Dtek Fusion or Apogee GT what would you chose?

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02-08-2007, 12:37 PM
h20 frag-monger

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Originally Posted by IanY

Its popular because its not from Swiftech. Its sad but that's the unfortunate answer.

Also, as far as this forum goes, the model name "Apogee" has a lot of baggage. The unplaced hatred for the original Apogee was mind boggling.

3-to-1 is about the right ratio I expected out of this poll, never mind that the Swiftech Storm Rev 2 is still the best water block for a regular dual core cpu :)

I dissagree in both my test bench and in system tests Fuzion beat Storm rev2 ....it also beat the apogee GT both big o-ring and small o-ring (i have yet to publish this test).....also i have done some nozzle testing with the Fuzion, preliminary results are awesome (i'm still putting all the data in a readable format)
02-08-2007, 12:45 PM
IanY

Well, like I said, in my system, in my home, under my conditions, under my hands, the larger O-ring on the GT consistently beats out the FuZion. If you, or others, like to use homemade nozzles, then its your perrogative. I don't engineer products on behalf of companies.

I'm not going to get into a flamewar about this. You obviously have a lot of industry expertise and access to top level testing hardware.

Having said that, I can only use what works best for me. If its me alone against the rest of the world, then so be it. No amount of convincing from anyone, short of God, is going to get me to change my mind on what I see with my own eyes.

My Storms are on C2Ds and my two FuZions are on X2 AMDs. My only GT is on a Kentsfield. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I can only see what I see, not what everyone else sees. If I don't see clothes on the emperor, I'm not gloating about fine threads. Maybe I just need to have my eyes checked lol :)

If need be, I will stand with my face in the wind and do what is right for me.
02-08-2007, 10:43 PM
mion

Well from my experience with fuzion and apoggee gt, it is not really clear. I installed fat o ring on apoggee gt, ditched springs and it does outperform fuzion with e6400. I think apogee didn't beat fuzion untill I removed springs and install it with just thumb srews from fuzion.
02-08-2007, 11:03 PM
redcorn

Im really happy with the Fuzion

I am really happy with the Fuzion block for the quad core Im using it for. Temps are right where I expected to be and I have a little more room for overclocking when Nvidia releases a fix for the 680i chipset to overclock past 300fsb. I like the low restriction of the Fuzion. I was able to even the temps to all four cores to 1C in idle and load.
02-09-2007, 06:28 AM
IanY

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Originally Posted by redcorn

I am really happy with the Fuzion block for the quad core Im using it for. Temps are right where I expected to be and I have a little more room for overclocking when Nvidia releases a fix for the 680i chipset to overclock past 300fsb. I like the low restriction of the Fuzion. I was able to even the temps to all four cores to 1C in idle and load.

Huh? I have managed up to 378 FSB, but I'm using the Asus Striker. Fix for 680i chipset? They are going to release revision 2 of the chipset and that will require buying a new mobo if you are so inclined. I don't think there's a "fix" in the works.

If you like the FuZion, good for you. I like the FuZion too. Its a great water block.
02-09-2007, 01:52 PM
pie_uk

i orderd the fusion because it looks better and i pref D tek over swiftech.

its a bit silly to compare them this closely. D-TEK ftw !!!
02-09-2007, 02:12 PM
IanY

And the reason why you prefer D-Tek the company over Swiftech the company is because its not Swiftech, correct?

That's precisely my premise. The hatred for Swiftech across-the-board, for whatever the reason, is about as pervasive as the hatred for Microsoft, and it shows through.
02-09-2007, 03:57 PM
serialk11r

Well I think there isn't a hate for Swiftech, rather everyone is CRAZY over swiftech with the EXCEPTION of the Apogee. I mean plenty of people still have it because of the "high performance" written into its name. If you take a look, how many people have non-Swiftech blocks? How many DangerDen Maze4s and TDXs do you see? How many aquaextreme mp05 les or others do you see?
Well anyways, Fuzion SHOULD have better flow, so I think its really good for multiblock loops (of course you can't exactly tell a huge difference...) IanY like all your blocks are Swiftech lol...
02-09-2007, 04:41 PM
redcorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

And the reason why you prefer D-Tek the company over Swiftech the company is because its not Swiftech, correct?

That's precisely my premise. The hatred for Swiftech across-the-board, for whatever the reason, is about as pervasive as the hatred for Microsoft, and it shows through.

I really have no brand loyalty when it comes to water blocks I just buy what looks to be the best and performs but in this case you cant go wrong with either the Apogee GT or the Fuzion. I think people are buying which ever cosmetically apeals to them.
02-09-2007, 04:42 PM
IanY

Wrong. I bought two FuZions, remember? You never hear about my TDX. Yes, I own a TDX. I also have a Thermaltake lol
02-09-2007, 04:43 PM
redcorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

Huh? I have managed up to 378 FSB, but I'm using the Asus Striker. Fix for 680i chipset? They are going to release revision 2 of the chipset and that will require buying a new mobo if you are so inclined. I don't think there's a "fix" in the works.

If you like the FuZion, good for you. I like the FuZion too. Its a great water block.

Supposedly EVGA will have a bios fix to raise the front side bus for 6700 quad core owners by the end of next week you can go to the forums and check it out. I had the Stryker initially but couldnt get it to work so I got the EVGA. Im running 3.58 maxed out at 12x295 very stable.
02-09-2007, 05:45 PM
serialk11r

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

Wrong. I bought two FuZions, remember? You never hear about my TDX. Yes, I own a TDX. I also have a Thermaltake lol

You mentioned the Thermaltake before... I hope you replaced it with a 6002 like you said :P Anyways what I meant was you have a ton of swiftech stuff, an apogee, apogee gt, a whole bunch of storm rev. 2s...
02-09-2007, 06:48 PM
IanY

Quote:

Originally Posted by redcorn

Supposedly EVGA will have a bios fix to raise the front side bus for 6700 quad core owners by the end of next week you can go to the forums and check it out. I had the Stryker initially but couldnt get it to work so I got the EVGA. Im running 3.58 maxed out at 12x295 very stable.

My Striker is at 10 x 374. I don't have an EVGA board, but I have a BFG board. I'll look at it but I doubt the bios are interchangeable even though the BFG is another generic board.
02-10-2007, 05:49 AM
newls1

OK, check out these idle temps with the FuZion block http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?i...olycrapem1.jpg
02-10-2007, 05:55 AM
Zeus

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Originally Posted by newls1

OK, check out these idle temps with the FuZion block http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?i...olycrapem1.jpg

-10°C ambient? :confused:
02-10-2007, 05:55 AM
Bail_w

Quote:

Originally Posted by newls1

OK, check out these idle temps with the FuZion block http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?i...olycrapem1.jpg

link does not work, i cant see image.
02-10-2007, 07:40 AM
IanY

Hey.. it was 5 degrees F last night in my garage, and the windchill outside was -10 F... that's -23C. I probably can beat those idle temps with a Thermaltake waterblock :)

Can you please show us idle temps in a 22 C or 70 F room temp environment? :)
02-10-2007, 09:34 AM
newls1

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

Hey.. it was 5 degrees F last night in my garage, and the windchill outside was -10 F... that's -23C. I probably can beat those idle temps with a Thermaltake waterblock :)

Can you please show us idle temps in a 22 C or 70 F room temp environment? :)

Right now it is 9.6c in my room measured with my FLUKE 52II Thermometer and here are my IDLE temps http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10cidlewa1.jpg, This block is pretty freaking good if you ask me. My apogee wouldn't ever get this low, must have had a bad base.
02-10-2007, 09:41 AM
Zeus

hahaha that's a magical block, your core temp is lower than your ambient, where can i get those? :D

And 11°C in your room? No heater unit in your room? OMG that's cold.
02-10-2007, 10:00 AM
newls1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

hahaha that's a magical block, your core temp is lower than your ambient, where can i get those? :D

And 11°C in your room? No heater unit in your room? OMG that's cold.

oops, sorry, what I meant was 9.6. Have all my windows open, and it is so cold, you can see your breath
02-10-2007, 10:14 AM
Zeus

Still find that hard to believe.
I do not doubt it's a very good block but you got to have a mega efficient rad to get those temps.

My room temp is 21,6°C and my water is 25°C with a PA120.2 with 4 YateLoons running full throttle.
CPU shows 37°C though.

Have you tried anther bios?
Flashing bios might change your temps by some 10°C all of a sudden.
02-10-2007, 10:26 AM
newls1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Still find that hard to believe.
I do not doubt it's a very good block but you got to have a mega efficient rad to get those temps.

My room temp is 21,6°C and my water is 25°C with a PA120.2 with 4 YateLoons running full throttle.
CPU shows 37°C though.

Have you tried anther bios?
Flashing bios might change your temps by some 10°C all of a sudden.

Ya, Im sure your right, but either way, the fuzion is making me happy:toast:
02-10-2007, 10:34 AM
Zeus

I didn't mean to ruin your pleasure, enjoy it! :toast:
02-10-2007, 11:22 AM
newls1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

I didn't mean to ruin your pleasure, enjoy it! :toast:

no prob:D Thanks for all your comments.
02-10-2007, 11:38 AM
SiGfever

FuZion.

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