Forceware dx10 vista drivers 100.30 for G80

is this really true????? hmmmm if so hey u guys over @ crytek its time for a crysis CES demo... huh?

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

Just use the classic theme of Win2k for more performance.

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actually you are really trading off one loss of performance for another. Having a GPU dependent GUI means that CPU has less work to do, if you switch to old (software based) rendering then the CPU gets to do work. In a seance if you get DX10 card with decent Vista drivers the improvement of WDDM over XP drivers will/should equal XP performance even with GPU based GUI running in the back. The only reason why MS is saying expect such loss performance over XP due to mostly DX9 cards and not that good WDDM based drivers.

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Originally Posted by HaLDoL

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...howtopic=12468

The most anticipated driver ever has finally been released/leaked or what ever you may like to call it.
8800 Users can now rejoice in finally having support in Vista which is not even released yet.

32 bit: http://216.69.143.19/nvidia/100series/10030_vista.exe
64 bit: http://216.69.143.19/nvidia/100series/10030_vista64.exe

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OT:

It's been a while since i saw you here posting :toast:

Great to see you back;)

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Originally Posted by zbogorgon

with DX9 card 3DMarks in 32bit vista are lower, CPU tests was higher in my case, haven't tired with 8800 yet

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With me 3D mark01 was faster on 32Bit Vista and Super PI was lower

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Originally Posted by Syn.

actually you are really trading off one loss of performance for another. Having a GPU dependent GUI means that CPU has less work to do, if you switch to old (software based) rendering then the CPU gets to do work. In a seance if you get DX10 card with decent Vista drivers the improvement of WDDM over XP drivers will/should equal XP performance even with GPU based GUI running in the back. The only reason why MS is saying expect such loss performance over XP due to mostly DX9 cards and not that good WDDM based drivers.

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I guess you don't know what DX10 stands for, besides most people that invest in Vista and G80 have Dual Core by now but that's irrelevant.

now at least those complaining about the lack of drivers for the G80 and vista can shut up. I still don't have a "need" for vista. I hope DX10 gets back ported or something.

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

I guess you don't know what DX10 stands for, besides most people that invest in Vista and G80 have Dual Core by now but that's irrelevant.

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WTF?!

All i did was make fair point about how some part of your PC's resources will still be used no matter what type of GUI you use and all you say i dont know what DirectX v10.0 means?

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Originally Posted by LOE

it shouldnt be higher, remember 3d performance in vista is always aprox 30% lower than in XP, cause AERO is running all the time, even while playing games

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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT?!
Sorry lol but Vista is not 30% slower than XP at any 3d apps. And if it is then you really need to try reinstalling. I have noticed so many performance gains in Vista (except synthetic) that it's not even funny. Well it is :D but you know :)
And Aero has no effect on games at all... in fact it made the transition from desktop to game that much smoother

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Originally Posted by phi|os

If you can, bench Company of Heroes on Vista. I run rez 1920x1200, and in XP, with NOT everything quite turned up, I was lucky to get 15fps in the in-game benchmark. In Vista 64-bit, 1920x1200 EVERYTHING turned up, I get...wait for it...55 :banana::banana::banana::banana:in FPS!!!! Check my sig for hardware. You 8800 users should see some amazing things soon. And DX9 runs fine in Vista. No noticable performance, if any at all.

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I used to get 30 I think, now I get 65!!!

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Originally Posted by Syn.

WTF?!

All i did was make fair point about how some part of your PC's resources will still be used no matter what type of GUI you use and all you say i dont know what DirectX v10.0 means?

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A DX10 card doesn't depend on CPU as much a DX9 card, so I guess it won't feel that "Classic Theme" - even on old hardware you don't feel it, actually you get a small increase of performance instead, I doubt the actual hardware would have problems whit that, on the other hand Vista VE might eat a small percent of performance so by disabling it you should increase at least in theory (logical one) - just google a little, the net is full of articles on DX10. :)

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

A DX10 card doesn't depend on CPU as much a DX9 card, so I guess it won't feel that "Classic Theme" - even on old hardware you don't feel it, actually you get a small increase of performance instead, I doubt the actual hardware would have problems whit that, on the other hand Vista VE might eat a small percent of performance so by disabling it you should increase at least in theory (logical one) - just google a little, the net is full of articles on DX10. :)

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i have read every article relating to Vista/DX10 i even read the whole VistaSuperSite Review page by page.

When i said WDDM did YOU know what i meant by THAT. Because what are you saying is bit wrong there.

A DirectX v10 generation of graphics card is too fast for the current generation of CPU's and its bottlenecked by them. So yea DX10 card is defineatly more dependant on CPU then DX9 card because the CPU's of today can not keep with it.

Also DX10 as API is only part of the performance boost you get when you upgrade to Vista, thanks to its WDDM the hardware is handled much better and efficeny increases. So as i said if you have a DX10 Graphics Card with mature set of Vista drivers you wont feel any loss of performance over XP.

Isn't ATi drivers supposed to turn aero of when 3d-apps are ran? No-one stops nvidia for doing it also...

why would you want to turn off Aero once games started?!

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Originally Posted by HaLDoL

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...howtopic=12468

The most anticipated driver ever has finally been released/leaked or what ever you may like to call it.
8800 Users can now rejoice in finally having support in Vista which is not even released yet.

32 bit: http://216.69.143.19/nvidia/100series/10030_vista.exe
64 bit: http://216.69.143.19/nvidia/100series/10030_vista64.exe

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thanks , i will give it a try :toast:

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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

why would you want to turn off Aero once games started?!

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To stop it from taking resources?

I heard long ago (over a year) that when a full-screen app starts in Vista, lots of resurces are shut down.

Regardless, CoH performance jump is HUGE, and 3DMark06 is slightly higher, but this is from XP32 to Vista64, so maybe Vista32 performs even better in 3DMark06.

It seems DX10 code initialization is huge, but gives you access to so much more. I feel so close to the GPU.

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A DirectX v10 generation of graphics card is too fast for the current generation of CPU's and its bottlenecked by them. So yea DX10 card is defineatly more dependant on CPU then DX9 card because the CPU's of today can not keep with it.

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DX10 based applications will need more GPU (Graphic card) resources and less CPU, actually a big percent, normally a present High End CPU would still be to weak for a High End VGA (from the ones on market) but DX10 software + DX10 hardware should reduce Bottlenecks ( even to none ) at least in theory, I'm not talking about Duron or even some Sempron or Celeron - I'm talking about a decent CPU like E6300/E4300/ 3800+ (the lowest of Dual Core class) which combine whit a GF 8800 GTX shouldn't bottleneck and yet old speculation say they would like the one you count on. (if I believe that, even a X6800 OC'ed at 4.5Ghz shouldn't be enough :P)

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Originally Posted by LOE

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switching aero on and off everytime you play a game sux, MS should have made it to switch automatic

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coming to a service pack near you.. we can only hope. :)

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Originally Posted by jbizzler

I heard long ago (over a year) that when a full-screen app starts in Vista, lots of resurces are shut down.

Regardless, CoH performance jump is HUGE, and 3DMark06 is slightly higher, but this is from XP32 to Vista64, so maybe Vista32 performs even better in 3DMark06.

It seems DX10 code initialization is huge, but gives you access to so much more. I feel so close to the GPU.

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QFT

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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

why would you want to turn off Aero once games started?!

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Ummm let me see. so the bloody games run that tiny bit better, what did you think it would do?

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Originally Posted by safan80

now at least those complaining about the lack of drivers for the G80 and vista can shut up. I still don't have a "need" for vista. I hope DX10 gets back ported or something.

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Yes about bloody time to. I bought windows vista on the 30th of november and had to wait this long for a driver. seems fine so far.

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Originally Posted by jbizzler

I feel so close to the GPU.

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:D Hahah...so this works on RTM only?

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

DX10 based applications will need more GPU (Graphic card) resources and less CPU, actually a big percent, normally a present High End CPU would still be to weak for a High End VGA (from the ones on market) but DX10 software + DX10 hardware should reduce Bottlenecks ( even to none ) at least in theory, I'm not talking about Duron or even some Sempron or Celeron - I'm talking about a decent CPU like E6300/E4300/ 3800+ (the lowest of Dual Core class) which combine whit a GF 8800 GTX shouldn't bottleneck and yet old speculation say they would like the one you count on. (if I believe that, even a X6800 OC'ed at 4.5Ghz shouldn't be enough :P)

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ok, i completly lost the point your trying to make can you just tell me again what are you trying to prove?

Ok, tons of talking here, but could anybody finally do this on the same hardware:

3dmark01: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
3dmark05: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
also, offtopic:
Superpi32M: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
and Superpi1M as well, it doesn't take much time, does it? :D

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Originally Posted by mrlobber

Ok, tons of talking here, but could anybody finally do this on the same hardware:

3dmark01: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
3dmark05: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
also, offtopic:
Superpi32M: WinXP 32bit vs Vista 32bit
and Superpi1M as well, it doesn't take much time, does it? :D

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why not add winxp 64 vs vista 64 and XP 32bit vs vista 64 as well?

Anyone know what the 'Game Performance Tweaker' in Vista (Ultimate) does ?

My guess is that it would either pause or turn off any services that GFW (games for windows) don't need.

You can still use hardware profiles like in XP to to create a Gaming profile

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