i guess you didn't read my first post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
i can do 2-2-2 at 200mhz, but not a whole lot more.. not yet at least :toast:
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i guess you didn't read my first post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
i can do 2-2-2 at 200mhz, but not a whole lot more.. not yet at least :toast:
edited with a quote due to page transition :p:
Ozzi would you recomend this ram for gaming?
an earlier post stated that get this kinda ram benching and other types for gmaing, why would that be? Latencies?
I game at 2.5-3-2-5 on these, I dont see how 3-3-3-8 would affect FPS that much more, especially if there clocking at around 290 300ish would they..
Can someone clarify this for me, I think I got it but im not really sure..
Hmmm, actually i don't see any reason, why this RAM wouldn't go for gaming. Unless there are realiabillity issues, like with '-5B D'. It's a dream 2GB kit for everything.. DDR600 @ 3-3-3-x equals around 255MHz @ 2-2-2-x (imagine having 4x512MB UTT stable at that frequency..)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Hi, just joined the forums to say that I have some 2gb buffalo value RAM which has micron chips and a BP PCB. My friend has a set too but we're both pretty noob when it comes to OCing RAM and we could only get them stable at like 237 3-3-3-8 1T. I could boot windows at 245 3-4-4-8 1T 2.93v but it was completely unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
The chips are rebadged though so I can't tell what they actually are. They're in my system at the moment so I did my best to look at the mem chips and write down what buffalo wrote.
BUFFALO
ME46512043MDXP
0551TX-403
And here's a pic of the ram itself I took last week (I'm still working out how to use this camera :)).
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1029/buffalo9ef.jpg
You reckon these sticks have some hidden potential and we just aren't ocing em right? Or just different micron which don't OC all that well. Also at stock speeds I could only get 2.5-3-3-8 stable, where SPD is 200 3-3-3-8.
edit: We got them off ebay thinking they'd be standard buffalo, never buying off ebay again, what you're getting is NEVER in the picture. And both me and my friend have DFI NF4 Ultra-D, he's got opty 146 and I got 144. I'm using 704-2BTA and he's using 623-3.
I'm going to take a stick out to get a proper photo, brb.
Try 2-2-2-5 @ 200.. Ozzi's kit can handle that.. This could give some hint, if they are equipped with the same ICs or not..Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyyy
Last time I tried that, it either beeped or wouldn't boot. I guess I can give it a go now, but here's a couple more photos which might help decipher if they're the same or not?
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5990/buffalo22ig.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/264/label7ma.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2346/bp1pm.jpg
edit: Last time I tested I concluded it won't do anything tighter than 2.5-3-3-8 at stock. Just then it beeped at 2-x-x-x and x-2-x-x, it definitely won't do 2-2-2-5. This was with optimised defaults for 704-2BTA. Changing drive strengths didn't help, there's no way this ram can do 2-2-2-5, it can't do ANY of those timings actually.
So doubt its the same stuff?
And that's a big doubt.. Looks like the IC is surely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyyy
Yeah :(, when he said micron -5B F and buffalo value in the same sentence, I was thinking... I've got buffalo value, and they've got micron chips, put two and two together. :D
Is there any way to find out what the chips are on mine? Googled the serial codes and didn't come up with much. Seems pretty poor for micron+bp hehe.
edit: and while I walk away in shame :), can I get a quick recommendation on what voltage to go up to? After seeing all those ballistix dieing, I'm a bit weary...
Hrmm. i was gonna jump on some g.skill HZ's but if these are going to be available again in a couple weeks i'll wait. Been very happy with my -5bc 3700EB and these -5bf chips look quite nice.
they most certainly are micron, but i'm gonna bet it's 5b D, not FQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeyyy
have you tried 2.5-3-2? :toast:
I believe I did last time and it either beeped or wouldn't boot, I'll give it a go tomorrow, too tired right now. If it's -5B D, do they usually clock this crap or is it just my poor memory clocking skills. :)
edit: yellow or orange? I've been using yellow basically the whole time. I prefer yellow because orange is right next to the heatpipe on my BT.
eh, i'd blame it on micron having a wide range of yields... some chips are awesome, like the set of crucial value i had way back that did 263mhz, or really crappy, like a few guys i know who couldn't get much over 220mhz :stick:
mm both our buffalo kits perform pretty much exactly the same. Also at 3-3-3 it doesn't scale with volts, but it does with 3-4-4, wierd. With 3-3-3 the more mhz you take it, the more volts it needs. For example, let's pretend it's stable at 245 3-3-3-8 with 2.80v. If you drop it to say 230 3-3-3-8 with 2.80v it's no longer stable, and needs 2.60v instead.
At 3-4-4 it behaves like bh5 where it likes the volts, but I'm not sure how much it can handle so the max I usually go is 2.9 + 0.03.
Got any quick tips relating to secondary timings, like how does having 0 cycle idle limit help?
edit: Did some more tests, it's doing 2.5-3-2-5 right now :D, must've had the sticks the other way around (current config is better) when it'd only do 2.5-3-3-7. It boots with 2.5-2-2-5 but POST occasionally freezes and memtest gets infinite errors in #5. Beeps with cas of 2, just doesn't like that. Still, 2.5-3-2-5 isn't bad, almost like infineon timings if I bump that cas to 3 for 3-3-2-5 hehe.
Well, we put that up because here is what I my contact at Team wrote told me the other day (Direct quote):Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
So, take that as you will. We put the warning up just to "cover all the bases."Quote:
...The micron based cronus is a limited edition memory and I dont think we are able to make too many of it , plus the CHIP is already END OF LIFE. Therefore please either take off that item or encourage buyer to buy another model
Now, that doesn't mean they aren't shipping ANY, it just means there won't be much... maybe.
It's really confusing, because as somone else mentioned, there may well be more down the road, we just don't know. Unfortunately, I can only go by what my rep at Team tells me, and that's thier line right now. I'd take it to mean there will be limited quantities, and that future availability is questionable.
Hello :)
I have some 2x1gig Kingmax memory exactly same chips but week 52.
Now i can run my opty 146 @ 275 and mem @ 1-1 8-3-3-3 / 2T 2.8v
But thing is i cant even run stock mem speeds at 1T and cant run anything but cas 3 :slapass: :slap: :confused:
nice stestan. i'm gonna bet the 1T problems are coming from that mobo of yours though ;)
I Will try in my other mobo when i get home from work 11pm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
awesome, good luck :D
i should be getting my new board tomorrow. gotta run a few quick tests on it before i throw the cronus in, but hopefully we'll see good things by saturday :toast:
I have just got to subscribe to this thread. I view everyday in hopes of owning a pair one day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Nice job Mark!! you can also post on the TeamGroup support forum here.:toast:
sweet! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
now i gotta figure out where to post the update to this thread once i get this board pushed to the limit.. :p:
getting there. just gotta get it 32m stable now :p:
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_184.png
I hate to see this:p:
Why did I send the wrong pair:slapass:
:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
So was it the board all along?
Or was it my help that got you there :D ?
they're fun :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
i'd say a combination of both. this board might take a while to get used to, but i'd say it's definitly making a difference so far. gotta switch bioses though, that was with the stock bios on the board, 6-23 i think :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Good to hear :toast: AD0? From where?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
yup, newegg. it's got brown caps though :fact:
in germany i can only find those sticks
http://www.overclockers.de/produkt.php?pid=1760&kat=267
they only have ch6 no Micron in germany :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Either KZG( the brown ) or Nichicon would do the job; especially KZG is about the same level with Rubyconn:)
i have to say, no complaints here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
just curious that they changed the caps from the black that the AD0 used to be to brown.. without a revision change? i guess the board itself is exactly the same, but then i have to wonder what the difference is between this and my AC0, which has the same layout for the richtek chip :confused:
http://www.computergiants.com/items/...bsubcatid=2245
are these the same
No I think those are UCCC based. The micron based 2gig kit is rated at PC4000 3-3-3-8Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
Your board is made in Taiwan, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
china actually. same with my AC0 :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
ADO = Better stability correct?
Does this go the same for ultra-d
expert
infinity?
Im pretty sure it does I just want my expert to be AD0 if ths is the case..
stable meaning all settings or beter caps=better, less fluxuating voltages?
Only the Ultra-D models are rev AD0. Different boards have different revisions. The old SLI-DR is up to AC0 and the Expert is at Ab0 right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
This good be the next best thing since cruicals ballistic :D
mmmm, randomly set to 290mhz, who thinks i can get a 300mhz screen out of 32m stable? :toast:
(check out that voltage! :D)
Oh man you've got to be kidding me. 2.51v for 290??
Holy crap batman!!
Go 300!!
that's the problem. voltage does sooooo little for these sticks. i'm having trouble getting 295mhz with 2.8v :p:
gonna try loosening some secondaries and see if it gets me anywhere :D
Too bad more v doen't equate to more fsb like normal.
Very Nice OC's though. I can't wait to get mine!!
Ten little FSB to go. The magic ten though!!
Did I read somewhere that you are from Exton?
I live in York :-D
nope, Ac-0is good for high fsb;) check the chipset date code out;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
ad0 is good for stability;)
Amazing scaling at such low volts. I vote for 3.2volts hehe. Keep up the awesome work.
OT OPB you get any of my pm's?
There ARE rev AD0 Sli-DR's. No Expert AD0's as they haven't reached that revision yet.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
That was me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by klrgreenis
And that is really amazing, 2.5v for 290 :eek:
Haha I knew it was someone:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
I know 2.5v damn throw 3.2 at that puppy :woot:
Speaking of which what the the voltage specs for that ram?
I don't recall seeing them anywhere...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
Huh, I just ordered some as well, just checked the sight again looking for voltage info and it's gone:confused:
Maybe they are sold out of the ones that they had on order aka backorder??
Edit: just got an email from TANK explaining.
5b F is a 95nm ic. not much voltage is needed. for me, it seems anything over 2.8v hurts my max sPI 32mQuote:
Originally Posted by klrgreenis
this is with 2.73v. the cool thing is that i can actually do stuff at these speeds. with my old board, i had to drop mhz like 10-15mhz below max 32m stable to even use FF :slapass:
I can't find these sticks anywhere :(
What did the email say?Quote:
Originally Posted by klrgreenis
I actually cancelled my order of these, but my Team UCCC order just shipped :) Fedex sucks though and it won't be here until March 3 supposedly :(
Finally, thank you Mark!!http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9962/doh9kj.jpg :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
though your thread from way back when confuses me, when you were running 8m at 3.0v. granted, this AD0 is a lot different than my AC0, where 2.5v got me the best results when it came to real world stability and running 32m. most likely the board is making the difference between our optimal setups? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
ps- that's a really funny smiley :toast:
Just that they were on backorder and if I wanted to cancel or keep them on backorder. What a great supplier though. I have sent emails back and forth about 5 times. Their customer service is great!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
What is this team UCCC order that you speak of??
^^^LOL nevermind it just hit me :-D^^^
Yeah, I agree Tankguys is awesome
Let us know if you ever get your micron set!
i would buy it at once. but noone got it in germany:slapass:
Yea I think that it is going to be VERY limited here as well.
Isn't there a porsche plant in Stuttgart?
cmon OZZ a few more mhz and im a happy camper..
Im glad mine are ordered from tankguys, eventhough they wont ship for about another week or so I dont really mind I guess, I just want em..
I got my 0550 170 other day and am patiently waiting for the rest of my order b4 we play :)
somethings telling me I should sell this dam 7800 and try for a 1900 now im not really into all that SLI and CF as of yet..
unless I find a nice evga 7800 really cheep cheep :)
trust me, i won't have a peaceful mind until i get there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
klrgreenis, kinda ot, but there is indeed :D
Ozzi, your almost there. Did I just see a 295? :-D
OT: I thought so!! Maybe I can get the joker to send me some parts for my Audi :-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Philosophy, when did you order yours?
I'm at the end of the line. I just hope that they get enoug in to fill my order.
of course :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by klrgreenis
ordered on 21st guarenteed to get them by ben, so lets all just pray..
I really want this set..
I had ballistix ordered, but after mark posted this I wa slike whoaaaa..
-5b that isnt gonna die in a week, Im knocking on wood as we speak, because I hear the expert is notorious for killing sheetz :P
Not my beloved 0550 upmw or cronus, I wanna play toooo..
that looks like some incredible ram. 300htt @ 3-3-3? wow
Ah so you must be at the begining of the pack. I think that there are a few sets arriving this week from what Erik said. Good Luck!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
I am just hoping that they get enough to fill my order ;)
Good stuff:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilCloudStrife
it's good compared to what we've been getting used to, but it still has a touch to go to catch up with the best ballistix sticks.. ;) (though i guess it's hard to say how good my pair are in the grand scheme of things)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilCloudStrife
me too, i'm using it at 290mhz with 2.73v now though, for normal computer usage. gonna try to push some more for that 300mhz mark later today if i can find some time :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
so far it's been about 2 months, still going strong. i think it's safe to say that 5b F is not effected like 5b D is :toast:
I still havent seen any 3D stability. Thay are worthless if not 3D stable.
So my Ballistix died on me this past friday. Really sucked. I called crucial today and got my rma number. They informed me that this is a new batch they are using for reserve that has supposedly fixed the issues everyones been having. Also, when I asked what they were planning to replace the PC4000 line...the lady told me that they will be releasing a new pc3200 set "bigger and better" she said... I then promptly corrected her stating "well if they are pc3200, they are actually slower and worse, but nice try! ;) "
Anywho, I'll do a little report on these next week when they come in.
Hmm Tankguys took it off their site...after I placed an order. Does that mean I got the last EXPECTED set?
I really kinda confuse, well well, it might be just the big surprise the ram is too popular for TeamGroup to prepare their 1st batch ;) I can't say how much they have, but enough for take order though.
No, it's a bug in their shop system. It'll be back up once Ben sees it.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
and here I thought I was special. I gotta stop with this memory thing. I'm trying to clear some ram and here I am ordering stuff again.
Same thing happend to me. I dont think they know exactly how many or when they are comin. we can only keep our fingers crossed. i would really like some 3d stability tests and 3dmark Scores to make me feel better. Somebody give ozz a Vid Card plz...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
Ouch! They died already, didn't you just get them a couple of weeks ago Enjoy?
Around 6-7 weeks ago I'd say. Sucks eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRiT
Mine are now unstable at stock settings after only 2 weeks :stick: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
I guess hoping for this 290fsb kit to last a couple months was asking too much :p:
i'll work on it. it seems to be prime stable at 295.9mhz using the settings shown earlier with that 296.7mhz sPI 32m shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
any suggestions for what i should use as a stability bench? keep in mind that my video card is a gf4mx... no 3dmark05 or 06. aquamark seriously takes ~1/2 hour, so i'd rather not run that...
enjoy.. :(
i guess it was bound to happen eventually. best of luck with the replacements. i've seen a few sticks using the .16TD1 ending, i think crucial did something to the PCB on those sticks.
I'll most likely test and sell the replacements. In my main rig, I can't afford an unreliability. That's for the test bench... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
yeah, i know what you mean. so much of a hassle :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
keep an eye out for that .16TD1. i can't make any promises, but i've yet to see any (about 3?) of those fail over at [H] yet
i have some .16td1 ballistix that came from rma last week. they are running right now at 278mhz at 2.54v shown in systool, bios says 1.56v they can go up to 295 -300mhz on that voltage depending on some timing tweaks, but right now im running it 1:1 with my opty 170 using 10x multi hope these suckers last cuz i hate the redline mushies i have thay cant do anything over 255mhz at any timing but they are fast i give em that. well ill c what happens with these
295.9mhz got en error in the prime95 blend test after just under 4 hours (left it running last night as i went somewhere), so i'm currently priming at 295.17mhz ;)
I just recived this message from tank guys :
We are very unlikely to get enough memory to cover this order. We're placing this in back-order status so that you will at least have a place in line, should more arrive. Please note, however, that at this point we have no ETA, and it's very likely we will not be able to fill this order. We're trying to get more shipped in from the Taiwan plant of Team, but we cannot promise any dates are any availability.
I'll be keeping an eye on their site and here for any changes. /me cries!
This sucks :mad:
I need a set of 2GB YESTERDAY, and these are defn. the top sticks out there right now. Guess I have no choice but to buy the HZ's :( Which I don't like much.
just email teamgroup's sales and see if you can get a pair directly?
Yea OCZ coming out with similar sticks so I guess I will wait for those instead.
haha, I emailed teamgroup about ordering a set directly about 2 weeks ago, before tankguys had them. Still no response
BTW Team does have other stuff besides the Micron, I checked tankguys today and saw 2 new sets of Infineon PC4000 2GB, one 2.5-4-4-8 and one 3-3-2-8. If the 2.5-4-4-8 is really Infineon, it would probably do 2.5-3-2-6 at stock speeds :confused:
And of course they have the UCCC, I actually cancelled my Micron set (I was probably the first order, but I want to do 4GB sometime) and bought a set of this :) I will have a new thread on Saturday with some preliminary 32m numbers
I posted in TemGroups forums about purchasing direct. No reply yet. I posted this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/i...?showtopic=142
all right, good luck ;)
also, i figure 6 hours of prime95 blend is enough. haven't had any suggestions as to what i should do for 3d testing, but i think if i can do 6 hours of blend, it'll take any game i can throw at it :D
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_186.png
also been working on 32m. maybe i should give it a go when my room is really cold. 2.8v got me an extra mhz :woot:
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_187.png
ps- for those who wonder why my tras is at 1.... it helps stability a weeee smidge. *shrug*
;)
Damn SSooo close.
Not necessarily, I have to tweak my TREF and drive strength to hell before I can be stable in games, even after 24 hours of blend. This is with 2 different ultra-ds, 2 different dual core opties, and 2 different sets of ram (ballistix/hz)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
blend is a really poor way to test stability. I was 48hr stable on blend yet only 39hr stable on in-place large ffts. Also for me OCCT ALWAYS works for testing stability. I know that if I fail the 30 minute test from OCCT, there is no point in running prime.
Ozzi, try dram idle timer = 16 clocks. I found with my ballistix it was not only faster but more stable. Give it a try.
Sucks 2b us who want these sticks :(Quote:
We appreciated your interest for our cronus series 2GB kit with micron chip module. Unfortunately, the reseller/distributor you contacted in US wasn't lying about the limited supply on this particular ram. I promise www.tankguys.com to delivery the parts by mid of March; feel free to check with them next week. I apologize about the frustration that you been through to get it, and we are trying the best we can to solve the problem.
Best Regards,
Robin Tan
Peripheral Product Manager
well, get to work on suggesting something that will prove stability to you instead of saying what won't? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
messing with the ICL now. thanks for the tip, 000 used to be fastest/most stable with my old board, but isn't anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
My ballistix were less stable with 0 and 256, and much more stable with 16.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Unfortunately I don't think there's anything you can do but play games to prove 100% stability. With certain configs I can pass memtest, prime, spi, memtest for windows, occt, any 3d benchmark. I even left a 64 player CSS server with 63 bots+me on overnight and it was fine in the morning. I went to play and 15 minutes later freeze :mad:
it's helping a bit. tried all of em from 256 to 000, and 016 was indeed the best. not enough to push me to that 300mhz mark.. it's more of a "feels" more stable. sPI runs are lasting a few extra loops, that kinda thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
hmm, guess it's time to install warhammer 40k and play a few missions then. good thing it's finals week ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
Although I am not a fan of Micron that is a pretty good set of sticks..
Too bad you can't buy them in the states..
^You can, tankguys has them, just unsure of how many they'll be able to get
Team isn't making them for long..
NO you can't because those are micron chips and there are absolutely ZERO Team micron chips on this pageQuote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
http://www.tankguys.biz/memory-pc4000-c-46_86_93.html
there is Infineon and Samsung but NO Micron..