That's good to hear. 6800GS is one hell of a bargain too :)Quote:
And with my Card... i take it back on the store and change it with a gs with some money++ of course.
Perkam
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That's good to hear. 6800GS is one hell of a bargain too :)Quote:
And with my Card... i take it back on the store and change it with a gs with some money++ of course.
Perkam
of course the ddr2 version will do bad, there is ALOT less bandwidth which is what the x1600xt needs desperately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athens[2004]
Guess I was wrong to doubt those who said reference cooler doesnt matter...check out this feedback from newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...14-131-317&CMPQuote:
nice card. contrary to rumors, it is better than the xxx0gs, 6304 in 3dmark05. overclocks well and not too hot.
SM3.0 12 pipe Card with 6k++ in 05 w/ only 128-bit Memory !! ... for $179 :p: Sounds like a card i can live with :D
Perkam
Only if you care for 3DMarks....and since when do we trust Newegg reviews? I mean the --> XXX0GS?! rofl :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Take that X1600XT blindfold off man.....we are not talking about half the performance in games, we are talking about a 1/3 of the 6800GS ;)
Hmmm...I'm wondering if I admit that 3dmark IS all I care about, then we wouldn't need to be having this argument eh? ;) :p:
In all seriousness though, the X1600XT isn't that bad, plus I'll be looking to grab one for ~$170 :) or even lower as soon as the X1700 is launched.
Perkam
The question now is how much longer till we get some sweet 45nm graphics chips
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28339
"The new Radeon X1600 XT also features 256-bit ring-bus memory controller and support for up to 512 MB of RAM."
Maybe the 6800GS might be in a bit of trouble.... :slapass:
My condolences to those who bought the 128-bit ones already, if you're considering buying this card, wait another month! :slap: :woot:
Now, there's a chance that the inq is misreading the specs, as the X1600xt already features a 256bit internal memory bus, but it's only connected to a 128bit external memory bus, but if they're right and they are switching to a 256bit external memory bus....
OR 2 or 3 or whenever they feel like itQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
hehe
The current X1600 cards use a 256bit ring bus already. It just a fancy name that a bit misleading. The memory bus still only performs about the same as a 128bit bus.
I was thinking the same thing jjcom, but it wouldn't be hard to change the external memory bus...
They had to re-do the memory controller for 512mb(the original model only supported 256), so it wouldn't have been difficult to switch to 256bit...
correct me if im wrong (its late):
the ATi 256bit bus is internaly (in the gpu) working with 256bit but the bus so the actual communication or whatever u wana call it is stil 128bit.
i think a bit like what ATI says about their r520 wich is 512bit inside but only 256bit in real life performence.
wasnt the x1600 always able to handle 512Mb of memory?
btw it would b a real crappy thing todo vs their custoemrs if they would actualy change the bus from 128 to 256bit and stil keep the same name.
I wouldn't be so sure they had to change anything for the 512mb support...there's already 512mb X1300s out at market. I'm guessing it was just an ancouncement geared to cause talk about the 'new' X1600XTQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Eh, either way, if they do up it it'll make a very nice card... If they don't, the 6800GS is still the card to own in the midrange game today.
they don't have to redo it. With the X800XL they just routed the extra memory on the existing bus behind the original RAM chips, and tweaked the latencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
See the thing about upping to a 256-bit external bus is you need a new core, one with more pins, which means it's no longer pin-to-pin compatible with the X1300. This is the same reason why you can be sure the G73 won't have a 256-bit bus, since it's supposed to be pin-to-pin compatible with the NV43.
The problem is cost the memory on the card, the 256mb of the 1.4ns I believe costs $95. 512mb won't be cheap. Hopefully it won't end up making the card cost $250Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Sounds interesting, though Nvidia won't be in trouble. If it performs a lot better than a 6800GS, out comes another card from nvidia.:)
I still don't understand the reason for 512mb of ram on low end cards. The gpu is still too slow to processor enuff info to saturate all that memory.
its for the people that stil think that the amount of RAM on a grafix card is the main thing that decides its power.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
there sadly are alot of people out there that think this some of those even say they know alot about hardware.
who cares about the x1600xt, the x800xl is much better and costs the same! :stick:
Show me an X800XL for $179, I think you mean the X800GTO? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Two threads on same topic.
--Threads Merged--
Guys think about it , , , Ati cant boost X1600xt because x1800xl is to close then , , , ,
if x1800xl & Xt have 24+ pipes then ok , , , but now if x1600xt with the 12 pipes and ddr3 has 256 pure memory bus then we talk about comfusion
12pipes + ddr3[of xt] + 256bit interface ~ = ~ 16 pipes + ddr3[of xl ] + 256bit :hehe: , , , ,
with simple words ati cant boost x1600 more because of x1800xl ....
So forget the x1700xt & better ver of x1600 for now ..... [am i wrong?]
p.s // shame u gecube 4 your ddr2 cards in the age of 2k5 :D :hehe:
Actually most of your post is accurate...realy 256-bit on the x1600 would require major changes. Though the x1700 may well be a different beast altogether. We'll just have to wait and see ;)Quote:
So forget the x1700xt & better ver of x1600 for now ..... [am i wrong?]
p.s // shame u gecube 4 your ddr2 cards in the age of 2k5
Perkam
the x1600xt is no where near 1/3. and as seen with newer drivers it competes well with AA onQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim
Not at higher resolutions it doesn't sabre, that 128bit memory bus cripples it badly.
in fear the x1600xt is faster, in BF2 with AA on the x1600xt is faster in all res. Seems that very shader intensive games are faster on it. It also comes very close in several other games such as COD2, the drivers are still immature. Also consider the fact that it's about $30 cheaper than a 6800GS and it looks to be a pretty good deal.
It's now available in Canada...the XT...at some places $50 cheaper than the cheapest GS :D
Perkam
In Portugal, the X1600pro is at 135 euros and X1600XT at 195 euros :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
The 6800GS are at 260/280 euros :nono:
Asus MRVP + 2xX1600pro may be a very very good deal ;)
Yup...as of now, you can get a x1600 crossfire setup for $500...which includes the motherboard and both cards...for some SM3.0 10k 05 action.
Perkam
links would make your argument a lot more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
mmm...looks like ATI may get some very nice sales over in your area. 195 Euros vs 260 is no contest in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
this or the powercolor X800GTO 16 i cant decideeeeeeeee
when is the 256-bit x1600xt coming out?
There won't be a "true" 256bit X1600XT. The X1600XT uses a 256bit ring bus which performs about the same a standard 128bit bus.
so is it worth the wait for the newer x1600xt?
I would guess no, but you never know. I'm quite happy with my X800GTO right now though.
The X1600XT can reach X850XT levels in 05...the GTO cannot ;) ... though 3dmarks is about all where thats true...the gto's 256-bit leaves it behind...but not by much...
Remember also that the X1600XT is SM 3.0, has loads of multimedia features, doesn't need a vmod for oc's and will only get better with drivers.
Perkam
ooo0o0o0o SM 3 i didnt know about that. SO should i order one now or wait for the newer version??
em4our, YGPM ;)
Perkam
I'm gonna pick one up i think. My 6600gt is dead and newegg doesnt have a direct replacement.
Should i wait for next version?
so there is going to be a better version then the one at the egg right now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by vapb400
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...tream_pure.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
AA on:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...ream_candy.gif
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...ames-2005.html
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X16_GS/fear.htm
scroll down to the exe fix
Yes. Ones with better Coolers and vivo functionality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welz
Perkam
worth the wait?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
i was gonna order one for Xmas
Going by the inquirer, along with the price update there is a hardware update; upgrade to a 256-bit memory bus. http://theinquirer.net/?article=28339
the inquirer is not to always correct...Quote:
Originally Posted by keiths
but 256bit memory on the x1600xt would pwn
I'm going to clarify this once and for all. The Inq is referring to the memory read which is done through 256-bit bus...all memory writes are done via 128-bit bus.
THERE IS NO WAY TO ADD ANYTHING NEW TO THE ARCHITECTURE. It's either 128-bit or the X1800's 256-bit, which ATI will require bigger changes. It isn't easy as adding a few transistors.
Welz, its not worth the wait if:
A. YOu need it for solely gaming and benching
B. You're fine with the stock cooler
C. You need one before christmas (others are coming later)
And yes 256-bit would pwn...but it would result in greater memory bandiwth than the X1800XL just to give an example, so it is merely a dream.
Perkam
thanks for clarifying that pekram.
yea i think ill order one know, as i have a zalman VF700-CU to put on it, and i dont use vivo :rolleyes:
X1600XT is optimized for heavy work/pixel ratio, hence the low ROPs, etc.
It'll only get better with time as much more intensive games come out.