No its been held up for certain reason at this time. Namely I will not bang up any results till I am 100% sure its 100% stable. Working on it as fast as i can. I would rather give no new info than innacurate info.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Printable View
No its been held up for certain reason at this time. Namely I will not bang up any results till I am 100% sure its 100% stable. Working on it as fast as i can. I would rather give no new info than innacurate info.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
nice CPU
i picked up a week 27 BH 3800+ X2...should be OK :)
Thanks for the update Chew. Check in from time to time until the fine wine is ready.:D Is that red wine or white wine?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I'm fond of white wine :)
Can you please dl cinebench and do a cpu render test with different LDTs and see if there is in fact any performance gain with higher LDTs
I can and will but for now it will have to be with a 2 gig set of OCZ plats 2-3-2-5 ddr 400. How about 9x300 with 5x 4x and 3x LDT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sose
Sure, that be ok ...Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I am more interested in cpu performance than memory performance anyways ... hopefully we some kind of benefit with a 4 or 5 LDT. Currently I get just under 800 on cinebenches 2 cpu render test with a 165 at 2.8 Ghz, 3 LDT, and 280 MEMCLOCK FREQUENCY
I need a board for my other cpu 165 UPMW
Oh, do you have any idea what the going rate will be for these boards more or less
Ok quick test with some speed binned Corsair pc 3200 speed binned UCCC. I adjusted Dqs drive strength to 50% reduced and set Beats to 8, other than that this is untweaked or as i like to call it Raw and Uncut. I will push higher tighter later.
*edit* P/N drive settings were run at default of 6/6. Also some of you may have noticed i swapped cpu's. This cpu has a known good mem controller and x2's have to many chances of having a bad 1/1 mem clock due to just a single bad mem controller.
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/UCCC.jpg
OCZ plats 2x1 gig pc 3200 2-3-2-5 kit. I didnt bother trying to OC these as its preety much a waste of time. Anyone that has them know they max out around ddr 434ish. Just wanted to show that even when oced which increases the bandwidth some they are still stable and wanted to make sure i was stable at 300+ x 5xLDT before running cinebench.
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/OCZPLATSpc3200.jpg
Cinebench scores. Hope this is what you wanted. Never ran this before. I honeslty don't think this is a good bench for taxing the chipsets bus.........Need something alot more demanding IMHO that taxes the bus as the NB has quite a few lanes.
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/9x300x3xldt.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/9x300x4xldt.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/9x300x5xldt.jpg
Cinebench isn't a very good test to compare the different LDT multis. Just for future reference, spi8m should be sufficient enough to show the performance gains from running a higher LDT ;)
Thanks :) ...
hmm, no gains whats so ever ... :confused: I hope there is some gain for using a full LDT
I find cinebench pretty good to test stability. It might not be the best but it works well. There have been times when I passed super pi mod and cinebench couldnt ... it taxes the cpu pretty darn good
;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
yeah i think superpi or something along those lines would be better.
Ok so decided to find max Htt before it got unstable. Note I have not removed heatsinks, repasted, or done any modifications to keep my results as close to what the end user should see in a NIB retail version. Seems 1675 Htt is doable.
After 330 I started to see some hard drive corruption with 5x LDT so keep this in mind and drop the multi down after 325-330. Upping SB volts did nothing for it. 340 and The pci E slot lost video. Once again dropping multi to 4 x resolves all.
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/high%20htt.jpg
325x5 is still impressive as hell :)
Keep the thorough results coming man
Agreed. Is there any measurable performance gain at 5x or 4x versus 3x? Great thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by dqniel
Im looking into that now. One user requested cinebench however i feel it is the wrong bench to try and measure if there are any gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkingbear
There is some measureable gains by running a higher LDT, but the difference is so insignificant that there's almost no point in doing so. That being said, if you're trying to squeeze out every last second in a bench such as SuperPi, a higher LDT will give you a faster result (assuming you're stable enough to finish the bench)Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkingbear
As per your suggestion. Note the last test is done twice once at stock volts and second with a small .08 bump to NB and HT. I did this on a hunch after seeing results from all 3. I will retest test 2 300x4 later with some voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/Pi%208m%20300x3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/PI%208m%20300x4.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/PI%208m%20300x5.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/...x5%20volts.jpg
Nice work :toast: I also want ot mention that Spi is a very voltage sensitive bench. You'll notice BIG swings in results from using too little voltage -> too much voltage. The key with Spi benching is finding the OPTIMAL stable settings @ a certain speed and that will result in the fastest times ;)
How far off are these boards from full production?
2 weeks according to the sapphire man i spoke to today.
also chew keep in mind that your first run is never fastest, to try and eliminate this run in realtime mode and run 16k a few times until it stops getting faster, after that, then run a few 256k's until it stopps, then after a good 256k go to whatever you are benching, 8m in this case.
Yep took that in mind. Each one of those benches represents a fresh reboot in order to make all things equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
hmmm that's news to me about voltage.....i'll try reproduce that....you sure about this :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
1000%Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
hmmmm ok....maybe that explains my super fast SPI runs as of late....might have just hit the sweet spot or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
:toast: You'll know what I'm talking about after running a few tests with 32m ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I am a 3d artist so to me it matters ...Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I dont see how you can say the above. When you have to wait all day for renders to finish it matters ...
We are talking real world performance here. Whats real world performance to you ... calculating pi values? ... unless you sit all day watching your computer calculate pi values or prime numbers
Is that what you feel computers are used for? The benchmark olympics is not real world performance
opps....... :D
um..i think that is a little unfair to say something like that to those who are trying to accomodate what you have asked for....
IF there is a difference between 4x and 5x..or even 3x..it isnt going to be anything that in a real world performance issue you will ever see...if it should show it may be nothing more or less than a second or 2 at worst or best....
in response to Kaisers post....
keep your pants onQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sose
he is very experienced and can "probe" certain computer settings with certain benchmarks BEST to judge performance.......you have to use benchmarks which are "sensitive" to certain settings changes......this is very tricky and unless you have experience with all of the above you won't know which buttons to push
take this voltage example >>>>> now that takes superior skill to discover.....i normally don't take advice from anyone for granted and i do like to confirm things myself (like certain HDD performance s7 mentioned way back :p ) BUT i do take it seriously when he is positive about something because i know he put a lot of effort into it and has proof ;)
back on topic please or make a new thread ;)
Chew,
Do these new boards like the .5 cpu multipliers or is that still a big no no?
Which RD 580 would you suggest, the ones with the Ati SB or Uli SB? ... or does that depend on what type of user you are :)
Um no .5 multis on this board. As far as the MOBO all ati chipsets or bust. Thats the way it was intended to run so thats the way i buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sose
Sorry Chew, just gonna say this last thing and leave it alone:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sose
Kaiser: WTF are you talking about? What I stated was fact. If you want to believe that Cinebench is affected by LDT, then go ahead - be my guest. You were wondering why there was basically no differences in the results from Chew's tests and I stated why and how the difference could be shown. Do whatever you like - run 2000Mhz on your LDT frequency - I'm sure you can HOPE it runs faster. If you just wanted to know how to OC to run Cinebench faster, you could have just asked.....I'd really suggest you think about what you write before just babbling stuff out:rolleyes: . Everything here at XS is part of the "benchmark olympics". Spi is one event and Cinebench is another. If you want to race in either one, lmk as I'll show you what performance is really about.....
And ill show you how to take the hardware there :) or kill it:D
I thought I already got this thread back on topic by asking about the South Bridge options ... I guess some can not listen well ...
Sorry Chew, just gonna say this last thing and leave it alone:
I never said Cinebench is the gold, end it all, standard for LDT or even over all system performance for that matter. As chew pointed out so elementary, I simply suggested he run Cinebench. It was for my own personal need ... no different than other posters here who suggested other test for there own personal reasons. For me, determining if there is in fact a real world gain by utilizing a higher than 3 LDT is important. Cinebench is my tool for finding a practical use for a 4 or 5 LDT. It's beyond me how this can turn your panties inside out
That's humorous or sad, I'll let you pick. To many silicon ' roids ' have gotten to you. You have at least one prevalent sympton and that is signs of agression, only this time it is behind a computer. On the other hand if you want to name the track, court, or gym I will show you real world performanceQuote:
If you want to race in either one, lmk as I'll show you what performance is really about.....
Once again, sorry chew, but my manhood was called out ... someone actually had the *balls* to challenge me to a benchmark fight :D
I better write this fast, time is - a - wasting. I got lots to do and train before that upcoming exhausting finger pushing battle I'm up for :D
PM sent :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sose
Maybe a daft question but is it possible to run a 1 x pci-e card eg. tv/sound card in one of the 16 x slots??
Um no however im sure you could use a ram drive or any other compatible PCI Xpress device. There are 2 1x pci E slots that in no way shape or form are hindered by even using X fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by philter
Actually yes, a single slot pci-e card should plug in and work fine in the x16 slot. We've tested it in house with our Theater tuner cards and some other x1 devices like LAN cards, etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by philter
I stand corrected although its kinda a waste of a X16 slot. There are PCI e cards out there that would be far better suited to run in that slot such as an aria scsi card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
i like having that option, a waste for you does not mean a waste for someone else.
I wish people would start releasing PCI-e cards already, how creative doesnt have a sound card out is just beyond me.
Yeah I can't get my head round that at all, I have seen a DUAL DVB PCI-e card though record a prog while watching another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Like chew* says does seem like a waste but if ya only using 1 VGA card having the option to use that slot for any PCI-e card to me is great specialy as I'm sure I've seen an RD580 board with only one PCE-e x1 slot. You could have a TV card sound card (if any come out) this way.
FWIW on one of my boards, I run a x4 PCIE Promise Supertrack 8350 Sata2 Raid card off of my x8 PCIE slot with no issues whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Fwiw?
for what its worth
EDIT: I'm slow and old flash.......:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Well i got manta on DI boys and girls so results later :).
:woot: BH loven :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Can chew* and manta take down the current champ? hmmm lets see.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Heres the old one. http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=55346
waiting,waiting,waiting:)
WR owned and im making this post at this speed so its stable enough :)
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/3.3gig.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/3.4%20gig.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/3.5%20gig.jpg
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/x2%203800%20WR.jpg
validated
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=79315
nice CPU -56C at 330HTT :slobber:
:woot: Good job.
Ummm...Chew???? Please tell me that's a bug on your vcore reading cuz that kinda speed @ 1.40Vcore would make that cpu quite possibly the strongest I've EVER seen :p: CONGRATS :toast:
that's a bug s7 heheh
Hehehe....I shoulda guessed that if @ 3300 he was @ -56 and then @ 3500 cpu temps were @ -31. My guess is that he's gotta be pushing ~1.80 - 1.85V for those kinda temps :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I'm waiting for you for the low voltage x2 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
It's a bug stephen and i believe it was 1.76 volts. It had more but i figured I'd let someone else break it so it gives me something fun to do again, temps suck because my DI unit is ghetto.............I made it myself soldered and old swiftech water block base into a cap and soldered the pipe to cap....
Anyway more importantly cpu survived and board is drying out atm even though i already used a blow drier ill let it air out overnight.
boooooooo quitter! Let's see if this board is Chew-proof too.
pcdoc1....
"Flash" was from my younger years....lol
I'm still waiting as well :rolleyes: However, I did pick up a new toy to abuse a couple of days ago. I've yet to install her since I'm scared she's not gonna like -90C temps :p: I'll give her a go soon though:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/254/cpu6lo.jpg
Eek runs back to North pole to hide.....That thing is gonna bug me thinks but you already know that. This chip I have will do more especially colder stephen but needs a little coaxing above 335 Ht etc weaken the drive strength I used 0/0-P/N drive strenght 50 % reduced dqs drive strength and weak drive.
Speak English Please!! :p: (Those settings aren't on the DFI) I'm currently trying to devise a strategy to keep myself from pulling my hair out if this cpu won't boot. That's the reason why I'm a little partial to this cpu I've been testing (and No, it's not the one we were speaking of before ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7049/11x3008jj.jpg
Heh well the sapphire has those settings and I can actually shut down and power up full cold. I actually had to reset cmos twice as the board under cold didn't like the 4x X 335 or higher although is fine on air water. Still 3x x 335 or higher is right at the 1000 mark which is fine.
Got any ADBHE or ACBHE x2's hiding somewhere steven? I'm in need of a # 3 x2 and gonna retire my week 17 sandy soon.
btw SS # 3 arrives tommorow. We shall see how rd 580 is under a 24/7 SS in a few days.
I've still got one in mind for you.....PM me tomorrow and I'll see where it's hiding ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
DI is water cooling, correct ...
For the average OC user [ those that oc but still like a full functioning system ] what type of issues would the Ati SB bring compared to the Uli ... any ideas?
When is the dfi version coming out ... any ideas ... will it have Uli or Ati SB
Would be nice to see a dfi rd 580 or dfi IDF 6150 soon
DI=Dry Ice......:)
[I think so]
Very Nice work Chew, WTG!!! Seems very nice board, when we should see it in Stores???
Yes DI = Dry Ice and that run was just preety much a test run to get a feel for the board under cold and test out that DI tube i made. I'll do more extensive testing with it soon now that i know how the board reacts and how cold the tube gets. I might use my 3700 sandy next time to see how the board helps in getting around the cold bug. There are some preety neat tweaks that i found the first time around.
chew,
What kind of support can we honestly expect from Saphire?
I ask this because I see they still are working on their summer 2005 online store debut which tells me something about the company ...
You need not worry about sapphire support with this board. ATI has been supporting the reference line of boards and grayskull has been more than helpful with them. I can attest to that as not one of my bioses in my board is sapphires. They just want to make sure the bios is dead stable and rightly so as with as many voltage options this board has it could easily be a cpu/ram killer if there was a bug. I have yet to lose a cpu and no one can say that i haven't pushed them to the limits.
I don't think you've pushed them to the limits. LOL...j/k:toast:
So you want 1.9 volts like i gave my clawhammer :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
LOl.....no, I want to see 1.9V into a 90nm cpu :D :Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3793/3600a1te.jpg
I do hate my sandiego..........hehe I'll fix its ass for not being a 3.3 gig air chip.
It must be nice to be able to freeze your cpu :)
I got no idea how to set something like that up and I do not want to spend 1 G for a vapochill :slap:
A cheap DIY Dry Ice tube costs about $35 and about 4 hours of your time most of that for lapping. Add $10 for 10lbs of DI and another 5 for acetone and you can have alot of fun. Used phase units range from $250-$450 and OCZ may be selling a budget unit soon so the horizon looks good for the beginner. As for me well i have an arsenal already and i like to mod my own stuff. If it took a pic of just what i have for cooling alone people would drool forget what i have for hardware.
what is the difference between N and T CPUs?
talk to oppainter recently? i think he runs his 154 cabne at 1.95 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Im hoping for some really cold coling soon and i just got a CABGE chip that i will most definetly run 1.9 through for you once i get all set up (a few months awa y unfortunatly)
T loves volts N likes to go high on low volts and likes to die on high volts :) for instance My x2 3800 I've been using is a T chip. It responds well with voltage/cold. My 3700 sandy is an N chip it doesn't respond to volts as well and requires fine tuning. Contradictory to this i've seen T chips die with not enough volts + high clocks. Also in my experience T chips are more resililient to BH-5 etc high volts to MMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
To bad you don't live near R.I. revv I have a couple units just sitting here wasting away atm.
I live near RI chew :D , I was there all day today actually.
I appreciate the effort you put forth already with this board.
I laughed when I read your slight rant about the DFi/NF4.....
So true man, it's pathetic, although I was very fortunate today...
It actually BOOTED on the first try!!
Heheheheh
Board looks good so far, I won't be going XFire, or AM2(anytime soon at least), so I'm hoping/will be looking for an RX board to get rid of this problematic Ultra-D (that folks at other locations say are other problems :rolleyes:, need not mention that site me thinks.... ).
Thx again
m
Hey man you should meet up some time. We will have a clockathon. mach1 times 2, + liquid frostbyte, + DI tube makes for alot of fun.
I'll come over your house lol :D
Your already setup!!
I have 2x256 XMS3500 that seem to love up to 3.8v, 2x256 LE 431's, a prommy and some other stuff if ya interested in doing some runs.
PM me if ya interested.
m
that's interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
it's the other way round for me..................Opti165 is a T chip and 1.52-53v is sort of max...........this 3800+ is an N chip and it seems it can handle past 1.55v on stock cooler
Got all that stuff covered although im lacking in the 2x 512mb department for testing on this board, all i have is a set of speed binned pc 3200 UCCC. Also lacking in the opteron department. I really need to test opty OC with 1/1 memory as grouper tended to struggle with ocing memory with opty's. Prommy would be cool though as one of my mach 1's goes in for mods monday.
I have 2x512 Twinmoss UT, unfortunately my Opty 148 is a Cab2e.
I've never really pushed this UT.
I also have a NC 3500+ ( which SEEMS to be a POS, at least on air), and a winny 3000+ ( which is Prolly a pos under cold ).
Edited for content
Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
N chip. Notice the voltage rating. T chips are 1.35 default.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8646/4600b5zg.jpg
Thats ok I got high end water and air also. PM sentQuote:
Originally Posted by muzz
Prommy is a mach1, great for a vcard.
Chew,
Set me up with some nice cooling for my sealed 165 UPMW #0069 :D :toast: :toast: :D
Kaiser most likely what i have here is to cold for that OPTY. Although i do have a high end beginner water setup......if the waterblock was swapped out.
Yikes, what hapenned here
http://it-review.net//images/stories...200_test16.jpg
Can you give me the list of components used in that test? Why do i get the feeling that DFI compared they're board to the advantage aka budget version........
http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...439&Itemid=111Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
You are correct it is PC and not PI.
Yah thats not the same review or bench. I want to test with as close to the same components possible........Quote:
Originally Posted by markr
http://www.it-review.net/index.php?o...439&Itemid=111Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
The above 'review' has to be the worst I have seen in quite a while.
The graphs are inconsistent, appear to be mislabelled (how can you have two graphs labeled 'PCMark 05 CPU Score' with two different results?), and seemingly contain no relevant information...
I cleared my temp internet files caches just to get rid of any residue from that site... very poorly composed indeed.