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Why the hell is Intel discussion doing in AMD forum?
I don't give a crap about DDR3. I'm not going to use DDR3. :rolleyes: I aready thought of that. The performance I have now alone will last me years. But do I care about performance? NO! I don't care what conroe can do or will do in the furture. I aready desided. I don't like intel chipsets I don't like conroes features I don't like intel boards. Thats it and I'm not going to change my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
I will have a AMD chip a DFI mobo a ATi chipset and DX10 high end card and DDR2 for the next few years and I'm done upgradeing for awile only for major arc upgrades to the cpu or gpu. I don't care how long I have to wait. Performance isn't everything. Only the experionce you get with what you like or what your a fan of and the features you have. I aready have all I want and need at the moment. The bigger picture is how you think of it. Doesn't matter to me what conroe or quadro will or can do. I felt no difference from it when I used a conroe in the real world or on games with a E6700 rig compared to my AM2 rig. Was very disappointing. Only a intel fan would get a big kick out of it.
The truth is I felt no difference, load times where horrable but it did play the games exactly like my comp did. So I never saw anything to say wow over. Its just a nice bencher to show off with and the 1st ever non failure intel finally made well good for them. Just because they make one cpu you all act like its the end of the world for AMD and conroe is god. lol Thats funny. Well AMD is doing just fine matching conroe with price per performance. AMD's are like 100 bucks cheaper and perform in that sence equally. A 150 buck dual core sure does make a big difference when its 100 bucks appart from a E6300 with only a 10% difference so don't give me some conore garbage. Why are you even in the AMD forms to begin with? You all must just love to find ppl like me to conflict with so you can have lovely comments like this. :D
Look it will be like this forever. Conroe will last for 6 months then AMD makes some thing to beat it. 4x4. Then intel comes back with a counter. ANd beats AMD. 6 months later. AMD beat intel, and so on and so forth. The rivally will never end. Guess how this was like when the athlon was beat by the P4's. Then the A64's beat the P4's then the PD's beat the single cores, then the X2's beat the PD's then the conroes beat the AMD's again. Will be AMD's turn then intels then amds until the end of time. DO you ppl quit. :stick: :slap: :slapass: Why does everybody act like this every time this happens. Its childish. Good for you you have the best CPU in the world for afew months congrats. :toast: We are happy for you. If you can see the difference then good for you. There is more to a system then just performance. If you think 10% is going to do something for you a AMD can't do aready.
It won't make a difference since my monitor can't support 150FPS nor your eyes or any monitor 60FPS at best. GPU's only matter. All a CPU does for you is take load off. AND AMD's don't have that bottle neck problem since there is no FSB to limit it. *Shrugs* But I guess you go with whatever floats your boad. I'm just all for AMD and thats me. So what thats my prob. I don't give a crap what intel has. Until they can make some decent chipsets and support a few CPU lines for afew years that doesn't cost 200 bucks, Intel mobos are way over priced and only the expencive ones OC decently that support conroe. Sorry but I won't go for those kind of features or prices.
No mobo will support conroe and quadro unless you can show me one that can do 1333 FSB. Show me a MATX ATi mobo with good features and can actouly OC like a ATX board at a decent price and I'll think about it. =P Wait... intel doesn't have those things. lol Oh well I won't live with a inferior system cus conroe is god. :rolleyes: Did everybody go gaga over a cpu like this before? In the athlon vs P4 days. Or Dual core days in the previous gen. I never have and never will. I like the performance increase 2 CPU's give in the feel but its only a CPU geeze "act like it gives you powers or something"... just some ppl. *Shakes head* It really isn't that exciting as its cracked upto be. Just nice for intel and their ppl to have a decent cpu that can match AMD for once for a afew months. Good compitition. Try to out perform somebody with a P2 opteron system thats OCed and tell me how good your conroe is agenst that. lol Gives you a taste on how powerful 4x4 is with direct connection arcs.
We may need 2 cpus to out perform 1 but it isn't by much. Act like its some huge difference or something benching is so over rated. Can't feel a difference in anything. A conroe can install windows in 5 to 15 mins. Oh well my AMD can too whats new? My AMD can load a game in afew secs... Conore can't but performs the same atleast I can't feel any difference in gameplay. FPS Aready past the limit the human eye can keep up with or a LCD screen supports. The GPU is all that matters. Just to get 10 or 30 extra FPS when you aready are at 150... quite useless. This debate can go on forever. But I'm not the one who cares... go to somebody who does.
Would be intresting to see real world benches agenst a intel and AMD see how many extra sec's windows loads exc. Like it will make a difference since it takes about 5 or 10 secs for my comp to load windows aready. How many secs will I get with conroe? 2 3 5. does it make a difference if its speeds like that aready we are talking about. Yeah guess not unless you really think thats along time and expect your comp to load up in nano secs or something. =P Is the difference even worth it... again, NO. Is 100 bucks more for a cpu worth it to get 2 or 3 secs faster into windows. NO. lol Do I ever shut up. NO. :woot:
I know they are great. Just hope they can get rid of the 280HTT wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillusion
I 2nd that!Quote:
Originally Posted by fakhrain
Serge your reply Above 2nd from top is the reason I went off topic . I know you don't care . AS you said you don't care about the performance differance. Which puts you in the majority. Most people feel the same as you do. That is exactly why Intel /AMD it really doesn't matter to most people. Its more about $$$$. That is why being Intel user as myself or AMD user such as you . It doesn't matter. The majority will buy whats the best general usage cpu they can get for the min. $ . I agree the X2 3800 has great value for the $$.
The thing you and I and everyone else needs to remember is that China is a player also. The Godson 3 (Dragon 3) is a remarkable achievement by China in a very short time. I like Intel and Conroe is a cool name . I really not to Keen on AMD but X2 is a cool name also. I like that kind of thing .
But you know whats really cool is when someone ask what you got in your BOX(PC) ? You reply not much just a Dragon . That is so freaken cool that alone makes me want one. When China makes these available outside of China I will buy one. As will 100's of millions of people because it will be cheap. many will buy just because its not a USA product. In the end America will pay a heavy cost for outsourcing American tech and importing cheap un educated migrant workers. What goes around comes around . In the end American corporate greed will be their undoing. In the end the pacific rim will have auto's and electronics . Europe will have France lol and the middle east the oil. What America will have is 2 things . The 2 things I love the most . The Worlds largest fresh water supply and the Worlds largest food producer. I would say things are looking good. If people are willing to pay $80 a barrel for oil do to supply constraints. What will they pay for a bussel of corn when Food is is short supply. As an American I love Competition . Of course this is knowing that we americans Have the 2 resources that make the World go around . Water to quinch thurst and bread to stay off hunger. It is a vicious circle as you said above. I really don't care who makes the best CPU or TV Car Boat or GPU. What I do care about is maybe not in my lifetime but my grand kids will be living in a country that can feed its people. Bottom line. So AMD INTEL who truely really gives a rats ass.
Thats why I went OT. Intel fan-boy AMD fan-boy doesn't matter. Godson (Dragon) cpu's will be a big player in the near future.(Around K8L time frame) . No it won't be as powerful as K8L or Conroe . I for one am probably going to become a Dragon fan-boy. Not because of great performance but because of the ideas that are behind the dragon cpu. In the next 4 years everthing about present hardware will change drastickly. I believe the DRAGON CPU will be at the forefront of Tech. change. I really like the idea of competition and the Dragon will be true competition. A true threat to american tech. If that doesn't light a fire under some corporate asses nothing will. Innovation spirited by true competition. At a fair price.
I do have a question for you tho. Why do you believe that 4X4 is such a great thing. You do know that intel has the greencreek chipset do you not. Or more simply put its own 4x4 if they choose to make that a desktop. As it is its a workstation chipset. I really don't understand this 4x4 thing at all. DP is not new its rather old. Now I do understand the hyperlink . But I am also aware Intels tigerton . What angry's me is the limited info on the Dragon . The dragon cpu really has me hyped up. Time shall reveal all. Yes this is OT but Everywere I read about CONROE . AMD fans say wait till K8L comes out in Jan. 07 LOL. I say wait till Dragon can actually compete with Intel/AMD. With the ruling against Rambus today . The whole picture has changed. Intellectual property is a joke . AMD stoled X86 from intel and the us government sided with AMD. So I see no reason why dragon can't steal it also as the US courts have already said its ok. To steal this properties in a prior court case and that sets precedence. Besides the government in China isn't bound by any laws but their own.
One other thing that really bothers me about your not caring about a few seconds in time. In the performance differances in cpu's . Really ties my OT perfectly in place in your thread. Ya I went to Cars trains and planes in my post . No denial here the OT was outrageous.
But is whats really outrageous to me is your blatant bantering about not careing about a few seconds in performance in a thread you started about an O/C 3800 @ an unstable 3.0ghz. Like if you don't care about a few seconds why the O/C @ unstable speeds. Ya I like to talk and talk and talk also . I have 4 pc's here . My wifes Conroe gamer . My Dothan Gamer . My daughters workstation. and this PC here the one in my sig.
For what it is its a remarkably fast PC. No its not as fast as the conroe gamer or the dothan gamer . Its a very fast old tech PC that runs 24/7 at the modest O/C . But this is why I like it so very much . PAT is enabled @ highest memory performance . I can also run this thing when I bench at FSB 224 with pat enabled full performance(It is not 24/7 stable with the memory running this tight and fast.. I don't know anyone else who has achieved this. I am sure some have but very very very few. This to me is a big achievement. Not for intel not for corsair. But for me. Yes I am using memory V. boster but its not stock I did Mod it . But its the only modded part on this PC.
shut up gawd.
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Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Couldn't take the hint the first time? :confused:
EDIT: Your post is so rediculous that the whole thing needs to be quoted in someone's sig....
[QUOTE=DrJay]:mad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Couldn't take the hint the first time? :confused:
EDIT: Your post is so rediculous that the whole thing needs to be quoted in someone's sig....[/QUOT
I am just playing around having fun .
Here's a Serge post from [H]
The only difference it will be to is the intel ppl. Me I have AM2 at dual core 2.8ghz and I can't feel one bit of performance difference in the REAL world. Conroe is just made to bench. It does everything a AMD does... well only for performance, doesn't have all the features AMD's have so stick with your AMD. You can live without conroe. I think its just hype to waist money. Right now I'm looking forward to keeping my mobo for the next 3 years for real. The only real upgrade with me will be 65nm, and K8L. Thats pretty cheap but atleast I won't be needing to upgrade much anymore. Just like to max my comp out with next gen stuff. All I need is another gig of ram and a DX10 high end card (IM waiting for) then no more upgradeing for me for awile atleast whole system wise my thing after K8L will last me up until 2010 Or until a new arc comes out like K10.
I'm only doing major cpu upgrades from now on that actouly make a 100% difference. 65nm is sipose to do 40% so if it does I'll goto that besides it will be really cheap and be nice since it will OC better then 90nm. Then K8L more for the features but it should have noticable performance differences mostly if I go 4 cores with it. Then I'd be set for awile.
But I don't think I quite found the board I want yet. I think I'll go with a DFI ATi matx when it comes out. Would have gotten it but it hasn't come out yet so I went with a Biostar for now cus I also like this board. But my final board will be the DFI because it will perform the best and has all the features I would ever want in a board.
AMD isn't really needing to combat conroe. AM2 aready is better in the sence that its so upgradeable even 3 years down the road. Saves alot of money and time. Has better chipsets and features so I'm happy or will be happy with the DFI infinity. Wish it would come out aready. The 1st real mATX board with every feature a ATX board has I always wanted finally.
Here's Another serge post from [H]
The feel of my rig OCed to 2.67Ghz AM2 X2. To a E6700 at stock speed in the real world... well I couldn't really tell the difference at the store. I thought these Duo2's where sipose to be 40% faster? Feels like only 10% to me. Seems like over hype. And I payed 150 bucks for my cpu.
In benchmarks conroe rules. But I guess this stuff now adays is just too fast to even tell the difference in the real world. My games are so fast. All I need is a major GPU upgrade and I'll be fine. Waiting for DX10 GPUs. Kind of dissapointed I couldn't tell the difference from my rig to a demo E6700 gaming rig. Was expecting more from that.
Now read the first post from this thread.
Now can you really blame me for playing around in this thread . I mean come on FUD begets Fud. Is this not true? He seems like a good kid . Thats bantering so I thought I would banter back. The differance is He was bantering about a rockstable 3.0GHZ 3800 at stock V . I am bantering using a red herring. Now if you know the meaning of bantering and red herring you should plainly see its all meant in fun . Just because were bored to death.
The main thing I can plainly see here is that your first post in this thread was a deliberate attempt to crap on it. If you have a problem with Serge because of something that happened in another forum, please take it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Look, I'm no mod and maybe I should just mind my own business but this really needs to be pointed out: You started off topic (yes, everyone knows Conroe is faster) and when it was pointed out to you, you come back with an even more OT post.....the most off the wall post I've seen in a long time.
Please, can we just leave Serge's thread un-crappified and talk about AM2 overclocking?
God damn it..... I was all into this post until you started to post about meaningless crap... I wanted to see how the Tforce did... but you thread :banana::banana::banana::banana: all over everything, now this thread is SH*T! I REPEAT SH*T! MOTHER F*CKER!
GET THE F*CK OUT!
Im talking about all you thread sh*tters..
Edit: I've sat back long enough, Im tired of it.. Im tired of people :banana::banana::banana::banana:ting all over our threads.... Something needs to happen.
I am sorry you feel that way. I have no problems with Serge at all . Fact is he is entertaining as all hell. He or I do nor resort to cussing in threads. As many immature people do. But I have a problem with A few things he states.
1). He passes the chipset limit of 280. More like he went buy the O/C limit of the CPU. As I can link to few reviews that show this limit. Than he goes on to say 3.0 ghz is possiable with minor volt increase and even suggest 3.5 GHZ is in the realm of poosiabe. Now this is pure fud.
2) After my first post which was not a post crap. He goes on to say that AMD is more feature rich than Intel and says that its more future proof with is more fud.
a.) New M/B required to go from DDR to DDR2. New M/B required to go from DDR2 to DDr3.
Here is a link that shows the New RD600 chipset . Notice on second page were it states a new M/B is required to use DDR3.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/93..._ie/index.html
So if anything AMD is as bad if not worse in the area of upgrade ability.
AMD is fully aware that new M/B is required to use DDR3 but they never ever mention it. The CPU may be DDR3 ready on K8L but new M/B is still required.
We all know Intel cpu's are in constant flux when it comes to Chipsets and new memory . Intel adopts these new memory platforms early on .While AMD sets back and waits till things mature. If Intel did the same thing we wouldn't be pushing forward we would be in a state of lets everyone wait and see.
If you can't see that your head is stuck in more than sand.
Now having said this . Until we see Bench marks of serge's wonder chip . I suggest He post 3Dmark 06 benchies . as this one requires that in order to complete test . CPU test must be completed. Than we can see if its even stable enough to complete this test.
Check out the ORB 3dmark 05 vs. 3Dmark o6 . Many systems that pasted 3D mark o5 cann't complete the test at same O/C's
From what I have reasearched 2.7 on the 3800 is really pushing Stability to the limit and has little to do with any thing holding the 3800 back other than the 3800 is just plain at its limits with air cooling.
So ya you say I thread crapped I say I called the thread fud and added my own Fud of this I am guility.
I agree the 3800 is a great value for the money. But its not equal to the 6300 Conroe in value or Performance. I no this is the AMD side of the forum and I may have upset. a few kids. But many of these threads can be googled and this kind of fud from serge is just plain fud. So XS is not the only ones affected by such fud.
Can you imagine some kid readying that some O/C at extreme said 3.5 is a doable O/C with the 3800 . I am sorry that is just plain ass wrong. It can also lead to some kid being very disappointed about spending what little money he has on 3800 to try and achieve an O/C that is not stable period.
I don't see the other XS o/c here saying that some off their very excellant O/C are 24/7 stable. I would very much like to see what the max O/C some of the guru's here can achieve. With this 3800 chip . The top O/Cers here are way more honest about what they do to achieve these O/C's .
Ya I am sorry you feel my first post was a thread crap. It wasn't at all . I merely pointed out what ever AMD has to offer as far as value and performance is surpassed by Conroe. If thats a thread crap . I call shines.
Latter on I did thread crap . But only after Serge added more FUD to an already fud thread. You didn't see Serge reply using cussing as a red herring . In fact Serge stayed in the spirit of things by using bantering. I give him credit for that. As a last resort many children will resort to name calling as a defense. But Serge nor I use these. So yes i went OT and used red herring and bantering as a thread crap. Just as many debaters do inorder to drive home a point.
Point is the 3800 is a great value but it has a CPU threshold . AT around 2.7. Before it becomes unstable. That has little to do with the memory or chipset used. The Conroe 6300 offers way better performance for about $60 more in cost compared to an AM2 X2 3800.
The new AMD fan-boy defense of gaming performance is Who uses 1024x768 for gaming . The ans is for casual playing I use Hi res. When I want to kick ass I dropp to 1024x768.
Many say anything above 30-60 frames a second is not visual more fud.
If your play single player ya I agree. . But most people enjoy online first person shooters. with 50 players. I like playing BHD online and I like to keep my fps @ 260 0r higher. It makes a huge differance that I can easily see.
Hows that well if I am gaming at 250+fps and an oppenient is running at 100 frames a second What do I see I see them lagging. Lag is a huge online easy to see performance disadvantage.
For instance A player is running around a building corner and I see the player before he even gets to the corner because he lags . I can take a shot at the lag ghost player or I can wait for the real player to round the corner.
So people saying anything above 60fps isn't noticeable is pure FUD . You see it as lag. Now learning how to play agaist a lagging openant thats all in player skills . But to say its not visual to you above 60 fps is an out and out lie. I think more reviews done real world as Kyle @ [H] says is pure BS. Kyle should test online gaming than at Hi res. Can't get more real world than that. If he uses a res that will limit his FPS I would frag his ass to hell and beyond.I would also talk to him durring game play calling him a lagger and what not to further frustate his futile attempt of high res online gaming. Real world indeed . These review sites have got to quite sucking up to the companies who's products they test and stop lieing to the public.
So yep I went OT or did I ? ANything above 60fps is useless that is fud and a lie. I suppose there are a few players out their that play with themselves a lot. But real world to me and millions of others out their is online gaming and Max FPS is visable in the form of lag.
Shut up. you are either slow or you don't know what GTFO means.
Your right i am slow compared to a genius such as yourself and no i don't know what gtfo means . do you know what stfui means
Nobody wants you in this thread, you started :banana::banana::banana::banana: in it when you started to talk about conroe and how arrogant the OP is and that he will learn from his mistake of buying am2. GTFO please. Now you're talking about completely irrelevant :banana::banana::banana::banana:, the thread is about a tforce and x2 3800+ ok? GTFO, GET THE :banana::banana::banana::banana: OUT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Perfectly said.... I just cant believe that these people come in here and nut all over your thread like this. I want to build a HTPC, this mainboard will be perfect for it... but it sucks that people come here and do this kind of thing, because it doesnt come to par with "conroe". :banana::banana::banana::banana: conroe, if i cared about conroe i'd go to the intel forum...Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
~Mike
*shoots Turtle 1*
thread crappers will be shot on site
please, let us resume our original topic of discussion, this gentleman's 3800+ x2 OC on a TForce 6100 AM2.
Personally, I'm likin the looks of this... hopefully it bodes well for even newer 3800s OCability, especially as i *should* be building a 3800x2 rig in the next few weeks, or so i hope.
lets keep this clean and get back on track guys.
What is the max voltage on the Tforce? I've been buying the Asus M2NPV-VM's and they seem to work very well.. but thier voltage only goes up to 1.9v which is kinda low.
~Mike
1.85v I think, that's really high for 90nm tech..... Unless you mean vdimm, then I don't know about the am2.Quote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
IIRC, the max bios setting for Vdimm is 2.0. I think Serge is using a modded bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=109855
Its about time I got this to post. The bios is very unforgiving. This CPU can do alot more but its BIO's is bloody HTT limited and its driving me crazy. This is only on 1.45v. Biostar hurry up and fix the bios issues. I had to skip 10HTT just for it to work normal over the HTT wall of 280HTT. Some HTT work others don't like 285HTT works but nothing else above it besides 290HTT. Very strange issues.
Yes I am useing a moded bios. But the Tforce has a 2.2v Vdimm jumper on the board relyent on the Powersupply. If I had a OCZ powersupply I could overvolt it to go as far as I wanted atleast upto 3v with a powersupply like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJay
Some do that. And the voltage for the bios vcore is from the moded bios too. It comes to around almost 2v. For a A64, thats pretty high for the vcore and a EE model to take. If I had a spare cpu and some water cooling you'd see 3.5ghz from this chip. lol
Sorry I ment memory voltage... :-( 1.9v on the Asus board.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
~Mike
AND why is intel descussion still going on in AMD thrend god bloody damn hell conroe mates? Give it a rest. This is about my Tforce and X2 3800+ and not conroe. If I wanted to talk about conroe I'd get one and be in a intel thrend.
I'll challange somebody when I get a 4x4 and another X2 3800+ then we'll see whos CPU's are better. Mahahahaha. I may need 2 but it will be more then enough. For now this is about a bloody Tforce and AMD only stuff. =P Get out of here with your intel cpu's and intel ways. We don't want any.
Amen
What kind of benchmarks do you all want to see with this baby? I'm still trying to tweek it. But I don't think I'll get past that 280HTT wall and have it stable until a new bios comes out that fixes the issue and the moders get a new moded bios up. Anything over 280HTT is unstable even at a 5x or 4x multiplier. This bios doesn't like 280HTT. But some older bios will allow higher HTT's. Just don't have all the cool extras that the moders give ya.
I need to take some pics of my board.