AMD: Barcelona "introduction" at end of Q2, in market Q3

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Originally Posted by LOE

You are wrong, the answer to the question is the first part of his sentence, the "It's in the speculation stage"

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lol go se my edit... daam you're fast :)

I'm going to have to go with LOE on this one, 40-70% over Kentsfield is insane!:eek:

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Originally Posted by LOE

In a way he is saying "dunno how much faster K10 will be over kentsfield, but we know we improve our performance by 40-70%"

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And how it's possible not to know how much faster K10 will be over kenstfield, when we go K8 numbers, we got kent numbers and we now know K10 will "gain" 40% to 70% over K8? Where's the speculation?

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Originally Posted by Ruiz

"In spite of all the hype and hoopla, there is no really such thing that Intel has leapfrogged AMD. It's quite the contrary. As a matter of fact, despite all the perceptions of Intel closing the gap, half the time they do a little bit better and the other half we do. And all of that will end with the introduction of Barcelona because it's such a significant jump in performance and quality. I'm confident we will lead in that respect."

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So he is not considering the 10-50% advantage of Intel as a leapfrog, but yet as Intel closing the gap, but he considers the 20%-50% advantage of K10 as a significant jump that will end the performance crown switching from one side to the other: "half the time they do a little bit better and the other half we do."

Well i only see AMD staying with the performance crown for a while with a 40% to 70% "gain" over Intel quadcore... but hey maybe he also didn't said what he meant here, maybe we should ignore what he says and try to figure out what he really means :)
Propaganda is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.



And english is not my native language also. :rolleyes:

LOE might be right here. The way I look at is simple. AMD knows the hard numbers. Saying 40%-70% seems to be "throwing a bone" to me. When AMD obtains the performance crown you would hear more solid numbers. Using 40%-70% is not solid numbers. And, the 30% disparity is not technical data IMO. If it is, something is wrong with the data. To lose 30% performance just doesn't make whole lot of sense. Is it going from 32 bit to 64 bit? Running 3dmark06 vs BF2, what would cause a 30% loss in performance in a next gen cpu?

if it were gains over K8, then we'd have to know if we're talking about core to core gain based on enhancements, or dual-core to quad-core plus enhancements gain, i'd hope for the first type...

Some new info on Barcelona:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachment....0&noupdate=yes
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...%26endtime%3d0

Lol thats one funny translation!
So first it was K8L and then K10 but the hidden real name is chinese red army edition =)

The problem with the new K10s or whatever they're going to be called isn't going to be the amount of their baseline advantage over c2d or kentsfiled. The issue is going to be how well do they clock?

A 2.2ghz chip that I can only clock to 3ghz under SS Phase (a la X2 3800+) won't really be any better for me than my current c2d clocked with not much trouble to 4.1ghz.

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Originally Posted by DoubleZero

A direct and clear question, a direct a clear response and still you manage to take the wrong conclusion... The 40 to 70 percent is against the Intel Quadcore, not against Intel dual core, not against a imaginary AMD rev.F quadcore.

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I don't think it's quite as clear, as has been discussed on this thread. I tend to agree with LOE's interpretation. These 40% and 70% numbers have been used before by AMD, at AMD's Virtual IT experience and in this press release:

Simulations conducted in AMD laboratories indicate that certain database applications will see performance improvements up to 70 percent and certain floating point applications will experience performance gains of up to 40 percent over platforms powered by current dual-core AMD Opteron processors.

They've always been used before relative to a rev. F dual core. I wrote a post about it when this press release came out.

As for the "speculation" part, I think the speculation is for performance vs. Clovertown. I don't think AMD does knows exactly what Intel will be releasing this summer. There has been talk of a 3.0 GHz Clovertown and improved chipsets.

The slightly easier to see graphic

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachment....0&noupdate=yes

I hope we see some CRAZY numbers... hehehe :-)

~Mike

Motiv,look five posts above...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by LOE

You don't need that much cooling for a 3Ghz 3800+

Also that clocks are for QUAD cores, dual cores should go atleast 400 Mhz higher

If amd are beeing hones and a 2.3 Ghz K10 is 40% faster than a 2.66 Ghz kentsfield that would mean you need at least 4500 Mhz core 2 to match 3000 Mhz K10

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yep - but the question still remains as to how will they clock. Hitting 3.2 -3.6 on good air or water is pretty normal for a c2d. will it be the same for Agena/Barcelona? If yes, then I'll very happily go back to AMD as I suspect will many others. But A64 chips were never the speed demons like intel chips were/are so we'll have to wait and see how the new AMDs do.

All I have to say is that if nVidia can surprise everyone and make the Geforce 8 series better than a lot of people expected...why can't AMD?

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Saying 40%-70% seems to be "throwing a bone" to me. When AMD obtains the performance crown you would hear more solid numbers. Using 40%-70% is not solid numbers. And, the 30% disparity is not technical data IMO.

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so you're ignoring the fact that different cores like different types of workloads? what one cpu might do really well in, the other might be so-so, and vice versa? ;)

If K10 is faster than what Intel is offering at Christmas time 07, then I'll switch back to AMD. Hopefully, they'll clock upwards of 3.2 to 3.6ghz on air or water by then! :)

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Originally Posted by freeloader

If K10 is faster than what Intel is offering at Christmas time 07, then I'll switch back to AMD. Hopefully, they'll clock upwards of 3.2 to 3.6ghz on air or water by then! :)

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If I knew what the world was gonna be like in 9 months then I would be filthy stinking rich. The future holds many surprises and secrets, patience is key at times

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Originally Posted by nn_step

If I knew what the world was gonna be like in 9 months then I would be filthy stinking rich. The future holds many surprises and secrets, patience is key at times

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QFT...

Speculation is fun, as long as it doesn't cost you anything.

Dont Forget Nehalem and be sure that intel is not Blellum!!

The thing I find interesting is that these are 95W parts. Sureley, if they felt the need, they could have bumped it up to 125W and raised the clock, if they felt they couldn't compete at 2.3 Ghz. And what is RDDR2?



Btw, here's an english version.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?...me=0&endtime=0