Gigabyte DS3 :HIdden Advanced Chipset Features (NOT Ctrl+F1)

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08-23-2006, 06:59 AM
Lestat

not sure if anyone said this or not,,

ok i just deleted what i said as i was way off base, kind of.

here is what the Intel 965 Chipset PDF says

Quote:

Note: As HECI is an internal device in the GMCH, the INTA# pin is
implemented as an INTA# message to the ICH8.

so.... looks like the HECI is going to have a direct relationship on the Northbridge.

so has anyone tested disabling those settings and then checked for stability. and such.

interesting that those settings would even show up... Alot of the HECI talk in the PDF is all memory mapping, so its hard to say what the true nature of HECI is without having someone who knows ALOT about the intel chipsets.

*EDIT*

further reading is indicating that the HECI is a host controller, which directly interacts with DMA and the processor.
There is talk about power states of DMA devices, memory mapping of DMA devices and other things of that nature.

this could be some sort of power state setting, which probably wouldnt have any effect on system stability when certain power saving features arent being used. S1/S3 mode ? C1/EIST ?

hard to say..

but interesting that it shows up when the fan controls are set a certain way
08-23-2006, 07:09 AM
d@rkn1ko

don't work for me :(
08-23-2006, 07:31 AM
b0bd0le

Quote:

Bus Master Enable (BME): This bit controls the HECI host
controller's ability to act as a system memory master for data
transfers.
0 = Disable. HECI is blocked from generating MSI to the host
processor.
1 = Enable

Quote:

9.1.9 HECI_MBAR—HECI MMIO Base Address
B/D/F/Type: 0/3/0/PCI
Address Offset: 10–17h
Default Value: 0000000000000004h
Access: RO, R/W
Size: 64 bits
This register allocates space for the HECI memory-mapped registers defined in Section
1.3.7.
Bit Access &
Default
Description
63:4 R/W
00000000
0000000h
Base Address (BA): This field provides the base address of register
memory space.
3 RO
0b
Prefetchable (PF): This bit indicates that this range is not prefetchable
2:1 RO
10b
Type (TP): This field indicates that this range can be mapped
anywhere in 64-bit address space. Note that the (G)MCH only uses
bits 35:4 of the base address field as the (G)MCH only decodes FSB
address bits 35:4.
0 RO
0b
Resource Type Indicator (RTE): This bit indicates a request for
register memory space.

1.3.7 Graphics Features (Intel® 82Q965, 82Q963, 82G965
GMCH)
The GMCH provides an integrated graphics device (IGD) delivering cost competitive
3D, 2D and video capabilities. The GMCH contains an extensive set of instructions for
3D operations, 2D operations, motion compensation, overlay, and display control. The
GMCH’s video engines support video conferencing and other video applications. The
GMCH uses a UMA configuration with up to 256 MB of DVMT for graphics memory. The
GMCH also has the capability to support external graphics accelerators via the PCI
Express* Graphics (PEG) port but cannot work concurrently with the integrated
graphics device. High bandwidth access to data is provided through the system
memory port.
08-23-2006, 09:17 AM
Lestat

yeah the HECI does way more than just deal with video.

read more of the PDF

BUT you just brought up a valid point

it may not be there because the board isnt using onboard video... so they removed it.

but again odd tha the temp. settings would show..
08-24-2006, 07:10 AM
ZachSaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah the HECI does way more than just deal with video.

read more of the PDF

BUT you just brought up a valid point

it may not be there because the board isnt using onboard video... so they removed it.

but again odd tha the temp. settings would show..

Someone could probably email gigabyte and request for this feature. It'll be good to know MCH temp. I'm using a probe from multimeter to measure it now. And I could only measure the heatsink, not the chip itself.
08-24-2006, 10:58 AM
CrazyJohn

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)
08-24-2006, 02:13 PM
ZachSaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyJohn

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)

Have you touched the zalman on your GPU? I bet you feel it's not hot as well, but the core might be touching 70C. One thing I realised with such fan-styled heatsink is that the fins don't feel hot, but the base is actually pretty hot. So the MCH temp is still very useful.

Just from my personal experience, my GPU reaches 70C (extreme OC with voltmod on 7300GT Zalman Edition) and yet the heatsink only feels moderately warm. And yes, the heatsink is sitting perfectly on top of the core.

I remember there's a guy in one of these threads who is in direct contact with Gigabyte. We can ask him to add this feature request to Gigabyte. With that, I think Speedfan or any monitoring software can access in Windows as well. That'll be good.
08-24-2006, 02:30 PM
ZachSaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyJohn

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)

BTW, is yours the fan-styled one or the squarish one? Is it hard to fit it in there? It's probably harder in my case, coz I've got a Gigabyte G-Power heatsink which covers the NB partially. But one thing good about that is, it helps to cool the sides of the CPU too -- MOSFETs and NB. I have a 40mm fan on it, and another old P3 fan on top of that (not directly on top, rather, beside it so that it cools my ram a bit too). I manage to get the NB down to 42C idle, 47C load. That's with ambient of 29C. Have you tried probing it?
08-25-2006, 05:57 PM
RacerX

I noticed I needed to clear cmos then only make the change that Tony suggested and the hidden chipset feature will appear. Works like a charm.
08-28-2006, 02:01 PM
Fred_Pohl

I also had to clear the CMOS to get the hidden features to show up but after I made some changes and saved them, the hidden features were gone and don't come back without clearing the CMOS again. Monitoring those temps is very desireable but not if I have to clear the CMOS after every reboot to get to them.

What I found VERY disturbing is that my MCH temp was 63C like Tony's was in his SS. This was at stock settings, stock TIM removed and replaced with AS-C with a 50mm fan on the NB heatsink. That seems rather hot IMO.
08-28-2006, 02:52 PM
The_Hardstylez

This works too with bios F3 :)
08-28-2006, 06:07 PM
IluvIntel

I have not enabled "Intel QSI" in cpu fan bios submenu. I'm using bios F4d with my DQ6 mobo and I can easily access Advanced chipset timings menu for DDR2 with "Ctl + F1"
08-28-2006, 07:07 PM
Lestat

we are not talking about DDR II timings that has nothing to do with this thread.. the ddr II timings are the standard features when hitting ctrl-F1
O_o
08-28-2006, 07:28 PM
ZachSaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

I also had to clear the CMOS to get the hidden features to show up but after I made some changes and saved them, the hidden features were gone and don't come back without clearing the CMOS again. Monitoring those temps is very desireable but not if I have to clear the CMOS after every reboot to get to them.

What I found VERY disturbing is that my MCH temp was 63C like Tony's was in his SS. This was at stock settings, stock TIM removed and replaced with AS-C with a 50mm fan on the NB heatsink. That seems rather hot IMO.

Mine too. But I don't think it should be any concern because I tried to stop the fan I mounted on top of it and the temp didn't change at all. Don't think it's a working feature at all.
08-28-2006, 09:02 PM
Fred_Pohl

I hope you're right but I have a few concerns:

1) There is another screen shot in this thread showing 46C MCH.

2) When I removed my NB HS and TIM, the HS base was very poorly finished but I didn't lap it since I didn't even know if the mobo worked yet.

3) The push pins don't seem to apply enough pressure to ensure good contact, IMO
08-28-2006, 11:06 PM
CrazyJohn

it's not fair! :(
it's not working for me! :) damn ;/ F5C and F4E tried
08-28-2006, 11:28 PM
IluvIntel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

we are not talking about DDR II timings that has nothing to do with this thread.. the ddr II timings are the standard features when hitting ctrl-F1
O_o

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:
08-28-2006, 11:57 PM
CrazyJohn

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvIntel

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:

we ARE talking about HIDDEN FEATURES in DS3 MB.

Ctrl+F1 settings are hidden, but they're not what we are discussing here.

read the 1st post again and you'll notice it's not about timings but aboutr MCH Temp, and two enabled unknown functions - these functions are hidden on DS3 and appear only sometimes
08-30-2006, 08:38 AM
jorisleem

is there a solution already?
09-10-2006, 06:56 AM
schriss

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvIntel

I can easily access Advanced chipset timings menu for DDR2 with "Ctl + F1"

I can't. Tried with 3 different bios versions.
CTRL+F1 adds mem timings and other options for example SMART, numlock on/off etc. But not the Advanced Chipset menu.
09-10-2006, 08:51 AM
Lestat

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvIntel

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:

this entire thread is about 1 setting.. 1 hidden setting that is a bug in the bios that happens to show up randomly for a couple of bios's.

memory timings are not it and if you had read anything in this thread you would have known this..

the advance chipset featres that are hidden and not accessable have nothing to do with ram or ram timings.

again maybe if you had actually read the thread instead of running right to the end of the thread and posting something that has nothing to do with what this entire thread is about you would know memory timings are not what we are talking about.

@schris

IluvIntel is not correctly wording what he is doing, he isnt going to advance chipset features. he is going to the overclocking menu that we aLL have ..

stop trying to mess with the "Advanced chipset" HIDDEN menu becuase i am pretty sure gigabyte has totally removed it from being found.
i was never able to get it to work. and i definately cant make it work now with the F6a bios.
09-30-2006, 01:42 PM
WiCKeD

I had it working on the F3.

I flashed back to F3, it started working again. I flashed to F6 and the setting was only retained temporarily. As soon as the board reset it was gone again.

Also, I compared the temp using my JPac thermal probe. Temp was within 2-3 degrees of the bios reading and judging by my placement of the temp sensor, I would say the motherboard reported readings are dead on.

The push pins on the stock northbridge cooler do not provide enough pressure so my stock heatsink was running at 75 degrees! It was running at 55 degrees on another board where I did not replace the thermal pad. Putting a Zalman on the heatsink dropped the temps to around 50 degrees and ~40 with any sort of air flow.
10-01-2006, 04:33 AM
iViper

Nice Find. Must have a fiddle.
10-02-2006, 09:00 AM
ClockCatcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCKeD

Also, I compared the temp using my JPac thermal probe. Temp was within 2-3 degrees of the bios reading and judging by my placement of the temp sensor, I would say the motherboard reported readings are dead on.

So I should trust temp readings from BIOS/EasyTune/SpeedDan than CoreTemp?
10-02-2006, 11:13 AM
Lestat

i use speedfan and only that

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