5-10% increase on amd's half ain't gunna be enough
they better have some kind of sse enhancement or something.... hey do they plan on sse4? when i say " they " i mean anyone who makes cpu's
Printable View
5-10% increase on amd's half ain't gunna be enough
they better have some kind of sse enhancement or something.... hey do they plan on sse4? when i say " they " i mean anyone who makes cpu's
ow yea, around 20W is a lot :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ORCBEAST
checht the techreport mate
in idle opteron is even better
AM2 is a flop and we knew it was going to be. That guy is dreaming.. Another reason to stay clear of [H] which has turned into lamerville.
On a sidenote, did they really think AMD was going to fix the cold bug issue because 1% of the population wants to bench on -C temps? :ROTF:
i have posted over there, out of sheer bordeom and wanting to use their classifieds, its like a moron fest over there. i saw some guy go around telling people that merom was different from conroe, and had only 2mb cache. its great for comedic value.
AM2 is not a flop guys.....It is merely the 1st generation of AMD CPU's to support DDR2 ram.
You saw Kingpin's post with his SLI cards getting 51K+ in 03, here is Tony with 42K+ single card on air in 3D01: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=60
Not all is lost here for goodness sake. Why do all these threads turn into whoa is me AMD sucks.
I also want to ask why everyone always thinks the next generation of something MUST be better than the last or offer more features, etc.
You can't always release a product that is going to trounce your old product, but yet you need to release a new product to move on to new technology.....just as we are seeing with AMD right now.
All of you want Intel right now and for the past 2 years you all wanted AMD because they were on top ....why do you have to bash AMD just because they aren't on top right now....will this all go back to Intel bashing in 6 months if AMD moves back on top? :rolleyes:
My 2 pennies ;)
I agree its not a flop.. but a mere transition.. fully expected of AMD and normal in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
It is not AMD that made it a so called flop but amd fanboys...
We knew and even AMD knew it wasnt much of a gain.. but a simple transition. But AMD fanboys for some reason thought it was gonna be one hell of a gain and so on and especially on AMDzone... "you're not seeing real benches, wait for real benches" as if they were any different.
It was the hype of AM2 that made it a so called "flop".. it did not meet expectations, expectations that AMD never intended.
then the fanboys moved on to K8L as their savior....... which is no where close to being even released for atleast a year in my honest opinion.
Then the lead from anand about "amd having an ace up their sleaves"... now they're going crazy over that.... making up expectations.
same goes for conroe... it built expectations...when the ES samples were released, it met our expectations and sometimes surpassed them.
I hardly believe we will see anything worse than ES samples, prolly only better.
Can't wait.
its cus the last time intel had a decent product people were powering pc's with mice in a wheel.
so they are excited.
fair play if conroe is good. about time intel made a good chip.
the ONLY people you intel fans have to thank for CONROE is AMD! for making intel get their thumbs out of their arses and putting their hands in their wallets and investing in a new design instead of the old MORE MHZ = WINZ!
personally im with amd, but if conroe is really good ill sell up and move over and have a play in their camp for a while.
Very nice N91htmare and Pandamonia....at least there are 2 sane people out there ;)
:ROTF: :ROTF:
(no that was not a flame on the rest of you) :D
AM2 is a fine evolution for AMD IF INTEL was being the same old fat, dumb and lazy INTEL. AM2 would continue the dominace over Presler and Cedar Mill...
But something happened on the way to the forum and the world flipped upside down and now INTEL is the 400lb gorilla in the room. I mean let's put it into context... the cheapest Conroe @ $230 PWNZ AM2 FX-62 @ $1100.
Now thats not really fair is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonia
Up until the introduction of the Prescott performance was certainly comparible to the best AMD could offer.
and the dothan wasnt half bad either was it :D
3.0Ghz Woodcrest vs 2.6Ghz Opteron ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
I doubt Woodcrest had power management. If u look there's only one greenbar in the idle section.
Totally agree there Charlie.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
alright ist better in power consumption alright? damnit, like 20W is a lot
a Big part of it comes down to price. everything cost money...
If I can spend 1/4 the price but be able to match the performace of a $1100 chip.. why would i dish out 1100... now i nkow what some of yu are going to say... most people dont OC... even then. the top line conroe holds it's own at way less the price...
Intel is about to regain the price/performance ratio crown.
Nothing to get upset about I was just saying ^__^ Piece man and enjoy the Forum I have seen enough fighting on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
up until then tho AMD was alot cheaper and still gave a fight to intel....Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorburn
so u cud say intel was overpriced for same old performance.
not to mention intel change sockets more often than most people change tv chanels on a friday night when nothin is on.
at least 939 has been a good run for amd kicked intel ass and offered the best value 3ghz CPU "The Opteron" that has ever seen the market! without havin to jump a generation to do it!
i dont see a 250$ or 200£ intel CPU that can match it.
now intel have jumped ahead in technology and u cant count AM2 as next gen cus it simply aint!
Conroe is so far an impressive CPU that deserves a bit of light and credit. not until amd go 65nm and next gen architecture can people honestly compare the 2 companys and hand the crown to one or the other!
775 vs 939 everyone knows who won.
conroe 775 vs ?????? - its not AM2! - we will have to see wont we.
enjoy your time at the top of the market while you dont have a contender cus at the min u win by default only.
gettin so sick of the kids on here that see a benchmark and act like they are just about to lose their virginity.
Not quite True. When Athlon XP was released, the AMD "rating" was good. A XP 2500+, for example, was really like a P4 2500Mhz.. Now it's far from it. (numbers gone crazy) By this time, Intel was still better, but AMD cheaper. (and it's where most AMD believer started. It was a good chip, but the fan was so loud :p: ) Now it's the opposite.. AMD is better, Intel Cheaper and louder ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonia
Intel "mistake" was the Prescott and AMD good move was the Athlon 64. That's all.. (sure the Netburst wasn't the best thing either, but AMD wasn't better at this time (Remember the first Thunderbird and Duron while P4 was introduced..))
It's about time this Netburst architecture die...
Here is some more power consumption info:
http://www.2cpu.com/images/review/05...rest_power.gif
In particular notice the power usage for the 2 CPU Woodcrest system at full load (248W) and the Dual CPU Opteron System at idle (255W).
That's right the Woodcrest system uses less power under full load than the Opteron system at Idle!
which is WHY AM2 is a flop at this given time. Perhaps i should have restated my original phrase. The current transition is a FLOP until 65nm arises... But then again, you never know. Im on the Intel bandwagon until the next big thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
thats the german site right?
try techreport pls
http://techreport.com/etc/2006q2/woo...power-idle.gif
http://techreport.com/etc/2006q2/woo...power-load.gif
Going Pentium 4 has been available in 3 sockets, Socket 423, 478 and LGA775.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonia
In half the time period Athlon 64's have been available in Socket 754, 939, 940 and AM2.
i think he means chipsets
and that changes a lot at the intel camp
Well people on here should sometimes think about what they are saying then.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Unfortunately that seems to be a rare occurance.
I think changing chipsets a lot is a positive thing of Intel...
Just imagine we are still working with eg I915P