Conroe vs. Allendale - 4 MB vs. 2 MB cache - Superpi comparison

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

I want Every possible frame I can get when playing games.

people always make these kinda posts... more versus less cache, low latency versus high latency, 1T versus 2T, more ram versus less, XT vs XTX...

people forget, a PC is a whole machine.
neuter enough parts, and dont be suprised if a person with a "slower PC" can play games better then your "faster" PC...

it all adds up.
cas 3-3-3 here, 1T there, 4 meg cache here, XTX there... 3% differences x 4 = 12% rough guess...

but you get the idea.
it may not be the biggest difference one would hope for, but its enough to where some people like me, would pay for it, cause when in the middle of a game, the last thing I want... is that $40 I saved on my Ram or something... making the game just slow enough to be annoying.

but honestly...
when it comes to conroes and allendales... the real selling point should be the multiplier, and how serious you want to be about overclocking that CPU.
if you want a 4 ghz conroe... your better off with the 10 multiplier, then 7 or 8.

interesting post however.
tons of information gatherd.

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I pretty much agree with this post 100%. However, budget and income bring me back to reality and I have to realize I can't have everything.

That being said I have to look at how exactly to spend my money best when making upgrades and I do a TON of research and contemplating before I do. I have my e6400 preordered and I feel I made the right choice. I know my system won't be the fastest or breaking any records as much as I would love it to, but in my situation I can spend $250 on an e6400 and $350 on an x1900xt vs. 350 on a e6600 and 250 on an x1900gt because in this scenario, nad for my primary usage the preformance differenct between the video cards is MUCH larger than the performance difference between the processors.

This is one of those arguments that just comes down to the individual, If I had a little bit more money, sure the e6600 is the obvious upgrade. But when performance hinges on a budget that money may be better spent somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by misteroadster

which m/b yotomeczek ?
I've done same time about with the gigabyte DS3 with 3380Mhz.

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BadAxe 304
The same fsb and timings??
I have 2x256 too ...

one for the chard.......conroe 32m @4g
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=106314

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lol there keep mine t2700

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Hi donnie . I really think donnie you should go for the 10X multipier. Ya i know its your money. But hindsight can be an ugly thing sometimes. Also donnie I wish you could wait for more M/B's to be released befor you jump onboard. I know you demand value for your $$ . But sometimes waiting a little while can be very rewarding. Now after saying that . My wife and myself are very happy with the bad ass M/B . But for my Kentsfield I really believe that the RD600 is worth the wait. ( I may even go with the 4core woodcrest just not enough info now to make a sound decision.)

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Yea, I'm waiting on something better because IMHO, the crap is overpriced. I mean come on the $142 Gigabyte board looks like your run of the mill $89. It desn't even come with a backet USB bracket sheesh! Did the forget what in the hell Budget means? There's also NO frackin' reason there are $265 mobos and the lack of complianing kind of worries me. Since I know you go for "Bang-for-buck, where's the out cry? Keep in mind that Gigabyte used a different pin layout USB or at least they use to.

I got word that the so called enthusiast board from ATI will start at $275. Over the last year, Motherboard makers have seen that we're going to pay them anything they charge us. Now there's no turning back. Now I'm wishing I didn't buy Intel only RAM.

I was mostly wondering why the SuperPi results were so different compare to the results made by e.g Anandtech etc. It was a pretty big difference (not that many seconds though, but for SuperPi it's much).

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SuperPi 1MB
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Conroe @ 4ghz: 12,85 s
Allendale @ 4ghz: 14,47 s

Conroe @ 3ghz: 17,13 s
Allendale @ 3 ghz: 19.29 s

Difference: Conroe 12.6% faster


SuperPi 32MB
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Conroe @ 4ghz: 13m 02.40 s
Allendale @ 4ghz: 17m 21.00 s

Conroe @ 3ghz: 17m 23.04 s
Allendale @ 3 ghz: 23m 07.80 s

Difference: Conroe 33.1% faster

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I know someone mentioned that the CPUs had different steppings but I don't think there is a such a big difference anyway. I looked around some more results and it looks like most of the results are +-1 sec in 1 MB Pi than my estimate.

However, the average advantage of Conroe was 2.2% (very little imo), but in my tests I got 12.6% in 1 MB Pi and 33.1% in 32MB Pi. Can someone explain this? How does SuperPi work and how comes the extra cache affects SuperPi more than other apps? I know SuperPi isn't like browsing with IE or playing games but still...

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E6600 35.11$/multi 25% more expensive than E6400 and 34.62% than E6300
E6400 28.00$/multi 7.69% more expensive than E6300 but 20% cheaper than E6600
E6300 26.00$/multi -, 7.12% cheaper than E6400

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If you buy E6300 you will get the main thing with the C2D: The new Core, but adding a few more bucks for an extra multi in E6400 is a good choice if you OC I think. Paying $30 ~ per mutli or less is acceptable for a budget build I think, but on the E6600 you would pay $90 more ($90 - $30 (multiplier cost) = $60. Means you pay $60 for extra 2 MB cache. I think this is up to you if you can afford that _or_ if you think it's worth paying that. But if the results are correct, buying Allendale instead of Conroe won't make your computer much slower (if you will see any difference at all).

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Hi donnie . I really think donnie you should go for the 10X multipier. Ya i know its your money. But hindsight can be an ugly thing sometimes. Also donnie I wish you could wait for more M/B's to be released befor you jump onboard. I know you demand value for your $$ . But sometimes waiting a little while can be very rewarding. Now after saying that . My wife and myself are very happy with the bad ass M/B . But for my Kentsfield I really believe that the RD600 is worth the wait. ( I may even go with the 4core woodcrest just not enough info now to make a sound decision.)

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I cancelled my E6600 pre order. Very depressed right now.