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Still dont have a clue what is going on here. When I ran 05 on my DFI expert on stock FX57 and evga 7800gtx 512 i remember scoring 9060.
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sorry i lost the file i cant enlarge it. dont know what the hell im doing wrong atm. guess i got alot to learn bout this board or something
You don't have much to learn about your mobo.
But you sure do need to look over your a64 tweaker lol:rolleyes:
Hmm maybe im missing something
bios settings
Chipset:
k8 to nb - 4x
sb to nb - 4x
mem:
memlock mode - limit
memlock freq - 200
1T timings 3-8-33
drive str - norm
data drive strength - disabled
trdd - auto
trc - auto
trfc - 24t
tref - 7.8us
twcl - 1
read preamble - 9.5
asyc lat - 11
cpu fsb 250
sb to nb oc manual
sb to nb freq - 200
Are you sure those are your memory timings for your Ballistix? Cuz from the looks of them, they look more like timings for GDDR.....I know nothing about good Ballistix timings, but I have a feeling that you may have confused the settings. Those timings are WAY too loose for DDR ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Try these:
memlock mode - limit
memlock freq - 200
1T timings 3-8-33
drive str - norm
data drive strength - auto?
trdd - 3
trc -8
trfc - 14
tref - 1.95us
twcl - 1
read preamble - 5
asyc lat - 8
Those are pretty loose timings in general so your sticks should do that. Let us know how they work out......
Also, if anybody's interested in the differences in the Rev. AD0 Dfi boards, I started a thread HERE.
Much <3 for the expert :woot:
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steve I wish I could match your MAL and RP but I don't think it's gonna happen with my opty on a divider. :p:
Hehehe...it's not gonna happen with ANY Opty and no divider :p: BTW, I've run the RP as low as 2.5, but it doesn't give enough stability for me to use consistently....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMeatFrog
TheMeatFrog - nice results :slobber: and thats on expert? :woot: what ram is it?
Thanks man, the ram is Corsair PC3500 old school bh-5 :) I want some -0 cooling but I'm afraid my opty will cold bug at like -10 then I would have a very expensive subzero paper weight. :p:
@CrashOv3r1De
you're not going to best s7e9h3n, get over it
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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
3-3-3-8 is loose ram timings for ballistix? that is what most people run ballistix at to get it to around the 270-280 point? or are you refering to something else
What do you guys think of the OCZ 3700 EB Platinums? I have 2x512 of these...
Now I am not an extreme overclocker going for world records but want to maximize my Opteron 170/Expert combo on my Vapochill :).
Seeing it hasa divider of 10 I guess I would need up to 280 depending on luck if I would run 1:1. Or is this just silly fine using dividers?
If I really want to I can, I can always go out and buy a cascade which is what I have been thinking about anyway, money is not a problem for me when I want something done.Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
Well here is my default for the ballistix everything @ stock settings, except i made sure ram running at 1T
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But heck, you're still trying to go after him with the Asus........ I'd save the bucks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
I just want to find out what the hell is going on here first. I cant make a decent run if im getting 9060 STOCK on eXpert with FX57 @ stock and eVGA 7800GTX at stock that is absurb. I am running 250x12 on the Asus and im using XFX @ 600/1800 which is damn better than the eVGA so what the hell am i missing
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CPU @ stock this is too weird. same settings got me 9060 on expert and the evga was clocked lower than the xfx!
got 8722 something is wrong here!
The auto on that board is pretty lenient. You should be able to run 2-2-2-5 1T at 200MHz with Z503.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
The only way you'll be able to top/match stephen's times is with the same hardware, you're not going to do it with the Asus. Even if you have the same hardware as steve cascade and all you'd still need some luck to out run him. I mean let's face it, hes very good at what he does. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
OT: LOL man I hate reading these boards when I'm at work, always makes me wish I was home playing with my system. :p:
i think ocz tony might have posted some expert settings for the eb in his sticky at bleedinedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by oqvist
Its not like he did a 3.9ghz bench man...Those settings are in range for cabce 0516 if you have the proper cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMeatFrog
breaking WR is about money these days.
Crash the bet is for if you can boot at his settings on the asus. How do you plan on doing that when the asus doesnt deliver enough vdimm to get bh5 that high? just a thought unless u vmod it to death. Secondly you said you could bot at those settings with your moded vapo. A cascade doesn't sound like a vapo to me hmmmmmm.
EDIT because I can't spell. Also think my a key is dying
Im not using bh5. Im using ballistix for chirssake. i can do 300mhz @ 2.8-.9v
I know you are using ballistix but to boot at his settings you need bh5.
I doubt he wants me to boot as his ram timings. He just wants me to boot at the same cpu freq and all.
I dont care about this competion now i dont even have my cooling.
If you havent noticed im trying to get some help in this thread regarding my 3dmark score but everyone keeps on asking me questions about the competition or something....And ballistix does not like high vdimm fyi so i never need a vmod.
Someone please scroll up and maybe you can help me. I cant understand why i got 9060 on stock fx57/evga gtx512 on the expert but only 8760 on 250x12 and xfx @ 600/1800 its confuysing the hell out of me. i am guessing some bios settings need to be readjusted because the setup defaults are setting some incorrect parameters. no way should my overclcoked score on a8n32 be lower than stock score on expert.
so how is this mainboard doing on the mem feeding?
does it fluctuates?
Not really...
Hmm i think the boards "auto" settings are not right for my rig or something//./
why is fsb 800?
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Crash, if you need some help with the Asus, I'd start another thread or post in the wiz-bang Asus thread that is already going. Getting help in a DFI Expert thread for your Asus might be tough:)
QFT. In the Asus thread or in the 3d section would be best instead of a dfi thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
And
Words say it all. You need bh5 to boot at those setting which means u need a higher vdimm as ballistix doesn't make the cut for such tight timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Back on topic now I would say yes the expert is worth. Takes a little while to tweak but offers the best performance out there thus far.
I'd have to agree. Put the performance together with the best voltage options, BIOS tweaks, and layout in the land, and its probably the top pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
absolutely, and the work tony, opb and others have done by posting detailed mem settings makes this a great choice for any level overclocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
glad i ordered one now, after reading these last few comments :p:
it should be here tomorrow, fingers crossed i get a good'un :toast:
i just hope i can figure out all these new settings, hehehe :rolleyes:
it's gonna be a fun filled next few days methinks :D
There really aren't many "new" settings, it's just that some of the old ones behave a little differen't. To be honest the switch for me from classic NF4 to the expert really wasn't as difficult as I thought it was going to be. ;) GL with and enjoy your new toy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
:toast:
I understand, just needs some vmods, oldschool style then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
crash, give up.
give up on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Hehehhe.....NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY will be able to match my numbers with phase. The only way possible may be with DI or a weak cascade. My autocascade is a one-of-a-kind unit which has been modded for phase. 14 gases, 6 heat exchangers and perfect A64 temps:
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Of course if you had the money to buy one of these units new, if you can find one, a brand new one costs in the range of $20,000 ;)
Holy $#:£ :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
s7e9h3n You should be proud of yourself. All of that wasted money,time,and effort,for what? 1-2 sec. better SuperPi Time. HA ha.:clap:
That's quite possibly the most over-the-top... object... I've ever seen in my life! I mean: fair play, you're a computer enthusiast; I spend most of my life putting these damn computers together myself, but I'd have at least thought +30°c was a low enough temperature for a processor, let alone -87.2°c!Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
It's not as if you can take it with you, either. Unless you're planning on using it to preserve your body or something? Tsk, I think you'll have to rethink the scale of the design completely for that task, unless you were only thinking of preserving a certain part of your anatomy that you may deem to be worthy of greatest priority? ;)
Peeps have to try run with <-65C cpu core temp and high clocked mhz cpu first to really understand:)Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
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man called (E):Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
I don't think you understand the point of XS... :stick:
C’mon s7e9h3n, another post like this and I’m gunning for ya…… Look out son, there’s ‘bout to be a new sheriff in town. :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
(Somebody please wake me up; no wait, give me a few more hours.)
Well, If you ever need high vdimm, just go buy a ocz booster and no need to vmod the board
What did you pay for it?(If you actually paid $20,000 for that unit, you're a madman in my eyes:eek2: :eek: )Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
No,its more like "do you remember why you even got into the oc'ing game?"Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
I do. I had a 450Mhz K6-2 chip,and my buddy bought a brand-new pentiumIII 733MHz chip. I didn't want to buy a whole new set-up,so I went on a mission to oc that sucker. Well I was able to get it to 560Mhz and the rest is history..
Now if a person spends tons and tons of money for the simple art of oc'ing,you have defeated the purpose of even oc'ing. Its become an addiction,and a very unsatisfying one at that.
I'm personally more impressed when someone can take a cheap cpu,mix it with an unknown/untested mobo,and buy cheap ram and get their system to 3.0GHz,as opposed to someone who buys a 1,500$ cpu,400.00$ ram,2000.00 cooling,etc. and gets to 3.8GHz :rolleyes: Big deal....for that much money it should run at 9.0GHz
If getting a few "wow your cool" and "man thats a sweet overclock" replies on a message board justify spending thousands of dollars,I say "go for it". IMO stupid way to spend money.
The law of diminishing (marginal) returns
When one of the factors of production is held fixed in supply, successive additions of the other factors will lead to an increase in returns up to a point, but beyond this point returns will diminish.
You're still missing freecableguys point. It's not 'bout saving money, it's not 'bout value, and it's not 'bout what's important to you..... It's 'bout pushing hardware to the very edge accomplishing something no one else has. It’s the challenge, knowledge, and the effort it takes to be “King of the Hill”…… People have been doing this since the beginning of time in all walks of life, some here are doing the same…. That’s why this is XS! :D :D
You utterly and completely missed the point FCG was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
This is XS. Home of the xtreme overclockers. This is not CostEffectiveSystems.com. Few of our top clockers care about dimishing returns. Its not about bang for the buck. Its about pushing for the top of the heap. Its the same story in all challenging and competitive hobbies. The last few increments in performance takes a lot of money and time. This doesn't mean that we cannot appreciate good overclocks from folks that have less time and money...we certainly do give kudos for that too. But, we also appreciate our top clockers who go to xtremes.
EDIT - LOL, looks like pcdoc1 beat me to the same reply:)
You guys must of missed me saying in my post.....
If getting a few "wow your cool" and "man thats a sweet overclock" replies on a message board justify spending thousands of dollars,I say "go for it". IMO stupid way to spend money.
A fool and his money.....Well you know the rest ;)
Lol........... That's a first, at my age you get used to picking up the crumbs. ;)
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Originally Posted by man called (E)
Sounds to me like jealousy or sour grapes. But, either way, if you cannot appreciate the xtreme end of the hobby, why are you even here?
If you are flame baiting....which i now suspect you are, consider this reminder that such behvior is not welcome here.
That said, let's put this thread back on topic! Keep it about the Expert and whether the board is "worth it". Thanks.
I think it may the words "stupid" and "fool" that got you a response......Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
EDIT: Opps, I'm slow again...... BOT
Don't assume you know how much I've spent on my system or tell me I've wasted my time, effort, and money. I've bought things over time and definately am not one to spend frivolously. I've also tested more cpu's than you've probably seen in your life but it doesn't mean I bought every single one of them :rolleyes: Just because you can't afford anything better than a K6 - 450 doesn't mean that you have to hate on people that can. Oh, BTW, I don't have to buy the most expensive cpu's to get high clocks:Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
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Now go find something better to do than hanging out @ Xtremesystems and telling everyone they've spent too much on their rigs......
Not even 1/20th of that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jochenp
Ahh did hurt someones feelings? By your response,I would guess your around 16 or 17 years old. I mean really the word "gay" is so weak. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
As I already stated "You should be proud of yourself" Give yourself a pat on the back. Maybe you can get an FX60 and get it up to 4GHz...Wow!
Hehehe...28 years old with a business degree from U.C. Berkeley....I am quite proud of myself since I don't need to troll forums and put down other people's systems/accomplishments to make up for my own inadequacies.....Quote:
Originally Posted by man called (E)
Lol
Lol
Sorry, my mistake. No more troll feeding......... :cool: BOTQuote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
How much someone spends on a computer is really their business only and no one else's (except maybe their spouse's ;) ). Some people have more money than others and different priorities in life. Just because someone doesn't spend his or her money the way you would, doesn't make them an idiot. It would actually be a boring world if everyone thought the same way and bought the same things.
Guy please get back on topic... Thank you!
No not now I have the popcorns ready and the sun glasses on to be prepared for a nice flame war :).
Guess you should know better then comments on peoples rig in a forum like this :D
Well said, my friend. And that's where we will leave this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Any more off topic BS and the thread will be scrubbed and locked (and vacations granted). Keep it on Expert...period.
F:banana: :banana: K.. My expert just died and took fx-55, x1800XT, 2gb tracer with it :nuts:
What happened:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
samething happened like yours:(
Smoke came out then next thing.. it won't boot.
What voltages etc, I'm just about to build one so any info that might stop a disaster is more than welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
PS very sorry to hear of your loss.
Sorry for your loss k00lance :(
If i remember correctly, you just got an eXpert around a week ago ?
I just read this entire thread, this has been one of the most entertaining reads in a long time.
Anyways, I'm about to take the plunge from a GA-K8N-pro 754 board and my little champ 3200 a64 that bombs along @ 2.4ghz on air stock voltages, and jump into a DFI Expert/3700sd/2x1gb OCZ.... it looks like I'm about to get SCHOOLED by this thing. Bare with me over the next week or so when I come in asking questions about various bios settings...
Koolance, how the hell did you destroy all your stuff like that?
Sorry to hear about your loss man. :explode2:
Terrible. Not what I wanted to hear after just ordering one
Jeez! Taking out multiple components! Sounds like all voltage regulation fails all at once. Hopefully more details are forthcoming, if not in this thread, then perhaps a new one. Seems threadworthy.
My Expert is back on the bench. I took a break from it to prep the game rig I'm putting together. Nothing extreme (water cooling) just testing memory right now. I'm looking for any sign that my CPUs or memory sticks gain some performance with the Expert vs. my last Ultra. No obvious signs yet. So ... the premium price and the sense of impending doom (bonus!) that comes with the Expert have not yet been offset by a bump in performance for me. I'm still looking though. :D
There is already several threads about this ;).
I hope you didn't get the board from Monarch. They're still screwing me around on replacement.....Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
Glad to hear that :) That even makes it worthwhile of buying it, I may concider buying one when I ever have the money an the "connections" required to buy one.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I am using Expert in my home rig with my new Vapochill LS. So far I'm using my FX57 around 3.45-3.50 ghz for daily use. I'm extremely happy with this board. So I recommend it to everyone who's considering this board for their systems. I think it's better than the old sli-dr bc I also used that board and the layout, voltages and pwm temps are improved in this version
By the way do you guys know a version of Speedfan that works with the Expert? Bc mine shuts down the pc as soon as I start the program
My expert has run into a problem. The memory slot closest to the cpu gives a c1 error on boot. I have a feeling it has to do with condensation spreading to the memory slots - there have been times where I've taken my sticks out after a night of benching and they've felt frozen :rolleyes: Hopefully it's just a minor prob - I'll tear down my insulation and take a look at what may be happening underneath.......
i have a question.
does the processor oc better under phase or di if you switch from sli-dr to expert?
With speedfan you can get around this problem by using the /nosmbscan parameter. However if you are using the newest version of Sisoft Sandra and double click on Mainboard information you will also bring down your pc. I also don't seem to be able to install Smartguardian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozan Baseski
It's pretty annoying and I wish DFI would fix it, otherwise i'm pretty happy with the board also.
I am at a loss for words:) LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by .Cyber1an>>
It really depends on temps and if you have a good cpu or not.
I think this is specific to your system. I've not heard of any other reports like this. Although the Sandra issue is known, I don't think there are any issues with SmartGuardian. Did you do a fresh OS installation? What version of SmartGuardian are you running? (The one that comes with the mobo CD should work fine...but there are different versions out there depending on the monitoring chip on the board)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilsont
Yes that really worked out well. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilsont
I got rma taken care of.. sorta:rolleyes:
The board was used for overclocking but it did not die while it was running.
Simply.. I woke up yesterday.. go on my desktop.. turn on my computer..
then bzz bzz noise and smoke comes out. The board never booted after that.
Btw.. everything was set back to "stock" and the board did not die because of anything related to high voltage.
Argh.. Sorry to hear that..Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
Was wondering if those initial revisions are really causing troubles..
I tried a few more A02s, and everything seems OK so far..
Exactly what happened to me a few weeks ago...... :( Good luck on the RMA........Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
EDIT: AMD handled the RMA promptly without issue. Monarch (on the Expert) appears to be a different story. The jury's still out.
Wow...super bummer!!Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
When you looked at the board, what blew? Could it have been condensation or anything? It sounds much different than the other reports.
Sorry to hear about this:(
Bzzt noise sound familiar with my RDX200:(Quote:
Originally Posted by k00lance
Hows the other components k00lance? Hope all are ok.
Same here...sometimes it happened with cascade and sli-dr and rdx200. A few hours break then it will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
My first Expert died and took my Opty 170 with it. Like the other guy I just shut it down and then it didn't restart in the morning while it was running at stock speed with everything set to auto. My 2nd one now does not turn on if I hold the front power button down to turn it off, and has serious problem with my Mushkin memory modules. I can't even crank up the FSB to 230 without major data corruption or boot problem. I've ordered the 3rd one last night and will RMA this one when it comes in...
I feel pretty disappointed. Perhaps I should switch back to Ultra-D if the 3rd board craps out on me again.
Yep you're right, can install it fine after a reinstall of Windows =)Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
From my experience only the orange slots are decent for overclocking.
I have 2 x 1G of PC4000 Crucial Ballistix and I think I may have done something to one of the sticks as if I just leave it in and clear the CMOS the system will not POST. If I use the other stick it's fine.
If I then go into the bios and set the vdimm to 2.7+ both sticks work again. So I'm not sure if one stick is damaged or what, it seemed to work ok on another motherboard. So the only real outstanding issue I have with this board is some monitoring programs crash the system and I seem to have to really increase the vdimm to get my memory stable.
Unfortunately those Ballsitix sticks have a reputation of dying:( They OC great, but many many folks have reported trouble after a few weeks of use. I'd recommend a google search on this and check it out. You may want to RMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilsont
Can someone please elaborate on DFI's quirks, in general and specifically about the CPU problem? I'm probably ordering an expert edition very soon, but I'd like to investigate more first and know what I'm getting into.
How about the power connectors. Can it be people that uses 4 pin instead of the special 8-pin power connector more likely get this issue?
Guys actually I will going back to the eXpert turns out the A8N32-SLI DLX is not as good as I thought it would be. Really missing what i had
Crawling back, now are you :hrhr:
I got some pretty good clocks using an OCZ 520 with 4 pin. For the max in top end OCing, it likely best to have te 8 pin. But you can get some seriously robust overclocking done using a 4 pin based on my own trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by oqvist
I'm not sure if it contributes to any problems.
That's how I felt when I tried the Asus and put the Expert back in the box. I switched back again in a few days:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
Guys on DFI forum advices against it though. Guess there has to be some reason the DFI don´t recommend that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
I'd have to agree that there is a reason its designed with it. I'm sure it provides better power to the board no doubt. Whether it causes any problems other than decreased high end performance using a 4 pin is another issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by oqvist
I'll be honest, though. I moved to 8 pin PSUs for the same reasons you mention.
do you mean the ModStream, or the Powerstream? I'm planning to buy the 520 Powerstream, and I was under the impression that it does have the 8pin connector... yes/no?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa