant yet we take them soooo seriously. This radiator and that block. Who cares. No one in the real world uses these to run their business. Okay, a few lighthearted soles may.

Just do me a favor and maintain that enthusiasm. I find it very refreshing. You make the rest of us THINK.

Now go do your HOMEWORK! :slapass:

EDIT: BTW, its Compliment Check your spelling and feel free to correct mine.

Just want to thank everyone for all your ideas/comments/and your do's & donts. Today im going to find/make a nice housing and i'll post pictures when done. This might take me a few day so bare with me.

newls1,

Off topic, but Autozone just posted good earnings results. They are rapidly expanding and the Atlanta area is a high growth region. Perhaps you may want to contact them. The human resources manager for Georgia can be contacted at:

mailto: dchr.lavonia@autozone.com

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...rameters=STORE

I respectfully suggest that the job search should take precedence over computer building. I have been down and out before, and being down and out brings people to do irrational things. But its none of my business.

The very best to you.

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Originally Posted by IanY

newls1,

Off topic, but Autozone just posted good earnings results. They are rapidly expanding and the Atlanta area is a high growth region. Perhaps you may want to contact them. The human resources manager for Georgia can be contacted at:

mailto: dchr.lavonia@autozone.com

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...rameters=STORE

I respectfully suggest that the job search should take precedence over computer building. I have been down and out before, and being down and out brings people to do irrational things. But its none of my business.

The very best to you.

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Thank you very much for this EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE REPLY, however I already gave autozone my app a few times, and nothing came about.

OK, I sketched out my case specs and sent them off to a company that *MIGHT* be able to produce them for me. Not sure on the prices YET, but im keeping my fingers / toes crossed that it will be affordable.

Just read a few posts in on the first page... A bit confused.

Are you going to take an existing case like a Stacker and modify it for watercooling, or are you going to make something that sits on top like the Koolance Exos system?

If you are going to make an Exos look-a-like, take a gander in the Phase Change forum and look at the cases people put single stage (SS) units in... get the name of their manufacturer and give them a call with your dimensions, if thats what youre looking for.

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Originally Posted by Polizei

Just read a few posts in on the first page... A bit confused.

Are you going to take an existing case like a Stacker and modify it for watercooling, or are you going to make something that sits on top like the Koolance Exos system?

If you are going to make an Exos look-a-like, take a gander in the Phase Change forum and look at the cases people put single stage (SS) units in... get the name of their manufacturer and give them a call with your dimensions, if thats what youre looking for.

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Im working with a few companies in designing my "OWN" custom enclosure! Should "being the key word" come out looking incredible. Im on the phone right now (on hold of course) with a company trying to figure some angles out.

Why try to re-invent the wheel? Given the resources I'd look to the future with some kind of compressor (not TEC) based water chiller system. Like those 1/3hp aquarium chillers, only in a Koolance EXOS sized case. Have it microprocessor controlled with a built in ambient temperature and humidity sensor that calculates the dew point, so that the water is chilled dynamically under load so the temperature never goes below the dew point (no condensation worries). Keep it <$500 or 60% the price of the cheapest phase unit and you'd have a winner - better results than plain water, not quite as expensive, finicky, or dangerous as phase. As much as I like building and tinkering with things, sometimes I just want to be done with 5 minutes of setup and get amazing results, you know?

The main thing with external systems is that you're basically limited to 3/8" ID tubing for a PCI pass through, unless you want to get into drilling/case modding or your case has grommetted pass throughs built in.

If someone that wants to take on your job of manfacutring something and they put you on hold..hang up!

I called 5 frame builders trying to get a deal on a proto made. Only one in Poland said we will call you back as we'll get the paper work here ready. Ten mins latter called me back and i have 2 protos now being made for free. Now that tells me they want my contact and money and can deliver

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Originally Posted by Pete

If someone that wants to take on your job of manfacutring something and they put you on hold..hang up!

I called 5 frame builders trying to get a deal on a proto made. Only one in Poland said we will call you back as we'll get the paper work here ready. Ten mins latter called me back and i have 2 protos now being made for free. Now that tells me they want my contact and money and can deliver

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i'm giving everyone a fair chance first. The drawing that i provided these places is "less then steller"" So there will be some confusion;) . i'll keep you all posted. thanks again for everyones feedback

WOW, I cant believe how fast I can get confused when build a case, and trying to explain it to someone. Either way, just a FYI, I should have a case in my hands by next week, and will keep you all updated. Thank you

OK, here is an update: I found a local metal shop in my area today after going to home depot and asking "random" "good ol boys" if there is any one in the area that can custom bend, weld metal, and most of the people all came back with the same company:) . I got there number and as soon I did that, some Home Depot worker told me to leave the property cause I was soliciting:D . Well I got the info I needed so I took off, (now keep in mind, i'm new to this state as I just moved here from S. Florida) I called these people up, drove to the Alabama/Georgia state line where there shop is, and I will have a custom "made to my specs" case Tuesday. Wish me luck here please guys, and I'll post up pics as soon as I feel like its worthy enough to show pics of it.

Take Care

my bad never mind.

Deleted for mis-understanding

Another Update: Going to pickup case today "hopefully" that its done at the machine shop. I've ordered all the wiring guts, and parts for the inside, and HOPEFULLY should be rolling with it soon.

I got my case today from the metal shop, I'll post pics in about an hour. I really hope it is a good design. Im sure you all will let me know. I can tell you it is made from steel, and VERY STRONG! The pics im posting will be of it in a rough stage, I primed it since, and will do a nice paint job on it.

sounds good

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I got my case today from the metal shop, I'll post pics in about an hour. I really hope it is a good design. Im sure you all will let me know. I can tell you it is made from steel, and VERY STRONG! The pics im posting will be of it in a rough stage, I primed it since, and will do a nice paint job on it.

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Well, the damn machine shop screwed up:slap: . They made the top 1 3/8ths inches to short, so now the RAD wont fit in there. Going back on the 20th, with the RAD in hand, so we can work with the RAD, and the case at the same time. I'll keep you posted, and thanks for the interest.

Will these be large enough to house a Thermochill rad or just a BIP/MCR?

NEW UPDATE!

I picked up my **RE-DONE** case today at the shop, brought it home, and ran into another issue, (well 2 actually).. 1st and for-most is that with the hoses all on, I cant get the hose to go to the rad with out it kinking VERY badly no matter what I did to prevent it, and just the thought of having such a tight bend didn't make me happy! 2nd, I came up with a second case design cause I decided I didn't like my original design that much anymore. I mocked my new case design out of cardboard, and will bring it to the metal fab shop tomorrow in the AM, and I swear after I paint it, I WILL SHOW you all pics. I hope you all like it, will have plenty of plexi-glass, and will be VERY strong. I hope to start selling these in the next 2 weeks.

I did what the "F" i wanted. In one case i built a wood box with two rads for a side put a table fan in the plenum area outside the rads and sucked. Works great. I ran a 120v pump Iwaki 20rzl at that bouth for $40 off eBay ...a used aquarium pump runs like hell and runs like forever...you do not want those Angel Fish to croak do you? Iwaki is a good pump. They rebuild if necessary.

Second cooler. Got a pump off eBay for $40. An I/R NIB that someone wanted to dump...basically the same as the Iwaki and rated at 5GPM. All the necessary stuff went in to a coffee table the PC sits on. I was not happy with the bougs rads i bought cheap off eBay so I got two heater cores and inlined those in the system AFTER I added 120v fans on the core. I made a 2g reservior. i only use distilled water. Leaking toxin UV dye is not my cup of tea.

SO WHAT YOU SHOULD DO:::::: Do what you want. Use a 120v pump and stick the stuff in and extra closet, the basement....in furniture....whatever.

HEAD is the power they sell pumps by. That is their rating. GO 5PGM. If you hae 30 feet head you can put the cooler in the basement and run it to the PC whereever it might be.

Do whatever you want.

You will have to buy kitter stuff to go in a case. Kitters have figured that all out.

You will find that Home Depot has PCV piping in all sizes. What I did for the rad is bush down wnd reducer down until I had the size for the 3/8" barbs....that is conceptually easy but you will need to think.

McMaster Carr is an online store that has all the fittings and tube BTW> Chicago to LaCrosse is usually a two day delivery for me.

Use McMaster Carr to find tube and barbs. They have a 3/8' double wall tube I love as you can make it into a pretzel and not kink it. $.25 per foot. [that is good] You can find 1/2' PCV screw fitting barbs and glue up barbs too. It is all there.

Thanks for the info:)

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Originally Posted by newls1

Thanks for the info:)

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Cast your eyes on that McMaster Carr catalogue. It really is all there. It is a matter of you acclamating to the [a] site layout [b] terminology.

One really good pump you could find actually cools a huge copier machine. Pumps are in the elaborate soda pop machine at fast food joints. Pumps and tube are everywhere.

Once yo get in the FAT PART of eBay that has 5gpm INLINE pumps [you want under and inch fitting to the pump to bush/ reduucder it to your size] you got it made.....you can make what you imagine.

You can flip your unit on with a switch or a relay in your PCI slot. Take you r pick.

Is anyone interested in what im building for the community:( . I feel like im the only one looking foward to this cooling unit. Sure its not a phase cooler for -52c cooling, but a reliable kickass cooler I would think would be surely welcomed:D . I really think this will be a great cooler for those of you that dont like to chop up your case, make everything fit, remove items just to make the rad fit, etc..... The only thing you will have to do is run my custom build cables to the unit, and I provide the PCI card slot bracket, and my custom made cables, so installation (besides filling it of course & bleeding it) will be extremely easy for anyone;) . Any hoo, back to the topic.

My new custom case design is at my fabrication shop this morning, and I made a batch of power cables today, so with any luck I should be rolling with a working unit next thrusday/friday:)

The more I think about this the more I want to say it: IF you go into the *Phase Change* section of this wonderful forum, you have your main guys that build those units, and have a great reputation, I know this first hand as I've bought a ChiLLy1 unit last year. I believe there are 2-3 guys that build units in that section of the forums and they have excellent feedback here. I would like to be the same way, but in the *Water-Cooling* section:cool: . Let me prove myself, as I think (hope) you all will like me.

Take care peoples'