Nvidia speeds up 80nm production schedule to beat ATI

im gonna have to wait and see on this one

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

Nope - to early for that :fact:

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i don't understand why (i'm not an engineer). if amd has cpu's working at 65n why can't amd engineer go over and help ati engineer get things going?

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Originally Posted by Qkjhfhaiguihfma

i don't understand why (i'm not an engineer). if amd has cpu's working at 65n why can't amd engineer go over and help ati engineer get things going?

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because chips are designed for specific manufacturing process.

ie. Intel couldnt take existing 130nm P4 deisng to an IBM fab and produce a working 130nm chip. Many things would need to be adjusted (a highlight of reasons includes SOI, copper, different geometries, different dopant/methods)

likewise, Intel cant just take existing set of 90nm masks and just make everything like 30% smaller and expect to have 65nm workout. It wouldn't work at all.

So what usually happens and what you hear about is while researchers and scientists are working on say 45nm and defining the optimal parameters, engineers will be designing the chip with those parameters in mind, with timeline such that the manufacturing process will be ready and up to good-yields by the time the chip is supposed to come to market.

(note: there are a few cases where there is fab "compatibility"... I recall something about like Chartered making Athlon chips.. ie calibrate machines to same standard of "optimal" parameters)

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

because chips are designed for specific manufacturing process.

ie. Intel couldnt take existing 130nm P4 deisng to an IBM fab and produce a working 130nm chip. Many things would need to be adjusted (a highlight of reasons includes SOI, copper, different geometries, different dopant/methods)

likewise, Intel cant just take existing set of 90nm masks and just make everything like 30% smaller and expect to have 65nm workout. It wouldn't work at all.

So what usually happens and what you hear about is while researchers and scientists are working on say 45nm and defining the optimal parameters, engineers will be designing the chip with those parameters in mind, with timeline such that the manufacturing process will be ready and up to good-yields by the time the chip is supposed to come to market.

(note: there are a few cases where there is fab "compatibility"... I recall something about like Chartered making Athlon chips.. ie calibrate machines to same standard of "optimal" parameters)

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thanks. your name is a moon of mars and that's cool btw

better than phobos, ganemede or charon -_-

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better than phobos, ganemede or charon -_-

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hey now, don't be hating on ganymede.

Nvidia is always 1 step ahead the competition. it has beaten the arch rival long time ago, but some of the people think differently. I put all my hopes over R600. Let's see what Dammit could do.

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Originally Posted by Metroid

Nvidia is always 1 step ahead the competition. it has beaten the arch rival long time ago, but some of the people think differently. I put all my hopes over R600. Let's see what Dammit could do.

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The delay in R5xx only allowed Nvidia to catch up after 9700/5800 fiasco.

But...DAAMIT will slow down production/distribution of non-server products from ATI.

Perkam

i feel like ati is going to do the same thing as last year and release its r600 and then the refresh for it within a few weeks of each other.

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Originally Posted by Revv23

i feel like ati is going to do the same thing as last year and release its r600 and then the refresh for it within a few weeks of each other.

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Won't happen. R600 will be around for a while before a refresh. It's going to be a tad more thought out than G80...seeing as G80 has been under NV's wings since Jan 06.

Perkam

That depends on the public request, whit the energy required to use them and the price on those things, I doubt that they'll create a Gold rush like they did whit the other generations, it's nice to know that they exist and the rich class will clear some stocks but that's all.

A good example from the real world, from the auto domain it's Ferrari and Lamborghini - they represent some of the most powerful cars for Sport, but the price and fuel consumption leave much to desire, not many people rush to buy those cars do they? :)

Ok maybe it's not the best example but it's a good comparison from a simple point a view if you know what I mean ;)