Fantastic effort PcCI2iminal in doing these test runs :clap: :clap: :clap:
So now i must order a DS3/6300 and a P5WDH/6600 to get the best of both worlds then :banana: :banana: . Anyway great reading as always PcCI2iminal :woot:
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Fantastic effort PcCI2iminal in doing these test runs :clap: :clap: :clap:
So now i must order a DS3/6300 and a P5WDH/6600 to get the best of both worlds then :banana: :banana: . Anyway great reading as always PcCI2iminal :woot:
Thanks for taking all the time to do these very helpful benchies!!
i will comment cuz i had both of these boards and only have one remaining.
unlike some here who have neither and yet boast and brag about the hardware.
DS3 all the way boys and girls
make no mistake about it.
the p5w is STILLLLLL limited to 400mhz fSB on a 9x multi or high, the same as the gigabyte, the abit the dfi all of them
i have yet to see anyone mod the gigabyte yet though but when they do i may have mine moded.
unless you NEED xfire then dont even come near the P5W.
its worth no more than the gigabyte. but your still baying $100 more for it.
you have to mod the hell out of the P5W DH to make it worth 250 bucks and by that time you've spent $300. not to mentoin another $50 for proper cooling. and voided the warranty
the DS3 is by leaps and bounds a better board.
ALL of the issues it has thus far are totally surrounding the bios and can be fixed with 1 simple update. and none of those issues stop the board from performing or reaching 400mhz fsb with a 6600 or higher.
again unless you NEED xfire avoid the asus like the plague. its not any better than all the other crap asus has put out over the years.
the DS3 is NOT geared to the 6300/6400 its geared to whatever chip you want to throw on it. but like i just said a 9x multi or above is going to puke out at 400mzh JUST LIKE all the other NONMODDED 975/965 boards so why the frick pay another $100 when it takes another $100 to make it run right.
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Yeah it seems that around ~3.6 GHz is the practical limit of the CPU with typical air cooling . Though it seems some have been able to push this with mods and other tricks like you say.
So really the FSB is not the issue like everyone wants to think. Its probably CPU limited because those lower multipiers are still able to hit ~3.6 Ghz too.
Now thing about this experiment (and thank you PC Criminal) is that it doesn't tell us max performance of the boards themselves. I think someone else speculated that while the DS3 can clock higher with e6300/e6400 it (or the 965p) has more latency which would account for this clock for clock difference.
Lestat - with all due respect - you have been bashing Asus for quiet a while now. I can understand your dissappointment because of problems that you have had with your Asus board - but at this point it appears that you are on a mission to bash Asus as often as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I am questioning what your motive is at this point.
his points are valid....not bashfulQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
you need to buy an E6700 to be able to OC to decent speeds..............worst case scenario with DS3 is 450MHz FSB lol
the most impressive thing i see here : 3,6ghz e6600 with STOCK cooler ?
is that true ? is that stable ?
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Originally Posted by dinos22
I agree that he makes "some" valid points - but without the Asus bashing - they would come across much stronger - but back to topic please.
as for me its worth to buy P5WDH. the bundle inside at least cost about 50bucks like remote + wifiAP etc.. plus u got Xfire ready and very nice looking Mobo.
400FSB is more than enough for daily use PC
Lestat
i can not boot up at 400 x 9with DS3(water or air),my best is 390 and i need to push it with clockgen
for 8x i can boot up at 430
P5W had bad and good reviews but mine does 425 x 9 at start
for me DS3 is very strong for fsb and P5W for clocking
its very hard to get,my best clock is around 4100mhz but for benching i just can do 3.9ghz(with the same cooling Asus does 4100mhz for benching)Quote:
you need to buy an E6700 to be able to OC to decent speeds..............worst case scenario with DS3 is 450MHz FSB lol
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9746/pifinaldz3.jpgQuote:
the most impressive thing i see here : 3,6ghz e6600 with STOCK cooler ?is that true ? is that stable ?
its stable for benching
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Originally Posted by mikeguava
:woot: nice clock man!!
can you push with lower multi?
455 x 9
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2...zconroegv4.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=106886
511 x 8
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6...zconroeuv9.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=106888
Very interesting find PC CI2minal :clap: . You seem to have got exactly the opposite results that I got :shrug:
I ran each benchmark 2 times to ensure consistency, and the best score was included for each. I'm pretty sure my results are accurate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Pi on the DS3 was ran 3 times because i smelt a rat, but it was way behing the ASUS.
Pics back up btw :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108077
i just maked this comparo cz i can`t understand why you people(Allandale guys) got amazing fsb(boot up) with DS3,i can boot up at 430 but its not 100% stable(sometimes i got resets or black screen)my guess is Allandale runs better with DS3 and you show us with your comparo.Quote:
Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
Can you try cold booting at 450 x 7? I'm having no problems doing that. Quite a few members with allendales are cold booting at 465 MHz+ , although my mobo seems to be stuck at 450.
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Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.
its a problem for me ....8x runs better than 7x :confused:
8x>7x>6x>9x
These results really indicate that when running full load on both cores you become limited by fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal
the RAM is running at different speedsQuote:
Originally Posted by elmor
PcCI2iminal have you or anyone else tried 6600 on DS3 with single stage/dice/ln2? I wonder if it has the same problem with 9x
Hmm, do you think a Scythe Ninja would be able to go on the gigabyte board and still have room to get a northbridge chipset cooler on there??
is the same latency for both rigs ( 4-4-4-8 )but DS3 shows 4-4-4-9Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:thumbsup:Quote:
These results really indicate that when running full load on both cores you become limited by fsb.
just ice water and still hard to get 400 x 9Quote:
PcCI2iminal have you or anyone else tried 6600 on DS3 with single stage/dice/ln2? I wonder if it has the same problem with 9x
dice soon
i can`t fit BT or Ninja with CM Blue IceQuote:
Hmm, do you think a Scythe Ninja would be able to go on the gigabyte board and still have room to get a northbridge chipset cooler on there??
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7866/blueice1ei3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1945/blueice2kj5.jpg
HR-01 + Blue Ice
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8...icehr01sz9.jpg
P5W DH Deluxe isn't bad at all:
http://pics.pajper.net/32@450.jpg
http://pics.pajper.net/460@1M.jpg
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Originally Posted by NiCKE^
460 for 1mb is not bad...is amazing
congrats
Well, after reading I still don't regret ordering the DS3. I want to see how MSI and DFI do with the 975/RD600/590 boards anyways.
Good stuff PcCI2iminal, thanks for the work and posting that up.
Based on what I've seen from all over the net, the 975 is simply a bit faster, while the 965 clocks a bit better. Seems like an obvious trade off in latencies so the trend makes sense.
Thanks again....good work:toast:
I want to see the MSI P965 board. Really think its perfromance is great.