First Look: Teamgroup 2x512MB PC4000 BH-5

Well, it seems as if I wasn't using enough Vcore on my cpu. I threw in another 0512 (thx FCG) and found that it took a lot more vcore to be running these HTT's stable. I've got a couple more results, but I really don't think I want to push the Vmem any further since it IS, of course, UTT :p:

DDR550, 3.7+.03Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...5/13x2758m.jpg


For the life of me, I couldn't get 32m to even come CLOSE to completing. It probably has a little to do with the fact that I REFUSE to run sloppy timings. Basically, this is about as loose as you'll ever see me run LL memory:

DDR560, 3.8Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...5/13x2801m.jpg

Here's the obligatory screenie @ 3.8Vmem :p: :
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...3x287Valid.jpg

This just about wraps up my preview of these sticks. I may try a few more runs when I get a very special cpu in on Tuesday or so. But all in all, these sticks performed better than I could have possibly imagined. Although they may be a couple of weeks away from release, they definately seem to be worth the wait......

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I ordered a set of 4000's from Computergiants. Will post back
1) if I get them
2) how they clock

Who knows when the big boys will get them.

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What's the status on your order?

Very nice memory stephen, wouldn't mind having a set like that. ;)

that's good RAM steven

Thx guys....the memory's capable of benching even higher, but I'm not gonna try any more voltage, at least for the time being....;)

would the memory controller perform any different under different cooling.....if all stable...............................hmmm let me rephrase that.......could you repeat those results (RAM MHz) on air with lower multiplier of course

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would the memory controller perform any different under different cooling.....if all stable...............................hmmm let me rephrase that.......could you repeat those results (RAM MHz) on air with lower multiplier of course

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If anything, the memory controller would perform better on air @ a lower multiplier ;)

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If anything, the memory controller would perform better on air @ a lower multiplier ;)

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so what are you waiting for :D

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so what are you waiting for :D

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Another board and FX57 since I generally don't like to run on air with my mobo fully insulated :p: I may pull the expert out and test to see if it's "healed" itself, also - I've got to test a board I'm sending Ozzimark - so maybe.........

:clap: Good job, hope the ones I get can do as good. Were they getting very hot at 3.8? What active cooling were you using on them?

TMF, I am going to call them tomorrow and see if they know anymore.

Thanks for sharing your results, Steven :toast: Looks good :up:

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:clap: Good job, hope the ones I get can do as good. Were they getting very hot at 3.8? What active cooling were you using on them?

TMF, I am going to call them tomorrow and see if they know anymore.

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Running a Sanyo Denkei 120x38mm fan on top of them. Basically, the ram @ 3.8 was barely warm to the touch. It may have a little to do with my autocascade, but generally speaking, these sticks were running cooler than my Twinmos Old Bh5's @ 3.7V....

Were the sticks burnt in, or were these straight out? I think that there is definetly enough left to get 285 benchable.

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Were the sticks burnt in, or were these straight out? I think that there is definetly enough left to get 285 benchable.

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They came only tested for binning purposes.....

Seems like good ram..... now.... try 4x 512M sticks and let us know :fact:

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Seems like good ram..... now.... try 4x 512M sticks and let us know :fact:

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Hmmm...haven't really thought about trying this...maybe I will. Well, I'm pretty confident when I say that 4x512 won't do 280 2-2-2-5 1t :p:

So when do these hit U.S. e-tailers? I NEED ram as I sold my crappy geil and need a new set of good ram. Quick question, Would you go for a set of these or a set of old school lvl 2 blacks? I never had a chance to run the old bh-5 so im not sure how they compare, but I know they sell for a crap load.

thanks

Here are my results (25C room temp :( )

TeamGroup PC-4000 2x512MB UTT BH-5 From overclockers.de

The kit: :D

http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0552.jpg
http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0556.jpg
http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0558.jpg

The results:

3,2v, DDR500, S-Pi 1M, 10x250

[img]http://desertshooter.nl/3,2TG
250klein.png[/img]


3,29v, DDR516, S-Pi 1M, 10x258

http://desertshooter.nl/3,29TG258klein.png


3,37v, DDR523, S-Pi 1M, 10x261

http://desertshooter.nl/3,39TG262klein.png


3,49v, DDR530, S-Pi 1M, 10x265

http://desertshooter.nl/3,49TG265klein.png


3,56v, DDR534 S-Pi 1M, 10x267

http://desertshooter.nl/3,56TG267klein.png


3,75v, DDR554 S-Pi 1M, 10x277

http://desertshooter.nl/3,75TG277klein.png


3,63v, DDR545 S-Pi 32M, 10x272

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273klein.png


3,75v, DDR560 Hexus PiFast, 10x280 :D

http://desertshooter.nl/3,8TG280pfklein.png

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So when do these hit U.S. e-tailers? I NEED ram as I sold my crappy geil and need a new set of good ram. Quick question, Would you go for a set of these or a set of old school lvl 2 blacks? I never had a chance to run the old bh-5 so im not sure how they compare, but I know they sell for a crap load.

thanks

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It all depends - IMO, PROVEN old school, high-clocking lvl2 blacks are almost priceless. But these sticks seem to be a nice buy. Ultimately it's a decision to be made by the buyer ;)

@ Desert Shooter: Nice Results! Now please tell everyone now that my results weren't from "cherry-picked" sticks :D

@DesertShooter
Please post A64 Tweaker screen.
Very nice results indeed.
Dram Cooling?
Opened case?

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@DesertShooter
Please post A64 Tweaker screen.
Very nice results indeed.
Dram Cooling?
Opened case?

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http://desertshooter.nl/a64TG.png

120MM fan, opened case, but it doesn't help much. It's just blowing hot air to the ram :p:

i still cant get any of these, any news steven?? i got harry on msn but havent got any news from him either

The TeamGroup sales office in Cali says they will have some to ship by the end of next week. Shipping is free, so $177 total for the kit.

:D Nice sticks:clap: - but I decided to go with this one :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27032M.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...272Memtest.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27632M.jpg

Coming soon:banana: .........., thanks a lot Jonathan !!!;)

:toast:

Done at 3,57v, see those timings :D

Tras and Trrd @ 0 made no difference
http://desertshooter.nl/25.594klein.png

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The TeamGroup sales office in Cali says they will have some to ship by the end of next week. Shipping is free, so $177 total for the kit.

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These are the guys who will have them first :up: BTW, I believe their website is www.asatek.com .....;)

@HCC: Hmmmmm....interesting sticks!!!:p:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

FIX YOUR LINK :slap: :D

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These are the guys who will have them first :up: BTW, I believe their website is www.asatek.com .....;)

@HCC: Hmmmmm....interesting sticks!!!:p:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

FIX YOUR LINK :slap: :D

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"This domain name expired on 01/19/2006 and is pending renewal or deletion"

:s wrong link?

I really want those in europe now,
I've ordered a pair of 1GB OCZ EL PL which I know clocks up to 300 pretty well, tho at 3-4-4-8, for gaming.
Need a pair of good benching sticks, and these certainly look good.
Aint the ones posted in the pic by DesertShooter exactly those you have reviewed? I see a pair DDR500 on the page he is refering too, but clicking the pick shows the older M400HC2 model. I hope they are just showing the wrong picture, because I wanna order a pair. DesertShooter, can you help out here?

look around Teams forum.
you will find a couple of distributors who may have stock

http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/i...hp?showforum=1

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I really want those in europe now,
I've ordered a pair of 1GB OCZ EL PL which I know clocks up to 300 pretty well, tho at 3-4-4-8, for gaming.
Need a pair of good benching sticks, and these certainly look good.
Aint the ones posted in the pic by DesertShooter exactly those you have reviewed? I see a pair DDR500 on the page he is refering too, but clicking the pick shows the older M400HC2 model. I hope they are just showing the wrong picture, because I wanna order a pair. DesertShooter, can you help out here?

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Maybe i get some kits from u.s to sweden when they gets in stock in u.s. DesertShooter buyed them from the store you are thinking of but i think they got so few so they was sold out fast. Pm if you are intressted.

I saw some sets on ebay... the 3200 tho not the 4000....

I found a swedish distributor and waiting for answers who they distribute too, and if they aren't trustworthy I'll take my shot with viking..

LastViking's a good guy....

:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/100...reem0032re.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/963...reem0044vg.jpg

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

:toast:

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:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

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Frank, that's not the same memory as this ;) Although my sticks were marked SIMILAR to yours (but not the same), the retail kits are rated PC4000......Yours are the PC3200 kits....

273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png

@DesertShooter,

Nice results, but I just can't help asking why your 32M times are so bad... :( Don't get me wrong, on your both 32M runs you should have at least 1 minute better times... Also, can you run same clocks without disabling Dynamic Idle Timer? Thanks!

US web site: http://www.teamresearchinc.com

e-mail: sales@teamresearchinc.com

But they dont sell them on the website

ddr500 bh-5 is not listed yet.
ddr400 bh-5 is listed as in stock at computergiants.com

don't expect newegg like service

http://www.computergiants.com/items/...bsubcatid=2247

say thank you :cool:

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273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png

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Is that PC3200 labeled or PC4000 labeled?

thnak you

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But they dont sell them on the website

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It's not on their site but they are the only US contact that is not a reseller, I have already been in touch with them.

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Is that PC3200 labeled or PC4000 labeled?

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PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.

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PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.

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ddr500 bh-5 is not listed yet.
ddr400 bh-5 is listed as in stock at computergiants.com

don't expect newegg like service

http://www.computergiants.com/items/...bsubcatid=2247

say thank you :cool:

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I've been told that computergiants either has their pc4000 as a misprint/mistake, or they've listed the sticks prior to being allowed to sell them....:confused:

the pc4000 is listed as out of stock and arriving in 1-2 days.
not that i believe them
i really wouldn't know

the link i provided is for the 400mhz parts
they do have a page for 500mhz parts too

here's a link to both.
anyone who has trouble by say pre-ordering the 500mhz parts has only themselves to blame if s7e9h3n's info is right
going by their reseller rating one is asking for trouble but patience and perseverence would make it worth it for those sticks at that price.

http://www.computergiants.com/items/...d=539&catid=52

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@DesertShooter,

Nice results, but I just can't help asking why your 32M times are so bad... :( Don't get me wrong, on your both 32M runs you should have at least 1 minute better times... Also, can you run same clocks without disabling Dynamic Idle Timer? Thanks!

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Thanks, i discovered that my times were very bad indeed... Mayb it's because the screensaver came in after 10min :stick: :P:

I Will try with enabled Dynamic Idle Timer.

Just in case you guys missed my other thread here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=88700,
I ran this memory with my new little cpu :p: Here are some results:

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...4/13x2751m.jpg

USING SAME VMEM AS ABOVE :eek: :

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...4/13x2771m.jpg

A bit faster now:

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...4/14x2701m.jpg

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa.../14x26832m.jpg

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Just in case you guys missed my other thread here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=88700,
I ran this memory with my new little cpu :p: Here are some results:

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OMFG :slobber: THAT CPU SPEED!:eek:

AND MEM SPEED!

Very nice :D

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OMGF :slobber: THAT CPU SPEED!:eek:

AND MEM SPEED! :P

Very nice :D

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TYVM :cool: :toast:
(Thank You Very Much)

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PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.

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Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )

Any idea on how much the PC-3200 kit will cost, looks like a more viable option(to me) than the PC-4000 binned kits.

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Any idea on how much the PC-3200 kit will cost, looks like a more viable option(to me) than the PC-4000 binned kits.

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There's a guy on Ebay selling a few kits right now for ~$135 IIRC.......

Nice clocks & times man :)

MLII won't run 7ns MAL on this Ultra-D.

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Nice clocks & times man :)

MLII won't run 7ns MAL on this Ultra-D.

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In terms of MAL, the sticks do play some part in the latency. But it's dependant moreso on your CPU and mobo....;)

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Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )

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I have tested 2 kits and they are bad..when i say bad i mean the stick have realy problems to make to 260mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v-3.7v+

These sticks behave weird indeed..... With me VX and level II i have no problem booting up to 3.90 vdimm, with the Teamgroup in it wont boot @ 3.8 or above... Ive ran both superpi 1M and pifast @ 265 vdimm 3,70v but memtest will fail pretty soon at anything over 255... I can bench me opteron up to around 3540 (150 divider = 253Mhz) as long as i use the VX or mushkin, with the teamgroup in i cannot make it over 3500 even with the slackiest timings, it wil bsod. I use them for the gaming rig now and they run 240 at 3.33v fine but for benching this aint gonna work im afraid.

so that's the ddr500 xtreem loc.o? i saw another post of yours with a cpu-z shot indicating such.

remember these are not the sam IC's as as VX or level2
these are .175 micron reruns

it would be great if we can figure out what could be changed to improve the performance.
possibly even something as simple as using a different spd chip or changing the quality/value of some of the resistors on the module.
Team will likely seriously consider doing what it takes to improve them.

some ppl can bench at 275mhz with these but it seems not all modules are equal.

where's hipro when you need him :D

Its the PC3200. This is max it will do and its not stable, times are getting worse compared to 265mhz. I dont think there's much to do. Im pretty sure Lastviking is right and the PC3200 stuff are the chips that wouldnt do PC4000 (as they already started binning up for them before the date on me sticks). What i dont understand is why i cannot use over 3.73vdimm with those though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/2673.jpg

they were probably binning all the ones that could do 250 stable on 3.3volts yes.
and i guess one would think there is a weaker IC somewhere that is failing under voltage stress.

i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.

i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.

already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.

imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D

the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.

desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path

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they were probably binning all the ones that could do 250 stable on 3.3volts yes.
and i guess one would think there is a weaker IC somewhere that is failing under voltage stress.

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Probably? More like definately ;) But more than likely, their binning process didn't involve sorting through every single stick produced, rather grouping the IC's by week and then taking a reasonable sized sample from each to determine the speed rating for the sticks.

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i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.

i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.

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Although this sounds like a great idea, it wouldn't be an easy thing to get TEAM to redesign the layout or components on their currently manufactured RAM. It would cost them too much money to revamp a design which is already performing at/above expectations.

Yes, TEAM has a very influential position in the RAM industry. They've been able to secure IC's which many other companies haven't. As a matter of fact, it's rumored that TEAM has bought up the last supply of BH5 IC's and will soon be the only ones in the industry producing sticks based on them ;)

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already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.

imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D

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TCCD is never pushing 4V because the Samsung IC's can't withstand that type of voltage. Put anything over 2.8V into those IC's and they will degrade over time. BH5 IC's, however, are rated to handle upwards of 4.0V, but the problem in the past was finding a PCB which could supply that type of voltage. JEDEC pcb's topped out @ around 3.5-3.6V while BP808 tops out at a higher value (I don't remember what). In fact, BP815 pcb's can handle even more voltage than the BP808's but the trade off is that they don't scale as high as the BP808's. This new wave of PCB's (Brainpower) and their ability to handle higher voltages is a dual edged sword - on one hand, they have the *capability* to clock past the BH5's of old, on the other we're seeing just what happens when people feed large amounts of voltage into their memory for a sustained period of time as evidenced by the large amount of UTT deaths (part of it is due to the PCB/IC compatibility).

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the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.

desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path

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Agreed :toast:

thanks for your info s7e9h3n

it seems to me that the .175 micron ic's are still in production since some are stamped late '05 and even early '06.
if this is true and Team has sucured virtually the entire production then they do indeed have strong negotiating power.

so what i'm saying is that over some time and by identifying any weaknesses a few possible improvements could be implemented base very largely on the current design.

i'm no expert here but if possible a number of things could be tried.
presuming that changing the pcb and trace layout would make too much of a design difference and cost too much there are still a number of things one could try.
i do realise that ddr1 is perhaps nearing EOL but these babies have been brought back to life based solely on enthusiast demand.
nobody would be running the .175 micron process today if it weren't for us enthusiasts.
there are deffinately a few things that could be changed without too much effort.
i don't know what but lets discuss them.
the most obvious thing would be to increase the thickness of the wafer hoping for better voltage response and cleaner signals.
the machines may not be able to handle this but what about .180, .185, .190 micron wafers?
is this a possibility?
if not the next thing to try imo is to see if another source of superior .175 micron wafers exist or maybe tweak the wafer production from the origional source for the results we desire.

on to the smd components.
the resistors other smd's, besides the bh-5 ic's, may have an effect too.
uprating those components to slightly better ones or merely changing brands could have an effect.
much like getting better quality capacitors on our motherboards

lastly the spd ic has caused trouble in the past for some modules and once again it may be possible to switch to a better unit without resorting to a design change.

anyway thats just a few ideas.
who's got any more? :D

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I have not seen 270MHz, but he has a screenshot of 277MHz 32M @ 3.7v (MBM). It's the best result in BH-5/UTT sticky. Pretty impressive kit, I have to admit :)

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I do superpi 32m @ 279MHz 2225 with 2x512 OCZ PC3500 Old BH5
I will post when I will get 280 :)

If thats on 9 multi or up the 279 screen would be nice until then.....:D

9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)

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9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)

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Pic please :)

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9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)

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Pic please :)

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Also, as 32M @ 279MHz 5-2-2-2.0-1T 2x512MB would be the best result we've all seen so far, we would appreciate if you "documented" it properly... Here are some samples of such runs:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=23
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=285
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=93
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...29&postcount=1

It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)

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It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)

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If you do, please leave a link here so we know where to look for it :p:

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Also, as 32M @ 279MHz 5-2-2-2.0-1T 2x512MB would be the best result we've all seen so far, we would appreciate if you "documented" it properly... Here are some samples of such runs:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=23
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=285
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=93
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...29&postcount=1

It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)

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No problem, I will give you several screens ;)
279MHz spi 32M 2x512
I've also done 289.9MHz spi 32m with 2x256


I have read all the posts on Teamgroups memories and PC4000 rox like old BH5 ones ;)

I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7...02130re.th.jpg

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D

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I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7...02130re.th.jpg

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D

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:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

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Originally Posted by dogsx2

I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7...02130re.th.jpg

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D

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Please let us know how they do ;) You're welcome to post here as others look to this thread for updates to where to buy them as well :toast:

cool dogsx2. first US retail sale. glad you got them.
those are the ddr500 right?
for some reason your 1600rez photo is out of focus :p

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cool dogsx2. first US retail sale. glad you got them.
those are the ddr500 right?
for some reason your 1600rez photo is out of focus :p

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Yep, the 500's.:D

Got my set today also from Team Research Inc., said they only recieved 5 sets all spoken for.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Xtreem.jpg

GHZ i've got the same sticks, same week. Tell me how yours do, i'm having a bit of trouble with mine over 250mhz or so; they need 3.35v to do it, that's a bit high imho. And with loose timings as well. I'm doing a bit of burnin' at the moment. But they can do 240mhz with about 3.1v or so. Ridiculous jump.

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Originally Posted by Onepagebook

well , nice job,
BUT I think 3.68 v can easily do 275..
figure out the problem first dude;)

don't copy michael's over-voltage type,
\that's just kill your PSU, ram and cpu gradually
you guys can never trust , but whenever all your components die
just don't cry for hunger.:D

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I think that are good ram... for bench sure... for daily is only for a crazy man.. i think that the best ram for daily r 2 x 1gb kit... if i can go up i put my core up to 1,7v and Vdimm up to 4v for a good bench.... so burrrn burn baby burn burn!!! :D

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GHZ i've got the same sticks, same week. Tell me how yours do, i'm having a bit of trouble with mine over 250mhz or so; they need 3.35v to do it, that's a bit high imho. And with loose timings as well. I'm doing a bit of burnin' at the moment. But they can do 240mhz with about 3.1v or so. Ridiculous jump.

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Hey Don what do u think about Tentative? :rocker:

rofl
It's good, but i prefer "she's like heroin". However that is so far off topic it is just mental.

G H Z - results?

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273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png

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What kind of volts are you putting thru them at 273? 3.8 or 3.8+?
A SG or MBM5 would have been nice.

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What kind of volts are you putting thru them at 273? 3.8 or 3.8+?
A SG or MBM5 would have been nice.

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also why such a slow time considering the settings/MHz :confused:

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:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:


http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/963...reem0044vg.jpg

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

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One difference I see is yours says 601W at the end of the bar code and
M H Z and my two sets say 606W.

here are mine :
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8...12049id.th.jpg


a little overclock

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2...i1mb5zh.th.jpg

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also why such a slow time considering the settings/MHz :confused:

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from that setting, I would say there might be 3 settings were not set good,
1. TREF,
2. strength
3. Dynamic counter

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One difference I see is yours says 601W at the end of the bar code and
M H Z and my two sets say 606W.

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Plus, his are the PC3200's ;) The numbers your referring to are the production weeks of the BH5 IC's on your sticks.....results pleez :toast:

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from that setting, I would say there might be 3 settings were not set good,
1. TREF,
2. strength
3. Dynamic counter

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losing over a minute in 32M over these settings alone.........i don't know...doesn' t seem likely to me

I wasn't going to post any results until I really worked on them this weekend. Let me say I am not that great with BH-5 and like TCCD better. Also, I sold all the good sc optys I had and am testing with a dc 170 which makes it harder.

I only worked with them a couple of hours and the first thing is it takes
3.3v to do 250 on both sets. The ones I got can not do on 3.2v what the thread starter's ram can do on 3.2v. Errors in test 5 at 3.2v@250. The next thing I found in this short time is they take more volts then Stevens. I think they will be very good with a good cpu and a better tweaker then myself and I am still going to try and post some better ss then this first one I'm posting now. I had two 120 fans on them and to the touch they were just barely warm.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1...m2682lv.th.jpg

I already said I wasn't any good, so be kind to me.:D

Edit: look at the SPD when they were made. Week 06 Year 06, hot off the press.

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I wasn't going to post any results until I really worked on them this weekend. Let me say I am not that great with BH-5 and like TCCD better. Also, I sold all the good sc optys I had and am testing with a dc 170 which makes it harder.

I only worked with them a couple of hours and the first thing is it takes
3.3v to do 250 on both sets. The ones I got can not do on 3.2v what the thread starter's ram can do on 3.2v. Errors in test 5 at 3.2v@250. The next thing I found in this short time is they take more volts then Stevens. I think they will be very good with a good cpu and a better tweaker then myself and I am still going to try and post some better ss then this first one I'm posting now. I had two 120 fans on them and to the touch they were just barely warm.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1...m2682lv.th.jpg

I already said I wasn't any good, so be kind to me.:D

Edit: look at the SPD when they were made. Week 06 Year 06, hot off the press.

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Heya Dogs,
Not bad, but there can be a few improvements on those timings ;) But before I get to that, I have to remind everyone that these sticks are RATED @ 250 , 3.3V. Your sticks meet that criteria (and that isn't even a bad thing - many sticks of even the best memory can't do that speed @ that voltage). I suggest you DL A64 tweaker .6 as the version you're currently using offers some setting which can really screw with your performance if set wrong. Your TRFC should be able to be tightened to 13 and your TRTW ->2. I know that Opties seem to have issues with MAL and RP but is it possible for you to run 9/6 as opposed to 8/6.5? You should see some performance gain there. Try those settings first and if they work well for you, let us know....but that's a nice speed on the memory for 32m stable :toast:

*impatiently waits for stock to land in Australia* :slobber:

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Heya Dogs,
Not bad, but there can be a few improvements on those timings ;) But before I get to that, I have to remind everyone that these sticks are RATED @ 250 , 3.3V. Your sticks meet that criteria (and that isn't even a bad thing - many sticks of even the best memory can't do that speed @ that voltage). I suggest you DL A64 tweaker .6 as the version you're currently using offers some setting which can really screw with your performance if set wrong. Your TRFC should be able to be tightened to 13 and your TRTW ->2. I know that Opties seem to have issues with MAL and RP but is it possible for you to run 9/6 as opposed to 8/6.5? You should see some performance gain there. Try those settings first and if they work well for you, let us know....but that's a nice speed on the memory for 32m stable :toast:

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Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(

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Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.

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Is that with the BIOS set to optimised defaults? Or overclocked..

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Is that with the BIOS set to optimised defaults? Or overclocked..

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It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.

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It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.

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picky RAM=sux

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It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.

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One of my 0606W has just died as well, reckon it might be a bad batch? Try both sticks seperately, see if that helps.

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Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(

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Ummm, all I know is that I was told that they would be rated at 3.3V. I'm pretty sure I made it quite obvious in this thread's initial post. FYI, you should ALWAYS leave MAL and RP on auto and then once you enter Windows, use A64 tweaker to change the settings if necessary. Also, MAL and RP are settings which are dictated by your cpu's memory controller more than the actual RAM itself. Also, have you tried switching the sticks around? What exactly happened to cause the "corruption"? How fast were you attempting and what were the timings on the memory? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the tone of your post, it seems as if you're angry that these sticks haven't performed as you expected? TBH, a 267mhz 32m run is quite impressive for BH5's - new and old........

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Ummm, all I know is that I was told that they would be rated at 3.3V. I'm pretty sure I made it quite obvious in this thread's initial post. FYI, you should ALWAYS leave MAL and RP on auto and then once you enter Windows, use A64 tweaker to change the settings if necessary. Also, MAL and RP are settings which are dictated by your cpu's memory controller more than the actual RAM itself. Also, have you tried switching the sticks around? What exactly happened to cause the "corruption"? How fast were you attempting and what were the timings on the memory? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the tone of your post, it seems as if you're angry that these sticks haven't performed as you expected? TBH, a 267mhz 32m run is quite impressive for BH5's - new and old........

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Wait a second, the only thing I'm angry about is windows went south and the hd I had ghost on, I just used for another computer. I'm not angry about the memory. I do feel that the rated volts should be on the sticks or their web site. The first thing I do with memory is try each stick and put the weakest in the slot closest to the cpu. I then even switch them just to make sure. I never said that the corruption was the fault of the memory itself.

I guess it is easier to just do things and keep them to ones self then to post what happened and be open to being accused of being angry.

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Wait a second, the only thing I'm angry about is windows went south and the hd I had ghost on, I just used for another computer. I'm not angry about the memory. I do feel that the rated volts should be on the sticks or their web site. The first thing I do with memory is try each stick and put the weakest in the slot closest to the cpu. I then even switch them just to make sure. I never said that the corruption was the fault of the memory itself.

I guess it is easier to just do things and keep them to ones self then to post what happened and be open to being accused of being angry.

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ummm....ok.......:confused:

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Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(

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Sorry buddy
that's because they are in hurry due to too much pals email and phone them

If that 's not rated on 3.3v then what do you expect? 3.2v? 3.1v?:D just kidding:P:
I will suggest teamgroup put on the website and say 3.35v~3.45v ;)


**what 's your Strength setting under bios?

** you 're not bad at all, cuz you use 1:1; some use divider and blame MAL and RP to loose,
I don't know if they really understand what they are doing.

[QUOTE=Onepagebook]

If that 's not rated on 3.3v then what do you expect? 3.2v? 3.1v?:

:up: sounds good to me :D

dogsx2 be careful mate, low vcore + high vdimm can kill your memory controller on your cpu...