Forget it... ATI is AMD now, since then RD600 is no more
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Forget it... ATI is AMD now, since then RD600 is no more
That is one thing that worries me, will we get drivers and RAID bios updates for DFI to include in future bios' ?Quote:
Originally Posted by _Eduard_
Time will tell :)
I thought i get with DFI a great mobo with huge oc but after many posts i see many users have a bad opinion about this and the few users are happy about the huge oc (eva2000, Big, Tony, etc.). I don't know what shall i buy. My components are on my list and the mobo is DFI. I haven't much time and need a mobo. I don't want a bad mobo.
Well ... there`s nothing wrong when you get that board. it clocks ok and when you can handle that "babe" well ... it works well, if you treat it bad - it gives up on you. Itīs simple like that, I have no probs @all and my Xeons run nicely - even a tad better than on my P5W64 WS Pro ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GNU
Temps are kinda "normal", if you go for high FSB h2o on the NB is prefered. The Digital PWM does not really need h2o - if your airflow in the case is ok. Donīt believe too easy on such comments that the PWM-HS getīs "too hot" - itīs simply BS (donīt know what he had for dinner :D ). The 3060 here is primeing since 12h @3800 - and i still can touch the PWM HS without any probs !
Soon iīll post some results where they fit (3060@3,8 or 3,9 and 4.0 on the DFI .... :slobber: )
cya & stay cool ;)
I will be getting one soon. Hope its not as bad as you guys make it out to be.
I would not say I'm a great bencher, I don't use many of the os tweaks many guys know to optimise scores. Up high the board can be made quite stable. For outright benching, yes you can get faster clock for clock, there's no denying this as yet, you have to put a lot of work into getting bandwidth high and latency right down to get anywhere near 975 and 980i scores in some benchmarks, maybe someone else who's an expert could step forwards with some pinoeering tweaks. I have pushed a little farther and claimed another 5000 aq3 points last night just by finding a sweet spot on the ram. If someone like opb got hold of the board I'm sure he would take it further than me.
I feel if the bugs with sync could be removed somewhat we may see closer battle in some of the 3d scorers. The money shot for benching with this board seems to be Crossfire for those that have it. In all other areas the for normal use the board is fine. 3d benching or benching in general is not my strong point, so I'd take some of my figures with a pinch of salt. To date I've had no issues with the pwm at all. So far looking at hwbot, I'd say I'm about 100mhz in higher cpu speed than others who are scoring 73000 in 3dmark01 on gtx's with 650-660 on the core, I have certainly enjoyed my experience with it and it offered something different to play with, it's not worth judging a product and slating it from one angle only, there are lots of different users to consider and some just like extensive bios's. Oskar has a beta in the works, so I'm gonna give some more time yet..
I pushed out a little further thx to help from Phase at ocx, moving trc to around 8 (which was the sweet spot), trfc to 34 and tras to 1 gave a quite nice increase in aq3. I have not optimised anything in 01 yet....
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3...3221734uq6.jpg
So a 545 FSB i consider crap nowadays? Man you guys must be spoiled beyond spoiled :p
Im a gamer first an forth, but I do some overclocking ones in a while. If i could run my C2D CPU a 1000 MHz over stock 24/7 im satisfied with that. To me it seems that if you own a CPU with a multi of 9 or above this board will get you where your going. It's main competition is the 975 (FSB and 3Dwise) not the 965. We all know the 965 boards does FSB really well, but sucks at 3d when paired with 2 GPUs hence the Allendale crowd should stay away. SuperPi is not really my thing, to me a benchmark in Fear or someother game says more of what I'll be getting performance wise in applications and in games. A screenshots of a low SuperPi score dosen't get my surfing or fragging to go any faster at all.
And for how the boards has been excepted by user I would say that most opinions are positive (read every posting about the board here on the XS), but we don't really have a right to form a real opinion yet when only a handfull of users have gotten it and europe is pretty much still waiting. And how can you guys state that DFI street as a downside when it is no more? The new support forum is up and it seems to be doing well.
Sorry guys for stating the obvious to you, but some of us haven't gotten ahold of the board yet and are eagerly listening to every word that is said about it. It was just released this week here in Sweden, and currently only a singel retailer has it listed at all.
Any word on when anandtech is gonna give us that full review of the board, I think Bingo mentioned something about that back in December.
Hmm, maybe you have gotten a "lucky" board. I don't know but i hope if i buy the DFI RD600 i want a high oc. I'm a player and work with pinnacle vs. So I want a high oc to get a faster work on my pc not more (I believe I don't need the ocz flex because I couldn't reach the maximum with the DFI too bad :( ). The advantage from the DFI is the Bios. DFI has with Oskar Wu a great developer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete@X
@gambit: Yeah, the user has a good opinion about the DFI but the Benchmarkmaster don't want it. You can read the thread in xtreme benchmarks and you only see mobos without DFI.
Since i have 3 (1 sample and 2 retails from 2 sources) of them here - nopes - not a lucky board ;), the Board/CPUs combo works ok on all 3 boards :D You just have to treat the board nicely and it does what it needs to do :banana: . Massive plus are the Bios Settings regarding the Memory, the "Oskar Team" did a great job there :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by GNU
Xeon 3060@DFI ICFX3200-T2R/G - GSkill PC6400 2GBGA @PC8500 <- so far my 24/7 setup for gameing and the rest of the stuff :toast:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4...m167zn7.th.jpg
There is still room for some bios tweaks - but 1st i have to get rig 4&5 up and running :eek:
Edit: Itīs always funny to see ppl ditch the board - when they never had one in their hands :stick: ..... maybe they need an update of the "user.exe" :p:
How much of a difference is made between cooling the NB with H2O vs. a good heatsink and fan? With good airflow, I've read there may only be a couple of degrees in temperature difference. I was planning on using a Swiftech MCX159 I have laying around, but if going H2O is noticeably better, then it's time to make a purchase.
Air cooling will suffice but I think people water cool because there isn't many alternatives for air cooling due to the different sized loop mount.
Where as 975x dangerden block fits :)
FSB Isnt Everything, and the AW9D is 100% what a board should be (assuming you have expensive ram becsuse it runs tighter than anything ive used) and the FSB limit of ~400-445 on a stock board.
X6800 + AW9D is where it is at!
We were waiting on the last Beta bios to go public before releasing our final results, there have been numerous memory tweaks made and sync is working better. I have been trying to get an answer from DFI for a week now but it seems they are more interested in promoting the 965 Infinity scores at this time instead of locking this board down. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Gambit_2K
This is what always worried me about a mb with no future. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
Is DFI going to spend the time on bio updates for a one time deal mb or move on?:stick:
guys is there any advatanage to Prime 95 24.14 vs Prime95 v251....
If you run version v251...it seems to auto detect 2 cores and runs both at 100%
Damn that doesn't sound good at all =/Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
Too bad your P5W64 is prolly faster 400 mhz less...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete@X
This DFI board is crap, the only thing it does is run higher FSB (prime didnt even work for me, so I am not impressed at all)
Well, I run, err RAN a L628B chip @ 1.67v measured vcore, and the pwm was dead within an hour of running that voltage.Quote:
Temps are kinda "normal", if you go for high FSB h2o on the NB is prefered. The Digital PWM does not really need h2o - if your airflow in the case is ok. Don´t believe too easy on such comments that the PWM-HS get´s "too hot" - it´s simply BS (don´t know what he had for dinner :D ). The 3060 here is primeing since 12h @3800 - and i still can touch the PWM HS without any probs !
The chipset mounting is horrible, again, who on earth decided to use the stupid hooks and not a standard mounting with holes...
My P5WDG2 WS PRO got mildly warm to the touch @ 1.85vmch, my DFI RD600 BURNED ME
Stay away from this board.
First of all, who cares about the bios when the board just dies? The memmory performance is so low, no ammount of tweaking or running in different modes 1T/2T/3T/Sync is going to make this board catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
DFI has only proven with this board that they only make buggy and crappy Intel/ATI chipset boards.
Whoever stress tests these boards, or runs pre-release hardware clearly does not do a good job. If that is Tony or some other big name person here, I am sorry, but the results clearly speak for themselves. Anyone here is free to send me another RD600, I bet I will be able to kill it the same way in the same ammount of time.
I also feel sorry for those of you who buy this board through ewiz or ebay, when it dies, your out 240$
You are one user out of many who have had this board, YOU do not represent everyone, remember that because you seem to be forgetting it.
The only boards on XS that have died, is yours and some bloke who didn't insulate enough and phase condensation killed his board.
Every single product that comes of a manufacturing line will have ones which slip through quality control. Yours was obviously one of them.
I agree about the hooks, but the mount depends alot on the chipset and how its routed on the PCB.
DFI and Buggy ATI and Intel boards?
Ermm, well really the only really buggy ATi board they made was CFX3200 for 939. RDX200 was based on a crap chipset and a crap northbridge and you can't polish turd.
As for RD600, its a good chipset with lots of features and the SB600 seems like a good southbride apart from a few nigly raid problems. Unlike SB450 and the ULi one.
How many bios updates has the WS PRO had compared to ICFX3200? Answer speaks for itself. You got a bad board your angry and bitter and your views do not represent RD600 in any way other than chipset mounting and heat. :)
As for making crap intel boards, I recall the board pushing Fugger to 5GHz plus was a DFI 875 board (IIRC, cant be arsed to check)
I run though enough hardware that I know the difference between getting a bad board and getting a badly designed board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Who else runs higher than 1.65v on a B cpu here? Oh wait, no one.Quote:
The only boards on XS that have died, is yours and some bloke who didn't insulate enough and phase condensation killed his board.
It worked as it intended out of the box, I only had issues after I started going above 1.5v.Quote:
Every single product that comes of a manufacturing line will have ones which slip through quality control. Yours was obviously one of them.
Lets count:Quote:
DFI and Buggy ATI and Intel boards?
DFI Expert NF4 - killing CPUs
DFI CFX3200-DR - raid issues, ULI issues
DFI RDX200 - 100% crap
DFI RD600 - Slow raid, PWM that dies, bad NB voltage/mounting issues, etc
DFI 975x Infinity - initial release was horrible, only new bioses and revisions have fixed issues.
Thats off the top of my head anyway.
Having actual support isnt a bad thing. I am sure that running bios 0005 for the P5WDG2 would still be fine, as I had no issues. Lets count shipping bioses that worked 100% fine:Quote:
How many bios updates has the WS PRO had compared to ICFX3200? Answer speaks for itself. You got a bad board your angry and bitter and your views do not represent RD600 in any way other than chipset mounting and heat. :)
AW9D-MAX, first release added uplocked multis for X6800
P5WDG2 WS PRO, first release added more ram timings in bios and multiplier unlocked down.
XBX2 - make the bios not FFING confusing.
Again, good boards with good shipping bioses, and only minor revisions are so rare now :slapass:
I dont "get" free hardware for the reason that when I get crappy products, I post about it. You are welcome to buy me a second RD600 and I will happily kill it for you..
Board runs fine for me and I like it, but Ive never owned any other 775 board either :)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
i guess if you do say so....i have to believe......:D
it happens that i did some benching with single stage and 1 dfi icx3200....
E6600 L28B...running 1,75 vcore during hours
did 540 fsb benchable......
still alive and kicking
and the other one i have is still running fine.....WC rig.....pwm never excedes 28šc......
good strong solid board......i bit tricky......but nothing out of the ordinary
having some major issues with my ocz flex 9200 ram that refuses to boot after a clear cmos
but after i saw 2 dead p5b deluxe with no mods......maybe i can bash asus too and say that their boards are crap
i had a couple of ultra-d.....1 sli-d......1 VENUS......1 cfx3200....never touched an expert.....because i didnt trust it
never killed a board or a cpu......
tryed 4 diferent sets of ram....cellshock 6400...mushkin elpida chips....some generic oem pc 4200 ram and the ocz 9200 ....apart the vdimm issue with the ocz... ram was perfect
i am still learning the mobo....i dont have much time and its very complex to deal.....but has given me lots of fun....
for me its a good board that needs a bios update to become a terrific board
no flames plz......just giving my 2 cents based on my personal experience
regards
Maybe beta bios fixes your issue with D9's, like I have. CMOS clear boots on D9 maybe 4/10 tries after CMOS clear. Thanks very much to GSkill for giving me ram that never fails to boot and works just as well as my D9's!(well, ok, not really, but they do boot every time:lol2:)
bear in mind the vdimm defaults to 1.88 after a cmos reset. Best bet is a single stick of ram in the last or third slot for boot and adjustment of bios.
I have been running around 1.8 thru my cpu at 4.65 ghz on SS cooling with no issues.
off topic amd system manager locks my pc up if I try to change fsb up or down. I must be missing something, all drivers are installed. any ideas?..
regards
raja
smbios driver. And d9'd should boot @ 5-5-5-18 1.84v, AFAIK. they do in XBX and XBX2, for sure. P5WDH too, actually. Only RD600 gives me issues. Like even single stick does not work, all the time. depends on how long I reset CMOS for, really...quick power/reset, I can boot...full CMOS reset no go.