Crucial says no more 2 gig balistix will be sold.

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02-05-2006, 09:10 PM
The Mad Duke

Be aware you may not need 2.8 volts. The set I got from RMA 3 weeks ago are working happily (so far) :rolleyes: at stock speed of 250 MHz at 3:3:3:8 on the lowest voltage setting my DFI will take - bios set to 2.5 volts with the 0.3 volt bump disabled, SmartGuardian shows 2.43 volts. My last set took 3 months to fail so it may be a while before we find out if this strategy is effective. Micron gave these things a lifetime guarantee so I intend to run them until they break, and RMA each time they do. I have a set of G. Skill HZ in reserve to cover the gaps.
02-05-2006, 09:51 PM
Lood007

In the future, when no direct RMA part is available, then what do you think they will do? Give you a replacement of equal value?
No.

They will give you whatever they have that is lower than the direct replacement.

not a good deal if u ask me.
02-05-2006, 10:23 PM
The Mad Duke

Sorry mate, I do not know what the future holds, and neither do you! :stick: I am doing as I wish with product I have bought and paid for. I do not consider the alternatives acceptable - I could not sell these sticks in good conscience - if they fail again some one will be stuck without any means to RMA them since they were not the original purchaser, and that's just not my style. At least this way Micron will have to PAY for their defective product, I'm quite sure all these returns are eating up their margins. Who knows, Micron may decide to do the right thing and replace them with RAM that doesn't die. At any rate, this is a hobby for me, and this way I will have a ring side seat for whatever happens.
02-05-2006, 10:37 PM
alpha0ne

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Duke

Be aware you may not need 2.8 volts. The set I got from RMA 3 weeks ago are working happily (so far) :rolleyes: at stock speed of 250 MHz at 3:3:3:8 on the lowest voltage setting my DFI will take - bios set to 2.5 volts with the 0.3 volt bump disabled, SmartGuardian shows 2.43 volts. My last set took 3 months to fail so it may be a while before we find out if this strategy is effective. Micron gave these things a lifetime guarantee so I intend to run them until they break, and RMA each time they do. I have a set of G. Skill HZ in reserve to cover the gaps.

I see your point Duke, unless they give you a FULL refund your stuck with them

You could be running your HZ @ 250MHz 3-3-3-6 easily with 2.65Vdimm, maybe even tighter timings (I have'nt tried yet) for a set that only cost you 2/3 the cost of the Ballistic :)
02-05-2006, 10:56 PM
Capt_Caveman

I'm on my third set and so far so good. Been running them at 250 3-3-3-7 @ 2.65v
02-06-2006, 10:05 AM
douirc

I mostly worry about it corrupting my windows install as i use my machine for both work and play. it's very hard to reinstall a single os in a dual boot machine, and even worse if i loose data because of sticks that die in the middle of a write process.
02-06-2006, 03:28 PM
amrgb

I Rma'd mines through Newegg. Got a mail saying that they don't have for replacement anymore. Let's see what's the deal they have for me.
02-06-2006, 05:14 PM
CPLB

I'm looking to go 2 GB, but the Crucial sticks were the only ones I was really interested in...

amrgb, your sig is very funny :)
02-06-2006, 06:05 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPLB

I'm looking to go 2 GB, but the Crucial sticks were the only ones I was really interested in...

amrgb, your sig is very funny :)

If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)
02-06-2006, 06:12 PM
rick_fx

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)

Great to know! What will be the release price?

If they dont die like the Ballistix and perform better that the Ballistix, I'm buying myself a 2x1gb kit of TEAM :fact:
02-06-2006, 06:14 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)

and they're definitly different than the sticks of team i have? :p:
02-06-2006, 06:22 PM
Major

Everything coming from TEAM looks awsome so far, but I've yet to find a US online retail chain that has them.
02-06-2006, 06:25 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Major

Everything coming from TEAM looks awsome so far, but I've yet to find a US online retail chain that has them.

It's cuz they haven't officially launched their US campaign. They will be soon though......

@ Ozzimark - YGPM comin......
02-06-2006, 06:50 PM
Trice

What is TEAM?
02-06-2006, 06:52 PM
The Mad Duke

About TEAM - we have to hope they have discovered how to keep Micron 5b chips alive at 250 MHz and above - I note from the MadShrimps review they are using BrainPower PC boards, maybe this will help. It will be a few months after they are widely available before we know much about their longevity. Just thinking out loud here . . . ;)
02-06-2006, 06:53 PM
The Mad Duke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trice

What is TEAM?

Read review here:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...90&articID=397
02-06-2006, 06:57 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Duke

About TEAM - we have to hope they have discovered how to keep Micron 5b chips alive at 250 MHz and above - I note from the MadShrimps review they are using BrainPower PC boards, maybe this will help. It will be a few months after they are widely available before we know much about their longevity. Just thinking out loud here . . . ;)

i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)
02-06-2006, 07:27 PM
MikalCarbine

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)

Why doesn't crucial use these newer dies? Aren't they 5B-F?
02-06-2006, 07:46 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Why doesn't crucial use these newer dies? Aren't they 5B-F?

honestly no idea. i was expecting them to, but instead the ballistix got pulled. :confused:
02-06-2006, 07:47 PM
MikalCarbine

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

honestly no idea. i was expecting them to, but instead the ballistix got pulled. :confused:

Bah, if mine do end up dying, I'll RMA (hopefully at least get Z503) and sell em, and switch back to OCZ or get Team ;) They are loooking nice
02-06-2006, 07:54 PM
giorgioprimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Bah, if mine do end up dying, I'll RMA (hopefully at least get Z503) and sell em, and switch back to OCZ or get Team ;) They are loooking nice

I asked an RMA with crucial europe adn they told that there is no chance to replace with the same stiks becouse they are out of production.
So I decide do get a x850xt vga instead ram...
02-06-2006, 08:06 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by giorgioprimo

I asked an RMA with crucial europe adn they told that there is no chance to replace with the same stiks becouse they are out of production.
So I decide do get a x850xt vga instead ram...

i've seen a few guys with the same issue, but then later that day, someone comes in to say that they got an rma for 2 new sticks of ballistix. they definitly have some, you just gotta work your way up a bit i think
02-06-2006, 08:18 PM
The Mad Duke

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)

O.K., I'll bite. You have experience with Micron 5d chips run above 250 MHz long term and they lived ? My gut is Micron quit making Ballistix PC4000 1 GB sticks because they could not figure out how to consistantly produce chips (in volume) which could handle that level. In other words, someone in management at Micron decided to stop throwing good money after bad. Just like Intel with the Pentium4 they had gone a bridge too far.
02-06-2006, 08:44 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Duke

O.K., I'll bite. You have experience with Micron 5d chips run above 250 MHz long term and they lived ?

indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)
02-06-2006, 08:58 PM
Lood007

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

i've seen a few guys with the same issue, but then later that day, someone comes in to say that they got an rma for 2 new sticks of ballistix. they definitly have some, you just gotta work your way up a bit i think

Amen.

I had to call 4 times before I got someone to tell me that they were getting in a shipment the following day.

:slapass: <--- Crucial
02-06-2006, 09:09 PM
The Mad Duke

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)

Oh, I don't doubt what you say about the 512 MB Ballistix - it's the 1 GB that keep dying.
Ah well, I can hope that by the time my current set give up the ghost the folks at NewEgg will be selling TeamGroup and I can talk them in to those as a replacement :D
02-07-2006, 09:38 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Duke

Oh, I don't doubt what you say about the 512 MB Ballistix - it's the 1 GB that keep dying.
Ah well, I can hope that by the time my current set give up the ghost the folks at NewEgg will be selling TeamGroup and I can talk them in to those as a replacement :D

His "F" Die sticks are 1gb sticks ;) AFAIK, Newegg's not slated to carry TEAM memory, but that may change in the coming weeks....
02-07-2006, 11:23 AM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)

How much better are the F dies doing than the D's? My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.

Oh, and ozzi, any idea whether or not Crucial will be doing f die chips on their pc4000 ballistix line soon?
02-07-2006, 06:47 PM
thegoatman

I just got some non-ballistix -5b D RAM. How do I tell who makes the PCB? I bought the sticks from a company called "lifetime memory," and they're only rated for PC3200.
02-07-2006, 07:07 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnJoY

How much better are the F dies doing than the D's? My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.

Oh, and ozzi, any idea whether or not Crucial will be doing f die chips on their pc4000 ballistix line soon?

the F's seem to be about the same. wait till i fix the issues on my mobo and i'll give you a conclusive answer. right now, i can get 280mhz stable at 3-3-3 with only 2.5v. higher leads to a decrease in clocks (which is not the case for tighter timings, or 2T), which makes me want to try two things:
1. vmod to lower vdimm below 2.5v
2. vtt supplement, which is almost done:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_169.jpg

capable of supplying 3A of current in parallel with the richtek chip on the dfi, which is rated for 3a max. hopefully something good will come out of it ;)
02-07-2006, 07:10 PM
MikalCarbine

wow, 280 at 2.5, that is nuts dood! :toast:
02-07-2006, 07:33 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

wow, 280 at 2.5, that is nuts dood! :toast:

hehe, not all that amazing compared to some of the ballistix, but i have a feeling they can do a bit better in the end ;)
02-07-2006, 08:02 PM
corvus_corax

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

2. vtt supplement, which is almost done:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_169.jpg

capable of supplying 3A of current in parallel with the richtek chip on the dfi, which is rated for 3a max. hopefully something good will come out of it ;)

Very interesting...
Please keep us updated
02-08-2006, 06:21 AM
amrgb

Quote:

Originally Posted by amrgb

I Rma'd mines through Newegg. Got a mail saying that they don't have for replacement anymore. Let's see what's the deal they have for me.

Got a refund of $307, the price I paid for the sticks. :woot:

That's the best that could have happened.

I must say I'm stunned with the way Newegg dealt with a problem that it's not even theirs. :toast:
02-13-2006, 01:41 PM
Capt_Caveman

My 3rd set of Ballistix(RMA'd twice already) are starting to die after only a month of use. I could run them at 250 3-3-3-7 @ 2.6v and now I need 2.75v.

Looking what's available, not sure what to replace them with. Samsung UCCC, Infineon C or ???? Any opinions appreciated.
02-13-2006, 02:12 PM
ozzimark

teamgroup cronus will fill ballistix's place :D
02-13-2006, 04:00 PM
Deus Falsus

I got my ballistix back from RMA last week, I've had them at 280mhz and 2.6v and I was gaming fine, I even had a 3 hour bf2 session and it ran flawless, yesterday However I loaded bf2 and it CTD after 15 minutes, I tried again and it CTD almost instantly. This is the same thing that happened when My previous ballistix started to die, BF2 crapped out and I had to keep feeding them more volts and more volts to stabilize the game until eventually it just wouldn't work. So in summary, NO!!! CRUCIAL HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE BALLISTIX SPONTANEOUS DEATH SYNDROME, the memory I received I was assured was of the latest batch. I got the original sticks from newegg 4 months ago, you guys think they'll take them back and give me a refund? This memory is unreliable, fast and glorious while it lasts, but disappointingly unreliable.
02-13-2006, 04:45 PM
amrgb

Newegg gave me a 100% refund after almost 3 months. I asked for a replacement, but they don't have them anymore in stock. Try your luck with them.
02-13-2006, 05:10 PM
Repoman

I'm hoping they do the same for me, I'll be sending them back as soon as my new HZ come in. For now, I'm running 100MHz with 2.9v and 2T, they just crashed in source after 10 minutes.. might as well send them back now :rolleyes:

I just sold my set of HZ too, now I go out and buy another :mad:
02-13-2006, 05:15 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repoman

I'm hoping they do the same for me, I'll be sending them back as soon as my new HZ come in. For now, I'm running 100MHz with 2.9v and 2T, they just crashed in source after 10 minutes.. might as well send them back now :rolleyes:

I just sold my set of HZ too, now I go out and buy another :mad:

100Mhz? Wow, those are some seriously messed up stix.....
02-13-2006, 05:24 PM
Veritas.no

Sooooo. Does anyone have some that haven't died?

Still running strong 280 @ 2.7 volts after 3 months. Z503.
02-13-2006, 05:40 PM
mdzcpa

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:
02-13-2006, 05:46 PM
ozzimark

some of us are lucky i guess, or else there's a LOT of people doing something wrong, killing their sticks.
02-13-2006, 05:55 PM
MikalCarbine

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:

Batch and P/N?
02-13-2006, 06:00 PM
HeavyH20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:

You are not overvolting your sticks. The voltage is killing them, and along with it, any profits. So, you have to understand why Crucial would stop making them. There is little money in that market to have that many RMA's.
02-13-2006, 06:02 PM
MikalCarbine

It has been proved that voltage, speeds, and heat are not killing the sticks, read the 55+ pages on DFI Forums, people would run their sticks at 233 with 2.5v with a fan on them and still have them die
02-13-2006, 06:03 PM
Deus Falsus

Could it be the board? It can't be heat because most people actively cool them including myself. Before my first sticks died I never EVER took them above 2.5v!!! 3 months later it started crapping out and I noticed increasing to 2.6 did the trick, then 2.7, then 2.8... So even if it were heat related it is still a manufacturing defect that is killing them. I hate to be out of ram for another week but I'll try my luck with newegg and see whatsup.
02-13-2006, 06:04 PM
MikalCarbine

That thread states they are failing on DFI, ASUS and I think MSI boards, so it can't just be the board :confused: :stick:
02-13-2006, 06:05 PM
Deus Falsus

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyH20

You are not overvolting your sticks. The voltage is killing them, and along with it, any profits. So, you have to understand why Crucial would stop making them. There is little money in that market to have that many RMA's.

I'm quite sorry to say that the overwhelming evidence would have you wrong. I pondered why my sticks had died when I had them at only 2.5v and a 120mm blowing directly on top of them.
02-13-2006, 06:21 PM
16floz470ml

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I got the 2 x 1GB Ballistix kit from New Egg. My sticks are refurbished and I got them for $221 shipped. Thanks to however rma'ed these sticks. :) This is just what I needed for my dothan.
02-13-2006, 06:40 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

That thread states they are failing on DFI, ASUS and I think MSI boards, so it can't just be the board :confused: :stick:

they could have a similar defect.. i know the ballistix do draw a pretty intense amount of power...
02-13-2006, 06:59 PM
Repoman

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

100Mhz? Wow, those are some seriously messed up stix.....

Well, at first one would work at 250@2.6v (didn't try further) but the other with the same settings failed at 1:1 down to 140 (130HTT froze the comp). but it worked at 250MHz with 1:2 divider. So it originally crapped out somewhere between 125 and 140, since it was that bad in games but good in pi, I may have accidentally run some benchmarks at 3.2v after I requested the RMA :rolleyes: :clap: They only hit 299 anyway.. ss of 324 though

BTW to the guy with the dothan, that's amazing :slobber: Is it stable?
02-13-2006, 07:03 PM
16floz470ml

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32m stable
02-13-2006, 07:12 PM
16floz470ml

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnJoY

My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.

I think crucial may be getting a bad rap. ;)
02-13-2006, 07:13 PM
foodfightr

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

They are gone from Crucials web site and they just told me that only RMA replacement supplies will be available of the 2 gig sets or 1 gig sticks..

Gone? I see them here:

http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/store/listmodule.asp
02-13-2006, 07:30 PM
Repoman

*cough* that's DDR2..
02-14-2006, 09:08 AM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by douirc

Well, I've been part of the "gang" for about 6 months now, and I'm on my third set. This time I got a set of CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. Before I stick 'em in my mobo, anyone have any suggestions on how to get them to survive longer than 2-3 months?

I plan on running 250 1:1 with auto timings and 2.8V in orange slots with 704-2β BIOS. Any suggetions on BIOS, mem voltage, slot choice or timings?

thanks!

WooHoo! 1 week stable so far :D
running 250 1:1 2.8V (default) with dual core folding 24/7.
02-14-2006, 02:46 PM
stone_cold_Jimi

What is the consensus on the failures, what's happening physically to these sticks? I have a still-good set sitting to one side while some G.Skill fills the gap, but it's a total waste - I'd rather use the Ballistix, because for now it's the better ram.

If we knew what was screwing them up, then we wouldn't do whatever it is. But nobody has a clue what we shouldn't be doing, which is why mine are sitting out. :(

Man, what a shame. Does look like it has gone for good -

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/show...px?i=2676&p=17
02-14-2006, 06:34 PM
Veritas.no

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

they could have a similar defect.. i know the ballistix do draw a pretty intense amount of power...

Are they dieing (that sounds worng) just on A64 boards, or on Intel boards as well?
02-15-2006, 07:12 AM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi

What is the consensus on the failures, what's happening physically to these sticks? I have a still-good set sitting to one side while some G.Skill fills the gap, but it's a total waste - I'd rather use the Ballistix, because for now it's the better ram.

If we knew what was screwing them up, then we wouldn't do whatever it is. But nobody has a clue what we shouldn't be doing, which is why mine are sitting out. :(

Man, what a shame. Does look like it has gone for good -

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/show...px?i=2676&p=17

I think the general consensus is bad sticks are bad sticks, regardless how you run them. I've run two sets at stock ratings and they've gone bad on me. People have run them below stock and have had them go bad. It's not the environment the sticks are run in but poor mfg'ing (either materials or assembly or a combo of both) that's causing the problem. If ya got a pair, load 'em up. They do you no good sitting in a drawer. If they die, RMA, and keep trying until you get a set that's stable. But you should run stock settings so you know if it was you or the sticks that went bad ;)
02-15-2006, 07:48 AM
MikalCarbine

Quote:

Originally Posted by douirc

I think the general consensus is bad sticks are bad sticks, regardless how you run them. I've run two sets at stock ratings and they've gone bad on me. People have run them below stock and have had them go bad. It's not the environment the sticks are run in but poor mfg'ing (either materials or assembly or a combo of both) that's causing the problem. If ya got a pair, load 'em up. They do you no good sitting in a drawer. If they die, RMA, and keep trying until you get a set that's stable. But you should run stock settings so you know if it was you or the sticks that went bad ;)

I agree entirely. I don't think people are ready to accept that micron just made a bad batch, something might have went wrong in the fab process or what not :stick:
02-15-2006, 10:04 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Yeh, you guys are right - I might as well use them until they break. These ones are hot ones, better dig out the 92mm Zalman again.

Edit: Wah! They're brilliant. Suddenly I got 2500 MHz CPU at stock volts, ram at 250 3-3-3-8 1T 2.6v (like, "auto" heh). Amazing. :D
02-17-2006, 08:20 PM
bobov

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.
02-18-2006, 07:10 AM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobov

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.

It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you could post what you got. My current set is CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. This way we know what's good and what dies.
02-18-2006, 08:43 AM
Hellion

Mine are V batch still alive and running almost 15 days.I hope they never die.O did last night 200loops memtest x86 test 5 at 265 mhz 2.5v.Weird is they are not benefited from higher vdimm.I use release bios on dfi expert which is weird too considering all latter perform poorly(i see most people here using 704bta with these memory sticks).
02-18-2006, 09:22 AM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by douirc

It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you could post what you got. My current set is CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. This way we know what's good and what dies.

Mine are RMAed from newegg on Dec. CL1115Y.6K 56278 BL12864Z503.16TD.

2.6V 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz
2.6V 3-3-3-8 @ 280MHz

I won't use vdimm > 2.6v for safe.
02-18-2006, 12:27 PM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobov

Mine are RMAed from newegg on Dec. CL1115Y.6K 56278 BL12864Z503.16TD.

2.6V 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz
2.6V 3-3-3-8 @ 280MHz

I won't use vdimm > 2.6v for safe.

interesting...i lowered my vdimm to 2.6v and it's running 250 stable. can you post a snapshot of A64 Tweaker V0.60 beta so we can see your timings. Also, you set those timings, or just put everything on auto?
02-19-2006, 11:52 AM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by douirc

interesting...i lowered my vdimm to 2.6v and it's running 250 stable. can you post a snapshot of A64 Tweaker V0.60 beta so we can see your timings. Also, you set those timings, or just put everything on auto?

I just set vdimm 2.6v, change tcl=3 trcd=3 trp=3 tras=8 trc=7, MAL=8 ns, Read Preamble = 6ns. others on Auto.

I can run my ballistix 280MHz 2.6V 3-3-3-8 1:1 superpi 32M stable on my dfi expert.

PS:// I'm using 12/07 BIOS.
02-19-2006, 11:57 AM
MikalCarbine

What tRef, Data/Drive does auto set for you with your expert?
I keep getting crashes in AOE3 with pretty loose timings

And my expert keeps undervolting the memory..
02-19-2006, 12:05 PM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

What tRef, Data/Drive does auto set for you with your expert?
I keep getting crashes in AOE3 with pretty loose timings

And my expert keeps undervolting the memory..

tRef = 3072
Don't know Data/Drive values. But A64 tweaker shows the Drive Strength is weak.
02-19-2006, 12:06 PM
MikalCarbine

Everest will tell you your Data Str

tRef is 18? what about the xxxmhz x.xus value for it? or the value in BIOS ie: 3072
02-19-2006, 12:13 PM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Everest will tell you your Data Str

tRef is 18? what about the xxxmhz x.xus value for it? or the value in BIOS ie: 3072

Oh, i'm sorry. I mean trfc = 18.

tref = 3072.

no everest, so I can't help you for the data strength. sorry
02-20-2006, 11:39 AM
MikalCarbine

Question:

You set you vDimm to 2.6, but what does MBM5 read it as? Or BIOS/ITE
02-20-2006, 03:02 PM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Question:

You set you vDimm to 2.6, but what does MBM5 read it as? Or BIOS/ITE

set vdimm 2.6v in bios, mbm5/ITE read 2.51v, bios read 2.56v.
02-20-2006, 03:04 PM
MikalCarbine

At least I know it isn't just my expert... do you think it is actually undervolting or just the crappy sensors?
02-20-2006, 04:26 PM
bobov

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

At least I know it isn't just my expert... do you think it is actually undervolting or just the crappy sensors?

Don't know. :)

It doesn't matter. My ballistix is running perfect fine on my expert.
02-20-2006, 05:31 PM
MikalCarbine

I can't seem to get mine stable on my Expert =\
02-21-2006, 02:34 PM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobov

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.

glad you posted this. got mine running 270 2.6v 3-3-3-8 piece of cake. haven't tried higher yet. thought i'd let 'em breathe here for a little first.
03-01-2006, 10:34 AM
douirc

WooHoo...3 weeks stable and counting! :)
03-01-2006, 10:45 AM
OV3RCLOCK3R

280 3-3-3-8 2.65v 5months stable and counting:D
03-15-2006, 07:22 PM
AceGoober

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...postcount=1131

I ran a Prime95 8 hour test and they appeared to operate fine, according to the results of the test.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...postcount=1145

The problem I am experiencing is the fact I had to raise the voltage (after 2 months) in order to regain system stability at stock speeds.

If / when I have to RMA these for a 3rd time (running at stock speeds), then the manure is going to hit the fan (can you say "lemon law" I know you can) and Crucial will refund me my money.
03-16-2006, 06:52 AM
douirc

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceGoober

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

when did you receive your last set? i got mine 1 month and 1 week ago and they've been rock solid stable at 2.6v and will do 280 at 2.6 so far. i'd RMA again as they're bound to get it right eventually.
03-16-2006, 07:02 AM
gocchin

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceGoober

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...postcount=1131

I ran a Prime95 8 hour test and they appeared to operate fine, according to the results of the test.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...postcount=1145

The problem I am experiencing is the fact I had to raise the voltage (after 2 months) in order to regain system stability at stock speeds.

If / when I have to RMA these for a 3rd time (running at stock speeds), then the manure is going to hit the fan (can you say "lemon law" I know you can) and Crucial will refund me my money.

That's exactly what happened to me with 3 sets... I've had to raise vdimm from 2.6 to 2.9 just to be able to boot into windows!! And that is after 2 months of operating fine at 2.6v.
03-16-2006, 05:35 PM
Coroner Kyle

I've got a set of Ballistix Tracers (same as normal Ballistix, but w/ LEDs (they were on rebate at the time so I picked them up)), but when I run them at all auto settings in bios w/ 2.6 actual vdimm they will pass Memtest x86, but when I go into Windows and try to run dual Spi, Windows does a hard freeze and that is just Spi 1M. I have had these sticks sitting here for about a month after running them for about a month and I felt like they were starting to crap out. So today I decided to put them in to find out and I am getting the results mentioned. Time to RMA to Crucial or are the sticks really picky and I should try manually setting the sticks?

Note: I usually just boot on all auto just to make sure the sticks boot fine and run stock timings before I start playing with the timings. Also on all auto settings they do boot at 3-3-3-8 (i.e. stock timings).
04-12-2006, 01:44 PM
douirc

well, i'm at 2 months steady 260 3-3-3-8 2.6v and haven't had a hiccup yet. maybe i got lucky...maybe they got the batch mix right ;)

(by the way...this is my third set from Crucial...so if yours go bad...just keep rma'ing until you get a set that are good)
09-23-2006, 08:24 PM
RafaDel

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

almost what i was trying to say.. i think it's more that we won't see any more ballistix with the current ic, but something new. ;)

Right from a long time ago... Now we know... 5B-F:D
09-23-2006, 08:27 PM
RafaDel

Interesting behaviour... These new Ballistix perform quite different...

Can do 270 Memtest86+ clean at 2.65V. More volts needed to stabilize SuperPI (2.85)...

Also could set Read Preamble as low as 4.0...

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