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11-28-2006, 03:39 PM
red

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/...m_dualcore.jpg
Kuma has L3?
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=679375
Looks like the previously named Antares.
11-28-2006, 04:04 PM
doompc

Westsideplaya, the L3 cache, Kuma has it, Rana doens't.

Lightman, I spect a little more than just a die shrink, maybe the inclusion of SSE4 support, higher memory controller efficiency at lower memory frequency, (possibly un)official support for DDR2-1066.

Like the unfamous rev. D0 Winchester, it was basicaly an 130 to 90nm die shrink, but with some minor improvements, it's memory controller can un-oficialy work with 2 dual-bank dimms at DDR400 2T, an official feature of rev E.
11-28-2006, 04:47 PM
epion2985

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Originally Posted by MAS

how much money do you plan to spend?
If without limit - your choice is kent qx6700
it is much faster than 2xFX K8 when OCed

Isn't the qx6700 already out? You saying they will have better clocked versions by Feb or that this is the best thing for a while.
11-28-2006, 07:27 PM
Rickster_64

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Originally Posted by epion2985

This isn't really a matter of money so there is little reason to penny pinch and invest in outdated technology. Why get excited over multiple cores you ask? Why do you even ask?

So socket 1207 = socket F?

I will be buying in February 2007. Any big breaks by then from amd or intel?

I totally believe in multicores, as I am running one myself! It is that fact that they are not adding a lot of features "yet" and core speeds are not even upto the top of the ring with a new process. Those facts are what I am not excited for. I guess if ya look at how core to core 2 clocks have increased we can only hope the same happens with the new A64 cores. I guess we all will know next week!
11-29-2006, 02:53 AM
epion2985

I don't think the clocks ever get to where they potentially can be because its faster and cheaper to move on to a new technology that even when raw and undeveloped and un-perfected will yield much greater performance then the most perfected older tech.
11-29-2006, 04:20 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

what i have read is that a am3 cpu will work in a am3 , am2+, and a am2 motherboard

a am2+ cpu will work work in all three motherboards also

a am2 cpu will work only in a am2 motherboard

Umh no.

AM2 boards cannot use Quad-Cores because of different power routing in the socket.

For QC AMD will launch a new socket AM2+ which can use AM2 CPUs and QC , but it lacks HT3.0.

AM3 which will arrive somewhere in 2008 will have HT3.0 but will use only K8L based CPUs , that is a no for current AM2s.

Hope it clears things a little bit.
11-29-2006, 05:05 AM
Furen

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Umh no.

AM2 boards cannot use Quad-Cores because of different power routing in the socket.

For QC AMD will launch a new socket AM2+ which can use AM2 CPUs and QC , but it lacks HT3.0.

AM3 which will arrive somewhere in 2008 will have HT3.0 but will use only K8L based CPUs , that is a no for current AM2s.

Hope it clears things a little bit.

As I understand it, AM2+ motherboards will support current AM2 chips, future AM2+ chips AND AM3 chips. AM2 motherboards will only support current AM2 chips and future AM2+ chips (not sure about AM3, but this is possible, in theory). AM3 motherboards, due to the use of DDR3, will only support AM3 chips, but by the time this comes out most motherboards in the market should be either AM2+ or AM3.

HT is backwards compatible so that's a non-issue. HT3.0 is better because it has higher clocks (and, thus, bandwidth) but that's not an issue for the most part (until you deal with multi-socket). AM2+ will also have split power planes and, because of this, a better version of Cool'n'Quiet.
11-29-2006, 05:19 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Umh no.

AM2 boards cannot use Quad-Cores because of different power routing in the socket.

For QC AMD will launch a new socket AM2+ which can use AM2 CPUs and QC , but it lacks HT3.0.

AM3 which will arrive somewhere in 2008 will have HT3.0 but will use only K8L based CPUs , that is a no for current AM2s.

Hope it clears things a little bit.

link please

for what has been rolling around , this is not even close

you see where you messed up at ?

how can one have a different power routing and can not be used for qc , but runs dc , and yet we can go to am2+ motherboard with different power routing and htt3 but not ddr3 , that is reserved for am3
11-29-2006, 06:35 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Furen

As I understand it, AM2+ motherboards will support current AM2 chips, future AM2+ chips AND AM3 chips. AM2 motherboards will only support current AM2 chips and future AM2+ chips (not sure about AM3, but this is possible, in theory). AM3 motherboards, due to the use of DDR3, will only support AM3 chips, but by the time this comes out most motherboards in the market should be either AM2+ or AM3.

HT is backwards compatible so that's a non-issue. HT3.0 is better because it has higher clocks (and, thus, bandwidth) but that's not an issue for the most part (until you deal with multi-socket). AM2+ will also have split power planes and, because of this, a better version of Cool'n'Quiet.

There is no such thing as AM2+ chips.

You have K8 on AM2 and K8L on AM2+/AM3.
11-29-2006, 06:39 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

you see where you messed up at ?

how can one have a different power routing and can not be used for qc , but runs dc , and yet we can go to am2+ motherboard with different power routing and htt3 but not ddr3 , that is reserved for am3

Because AM2 doesn't support separate power planes for core and NB , while AM2+ supports both ( that is a single and separate power planes ).
11-29-2006, 06:47 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Because AM2 doesn't support separate power planes for core and NB , while AM2+ supports both ( that is a single and separate power planes ).

and since why would that stop a K8L cpu from working in a am2 socket when amd said that it would

the only thing that you would not have is seperate power plane control , big deal
11-29-2006, 06:51 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

There is no such thing as AM2+ chips.

You have K8 on AM2 and K8L on AM2+/AM3.

so then just how is amd going to label the cpu's so that people will know the difference?

K8L will also work on a am2 socket
11-29-2006, 06:56 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

and since why would that stop a K8L cpu from working in a am2 socket when amd said that it would

Where ?

Quote:

the only thing that you would not have is seperate power plane control , big deal

It is.
11-29-2006, 07:09 AM
doompc

AM2 CPUs will work on AM2+ boards too.
AM2+ CPUs will work on AM2, AM2+ and AM3 boards.
AM3 CPUs will only work in AM3 boards (DDR3 mem controller only).
It's unclear but future CPU with integrated GPU must use another socket.
11-29-2006, 07:44 AM
The Ghost

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Originally Posted by savantu

Where ?

It is.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3169

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-74...herboards.html

http://www.thetechguides.com/index.p...ask=view&id=54

AMD Confirms Quad-Core AM2 Processors

In a Q&A session with Henri Richard from AMD, DigiTimes.com learned that AMD does have plans for quad-core Socket AM2 processors, with the future release of K8L series chips.

We, on the other hand, because of our early adoption of HyperTransport, have a very solid socket strategy. The lifecycle of the current socket was well accepted and actually praised by the industry. We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible. So we have less churn in our infrastructure, and we're providing more stability. That actually has a very important effect on enterprise customers. They really like that approach.

now do you have any links that says that the K8l cpu will not work in K8 am2 socket?
11-29-2006, 07:46 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by doompc

AM2 CPUs will work on AM2+ boards too.
AM2+ CPUs will work on AM2, AM2+ and AM3 boards.
AM3 CPUs will only work in AM3 boards (DDR3 mem controller only).
It's unclear but future CPU with integrated GPU must use another socket.

the memory controller on all K8l cpu's support both ddr2 and ddr3 mempry
11-29-2006, 08:32 AM
Rickster_64

Does Brisbane bring about any physical changes to the core, or is it a simple die shrink? (if you can call a die shrink simple.)
11-29-2006, 08:41 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickster_64

Does Brisbane bring about any physical changes to the core, or is it a simple die shrink? (if you can call a die shrink simple.)

none that i know for sure , rumors is all , maybe sse4 , maybe improved memory controller
11-29-2006, 08:53 AM
Solarfall

where the hell they have such stubid code/core names
Agena, Kuma, Rana and Spica. o lord WHy..........:D
11-29-2006, 09:34 AM
Rickster_64

We need Jerry Sanders back, LOL.
11-29-2006, 10:02 AM
madcho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solarfall

where the hell they have such stubid code/core names
Agena, Kuma, Rana and Spica. o lord WHy..........:D

i think AMD is making the name code secret, HKEPC send this code names, whitch don't feel the AMD touch. I think the reals codes names are barcelona, shangai, budapest :fact:
11-29-2006, 10:09 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickster_64

We need Jerry Sanders back, LOL.

jerry was good , but i think that the company has come a long way since he left
11-29-2006, 11:07 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3169

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-74...herboards.html

http://www.thetechguides.com/index.p...ask=view&id=54

AMD Confirms Quad-Core AM2 Processors

In a Q&A session with Henri Richard from AMD, DigiTimes.com learned that AMD does have plans for quad-core Socket AM2 processors, with the future release of K8L series chips.

We, on the other hand, because of our early adoption of HyperTransport, have a very solid socket strategy. The lifecycle of the current socket was well accepted and actually praised by the industry. We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible. So we have less churn in our infrastructure, and we're providing more stability. That actually has a very important effect on enterprise customers. They really like that approach.

now do you have any links that says that the K8l cpu will not work in K8 am2 socket?

That was before socket AM2+ popped up.Things change...

As for sources , I live only on gossip and rumours... :P
11-29-2006, 11:28 AM
The Ghost

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

That was before socket AM2+ popped up.Things change...

As for sources , I live only on gossip and rumours... :P

no , nothing has changed except for the fact that L8L will not be going to ddr3 right away , that is why there is a socket called AM2+ , which will be a upgrade of HTT3 , AM3 will be HTT3 and DDR3

the cpu is backwards compatible from AM3 to a plain AM2 motherboard , the K8 is not compatible with a am2+ or am3 motherboard

the K8L cpu for AM2+ and AM3 motherboard is backwards compatible to the AM2 motherboard

i would even be interested in your gossip and rumors , even though we know that does not count
11-29-2006, 01:46 PM
pawl

hmmm. cant see the krudfather being launched with the older slow core and this brisbane being the new fast core. brisbane is a dumb die shrink with limitted oc potential.

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