max FSB with P5W DH ever achieved?

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Why do these "individuals" keep believing that you can buy a cheaper C2D and OC it to the more expensive ones and get the same performance? In the illustration that Sierra_Bound posted you can clearly see diminishing returns OC a E6300 to 3 GHz+ when Super PI is ran. Why can't people think? It's far better to get a higher clocked C2D (meaning paying a little more) then buy a cheaper one then get pissy when you can't OC the FSB 450 and up:slapass: :slapass: :slap:
To be honest you be lucky to get over 400 FSB in some cases. Most of you looking for a board that does 450+ FSB need to stop and think. Like most cars with a speedometer of 200+ doesn't mean you will achieve that level of performance. So, to know that a MB can actual produce a number of 450+ for the FSB in no way means you will achieve it for 24/7, stable operation. If you are trying to do it just to screen shot (w/o accurate, proper documentation of why you are posting it) just makes you a poser and gives false information about what that particular board and CPU can do under partical conditions. Some of you here are gamers anyway and, how pissed you will be when you system reboots everytime you load up CS:S. So lets be real about this. Most of you looking to oc your CPU to 450, etc need to just buy an E6700 or save your money until you can afford an X6800 and be happy for once in your life.

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is 450x9 on phase with E6600 expecting too much?

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Originally Posted by AndrewZorn

is 450x9 on phase with E6600 expecting too much?

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If you can afford phase cooling you can also afford E6700 or X6800 :slapass:

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

If you can afford phase cooling you can also afford E6700 or X6800 :slapass:

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one would think so
long story short
the phaser cost me next to nothing
not like, next to nothing for phase, but actually like next to nothing. just consider it free, or pretend i already had it

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Originally Posted by AndrewZorn

one would think so
long story short
the phaser cost me next to nothing
not like, next to nothing for phase, but actually like next to nothing. just consider it free, or pretend i already had it

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That's no excuse...

how is it no excuse? i COULD afford the phase because it was so cheap. i can NOT (or, WILL not) spend $200 more just to get 10x.

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how is it no excuse? i COULD afford the phase because it was so cheap. i can NOT (or, WILL not) spend $200 more just to get 10x.

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srsly, Does this matter then? Trying to stretch this board and $150 RAM to 450FSB is going to be difficult. Just become a pro at overclocking ;) or be patient and wait until reviews and more boards come out.

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Originally Posted by AndrewZorn

is 450x9 on phase with E6600 expecting too much?

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Possible if you get lucky on the motherboard and if you realise that even a good board might need some active cooling on northbridge (I'm not sure if going subzero will help keep that part of the mobo cool).
The chips aren't the problem really its the mobo's and 450fsb is way way beyond the initial 266spec, and when you add volts to the NB it gets hot and overclocking becomes unstable.
So when people say you maybe should go for the 10x multiplier I'd have to agree, with phase cooling your mobo may become a issue way before your chip.

Edit: I know you can afford the extra $200 as I can see your specs.

...again, it might seem that way, but I can't (and will not) pay for the E6700. Thanks for the input though. Might have to just pack the phaser away for the next build or something.

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

That's no excuse...

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Why should he have to excuse himself to you exactly?

depends if you get lucky or not. If you get a good board and chip then maybe.. luck of the draw tbh

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Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.

Well...have you missed his pi times on the gigabyte? at 3.4 GHz at 480 MHz on the RAM with 4-4-4-x, he should be well under 16 seconds.

High NB latencys my mate thinks. Sub 19 secs can be done with 2.8 odd GHz.

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Nope, this is an allendale, not a conroe. Remember the Conroe (4MB) has twice as much cache as the allendale (2MB). The Allendale generally gets 1-2+ secs slower than a conroe clock for clock.

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Originally Posted by cupholder2.0

Nope, this is an allendale, not a conroe. Remember the Conroe (4MB) has twice as much cache as the allendale (2MB). The Allendale generally gets 1-2+ secs slower than a conroe clock for clock.

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Mate, I also have an Allendale and break 19 secs under 2.9 GHz.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...allenpi_10.jpg

You'd think at 500 MHz more it would easily be sub 17 seconds, maybe sub 16.

Just a thought.

Well then you may have a point. I just hope this board clocks well and is a good performer.

I sure would love to see some Rosetta benchmarks on an Allendale!

I would like 520+ for an E6700 :D

This motherboard thing is getting me crazy... DS3 looks good only with low multi CPUs... and I dont trust Gigabyte at all very bad experience with them..

A couple questions:

1. Are the E6300 and E6400 really Allendale or does CPU-Z just read it that way?

2. The ASUS site says tune FSB from 200 to 400 at 1MHz increments. Here, the P5W DH has gone well beyond 400MHz. Do you have to mod the board to do that, or is it easily setable?

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Originally Posted by jbizzler

A couple questions:

1. Are the E6300 and E6400 really Allendale or does CPU-Z just read it that way?

2. The ASUS site says tune FSB from 200 to 400 at 1MHz increments. Here, the P5W DH has gone well beyond 400MHz. Do you have to mod the board to do that, or is it easily setable?

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1. Yes they are allendale, have 2mb of cache vs. 4mb for conroe.

2. Asus might have altered bios to go beyond 400mhz, but I don't know anything.

Saying buyin the more expensive chips is a good idea is a load of rubbish.

There is NO reason to pay for a E6700 or X6800!

Have you seen how poorly they are clocking?? some E6600 are clocking better with a 430FSB!

now 215GBP for a E6600 or 411GBP for a E6700 ????? - this is a no brainer in my opinion!

Asus board costs a premium price and should deliver premium performance! 422 FSB is NOT premium perfomance to me to be honest. the ammount of problems they are having too, is a joke.

this is like the Opteron vs the Fx60 again. THERE IS NO POINT IN A X6800! unless ur subzero!

E6600 are clocking 3.75ghz 19 hours prime stable! - go check what andreyangs X6800 is doing. Exactly the same! except it cost him 782GBP rather than 215GBP, if he paid for it at all.

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Originally Posted by Pandamonia

Saying buyin the more expensive chips is a good idea is a load of rubbish.

There is NO reason to pay for a E6700 or X6800!

Have you seen how poorly they are clocking?? some E6600 are clocking better with a 430FSB!

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Your comparing Retail vs Step 5 ES.. :stick: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pandamonia

Saying buyin the more expensive chips is a good idea is a load of rubbish.

There is NO reason to pay for a E6700 or X6800!

Have you seen how poorly they are clocking?? some E6600 are clocking better with a 430FSB!

now 215GBP for a E6600 or 411GBP for a E6700 ????? - this is a no brainer in my opinion!

Asus board costs a premium price and should deliver premium performance! 422 FSB is NOT premium perfomance to me to be honest. the ammount of problems they are having too, is a joke.

this is like the Opteron vs the Fx60 again. THERE IS NO POINT IN A X6800! unless ur subzero!

E6600 are clocking 3.75ghz 19 hours prime stable! - go check what andreyangs X6800 is doing. Exactly the same! except it cost him 782GBP rather than 215GBP, if he paid for it at all.

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Playing Devils Advocate for a minute - the Asus board is rated to run at 266 FSB, anything over that is a bonus and is not guaranteed. Whilst I'm sure Asus probably would honour RMAs for boards returned for no other reason than "it doesn't overclock enough", it's not a World apart from buying a normal car and complaining when it doesn't go as fast as a Ferrari.

What we all get when we overclock - be it Intel chips or Asus motherboards, or anything else, is luck of the draw and nothing more. I must admit I find it odd when people start suggesting that Intels retail chips aren't that hot, people complaining about "only" being able to overclock by 1Ghz. Really, frankly, if it does the rated speed then Intel have met their product quality obligations in full.

Like I said, just playing Devils Advocate :)

Well this thread went a little offtopic.
I dont see the problem here. I dont care how much a board costs as long as I can afford it. Performance and overclockability are the things I look at.
So it depends on what you want.
I personally would have no problems in buying a cheap Gigabyte board if i had an X6800, because I wont need a 500FSB then.

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Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.

Well...have you missed his pi times on the gigabyte? at 3.4 GHz at 480 MHz on the RAM with 4-4-4-x, he should be well under 16 seconds.

High NB latencys my mate thinks. Sub 19 secs can be done with 2.8 odd GHz.

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I've missed this post , and i've proven you're wrong now :stick:.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/16.5.JPG

Moreover there's other good results with the DS3 , Sonic done 501FSB without mod and some other are between 480/500.

yes...you proved me wrong...my bad :p:

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intel have to make chips that overclock well. alot of revenue is made from this.

saying they do stock speed is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:!

why make a Xtreme edition CPU? with an unlocked multi.

Overclocking is big business! cpu makers and mobo makers alike!

if your cpu and boards dont clock well. you WILL lose sales and revenue.

so saying we shud be happy with stock because thats what they are designed to is bull :banana::banana::banana::banana:. plain and simple.

Especialy from the Asus which is a Premium Board at a Premium price. it should clock better than the DS3.

we expect high overclocks and we spend alot of money to achieve this.

This is why this market exists.

so we have every right to complain if a mobo doesnt hit the FSB it should be hitting.

its not as if we all own dells is it?

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Originally Posted by Pandamonia

intel have to make chips that overclock well. alot of revenue is made from this.

saying they do stock speed is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:!

why make a Xtreme edition CPU? with an unlocked multi.

Overclocking is big business! cpu makers and mobo makers alike!

if your cpu and boards dont clock well. you WILL lose sales and revenue.

so saying we shud be happy with stock because thats what they are designed to is bull :banana::banana::banana::banana:. plain and simple.

Especialy from the Asus which is a Premium Board at a Premium price. it should clock better than the DS3.

we expect high overclocks and we spend alot of money to achieve this.

This is why this market exists.

so we have every right to complain if a mobo doesnt hit the FSB it should be hitting.

its not as if we all own dells is it?

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Umm let me correct you. Us, the overclockers are 5% of the business total. Intel, nor AMD have to make their processors overclocks well. They will sell them regardless in OEM systems, where, THAT is their cash cow. Asus, MSI, Biostar, etc all have 2 tiers of motherboards. OEM and end user enthusiast. Asus is the number 1 OEM board manf for MANY computer companies.. Thats where their cash comes from, NOT us.