Thx for the info... looks good.
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Thx for the info... looks good.
link - this link is to Inquirer with news of K8L and 65nm K8 - title is: 'AMD quad cores: the whole story unfolded'
Oh man...I was hoping anti-hyperthreading was real. Making 4 3GHz Conroe-speed cores work as one core...sure you wouldn't have a true 12GHz of power; some would be lost, but you would be within the neighborhood of 10GHz or so I would imagine. Oh well, I knew it sounded too good to be true. And to the people who are criticizing my predictions, keep in mind that they're just pedictions. I have absolutely no clue how K8L will perform and neither does anyone else. I would assume that it would have a 15-20% increase simply because that's about the rate at which computer components increase in speed. Every year (just about) we get another 15-20% faster. And I'm sure AMD isn't going to even bother releasing something that can't perform at least on par with Conroe. I'm just assuming that they will release something that can outperform it by a decent margin. But this is all just SPECULATIVE.
I´m quite sure AMD will release whatever they can and have nomatter if it can beat C2D or not. I doubt K8L will beat C2D, but instead close the gab. K8L also gonna fight 45nm C2Ds and less than 1 year after K8L is introduced Core 3. Its more important for AMD to produce cheap chips for Dell etc than it is for them to have the performance crown. As it is right now, C2D is not only faster than anything AMD got, its also cheaper to produce than a P4D was. So hopefully we see K9/K10 soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardokk
What does the price of a C2D compared to a P4 have to do with AMD competeting with it? Your whole logic is flawed and should refrain from posting. Thanks. :wierd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
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Originally Posted by DuceGT
No, he does make some sense. overclockers/performance whores only make a very small % of AMD sales. Therefore its not as important to them to beat C2D outright as you may think..
at the end of the day, AMD makes their $$ from selling semprons cheaply in huge volumes, and from their opteron sales. Its not all about being top dog..although having bragging rights are an advantage.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi
That's the reason why they are willing to give the first couple million CPU to Dell for free, on top of marketing dollar rebates, just to get into the Dell business.
BTW, there's nothing really new from the presentation slides. Perhaps more detail will be out during IDF later this month. No one really have more information about AMD besides Intel, and vice versa.
Rev.H will be insane. i think Rev.G will be good enough for a nice performance boost (if they do add a fourth complex decoder and that OOO stuff) but Rev.H sounds like another 3-4 steps ahead.
antiHT..
in russia we say:
no smoke without a fire ;)
I hope it won`t be to expensive:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
AMD can react and make changes to it's chips much faster than Intel can; with the exception of a die shrink of course.
If anyone thinks that AMD only cares about supplying Dell with cheap chips, you're sadly mistaken.
Not that my opinion counts, but from what I've seen, the K8L will surpass C2D in performance.
I hope AMD will do the same to Barcelona as they did when introducing Dual coreQuote:
Originally Posted by galimim
Also prices range from 300$ and up:toast:
Slides and pictures impress me NOT.
I need to see NUMBERS. BENCHMARKS.
Call me shrewed, but this is a game for KEEPS. Not for ALMOST.
FWIW: expect K8L to be roughly on par (+/- 5% at same clock) with Conroe on integer workloads, but for FP workloads it should beat Conroe soundly at the same clock. I'd expect the dual core versions to work with AM2, but I'd be suprised if the QC versions could work on socket AM2, they'd probably draw too much power hence socket AM3/HT3 intro. at end of 2007.
Barcelona(QUAD CORE) willl work as well since they will be produced at 65 nm, which means that AMD will able to ship them in 89 power envelope just as the dual cores today:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by mesyn191
Here is a qoute from an interview with Phil Hester from hardocp.com where he tells Barcelona will keep the same power envelope
Here is a graphical slide from Amd pointing that outQuote:
IPC and Power Envelope
When talking to both Phil and Pat, we got some interesting answers about advancements in Instructions Per Clock with the Barcelona Pat Conway said that we will see a “performance improvement of 150% over the next two years that will be within the same power envelope.” If you take into account that you can back off frequency and add more cores, some of this can be achieved now if you are counting IPC across all cores. (See below how simply pulling back on frequency by as little as 16% can have a huge impact on power draw.) Intel is bound by the same principles as well.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image....BfMV8xX2wuZ2lm
I remeber seeing that K8L is going to be drawing as much power as the FX series.
~Mike
Look at this site
http://www.ixbt.com/editorial/amd-gu...nf-part2.shtml
If you scroll down you will notice that the Amd slides tell that Barcelona will use the same Power as a Opteron 200 dual core:toast:
here is another link of the K8L , looks like the desktop version gets put back a little for the release of the server one
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/93934/am...computing.html
AMD outlines its quad-core computing 7:18PM
AMD has been revealing details of its technology roadmap, specifically what lies ahead with quad-core computing.
Scheduled to appear in the first half of 2007 - first for servers, but then rolled out across AMD desktop and laptop offerings - this will be the next step for AMD multi-core processing.
AMD does not care about high end users or overclockers, not that that matters -- we are all @ intel now.
I do not see how or why AMD is going to change anything, they are selling lots of AM2 stuff and none of it is any faster than 939, let alone conroe! :slap:
If I was a gamer on a limited budget(and no 939) I would buy AM2, because it is cheaper than C2D and it will save me $$ to spend on video cards :)
AMD + crossfire or SLI is faster in 05/06 than conroe and single VGA :)
Speak for yourself :p: I for one am NOT going intel, I won't support them and their business practices.Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Sure they sell alot of AM2 stuff now, but if they got something faster than C2D then they could sell even more stuff.Quote:
I do not see how or why AMD is going to change anything, they are selling lots of AM2 stuff and none of it is any faster than 939, let alone conroe! :slap:
Exactly, that is why I thought everyone going to C2D for their gaming but not changing GPUs was almost wasteful because the performance increase in a game was minimal. Games are more GPU limited.Quote:
If I was a gamer on a limited budget(and no 939) I would buy AM2, because it is cheaper than C2D and it will save me $$ to spend on video cards :)
AMD + crossfire or SLI is faster in 05/06 than conroe and single VGA :)
Sooner than...
Teroedni, arisythila: they're referring to TDP in those numbers... expect something along the lines of the issues with Conroe and the D975XBX mobo where rev. 304 had to be used to run Conroe just due to some minor spec changes in the way it used power.
me have rev h eng sample us irish are lucky what can we say
cant say mu ch about it until releas but its everything these guys say it is in a good way never though 4 cores wou d make such a difference you usa guys are so going to flip the am2 users are going to start loving this
its is better to be green then blue when this junk comes out its better then irish sex the cony is history
please forgive my language im forin
You only got the quad core? I already got the double octacore Rev. H with 64Mb L3 Zram. sub 1 second Pi 1m.
and how long until we see mainstream software showing up for these quadcores?