ASUS First 965C2 Motherboard P5B-E FSB 500

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09-02-2006, 11:00 AM
Gautam

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Lets see if you can still do it 1:1 4-4-4. ;) It's MUCH harder. Don't forget, I can pull 13:4x at 3-3-3 1:1...if I was able to use the updividers, then yes, I think I could pull 13:05-13:10...but this is on 975 of course. Once again try 1:1 4-4-4 yourself for a direct comparison, and you should understand my confusion. 13:5x 1:1 4-4-4 makes sense for 13:0x at 2:3 4-4-4. BIG gap in those two dividers.

Also, it seems like maybe the 965 loses its edge at high FSB?

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/P5B-E/P5BE-6600-2.JPG
09-02-2006, 11:40 AM
Vric

Damn.. the P5B is already phased out.. P5B-s is exactly the same board, but this time they have made the Raid correctly..

Replacing a board in less than 6 weeks. I think it's a first.

grr....
09-02-2006, 11:51 AM
Richard Dower

How long before C2 stepping boards start to make it to retail?
09-02-2006, 11:55 AM
Richard Dower

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

ASUS P5B-E will use New 965C2 and the price will be between DS3 and S3.

Can i ask you to take a screen shot of the Intel RAID bios?...has it been updated at all?
09-02-2006, 01:57 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by boostedevo

High 13m I can understand because I did it (9x400 2:3 5-5-5) on a P5B Dlx, but I don't get these ~13m 10s...even at 9x400 2:3 4-4-4 it's still not even close, so 1:1 4-4-4 is a mile slower. If it could hold the 333 strap and clock up to 400 from there, it probably would, but it starts crapping out around 360-370FSB so it's either gotta be 2:3 or boot at 400FSB, which is definitely looser on the NB.

Andre, how come all your Graphics come up as 1x AGP in CPU-Z? I've been seeing that on your screenies for a week or so now and I was wondering what was up? Thanks for showing the C2...I'll be real curious how high it clocks :)

AGP 1X because I Use PCI VGA Card to test CPU and mobo.

The memory voltage is only 2.1V. I cannot be oc so higher. I must wait ASUS to get me new bios.
09-02-2006, 02:01 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by Gautam

Is 965 really faster than 975 clock-for-clock, or is it just me? :eek: Most peoples' 965 times seem very slow, how are you getting yours so fast?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1156634558

I don't think 965 chip is slower than 975X.

I use win2003 sever, so Super PI is faster than winxp.
09-02-2006, 02:12 PM
Gautam

I'm using Windows 2003 Server (Enterprise Edition) as well. If I don't change memory timings using Memset, I score about 14:10 at these clocks, whereas you hit 13:54. 965 looks a lot faster to me, unless Asus gives more memory options for 975 in the future.
09-02-2006, 02:18 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by Gautam

I'm using Windows 2003 Server (Enterprise Edition) as well. If I don't change memory timings using Memset, I score about 14:10 at these clocks, whereas you hit 13:54. 965 looks a lot faster to me, unless Asus gives more memory options for 975 in the future.

I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.

I didn't change memory timings using Memset on 965 chip because Memset always cannot support 965chip. I always use BIOS to tweak memory timming for my 965 mobo.
09-02-2006, 02:49 PM
Millyons

Andre is there any speed difference between thce c1 and c2
09-02-2006, 02:51 PM
Gautam

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.

Looking forward to this result. Thanks.
09-02-2006, 03:02 PM
sierra_bound

If SuperPi is your thing, then 975X is the way to go. If overclocking RAM or the FSB is your thing, 965 is probably a better choice. On my P5B Dlx, I've managed to run my Corsairs at 600MHz with 4-4-3 timings. Not many unmodded 975X boards can do that.

I don't run 3DMark anymore, but I do run Cinebench. Rendering performance with 965 chipset seems as good, if not a little better than 975X, clock for clock.

These are just my findings. YMMV.
09-02-2006, 03:04 PM
Gautam

SuperPi is never my thing, no matter how hard I try. :( :p: As for the 600MHz 4-4-3, I don't think ANY 975X can do that, 965 4-4-4, but tRP 3 seems like a first. :up:
09-02-2006, 03:12 PM
sierra_bound

A couple of other people have done DDR2-1200 @ 4-4-3. You definitely need good sticks.
09-02-2006, 03:14 PM
Lestat

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.

I didn't change memory timings using Memset on 965 chip because Memset always cannot support 965chip. I always use BIOS to tweak memory timming for my 965 mobo.

memset supports 965 100% and has for god way over a month now.

Felix has posted another beta the other day
try it andre.
09-02-2006, 03:18 PM
AndreYang

975X is still faster than 965 chip.

I use 975X to test Conroe 3.6G again.

3.6G DDR2 800 4-4-4-4

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-1.JPG

3.6G DDR2 800 3-3-3-4

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-2.JPG

3.6G DDR2 1000 4-4-3-4

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-3.JPG
09-02-2006, 03:20 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by Lestat

memset supports 965 100% and has for god way over a month now.

Felix has posted another beta the other day
try it andre.

It has many bugs. If you use 965 memset, you will see CPUZ memory is error.
09-02-2006, 03:21 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by Millyons

Andre is there any speed difference between thce c1 and c2

It's the same speed.
09-02-2006, 03:54 PM
Ronnie

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Originally Posted by cliffy

Any ideas on European release date???

same question... :p:
09-02-2006, 05:22 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

same question... :p:

It will be available after 3 weeks.
09-02-2006, 05:44 PM
Evilsizer

what about US release any chance they have a timeframe for us?
09-02-2006, 05:52 PM
Brahmzy

In my limited testing, I found that out of 4 SuperPi runs on both platforms the P5W beat the P5B D by just a bit. Like an average of 4-5 seconds on 8M Pi runs. Same clocks, timings, everything.

Maybe the C2 stepping will improve that.
09-02-2006, 05:55 PM
Supertim0r

vmods soon ? ;)
09-02-2006, 06:03 PM
HKPolice

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/P5B-E/965C2.JPG

I don't get it, it says it's been fixed already on C1?
09-02-2006, 06:10 PM
Gautam

Thanks very much for the tests as always. :)

I feel much more in line now.

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

975X is still faster than 965 chip.

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-2.JPG

http://mysite.verizon.net/gautamb/36031.JPG

Still strange why my 4-4-4 result is slow. :shrug:
09-02-2006, 07:51 PM
Lestat

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Originally Posted by AndreYang

It has many bugs. If you use 965 memset, you will see CPUZ memory is error.

andre NO man i thought you of all people knew this.

Felix said over a month how to make it work properly.
and it works 100% for me everytime.

when you use Memset DO NOT HIT EXIT!!! YOU MUST HIT THE X BUTTON IN THE UPPER CORNER.

i cant believe you missed that he said this like a dozen times already. and i been telling people the same things.

now use memset silly ;) :P

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