Does the MacMini use a clock generator like ICS oder Realtek?
If yes, there should be a overclocking-ability, or?
Maybe with Pin-mod or sth. similar?
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Does the MacMini use a clock generator like ICS oder Realtek?
If yes, there should be a overclocking-ability, or?
Maybe with Pin-mod or sth. similar?
Hey Fugger, how did you get on with the XP install here? Any updates?
Yes, ICS PLL chip.
I have not been able to get XP to boot yet, one of the files I needed was un-accessable from the xponmac site for the mini. I need to check again for updates.
Does anybody know if the intel chipset in the mac mini supports SATA port multiplier? I was thinking of hooking up a mini to this:
http://www.addonics.com/products/hos.../ad5sapm-e.asp
it seems like the chipset should support SATA II (and thus port multiplier?), though they only ship it with a SATA I drive (are there even any SATA II notebook drives though?)
CPU upgrade + RAM + 5 drives = killer server, no?
How do you power these drives? Extra PS? I also want to get one mini, but the disc system makes me stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choppaface
I was thinking a picoPSU (if I can find a way to get a power switch on it) or some other miniITXish power supply... don't want to put more load on the mac PSU. I was also thinking of getting an Addonics storage tower and modding it for a case, and that comes with a 220W PSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyl
I will test Merom in the Mini tomorrow.
The forums will erupt again if Merom works. Such a huge upgrade path from a $500 dollar machine.
I win not be able to post any info, images, or benches.
Pretty damn scarey to have this roll up on us so fast and we have not even gotten to abuse the Yonahs yet.
not even a hint on performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I will only confirm if its works or doesnt.
I beleive you should edit your post FUGGER FAST (about rosie)!! Before any other rosetta person freaks! Back on topic, cant wait to see the results.
SATA II doesn't mean a controller supports port multiplication. No motherboard SATA ports that i know of support it as of yet, PCIe/PCI-X cards are just now getting the capability first and it will trickle down eventually, but I am almost positive that the mini does not support port multiplication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choppaface
blast! thats too bad... thanks for the info, you saved me a few hundred bucks in hardware :DQuote:
Originally Posted by birdman666
i guess its off to miniITX land if I want an equivalent server...
I went and bought a 1.5 iMM and intel 2.16 #BX80539T2600SL8VN. when i tried to boot up mini I got nothing! put 1.5cpu back in all is working fine! does anyone have any clues?
tia
Serpent
It is possible to drop in Merom into Mini, one hell of an upgrade path.
confirming this is a working combo, just drop the chip in.
that's awesome, I can't wait for price to drop to upgrade mine :)
I know that you can't post any info, can you at least tell us how long it takes in rosetta to complete a work?
ps : i've been trying to make it run under osx x86 but i don't know what command line to use, can you help me ?
~ 42K Rosetta
The key is to make a good boot CD and getting the xponmac installed.
When you hold ALT I think you get a boot menu to select boot device. Are you getting that far?
I'm trying to make Rosetta run from OSX using darwin
42K that's a nice bench
This is the CPU that came out of the Mini, stepping 8 yet has SL9 designation.
Fugger, i'm in the process of upgrading my mini to 2,16 GHz like you did, i upgraded the mini with 2 GIG of RAM , a 100 GB 7200 rpm Drive and a Pioneer DVR-K06. Everything seems to work flawless so far, tomorrow i will get the ES 2,16 GHz dual-core CPU and will drop in this last part of my update.
Hope it works! Some picts and maybe a .mov which shows how to replace the cpu will be posted on the web soon.
Any recommendations for extra-cooling or is there nothing more needed?
Thanks for this great thread, will point back to your forum in my posts.
-- bernie
It will be fine, the fan is on auto and will adjust to what it feels is needed on the fly.
Does that mean that Conroe might work as well?
Could you benchmark it with Merom in your mini? That's really an exciting news!Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Rosetta
Yonah 38K @ 2.16Ghz
Merom 42K @ 2Ghz
That is all I ran other than system info
I think intel mini owners will be thankful for your adventures.:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
And the distributed processesing community as well. Showing how strong they are will surely attract buyers for low cost, low power, dual processor nodes.
Thanks FUGGER for this great work again!
Since about 2 hours my mini runs with a core duo 2,16 GHz, absolutly flawlessly, im very happy with it!
And it is very speedy now!
If someone wants me to do some benchmarking please respond and tell me how to do it, i think it would be very informative to have benchmarks for a mac min core duo 2,16 GHZ with 2 GIG RAM and a 7200 rpm drive (100 GIG).
thats my exact setup I will try to do some bench marks over this weekend
can the macbook pro, the mac mini or the imac be overclocked?
is it possible to copy the firmware from the 2.18 to the 1.83?
or can you get into the EFI and clock it from there? or is it a hardware transistor on the motherboard?
I would like to know! PLEASE!:toast:
Did you need to use PatchBurn to get the DVR-K06 to work?Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie_the_one
No Patchburn needed for me. Starting from an OSX CD works great, Burning in the Finder or TOAST works, iTunes works, iDVD not tested yet. DVD-RAM works via Disk-Utility and Finder, so nothing more needed for me..Quote:
Originally Posted by kaidomac
Hello
Did someone tryed the new firmware for the mac mini? Can we still change the processor or did Apple blocked it??
No Problem here, Firmware and update to 10.4.6 runs smoothly. WIN XP flys under the 2.16 dual mini with BootCamp!Quote:
Originally Posted by faquin
can you run some benches in xp with the mini?Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie_the_one
yes please do!
Tell me what bench-programs and who to load and what to do then i will tell you how is it going...Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreek
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Can you tell me where you got yr DDR2 SODIMM to DIMM adapters - I am after some to test some SODIMM's on my DFI 915P board.
I have them at my office but if you can find the image, call the phone number printed on them so they can send you updated catalog.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie_the_one
I'd love to see XBench results! Thanks!
http://xbench.com/
FUGGER, the datasheet shows that the Core CPUs use BSEL encoding for BCLK frequency, so a simple wire in the socket mod should do the trick to overclock the CPUs.
133 (533) and 166 (667) are clearly marked, with two other options set as "RESERVED". 10 to 1 the two reserved are 200 (800) and 266 (1066) frequencies.
Would you be willing to try this?
@FUGGER
how do you test sodimm mem @ p5wd2?
does it work if i simply plug it?
do you have a scheme of so-dimm programmer? i know where to find ddr1 one, but not so-dimm ((
Fugger,
I have a stupid question for you.
Is the upgrade plug n play?
My friend is working at intel and probably able to get me a cheap core duo chip.
I really don't know anything beyond normal usage of the computer.
I need a core duo mini to play HD movie.
If it is truely plug n play, I definately want to upgrade it.
Thanks
You just have to open the mini, disassmble the inside, remove the heatsink, switch cpu and reassemble everything. It's as simple as that
Its just plug and play.
I would suggest researching the dissassembly of the mini before doing so, having pictures to where the clips will save you a lot of time and damage to the case.
Thanks for the answer,
One more question.....
do you guys think $155 for a 1.83Ghz core duo is a good deal?
I wish I could get a 2.0, but 1.83 is what I can get.
Thank you
FUGGER
any news on installing xp on mac?
was in apple center here in moscow today. everything ran smoothly. could even play nfs:mw ))
Here is a good video of the process of disassembly:
http://media.macsales.com/videos/min...l/highres.html
how many hdds can i plug into mini?
which ones are they?
Only one spot for hard drive and nothing else.
@fugger
can some more spots be brazed on mobo? no expansion slots in mini like pci, right?
Nothing more can be put in it but if it were possible to get clock gen on it and overclock it, I know I could get a waterblock on the CPU and lines run out the back where the air passage is.
Internally, there is only room for one 2.5" SATA drive. However, if you're up for some modding, you can do better than that. Serpent and I have been working on various adapters for both the ATA and SATA busses. You can actually use a single 3.5" SATA drive on the SATA bus and up to 2 slimline or full-sized ATA drives on the ATA bus. You can also use 2.5" ATA hard drives on the ATA bus if you wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by \Karting_freak
SATA: Single 2.5" or 3.5" SATA hard drive (no SATA optical drive that I know of supports OS X yet)
ATA: Single or dual 2.5" or 3.5" ATA hard drive, slimline optical drive, or 5.25" optical drive
Getting the SATA adapter is a piece of cake, but the ATA connector is a real pain. It involves a special part from China as well as a couple other adapters and some custom fabrication. We'll post more info once we get things nailed down if you want.
kaidomac
tnks for that info!
but i think i need to use another psu to run single sata drive ((
or atleast mod standard one ))
I see three options here:Quote:
Originally Posted by \Karting_freak
1. Run the drive from the Mini (maybe; depends on the wattage requirement of the 3.5" SATA drive you use)
2. Use a power supply (moddable to switched or relay-start)
3. Use an external hard drive enclosure's power supply (easiest solution)
Personally, I am going to try running a PSU off a relay with the Mini since I will be powering a couple other drives as well.
To Fugger, Serpent, and the rest of you with processor upgrades: has the heat significantly increased due to the processor upgrade? The reason I ask is because I'd like to pick up a 13.3" MacBook, if Apple really does release them, and I'm sure they're not going to come stock with a 2ghz or 2.16ghz Core Duo option. I don't want to melt the chassis with an upgrade, so I'm hoping that the added heat is nominal enough to perform the upgrade successfully.
kaidomac, wait until the macbook is release to see if a cpu upgrade is possible, my bet is that the cpu will be soldered to the mobo like the macbook pro
Yup, it's soldered according to iFixit and other sources. Not a big deal, however, since they offer it with a 2ghz Core Duo. I think I'm going to wait until the second release of the MacBooks to pick on up, however. So far I have heard the following complaints: whining on AC while charging, "mooing" sound from the fans spinning up and down quickly, sharp edges in the wrist area, and heat issues (most likely from the excessive thermal paste application). I'm sure there are a few more that I'm not remembering right now, but that's enough to make me wait. Going to start on my super Mini project though; I'll post back when I complete it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by antipop
anyone try a Merom in a Mini?
Fugger did and it worksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
Nice work FUGGER!
This may be a good way for me to test the water in the Mac area without spending too much.
Meroms are due out next week. Pricing is supposed to be as follows:
$600+ - T7600 (2.33GHz)
$423 - T7400 (2.13Ghz)
$294 - T7200 (2.00Ghz)
2.33ghz Merom + 32gb Samsung flash drive + uncapped GMA950 = :) Hurry up hackers!
Kaidomac, how did you fit a 3.5" drive into there?
I want to see that!Quote:
Originally Posted by kaidomac
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaidomac
Link :stick:
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/06...utex/index.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
If you like that, check out PQI's SSD offering, due in August:Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2763
Definately hot!
I didn't :) There's no way a Mini could fit a 3.5" drive stock. You can either buy an external enclosure, such as the MiniStack, or do what I'm doing and pick up a full-sized case to put everything in. You just need the appropriate adapters for everything. PM me if you're interested in a project like this, I'll give you more info!Quote:
Originally Posted by couppi
I bit the bullet and picked up a 2ghz T2500 Core Duo. Implant was successful; thanks Fugger for pioneering the way! After a few minutes with both cores running at max, my Mini got up to a comfortable 83C, a few degrees under most 2ghz MacBook Pros at max. Fan hardly made any noise at this temp; fan was dead silent at the rest of the temps (about 60F). Very happy with the upgrade; looking forward to a 2.33ghz Merom with 4mb l2 in the future.
Oh, I also made an installation video; I'll post it when I get it all cleaned up and compressed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaidomac
Thanks, I'd love to see that!
I should have it up by this weekend. I have a new mic coming in for my computer so I can do some voiceovers. It's just 320x240 off my digital camera, so it's a little dark, but it's easy to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
Any pics appreciated!Quote:
Originally Posted by kaidomac
after a conversion the fan is always on full power ( even with CPU "cold" ) - I checked both the HDD temp probe an CPU temp probe connectors and both appear to have a a good connection.
Myabe somehow one of the probes is internally broken - or is there something else that could cause this? Any other suggestions to look into - ALSO suggestionswhere and what repacement probes to get???
The connector next the battery at the front of the case controls fan speed. If you disco that lead it will force the fan to high speed.
Hi Fugger,
Do You think I can change the Core Solo processor in my Mac Mini for a Merom Core 2 Duo?
I think that the 1.5GHz Core Solo belongs to the Yonah brand, so It should work fine... or not?
Would It be just plug 'n play? Or would I have to do any other changes in the system?
In terms of CPU model numbers, it came with a T1300 and you replaced it with a T7400?
[edit] Whoops, I see in the original article you replaced it with a T2600. But Meroms have been implanted successfully? What about heat?
Any ASP screenshots for the Core 2 Duo?
Knux that is what I did back in March. I dropped in a Merom without any problems at all.
Missed that one! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Any suggestions as to how to remedy this? I just snapped one off and I dont have a spare board lying around. Is there an aftermarket copper kit that might work in place of?
Any help would be much appreciated.
-SS
FUGGER!!!
nice work mate
im gonna need to bug you for some info.
have you tried 2gb ddr2?
is there any complication installing a larger 2.5" hdd?
:D pls show Merom pic :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Not sure if I have one out of the system.
hihi... I have just add Merom for my Macmini
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/Core2Duo.jpg
:D thanks @FUGGER :toast: :toast:
Can this upgrade be applied to the current MAC Mini models??
Has anyone taken one apart to see if the newer dual core 1.66 and 1.8 models are soldered down or in a socket as the old singles?
A new dual 1.66GHz models go for 599. Where as older 1.5Ghz models are still ebaying for 500 on average. Doesn't seem worth getting an older one, but would like to keep the option open for a future upgrade of course.
Anyone know?
Thanks!
-Charles
Theyre in a socket, and are upgradable to the Core2 duo (Merom) versions up to 2.33 clocks.
I'd get a 1.5 core solo for +-$400 on ebay and upgrade to a 2.16 - 2.33 Merom. 2.16 Merom are on ebay for $350 making the grand total $750. Sure beats a 1.83 Coreduo for $799.
-SS
i got a 1.5 for about 350 from a compusa, then a merom off here (2.33) for 450, then put 2GB in it, all for under 1000$, runs great, but the fan spins high, any ideas?
Can anyone confirm, are the new mac minis cpus soldered.
Thanks
350 !!! at Compusa????
Where? When??
I haven't seen one go on ebay for less then 450. I've checked all the completed listings in the past month or so. Plus shipping that usually comes to at least 500. If you see one for 400 email me! cdickinson66 at hotmail dot com
for an extra 99 you can drive to the mac store and buy a new shiny one. And if the new ones are socketed then I can upgrade that
So I guess back to the original question:
Has anyone apart a new one to see if it is soldered or socketed?
Thanks Guys!
-Charles
Make sure that black wire near the front rightof the mini stays connected when you put it back together. Then upgrade the firmware again (should let you after cpuupgrade) and you should be goldenQuote:
Originally Posted by psyconut713
Also.. Pram reset helps (windows-alt-p-r during bootup)... let it ding at least 3 times.
The T7600 will be here next week along with 200GB HD ( its not easy finding a SATA 2.5 Drive) and the 2GB of RAM
I'm trying to souce a Copper heat sink ( willing to commision one) since the product I use on the top of the chips will eat the Aluminum up.
also trying to find out if here is a way of using 2 2GB sodimms the mac book pro can have up to 3.5GB of ram so I'm looking to what they are using.
the chip is not sodered in its a socket.
will also see if once the Core 2 Duo is in if I can enable the WIFI "N" I'm using the new airport extreme and it will support a,b,g, and N only on Core 2 Duo
Also looking to change the siliver anodiesed case to maybe a blue or a red.
I will keep you posted with pictures..
the goal is to have a mini in a Zeor case with a 23" monitor for presentions..
anyone have a good lead on the video upgrade?
TIP: to open the case you can use a pizza cutter or use a pice of blue spring steel its very very thin yet very strong. or you can also us the can opener form a swiss army knife ( yes it works very thin edge to it)
thansks for all the hard work for thoughs who have forged the path be me.
Dennis
ok its been upgraded with a T7600 2.33 proc and two 1GB mem chips and I also thur in an air port extreme 'N' card while I was in there.. I decided not to install a new hard drive yet.
the card has only one antnena on it so its not that fast only 130MB as you can see I will try to get another one to add to the one that is allready in there.
http://www.pedini.com/clientuploads/...cminiwithn.JPG
DP
I was going to ask if it is possible to put in a 2.8Ghz processor, since the 2.33Ghz ones are no longer available.
But then I bought a 2.8Ghz Pentium D processor, and the heatsink it comes with is HUGE! Also, it is in a metal case, not a bare silicon chip like the 1.66Ghz model.
Anyway, I decided to sell the CPU and instead get a laptop. But I'm curious: can the 2.8Ghz CPU with the aluminum case be used in a 1.66Ghz Mac Mini?
No. Different socket too....actually, lots of reasons why it won't.
EDIT: you can use a Merom though.
The box says this is socket 775. The Mac Mini has socket 775.
What is Merom? Neither the chip boxes nor the online searches show "merom", so it's hard to find them to buy them or price them.
There's Pentium D, there's Core Duo, there's Core 2 Duo, it's a zoo of names and acronyms.
The Mac Mini is not LGA775. It is socket 479. Merom is a mobile Core 2 Duo.
hey there,
have just got my mac mini up to a t2500 2 GHZ and 2 GB ram. It is very fast thanks for the excellent guide. One question though, under load the CPU ambient temperature rises to about 80/81 'C is this normal and ok or will it cause permanent damage? The actual core temperature reads normally about 5-8 'C less but still seems high, just wanted to check if its overheating or if it is ok?
I know you can also unplug the black wire t put the fan on full speed but is that gonna screw up the fan after a while?
Any help appreciated, and thanks again for the great guide,
DW9.
I'm really getting the upgrade itch. I have a Core Duo Mac Mini; I know that the newer Core 2 Duo Minis support up to 4GB RAM (~3.3GB recognized and usable), but that isn't enough for me to warrant an upgrade. I'd really love to see the Santa Rosa platform come to the Mini.
The rumors I've heard say that a new Mini or "Cube 2" will be released by February 2008 at the latest; it's supposed to have some kind of gaming or dedicated video card. The two rumors I've heard are either a beefed up Mini or a Cube 2 with a little more space. I'll take either one! :D
Hi all, sorry to be late to the party.
What is the current state of upgrades for Mac Minis?
Am I right in assuming the limiting issues are the form factor (socket) and bus speed (667Mhz)?
So historically the T7600 (2.33Ghz) is the fastest chip we can use but in reality it's the T7400 (2.16Ghz) as the T7600 is no longer made?
My current Mac Mini is a 1.83Ghz Core Duo. What sort of performance jump can I expect from a 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo?
I'm running the 2.0GHz Merom in my Mini and it was a nice, noticeable, boost from my 1.66GHz Core Duo.