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dam, systool made the system freeze too! aint i allowed to read the temps?
ah....Quote:
Originally Posted by balrog
edit: if i only understood what he is saying...?
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
Make a shortcutt for speedfan and enter this at end of target line.
/NOSMBSCAN
you will also need to launch the newest ATI system manager to get proper cpu temps. without it it will most likely read negative something.
In speedfan temp1 is VRM temp2 is CPU and temp3 is AMB temp4 is core
sweet! thanks. 1 problem solved...
dang, still reports negative. is there a newer asm than this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Yes, there is a newer one.
Get it here....
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/193.zip
thanks! now it works!Quote:
Originally Posted by markr
ill be back tomorrow with more questions when ill try to oc some. currently only running at 240x9 and with ram @ 215...
btw, dropped the pata-sata converter and now the boot problem is gone. so it was the converter.
wonder if my dvd drive works with it...?
after spending weeks with the reference board, i finnaly gave up and got a DFI.
I sat down with every stick of ram i had and just could not get things clocking. I have a whole notebook worth of drive strength settings, i literally tried every possible combination, and i simply couldnt get things running how i felt they should.
On the other hand, the DFI on stock bios with all auto settings would post easy and memtest easy at 270mhz with BH-5. Id certainly love to be proven wrong, maybe tony can get me that reference bios he was talking about? I could give a side by side comparison of the boards.
A real detailed review of each, what do you guys think?
ok, bought some floppy disk today. im 23 and this is the first time i buy floppy disk... its 2006 WHAT HAS THE WORLD BECOME!
sorry...
So how do i proceed?
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
Make a bootable floppy and copy both F32A and your new bios to the floppy. Make sure your bios is set to boot from floopy first. Also setting bios to defaults is a good idea. Re-boot with floppy in drive. Then type "F32a biosname.bin /b" with out the quotes. If you are switching to the megatrends bios it will be .rom instead of .bin. You will get a message that this bios is not for this board but just ignor that. After flash power down, clear cmos with jumper, reboot and set bios to safe defaults then reboot once more and set it up to your liking.
Give it a go. The bios Tony was taking about is available now. BIG difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I'm sorry if I'm missing anything, but has there come any newer/better bios than the one Tony came with? The one at sapphiretech.com is the same ol' 411? :)
I'm still using that bios, and extremely happy with my motherboard between. Even when I'll go conroe sooner or later, I'm not selling this! I'll be happy to help if I can :)
Tony gave us 2. One was a award bios like the official bios and the other a American Mega Trends bios which is very different. For me the MegaTrends bios works best. It has no issues at all other than no splash screen of Ruby. The award bios for me would reset with a cold boot every time if I raised my HTT. Warm boot are fine but every morning at first power on I have to enter all settings in bios again with the Award bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlowe
btw, glad to hear you like your board. I love mine. :D
Hehe yeah I'm also using "the very different one" ;)
dammit! its not without a reason that i hate floppy. cant get it to work.
Double klick the floppy and get a message that it aint formatted, do you like to format now? i klick yes and after a few second i get a message that it aint no disc in drive a: insert disc....
mother......
edit: something is happening now....
Quote:
Originally Posted by markr
Not quite, i have the official reference board and i cant seem to get a good reference bios.
dang. man this is hard. only get disc I\O error when i boot with the floppy...
finally!
So if it says:
AMIBIOS
Version: 08.00.12
Build: 04\28\06
Id: PRMT_B15
its alright!?
If you have the blue Manta....... pm GraySkull and he may set you up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
weird. 235htt 1:1 was 1,5s slower in superpi than 240htt with 183 divider (215)
Lost almost no bandwith at all in everest...?
I know I get a tad over 7000 with ram at 259Mhz and when I run it up to 270Mhz it is about 7400.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
hm now i need to make my ram go faster. cant do 240 with 2,5.3.3.5
there must be something to do to speed them up a bit...
Try slots 2 and 4 sometimes they clock higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
yeah, havent tried moving the ram around yet.
they respond to more volt, but im not shure how much i can give them...
Theese are the one i have: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=77205
Currently at 300x9 but ram only 200 (2.3.2.5) because 166divider would be a bit high...
Mb started acting weird above 300htt. tried 305, but had to rais nb voltage to get it to work. tried 310 but got insert proper boot device then.
guess ill have to wait for better nb cooling to go past 300...
Did you set pll to high speed?
And all the 580 stuff to optimal?
no. but will try that when i get home from work!
woot. lost alot memory performance changing those 3 things...
From 6k to 5k in read and from 2,5k to 2k i write. latency went up alot too
Edit: didnt help me oc. still bsod while booting @ 305htt
Guess ill still need to raise voltage to NB to get higher, and i dont feel too comfortable with that without better cooling as the nb sink was pretty warm @ stock speed (50+?)
edit: never mind the first statement. just me remembering wrong. its actually opposite:)
ok.
What is mps rev 1.1?
and what is ddr drive strenght (n) and (p) theyre set at level 6 both of them
Btw. i can restart without problems, but i cant turn of the system and turn it on again. have to clear cmos for that.
You need to adjust Max async latency and Read preamble. These have very different settings from the DFI nf4. Try 9 and 7 respectively.
You don't need better nb cooling, or much voltage :)
Edit: My NB voltage is at 1,3V and I'm running ~320 HTT
tried stock voltage, 305 no go. tried 1.3 305 ok, tried 310 no go....
will try those settings. is that for higher ram or higher htt or just performance?
Daam my nec nd3550 refuses to work on this motherboard and that is a big no no
edit:those setting lower performance a tad, so i guess its for higher ram..
Try upping the HTT now. I'm running 133 divider and ~200 MHz on ram.
ah! nice one. 305 stock voltage worked now!
Edit: not very stable though!
tried upping some volts here and there, and adding a small fan to the NB sink.
seemed stable @ 305 but 310 was still no go.
back to 300 for now...
did you give your cpu a little more voltage? It should do 311 @ 1.39v no problems. Also did you lower your HT multi to 4. @ 5 you will be over 1500. It is doable but you will need to raise NB volts more and there is no gain to be had with it that high.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
cpu runs fine @ 300\1,35 could probably do 1,325 too. but yes gave it 1,4 and nb 1,3 and the link thing to 1,3
and "only" 3x @ ht multi
Did you manually set ram volts or let it auto?
What is it set at?
Edit: Also dram drive strength to normal and dram data drive strength to 50% reduced, as it looks like your chips are Infineons like mine.
2,7 but tried 2,76 just to be shure...
Any chance of a A64info shot so we can see your timings. It must be a simple oversight as people have done in excess of 400 HTT on this board.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...light=sapphire
here.
Edit: oh it was a64info you asked for... downloaded it, but tweaker show the same info so i guess its ok?
ok figured it had to do with something i did, so changed back to default only changing waht you told me earlier.
Writing this @ 310htt....
tref aint right though, its 7,8 in bios...
tref in windows never matches tref in bios ????? :( A64info seems to read it properly though.
I do find my machine more stable when my tref matches my memclock. You could try 133Mhz 3.9us or similar for tref.
Your timings a relativly loose for your ram so once you get your CPU where you like it you can tighten them up a bit.
Sounds like you may be getting somewhere. :)
You guys can leave the NB voltage at default for anywhere around 300 HTT. It will do that very easily at default voltage. If you raise the voltage all you'll succeed in doing is burning more power and creating heat in your case. :nono: In terms of raw HTT, the chipset is good to atleast 350 at default voltage. After that, with a 0.1V bump it'll do in excess of 420 HTT. The reason why few people ever suceed in doing this is that you need to change some memory timing parameters at around ~350+ HTT to make the board run stable and it has nothing to do with the chipset it's a CPU thing. Check the async latency ;)
315htt now. gonna leave it there while i sleep. lets se if F@H fails....
Edit: oh, so 1,22 is ok to around 350. guess ill never get that high with my cpu, but nice to know!
What are you using to check tRef in windows? If you are using the tweaker, it's wrong.
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Originally Posted by markr
Yes tweaker is wrong. A64info seems to read it correctly. Or even the mighty ATISystemManager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
tweaker says 200 3,9. ASM says 200 8k\16k rows and a64 only says 1560 cycles....;) and bios says 200 7,8us
only Bios is right :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
btw i cant follow this thread cause i'm busy with my studying , so sorry
1560 is 200 7.8us but, i agree it is always what you have set in bios no matter what any proggy might say.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
yeah, im not to worried about that.
system har been running half a day @ 315. 1 core kept sending in unfinnished wu`s (F@H) but im confident that it was just a little low cpu voltage (1.375) for the speed (2835) so upped it to 1.4. will wait a few hours to se if its ok, the try 320++
Ok getting more satisfied with this mb now. but 1 major drawback. that my nec nd3550 doesnt work on this board. anyone have an idea about that?
What's wrong with the nec drive? Is it a master or slave? Any other devices on the same IDE channel?
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
I made this pic of my settings with my 144 I'm running at 316*9 = 2850 approx. (yes I love mspaint..)
My TCCD's SPD is damaged (I think) so I must run cas 2 (and ~200MHz) on them.
But you can see what is needed I guess :)
http://www.home.no/oomg/pics/daily.PNG
By the way my NEC nd2500a (or something) works without problems.
EDIT- unintentional double post......
both of you try to search for overclocking guide for xpress 3200 by Sami Mäkinen(maekinen if you are not finnish :D) its very helpfull for clocking on that board. helped me a lot. its orginally made for asus a8r32-mvp but most of the things are chipset related so it wont matter. and have you setted rd580 ht pll speed to fast? it helps a great deal for higher htt clocks. you should not need to lower htt multi at htt300. mine runs just fine htt300 at 5x multi and no volt bump.
First i had my pata drive on a sata-pata adapter and rhe nec drive alone and as master on the pata.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
But since the sata-pata adapter didnt wokr perfektly i had to ditch it(boot problems)
So now i have it as slave together with my hdd.
But its no different anyways. it act the same both ways.
Little hard to explain what it does, it makes this ticking sound, like its searching, for like 30s and goes silent.
Everytime i try reading a cd it just start tikking for 30s again...
My samsung cd drive works fine though...
marlowe:
Isnt that pretty much exact what i got now? maybe exept for idle cycle limit...
Uhm yeah you're right.. I've reached 370 HTT with these same settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
I have no idea how to tune this stuff more correctly or how to get more out of the cpu though :p:
Edit: I've had that ticking sound (and following "hanging" meanwhile in explorer if trying to access it) before, on another old slot-in aopen cd-rom.. I'm not absolutely sure but I think it was defect :p:
Edit2: I have the 4,2MB Overclocking_Guide_CrossFire_Xpress3200.pdf if you want it :)
ok.
doing 325x9 @ 1,41v right now. cpu-z 1.36 doesnt read the voltage offset i think, cus it still shows 1,4v
to bad there isnt a 150divider in bios, cus i think maybe with a little tweaking i could get 250 on the ram, and that it would give me alot more bandwith!
You could use A64info to switch to 150 divider at startup. It works pretty slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
yeah i know. thinking about it. checking the limits on my ram right now.
Dam, my cpu hit a wall @ about 3ghz. did 330x9 @ 1,416 but not even 1,43 was enough for 335x9 maybe around 1,45 is needed.
so possible that 330 will be my 24\7 setup. atleast til my wc is as i like it to be. need a new pump(and new tubing\barbs)
AH, Sweet!
Only changed cas latency from 2 to 3 and then my ram went from 215 to 250.
so using the 150divider got me 600 more mb\s on read and 250+ on write!
Edit:If i want to run dual superpi, do i have to do something special? or is it just to open 2 of them and run them?
Edit2: figured it out, was only to make 2 folders...
this is starting to look like something!:cool:
ok, running 320x9 @ 1,43 for now. should be pretty stable.
But god dam this cpu gets hot now! somewhere around 15-20k hotter @ load than 300x9 @ 1,35...
Dang, the temp on this chip just skyrocketed! but it seemes to be stable so i guess its ok.
but i cant go for 3ghz....
It begs to be delidded i think.
It's getting hot because it's consuming a lot more power now. This is where the 4 phase power and heatsinked FETs really start shining. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
yeah i know, but its REALLY hot!
What are the temps? And what is your cooling?
man, almost 40 k delta....
cooling is in sig. soon gonna redo my loop a bit, throw out the nb block(just hanging in the air right now) and the waterchill gpu block(switching with mcw60 thats on my x1900)
only need a new pump then...
edit: will stick my outdoor thermometer down the t-line to check water temp....
edit2: hm a little bit higher delta than i thought. 8k air\water...
40 k delta t?
@ idle?
no no. idle? wft is that? load of course!:D
edit: dual instance of F@H btw....
Edit2 oh, and its 40k air\cpu, not 40k idle\load...
lowered the clocks to 2.8 @1,4v (312x9) now i get good temps again. 25k lower that 2.9 @1.43v....
What is mps rev? should it just stay at 1.1 or should i change it to 1.4?
what does it do?
Ok i cant turn the pc off without having to clear cmos to get it to boot up again.
How can this be fixed?
Greyskull?
could you possible give me a helping hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterHeart
You are having this issue with the AMI bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
If so maybe it is your battery. I had to replace mine at about 3 weeks. A lot of times motherboard makers buy them by the boat load and they end up sitting on the shelf for too long before they are put into new board.
checked it with mm it was above 3v....
I had cold boot problems with the first bios released with this board, but not with the AMI. You could try flashing it properly again, making sure everything is correct. There shouldn't be cold boot problems.
By the way, I'm almost impressed with how much troubles you've had :)
I also like your avatar ;)
*shrug*
youre impressed huh, no :banana::banana::banana::banana:! im getting tired of mb with lots of issues (939dual, a8r-mvp), thats why i got this board! yeah some issues with it originaly but the ami bios should take care of that, but noo. My dvd-drive doesnt even WORK on this board. whats that all about?
Where can i get a hold of that 8mb chip? maybe that original bios could make some thing better...?
btw; i like them too :)
Edit: is this correct:
AMIBIOS
Version 08.00.12
Build: 04/28/06
ID: PRMT_B15
?
That is the one. I would have to agree with Marlowe and suggest a reflash. It should not have cold boot issues.
edit: chip can be had at badflash.com
edit2: are you able to try the dvd drive again on another machine? And does windoze report the drive as working on your Manta?
yeah i suppose i can flash it again. @ 275htt i can turn off the system and then turn it on again. but @300 i have to clear cmos to get it to boot. havent checked exactly where the limit is though.
Windoze? if you mean if the drive is found in "my computer"? then yes. but it wont read the cd. so the logo doesnt change either. just the standard dvd-rom logo...
edit: restart always works fine...
ok, reflashed the bios, lest se if it starts this time....
Edit: nope, nothings changed....
*shrug*
i cant jump straight to 300 either. i tried the nec drive again but i wont work.
lowerer the htt to 200 for the ocasion(?) and when i pumped it up to 300 again it wouldnt boot. have to do 250first then 300...
So just to be sure....
In bios at the Advanced tab, under Hyper Transport Config:
NB HT Link Width is set to Auto or 16bit
RD580 HT Drive Strength is set to Optimal
HT Receiver Comp Ctrl is set to Optimal
RD580 HT PLL Control is set to High Speed
Also for your DVD drive what I meant by Windoze was in Device Manager is it showing it as working properly?
Edit: When you re-flashed did you set bios back to default first?
check for everything! (including edit)
As for the nec, when i tried it again system rebooted instantly the moment i got into windows so i dont know...
will try it in another machine to check that its ok...
This is all i do in bios, this is how my system is running right now:
1. set time date
2. Disable floppy everywhere
3. Prosessor FID to 9x
4. Prosessor VID to 1,35
5. Cpu\ht to 250
6. Memclockmode to Force
7. Memclock value 133
8. Mct timing to manually (though didnt change anything at this speed)
9. Userconfig to manually
10. Read preample to 7
11. Async latency to 9
12. Dram voltage to 2.7
13. All the hyper transport things(800\16\optimal\optimal\high speed)
14. Boot priority
15. Save and exit, and into bios again
16. Change HTT to 300
17. save\exit\boot....
thats all!
ok some good news... kinda.
Cant get my nec drive to work on the other machine too. going to rma it.
Wonder what happend to it?
Try this and report back (make sure you are on the AMI bios and it's flashed correctly)
1) Turn off power
2) Clear cmos
3) Turn on power and start up the system
4) enter cmos menu
5) press F9 to load optimal defaults
6) set fid to x8
7) set vid to 1.35
8) set htt to 300
9) memclock mode to manual and set 100 or 133 (try both if the first one you try fails)
10) dram voltage to 2.7V or whatever the sticks run at
11) HT 1GHz/16/optimal/optimal/high speed
12) HT voltage to 1.3V
Don't touch anything else and try to boot directly to 300 FSB. If this works, then either the memory or CPU isn't stable for some reason. If it doesn't work try the same sequence (start from the beginning again) but with HT settings of 800 MHz/16/optimal/optimal/high speed. This has worked on every Xpress3200 Manta system that I can think of but we never played with Opterons too much.
Report back what your results are. The point here is to try and isolate the problem of not being able to go directly to 300HTT. Once you figure that out, then you can start tweaking out your ram and CPU. Even fall back to one memory stick and try it if you have no luck. We have seen memory "holes" at certain speeds. Sometimes memory runs too slow and will cause strange things the same is true if it runs too fast (obviously).
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Originally Posted by eXa
@ Grayskull.....
Could the not being able to boot at 300HTT be related to his cold boot issues?
If the board doesn't cold boot everytime at default settings then something else is wrong.
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Originally Posted by markr
ok, results from initial testing.
did exactely as you said, 1.time, booted and got into bios again but system froze(klock not counting or anything) 2.time, froze @ quiet mode enabled, 3.time, froze in bios again.
4.time, tried 800ht but nothing happened after save&exit. turned the power off and tried booting but nothing happend. just like before... clear cmos.
some more testing.
nb 1,22
ht link 1,3 = no go
nb 1,3
ht link 1,3 = boot but frezes quickly.
nb 1,3 with smal noisy fan
ht link 1,3 = frezes but not quite so fast
nb 1,4 with the fan
ht 1,3 = as we speak!
everything is exactely as you said. exept when i got it working i entered bios again and changed time and boot priority.
Btw: HOLY SH**! :eek:
just figured out why the temp skyrocketed when i got past 1,4v. Somehow i twisted things in my brain and figured that the voltage offset was in 0.02 an so on, not 0.2. So i didnt push 1,43v but 1,7v :confused: scary...
Man i can se those asus folks sitting there... "i told you so, 1,45 max!"
(ref; all asus\asrock boards)
ok a bit more results. tried changing from 8x to 9x. system booted fine and stuff but was unstable. now i have upped the voltage to 1,375 too and it semes fine for now.
Also tried 133 divider on ram (with 8x) but nothing happened after save&exit.
Edit: no wait... wasnt stable. lowered the ht to 800. will se if its stable now!
Edit2:800 semed to do the trick. now ill have to se if i can lower the NB voltage to 1,3 again and remove the fan....
Edit3: lowered the voltage to 1,3 and removed the fan. stable for now. will report back if something happends.
Can you cold boot now with a CMOS clear?
without, Yes. cold boot\warm boot. seemes to boot everytime.
Everytime i have changed something now i have turned the computer off instead
of using restart and it boots!
edit: im guessing its memory related, only using 100divider now. 133 didnt seemed to work the one time i tested. but i havent tested much ram things yet.
just to sum it up.
optimal defaults
Fid 9x
Vid 1,375
Htt 300
Memclock 100
Ram v 2.7 (just to be shure)
HT = 800\16\optimal\optimal\high speed
NB 1,3v no fan
HT link 1,3v
that is what im running right now. will stay so to tomorrow night if it aint something you want me to try first....
tried to get 133divider to work, but i cant.
no matter what i did nothing happened after save&exit.
Also tried doing what greyskull said only i also changed max async latency to 9 and read preample to 7 but nothing happened then too!
Need help to move on!
Tried with one dimm or different ram?
no havent touched the ram yet...
Sounds like the memory is giving problems now...time to tune it. I would first not touch the DDR Memory Drive Strength settings (Level 0-15) at first. First find the best DDR data drive strength setting (% reduced). Then start playing with the DDR Drive Strengths. I would suggest reducing the strengths to begin with one step at a time and go from there. Memtest can be used to get things going.
Please report back what settings you are using now that is stable (using the 100 MHz memory divider for now).
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Originally Posted by eXa
Use the ATI system manager...it is your friend and will tell what voltages you are running at...in case your brain has a lapse or you can't add. :) I use it all the time. :D
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Originally Posted by eXa
ok. will report back in next week probably since ill be gone over the weekend.
Grayskull could you give a brief description of P/Nmos drive strengths and how it relates to O/Cing please?