Sampsa
Hope the RD580 board will help you get over 20K ;)
Sampsa
Hope the RD580 board will help you get over 20K ;)
Sampsa, is there any chance you can post some pics of your containers and set-up?
When you say the "Slave-card Radeon X1900 XTX 512 MB doesn't seem to have any problems with cold", does that mean you have tested it at -50 or better? Is the cold bug completely random? If so, is there any chance you'll get your hands on a bug free CF master to go with your slave anytime soon? Maybe you can send Grayskull off to scour the ATI kingdom for that card? :)
How long a wait do you have until the RD580 mobo arrives?
I tested regular Radeon X1900 XTX at -55C and didn't face any problems. X1900 CrossFire Edition stops working immediately after container's temperature drops below -27C, nothing random there. I don't know about RD580 schedule, depends how fast they send it from ATI and I'll order cold right away. Hopefully next week :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
maybe XT has coldbug and XTX doesnt?
btw there should be XTX Crossfire cards too
Hmm... I guess that it is driver related, because XT,XTX and CF are all based on the same chip (R580) afaik.
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Originally Posted by Willis
and i supose that the gtx 512 isnt a 7800 with 512 mb of faster ram!!
Dragon
Or BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by C3
XT / XTX are just bit different default speeds, but Crossfire's bios might be quite different.
Funny that its EASY to find these cards in FINLAND too. Checked one webstore ( it has direct link info from importers realtime situation ) and they had 40 XT's and 40 XTX's of Sapphires in stock this morning.
PTK
How bout some single card cold runs then :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Perkam
Someone asked about 3dmark06. My X1900 CF system got 8772. With a FX60 @ 3GHz and stock cards. (XT-X)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1138202037
Weeee that what we wanna see.. how'bout some oc on the cards aswell?
/Grau
Nice scores you get! I'll be waiting for more action! :D
Damn, AAC....that's an AMAZINGLY low CPU score for a 3GHz FX60...you should be knocking on 2300's door.
Anyway, the rest of it are AMAZINGLY high GPU scores, I love it!
Whats the max safe voltage for X1900XTX on air?
No kidding. I get 2k at only 2.7GHz with my dualie. Of course, I run 270x10 so... that might be it. Some other dude here got 9k stock with XT in Crossfire and X2 at 2.7GHz...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87351
Work harder :P
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
Do you have some pics. of setup?
tnx
HMMM Wonder why my scores are off. It is 100% prime stable on both cores.... must be because I am running @ 200 x 15. I will crank it up to 250 x 12. Very strange. I am going to have RD580 boards this week so I might wait. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
My Venice 3000+ E6 300x9 stable gets 717 in CPU score, how come X24400 get 2000 at 270x10? :stick: (the one in the Brandybuck thread)
I think 3dk06 scores are really weird. I mean, I could fin logical a DC score around 180-190% higher than the single core, but almost 280%?
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Originally Posted by AACDIRECT
may i ask what make the rd580 board you will have this week will be ?
Reference board. From what I was told the production ones are not quite ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoN3R
so the "manta" board then most likley huh .
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Originally Posted by AACDIRECT
Sorry for the offtopic, but i notice something strange here...
Look at your cpu score.
Now look at mine:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5516/2k6283jn.jpg
With less 200mhz i have more 270 points.
Could this be related with "Performance enhancements for dual-core CPUs.", that Nvidia introduced in his drivers??
seems like every time sampsa gets all ready to break a record, the cold bug kicks his ass.
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Originally Posted by _JP_
isn't xfire suppost to be more cpu intense ?
I think the "Performance enhancements for dual-core CPUs" has nothing to do on how well the cpu itself performs. But that is only what I think from a logical perspective. I mean, how can nvidia make your CPU to work better when non in 3D mode (DX9, Ogl, etc) ?
Also, as I said with 1x7800GT and a Venice 3000 @ 300x9 I got 717. Brandibuck here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87351
got 2004 with a X2 4400 @ 270x10. And I don't think his memory made such a big advantage, mine was at 245.5 2-2-2-5.
Definitely, 3dk06 CPU scores are strange
whoa that cpu score is way off for 3d 06................http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=51443
That doesn't affect anything when the CPU test consists of a software renderer which does not utilize the graphics cards.Quote:
isn't xfire suppost to be more cpu intense ?
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Originally Posted by mursaat
Hmmm I think CPU scores are in line... well my memory is running at puny 2-2-2-5 200mhz I think so it could see some improvement, etc. But this is my 24x7 setup anyway :P
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/pr...rojectId=75821
it does if the xfire driver needs cpu resources to run... the cards are still in xfire mode even if the cpu is doing the rendering...Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
any scores on intel systems?ill be getting my x1900xt næst week,and will post a couple off scores. nice scores by the way
Still waiting for motherboard. I heard it hasn't been sent yet.
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Originally Posted by vanovich
Only a cold cpu score ( 6.2GHZ 955XE ) so far on Intel with stock CF 1900s - 3Dmark05 was 16kwith stock cardsi. Have a feeling INtel will rule the marks - if a coldbug isse can be resolved
06:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/418...compare6tk.jpg
Wow the 955 looks dominating, time to freeze those cards :toast:
Looks like 955 XE is strong in 3DMark06 but FX-60 rules in 05.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
wonder how they fair in pcmark05 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
really fu**ing nice sampsa, i hope u can reach 20k GL man
You don't understand what you are talking about :nono: Drivers won't affect performance if no hardware 3d is involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome
fx-60 is slower than fx-57 for single threaded apps.
go for 20k !
What power supply are you guys using running 1900 crossfire. I wonder if my OCZ 600W would hold up if I were to do that as well.
It seems like Futuremark sort of "calibrated" the FX60 and the 955XE. At stock speeds, they should be equal, but the 955XE generally gets significantly higher net overclocks. Sort of geared towards overclockers, but not necessarily a fully accurate gauge of performance, hence the advantage in 05 to the FX60.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
No worries though, you're still my hero. :D
Two cores, two cards, looks hella fun.
as a guess ;) 2k higher in PCMark04 than the current #1 DC AMD - 05 not sure yetQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Sampsa - any news on the Sapp board yet?
Actually I think Gnome is right. CF consumes more CPU power than single card, there is no doubt about that. It does appear in the 06 CPU tests (still 3D running display drivers) that is still true.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Hi Macci, do you have tested the cards separately ?Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
So, why your Vga ram frequency was so slow ? limited by the mastercard ?
I imagine with 732/955 as my XTX the score will be impressive.
G H Z
Who is rendering the scene in the CPU tests? The CPU. 3d accelerators are not involved. So, with a FX5200 the CPU score should be the same as with X1900XTX.Quote:
It does appear in the 06 CPU tests (still 3D running display drivers) that is still true.
Theoretically yes. But its hard to completely take the GPU out of the picture. A better GPU will give you a better CPU score, even though its a small difference. Thats why when you overclock the GPU, CPU score goes up slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
ahmad
Point being in crossfire mode, more CPU resources are needed because the CPU needs to feed the info to two GPUs intead of one. Similarly, with SLI. Here no info is fed to any graphics cards at all.
Maybe someone with Crossfire can test with and without Crossfire enabled to end this discussion.
BTW I have a 2nd 1900 CF system up and running. (On a new different mobo.) It also has an FX-60. I ran 06 and got a much better CPU score. These benches are at all stock. What I am wondering is the 2nd system has 2GB of ram Vs 1GB. Could ram effect the CPU score? I noticed that the people that had a better CPU score than me had more ram....
Also has anyone got a better 06 score with CF on a 100% stock system?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1138806986
That looks like the highest stock I have seen. I saw 10k with stock video card, but at 10x260 on the CPU.
I completely agree with you. Just clearing up something you said :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
nice scores, but that X1900CF master card sux..
XTX wo coldbug would be much better and decent ATi RD580 mobo
Indeed...as hipro5 has shown...a maxed out x1900xtx without a coldbug with second revision drivers can easy beat or equal a maxed out 78GTX512 in 3d01.
Ofcourse in 3d05 there's no comparison ;) With 14k on air and 16k single card already broken...all thats left is 20k...but the CF is in the way.
Perkam
I cannot figure out why any one would go CF with these cards right now. Considering you need a really expensive PSU to support them, an expensive master card 1900, a CF MB. A HUGE amount of $ more for a 2nd card; and what do you get?
a lousy 12% gain in performance in 3d05 if your lucky enough to have a duel core cpu such as the fx-60; and in some single core cases almost no gain? I think CF is a joke, any one who buys into it with these 1900 series cards is a fool:slapass: or a filthily rich.:confused:
I will give ATI the benefit of the doubt and blame CF sucking on immature drivers but this is why consumers need to put their foot down along with their wallets and say no to CF!
I bet you Nvidia is already perfecting drivers for the G71 right now, that seems to be the difference between them and ATI. They seem to release cards and hope for the best. Im not sure if its User complaints thats inspire better drivers, or actual lab testing. Its more of a software race for 20k in 3d05 then HW. I think ATI will take the crown before the G71, we just need need to wait for better drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
The best Crossfire 06 score I have seen yet is right here in these forums on the second page, 11,142.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=88724&page=2
Yep, by MickeyMouse.
I think he will have newer scores coming soon with
X1900 CF with an better cpu. :)
this lousy gain comes from the fact that 3DMark05 at default resolution is nearly completely CPU bound benchmark with CF. Its not because CF is "more CPU hungry" its because X1900CF has so much video speed that the CPU can't keep up with it at the default resolution.Quote:
a lousy 12% gain in performance in 3d05 if your lucky enough to have a duel core cpu such as the fx-60
So 3DMark05 with stock X1900CF and stock FX60 is basically just showing how fast the FX60 can run 3DMark05. If you overclock the X1900CF you dont see the score go up since its all CPU bound!
If you run 3DMark05 at some more relevant resolution such as 1600x1200 w/ 4AA and 8AF you see around 55%-60% improvement when you go from single X1900XTX to X1900 CF.
Yeah the x1900's are monsters. You put in crossfire and you really need to crank up the quality settings to feel the difference.
macci do you know whether all X1900 Crossfire cards have 1.2ns ram or are 1.1ns cards produced,too?
Looks like Kingpin improved his GeForce 7800 GTX 512 MB SLI score to 19351 but tomorrow there will be a new score on #1 spot in 3DMark05. Stay tuned, I'll upload some pics also :)
oooooooo sounds like a challenge:PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Good stuff Sampsa :explode2:
Wow, that's just fricken nuts...quite the beasts they are indeed. :DQuote:
this lousy gain comes from the fact that 3DMark05 at default resolution is nearly completely CPU bound benchmark with CF. Its not because CF is "more CPU hungry" its because X1900CF has so much video speed that the CPU can't keep up with it at the default resolution.
So 3DMark05 with stock X1900CF and stock FX60 is basically just showing how fast the FX60 can run 3DMark05. If you overclock the X1900CF you dont see the score go up since its all CPU bound!
If you run 3DMark05 at some more relevant resolution such as 1600x1200 w/ 4AA and 8AF you see around 55%-60% improvement when you go from single X1900XTX to X1900 CF.
Bring it man...bring it. Can't wait to see what you can do. :woot:Quote:
Looks like Kingpin improved his GeForce 7800 GTX 512 MB SLI score to 19351 but tomorrow there will be a new score on #1 spot in 3DMark05. Stay tuned, I'll upload some pics also
Yes, that's life :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Willis
Muropaketti @ Sevilla, Espanja. ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200 press briefing:
Team Finland (Macci & Sampsa) met in order to run some tests :)
Athlon 64 FX-60
Radeon X1900 CrossFire
ATI RD580 reference board
2 x Mushkin RedLine
PC Power & Cooling 1 kW PSU
Dry Ice cooling
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/01.jpg
In Finland: -20C
In Sevilla: 18C
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/02.jpg
RD580 = CrossFire Xpress 3200
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/03.jpg
Macci briefing the press about RD580's overclocking features. Live presentation of system running smoothly 300 MHz 5X HTT :)
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/05.jpg
System running. CPU container around -50C ja FX-60 running @ 3537 MHz
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/04.jpg
Radeon X1900 CF running at pretty low frequencies: 800/843 MHz, containers around -25C
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/06.jpg
3DMark05 result: 19581
ORB Comparsion URL:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1821520
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r580/fm_hof.png
New 3DMark05 WR for now, but for how long? Kinc is very close and NVIDIA is launching GeForce 7900 in March. Although there is definitely more potential in X1900 CF + RD580 combination so stay tuned!
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nice cardboard box..........and what the hell is that on the CPU :eek:.....that's just the biggest mofo i've ever seen
jejejeejeje nice score guys
i heared that w1zzard's glass helps a lot for the Dry Ice
wow, finally! my f5 must have lost 2/3 of its paint 'cause i pressed it that often!
really great score, looking forward to seeing kingpins scores and who does 20k first!
btw, whats on the back of the cards? is that for isolation or so?
What about 3Dmark06?:)
Hey guys, im new here...so bare with me :P
Just bought myself an x1900xt and flashed it to an XTX. Wondering what the max voltage on stock cooling would be?
Thanks in advance guys!
BTW: Those scores are just shy of insane! Awesome work!
Crazy score. Amazing work there guys :toast: and very weird, but nice CPU tube:)
Thanks, I've been using this CPU tube since year 2001 and Athlon 1333 MHz:Quote:
Originally Posted by SIOUX
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkeli.../dryice2/6.jpg
Back then the fastening method was little bit different:
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkeli.../dryice2/9.jpg
Works fine :)
Hhehehe thats a nice way to mount the tube :D
great results too sampsa, altough the record won't last long :D
woah very nice indeed :D :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
nice to know 1KW psu can handle it very well :)
Nice Chipsetcooling ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Nice work Sampsa. I guess the dongle still helps with RD580? I heard 580 would completely remove the dongle, but I guess not.
Talk about efficiency. Such low clocks and such a high score. Amazing board :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/8111/orb6ve.gif
some new socres
Awesome work guys, looks like the ground is shaking on the 01 front as well. :p:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8898828
WOW 766FPS in nature. Dude someone's on fire. We need a dothan on the job and 57-58k should be a piece of cake.
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Originally Posted by Sampsa
:D :toast:
You need a second core to unlock that sort of power out of crossfire. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Congrats:toast:
Every time i see that tube, i get an instant urge for a whiskey on the rocks
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkeli.../dryice2/6.jpg
Great score and grats on the WR!!!
Very nice score from Finland guys :toast: Macci's 2001 score pretty damn impressive as well ( has he been using a very heavy badminton racket recently, looks like he is trying to become a lumberjack :D )
300MHz at 5x HTT .... :eek:
Regards
Andy
thanks Andy =)Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
yea 300 x5 is nice but this is even nicer :D
(its 3DMark05 at 1600x1200 4AA 8AF and 1566MHz HTT ;))
all watercooled system too.
Great work guys.:toast:
LOL thats impressive :eek: :eek: :eek: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
damn thats a fast rig:slapass:
[whispermode]
Get ln²
[/whispermode]
Any plans to take out the rest of the WRs? (esp 01 :p:)
Great results :toast:
Did you guys run any 01, 03, 06?
What's this, does W1z have a container of his own now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marioace
Heh, go look at second place on the ORB in 01. Wanna bench that X2 now? :D
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A.../rd580_025.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
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Originally Posted by w1zzard
Canyon GT3 80fps at 1600x1200 4AA.
That is some serious graphics horsepower.
Regards
Andy
Thats one mighty cool yellow arrow!
Congrats on the scores:toast:
When is 20K:banana: :clap:
Amazing job guys :toast:
20K are on the corner :)
This is fricken nuts, 20k is right around the corner...and we're less then 5k away from the 60 mark in '01...still can't get over how ridiculous hardware is getting these days...last time I had a completely running highend rig was when I had my 3.4E @ 4.3GHz and my Sapphire X800XT-PE @ 702MHz both on h2O...fun times, but I haven't had a single new rig since then...I feel like I'm missing out on so much. :(
Now this is the kind of thing I want to see!Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
Awesome.
OMG, That is truly incredible, that was a WR contender @10x7 not too long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
I am in shock. congrats macci.