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Orly? Perhaps you need to look at the 32mm sq die which is HUGE. http://systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-11.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Significantly isn't the right word, but yes, an updated version of the storm for quad and more cores could come in handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Lol, cant wait until this block releases and turns out to be a flat base with a few tunnels.
quite possible to build one to perform up to 10c better than the storm, in very specific applications.
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Originally Posted by STEvil
I wonder what the man has to say about this.
Any word from Cathar?
On the flip side and just for the hell of it, I will play Devil's advocate and say what if this does perform even remotely close to the claims?
I am eager to see the performance and what this has to offer.
This retard even says the pump you use wont matter. What a joke...
the only person capable of topping the maker of the Storm is the maker of the Storm himself...
Talk is cheap
Bullsh** baffles brains
Take your pick
The only thing I can think of...
That, either could beat the storm, and not matter on what type of pump you had... would be direct-die/direct-ihs WB.
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Originally Posted by nikhsub1
according to those, in real world perfomance, the 6002A would be about the same or slightly better. and thats at a very moderate 100W heatdump.
a dual core amd or conroe dump more than that when pushed hard with the volts upped.
think about kentsfield and amd's quadcore.
not to mention, since kentsfield is 2 dualcores in a single package. the center of the storms cooling area doesnt even have any die under it!
Rofl, look at his last two posts.
Grats to the dudes who've brought this thread up there.
5-10 degrees better than a storm? Close to ambient at all times? Sounds too good to be true. Maybe it is. Is he using some kinda' superconductive thermal paste? Is he eating his superconductive thermal paste? Enough outta' me. I'm willing to wait and see. I'm more than slightly sceptical though. LOL
Edit: Direct-Die/IHS? Thats an interesting concept. That sure seems like that would make things cooler.
I keep seeing people referencing how the space between the sets of cores on the kentsfeild hurt cooling ability of the storm..
I'm only going to say this once, so hopefully you guys will read it: If it hurts anything, it hurts by about 1 degree celcius.
This is because the space is small. This is because there is a heatspreader between the cores and the block. This is because the block also has distance between the water-copper contact area and the bottom of the block.
You guys seem to keep going on as if its a bare die and that the storm does not cover it all. Given current watercooling methodolgy when you get further from the die you lose cooling capability due to heat transfer and the distance it must travel. Certainly if that very minimal distance between the cores of the kentsfeild isnt going to hurt much, then the distance those cores extend past the main cooling jets of the storm are not going to hurt much either, if at all given the design of the block.
In fact, if anything, the space between the cores helps because this means the area of the block above this space creates more capacity to counter-act the capacity that may have been lost on the outer edges.
Nikhsub1 - note "specific applications" in previous post.
do you even own a storm?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
if you did, and were to open it up , you would see that the cooling area is far from small.
Ill take pics and measurements for just for you when I begin my prep on my parts.
He must be glad he didn't posted that crap here.. How i anyone going to blive him when what he is saying is impossible..
Edit: You can't keep it at ambient, as it is not posssible, and for that matter isn't a usefull method of descriping how it performs.. If a block is 30 degrees over ambient without a rad is it then a bad block? :slapass:
I doubt it's even possible to keep a heat source of 100w+ at near ambient unless you cool with something quite a bit below ambient. Heat just won't flow fast enough to prevent the temperature from rising without a big temperature difference.
And what about all this talk about beating storm? Any decent engineer would'nt mention names, he would say 'modern blocks' or something similar.
It's just a PR stunt to attract stupid kids with to much money. Sadly it'll probably work if he makes the outside look good no matter how it performs.
I've tried to follow this block's developement for a while now, and I have to say I was simultaniously excited and doubtful of North's claims about the block's performance. If it performs anywhere close to what he originally claimed, it will be revolutionary. Just because Cathar said he couldn't improve the Storm's performance by more than a degree or two, it doesn't mean that no other block can outperform the Storm by a significant margin. It would be logical and mature of us to reserve judgement until the waterblock has been hooked up to a testbed and put through its paces.
It would be mature if what he claimed made sense, but it doesn't.. As Andersson writes, you would need sub ambient water temps to do what he claims.. He's just plain stupid.. If he had claimed to had made a better block than storm, there wouldn't be as much scepticism, but he's claiming to break the laws of psysic..
Agreed. This is the most reasonable post in this thread. I too have been following the development of North's block, albeit with a bit of skepticism. He has flat out stated the design under the hood is totally different than any block on the market. However, he did say the design isn't new, just that no one has taken it as far as he is going to.Quote:
Originally Posted by oshox
I plan on picking one up as soon as they become available out of curiosity more than anything. This way I can see for myself if there are any advantages over the Storm G4. As I sit at this moment, the ambient air temp in my room is 24C and Core Temp says my CPU is at 26C, idle of course. This is with a bit of a voltage increase to run this FX-55 @ 3.0GHz. If his block can at least match this, then that will say alot. For one it will say that it performs at least as well as the Storm. And for two, it will say that the man exaggerated the expected performance of his design. The best thing to do is sit back and reserve judgement until it is released and some real world numbers are published.
heheheQuote:
Originally Posted by andersson.j
but don't forget it comes in many different colours and shapes :D :D :D :D
here is the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Quazi
who the hell reports idle temps that's stupid.........sorry mate but that's just misleading :slapass:
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Originally Posted by nikhsub1
wonder what design he's come up with that allows for "almost zero resistance" ? lawlQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris