Asus P5W way faster than Bad Axe

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07-02-2006, 01:15 PM
dogsx2

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Originally Posted by mine

while waiting .... what a nice girl you are goccin and such a good oc er :-)

:toast:

This is for you guys in Europe: http://www.jpop.com/overclock

Look, listen and learn.:D
07-02-2006, 01:19 PM
Dynasty

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Originally Posted by mine

while waiting .... what a nice girl you are goccin and such a good oc er :-)

:toast:

lol :rofl: , you are so wrong.

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I had to go back in the bios and raise VMCH a notch to run it again.

what voltage are you using for mch ? :)
07-02-2006, 01:21 PM
kiwi

Did you run some other benchmarks?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogsx2

This is for you guys in Europe: http://www.jpop.com/overclock

Look, listen and learn.:D

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :D :toast:
07-02-2006, 01:21 PM
AndreYang

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Originally Posted by mine

now if andré with the P5 de luxe and the 965 chipset could chime in

we would have a nice comparison 975 vs. 965 @ 32 M

and we could see whats up with the vastly improved new intel 965 memory controler ............

I am sure P965 chip memory control is not better than 975x.
07-02-2006, 01:36 PM
mine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynasty

lol :rofl: , you are so wrong.

Quote:

while waiting .... what a nice girl you are goccin and such a good oc er :-)

:toast:

:)

Dynasty :-)

You didn `t see the joke in it ...... my young friend

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

now look at hicookie what a nice girl and a nice oc er... :-)

@ andre

finally the word I waited for .. and in complete coincidence
with what I thought as well ...

thanks champ
07-02-2006, 01:52 PM
doc6886

whats bootstrap
07-02-2006, 02:08 PM
Tony

Guys

remember PAT...all that was is a way of forcing an overclock on the chipset...IE running the chipset at a different strap than the fsb range usually will allow.

So, running 1066 strap will drop the max fsb the CPU will reach but internal latency on the chipset will be a LOT LOWER...If you remember the IC7 days we all used to run 667 or 533 strap at this boosted memory performance over the 800 strap but you needed good ram and motherboard tweaks to get the fsb high.

Now badaxe has 800,1066 and 1333 strap, to get the high fsb's you need the 1333 but you losen the internal latency and so lose the memory performance. The ONLY way to claw some back is 1:1 and ultra tight timings at high FSB's...Now the alternative is run the 1066 or the 800 if you have a good board. i quoted in another thread the DFI was faster as it was stuck on the 1066 strap but FSB is limited to 370 ish tops.

So what does this mean, it means you are looking for a CPU with a high multi, IE 13 or 14 and run 1066 strap to gain all this lovely low chipset latency and gain a ton of memory speed. Im sure some one will sort out a way to get the MCH working at over 370 and we probably need to pump more fsb voltage also but for now run a high multi and 1066strap to keep the speed up with conroe.
07-02-2006, 02:26 PM
bachus_anonym

This is yet another reason to "dump 'n forget" current BadAxe... From what people were showing so far, ASUS P5W DH is already hitting up to 440FSB (no vmods) and 1066fsb bootstrap, plus kyosen hit 500FSB (with $hit load of mods). The sooner we forget about freakish BadAxe, the better :D

I still think and are with what macci and hipro5 suggested in other threads in XB - RAM is not running at what CPU-Z reports in all those cases we've seen so far :) PAT, no PAT, I don't buy it :p: Slap me If I'm proved wrong, though...
07-02-2006, 02:40 PM
ZeroX

Tony, any info if the R600 chipset based boards will have this "problem"? I think a lot of users (like me) will have E6400-E6600 CPUs and if the board tops out at 375 our OC will be relatively low. And as we are seeing, the 1333 strap is showing lack of performance, so i think that i will have to spend more money on the CPU...
07-02-2006, 03:10 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

This is yet another reason to "dump 'n forget" current BadAxe... From what people were showing so far, ASUS P5W DH is already hitting up to 440FSB (no vmods) and 1066fsb bootstrap, plus kyosen hit 500FSB (with $hit load of mods). The sooner we forget about freakish BadAxe, the better :D

I still think and are with what macci and hipro5 suggested in other threads in XB - RAM is not running at what CPU-Z reports in all those cases we've seen so far :) PAT, no PAT, I don't buy it :p: Slap me If I'm proved wrong, though...

Internal chipset latency is key here, use Everest etc to measure and you will see. PAT was just a BS way of saying "hey overclock this and its faster"..LOL!! do the same on badaxe and it will be faster...trust me.

I have a feeling CPU-Z may be wrong, 4:5 may actually be 1:1 someone needs to scope it and see.

Onto the RD600, I have the reference here, its an awesome board and does have a way of setting the 1333 strap, at the moment they are still tuning the board for high fsb overclocking so its unfair to comment. I can tell you its not like the Intel...IE you need 1333 strap to get the high fsb's but this does not affect the memory controller...so once they have it tuned up we will see some awesome results from it, I will say its already VERY good!!!

Its already hitting 450fsb so don't worry about it being limited to 370 ish as that was a 1066 strap limitation

Totally independant memory overclocking in 1fsb incrememnts to ddr1200, set the cpu to 349fsb and the ram to 436fsb if you like, yup its that flexable LOL

1T to ddr800ish, Low latency ram settings in bios and some nice new ram tweaks will have you begging to get one...I know I want a final board as my workstation ;)
07-02-2006, 03:15 PM
aintz

so some 3dmark and see if theres such a difference there 2
07-02-2006, 03:34 PM
Vapor

Tony...would this be akin to the MAL and RP settings from A64? The effects are VERY similar...
07-02-2006, 03:39 PM
Pedro Rocha

@ Tony - thank you once again for your very clear technical explanation :toast:
07-02-2006, 03:45 PM
kiwi

When can we expect RD600 hit retail?

Sounds like a killer board
07-02-2006, 03:48 PM
bachus_anonym

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

(...)Totally independant memory overclocking in 1fsb incrememnts to ddr1200, set the cpu to 349fsb and the ram to 436fsb if you like, yup its that flexable LOL(...)

I'm in :D
07-02-2006, 03:52 PM
Waus-mod

ok now i get it..

is there no way to get above 37x tony?.. im stuck on 379fsb.
07-02-2006, 03:57 PM
Tony

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

I'm in :D

I have been cleared to post up screenies etc, im just waiting on a better CPU as the A stepping I have is a little slow etc, i have a friend with a B5 so I may use his for a day or so and show you some cool pics etc ;)

Pedro, i try and explain it like i see it, no point in the bull 5h1te you sometimes see as this confuses people...thank you for posting thanks though ;)

Intel chipsets have always needed overclocking to be fast, once you do this you will find they are as good as it gets but you may have to hardware mod to get the best from them. The new Nvidia and ATI chipsets do 1T though, this will kill off the need for Intel to have the 975 as we have seen from the news.
07-02-2006, 03:58 PM
bachus_anonym

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Originally Posted by Waus-mod

ok now i get it..

is there no way to get above 37x tony?.. im stuck on 379fsb.

Yes, there is... At this moment, get ASUS P5W DH and you'll get 400+ @ 1066fsb bootstrap :fact: :D Or wait for RD600, from what Tony says...
07-02-2006, 03:59 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waus-mod

ok now i get it..

is there no way to get above 37x tony?.. im stuck on 379fsb.

MCH voltage, VFSB and a lot of cooling. Asus may have found a tweak that forces the MCH to a lower strap and sets the CPU to 1333 to allow the higher fsb's maybe..hard to say as i don't have the board to test yet.
07-02-2006, 04:00 PM
ZeroX

Tony thanks for ur explanation :)

I hope the board will hit the retail market as soon as possible, with ur explanaiton you have made me to want one so badly:p:
07-02-2006, 04:03 PM
bachus_anonym

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

I have been cleared to post up screenies etc, im just waiting on a better CPU as the A stepping I have is a little slow etc, i have a friend with a B5 so I may use his for a day or so and show you some cool pics etc :)

Lame excuse :lol: On with screenies, Tony... maybe in another thread so we don't hijack this one, though.
07-02-2006, 04:20 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

Lame excuse :lol: On with screenies, Tony... maybe in another thread so we don't hijack this one, though.

Sounds good to me, lets get back to PAT on 965 LOL as thats all it is ;)
07-02-2006, 05:39 PM
Supertim0r

Tony is right:

400fsb 3-3-3-8 1067strap = memtest error
445fsb 3-3-3-8 1333strap = fine

3.6ghz 1067 (1:1) 4-4-3-8 gave me a better 32m than 3.616ghz (4:5) 3-3-3-8

At least my board/cpu can do 3.6ghz dual prime (1067 strap)
07-02-2006, 09:21 PM
theteamaqua

hey Asus P5W DH's 400 fsb is good enough for me. E6600 : 9 x 400Mhz = 3.6Ghz. Although i might get RD600 or nforce 590 later for better performance on dual gfx
07-02-2006, 10:35 PM
Ender17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

Guys

remember PAT...all that was is a way of forcing an overclock on the chipset...IE running the chipset at a different strap than the fsb range usually will allow.

So, running 1066 strap will drop the max fsb the CPU will reach but internal latency on the chipset will be a LOT LOWER...If you remember the IC7 days we all used to run 667 or 533 strap at this boosted memory performance over the 800 strap but you needed good ram and motherboard tweaks to get the fsb high.

Now badaxe has 800,1066 and 1333 strap, to get the high fsb's you need the 1333 but you losen the internal latency and so lose the memory performance. The ONLY way to claw some back is 1:1 and ultra tight timings at high FSB's...Now the alternative is run the 1066 or the 800 if you have a good board. i quoted in another thread the DFI was faster as it was stuck on the 1066 strap but FSB is limited to 370 ish tops.

So what does this mean, it means you are looking for a CPU with a high multi, IE 13 or 14 and run 1066 strap to gain all this lovely low chipset latency and gain a ton of memory speed. Im sure some one will sort out a way to get the MCH working at over 370 and we probably need to pump more fsb voltage also but for now run a high multi and 1066strap to keep the speed up with conroe.

thanks for the explanation

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