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Very nice scores guys. I hope they fix ATITool for you guys though, im curious if it really helps you on the memory if OC is loosening something on the ram to get higher clocks or not.
EVA: Said this in another post, my guess is mid 70's are pretty safe. Ran an X800Pro with those temps for about a year and its still working today even after a pipemod. Hope to see some faster scores there :)
thanks deathman20 yet again for yoru help and responses. I suppose 1 day of it running into the 80-90's isn't going to kill or weaken the card (will it?!?!). From now on I am going to ramp the speed of the fan up to a sweet spot to keep the card in the mid 70's. I searched high low for an answer to this question and must have missed the post from EVA about this answer so I apologize. If anyone has any other ideas on this matter to add please do share such as what your idle and load temps are and what you feel is safe and danger zone.
I am glad your x800pro is still running after a year at those temps, that is good to know. I bought a BBATI because of their local warranty. I only live about 20 mins from their HQ making a drop off real easy however I had to pay a premium for this card over a cheaper one made by another manufacturer. ATI used to have 3 year warranty however I just recently found out it is only 1 year now which really blows.
Well tonight once it gets cold out I am going to draw all that air in here and start overclocking my CPU to 3GHz and doa run at 750/900. Also I am going to push the voltage alittle more on it as well. My Load temps are pretty cool once I have a lot of cold air in my room. So I don't think I have anything to worry about then.
All the best ugp :)
Anyone try undervolting their GPU volts ? i'm find at 621/747 with GPU volt dropped from 1.275v to 1.2v in ATI Tool heh
Nice.. What are the temps with your voltage dropped like that?
Undervolt X1800XT GPU from 1.275v to 1.2v
Idle:
ATI Tool send GPU and GPU Env to sensor 5 and 6 respectively to get MBM5 to record temps. If you run ATI tool with MBM5, the average GPU, GPU Env get messed up heh
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...12_idle_tn.jpg
Load levels off at 55C so far
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...12_load_tn.jpg
Eva,
That was a great read my friend, tons of useful info, good stuff. :toast:
OPP
Too bad the retail X1800XT cards are suffering the infamous cold bug. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Thanks OPP ... lots of fun at my end too :D
Hopefully, I can get my hands on a phase change unit before Xmas and give my cpus a booster injection :banana:
I do have to say though yours uses less amps according to ATITool then my X1800XL does for similar volts, and well as best of clocks I can get (tops out around 30-35.5A).
Guess I'll post that question over on the other board.
Well trying ATI Tool show 3D windows which seems to draw more load and 3C more load temps ... will let it run a bit and post screenie :)
lol, don't you have an FX 57 0516 WPMW, if so you really should freeze it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
yeah have FX-57 0516WPMW as well as a few Opterons hehe.. no phase change unit though waiting on one hehe.. maybe before Xmas or after heh
once i go phase, then watch out guys :slapass: :D
You need to stick that bugger on water.
OPP
Right now I am running my X1800XT on Swiftech MCW 55
idle temps below 27 C's and load temps around 38 C's.
Is it me or do these R520 cores run alot hotter then R480's.
Same watercooling I can run my X850's(1.62vgpu) in CF mode with
two cards looped with 14-16 C's on idle.
Dynasty what's your room ambients ? My room temps are always between 30-32C day and 26-28C night here heh.
I've never water cooled a video card before only cpu... tempted to seeing as SIOUX's responded nicely to water :)
ATI Tool 3d window under load with GPU undervolted
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...windows_tn.jpg
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Dynasty what's your room ambients ?
lol, my pc room in this fridgit climate is always in
winter around 15-18C's. :p:
So about right X1800XT under load is about 20-24C above ambients it seems for water cooled or 36-40C above ambients under load for air heh
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
yes...they do run hotter than the older series of cards:)
What load temps do you get on your waterchiller SIOUX . :)
Right now I'm running 2 X850s in crossfire on my 24/7 rig.
The mastercard is on water, the regular 850 is on air.
The temperature difference is a lot, especially under load.
In my book, water cooling is a must have when it comes to running graphic cards, extends the life of the card for one thing.
OPP
Idle
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=40631&stc=1
Load
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=40632&stc=1
OT: Oppainter - Have you tried to push the X850CF yet? Just preparing for a run myself in the next couple of days...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
When the chiller is 0 degrees watertemp, my max load temp with 1.6v is 28 degrees:)
No I haven’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeguava
I did do a little testing, no V-mods, and the X850CF memory was pretty good but until I put it on water I couldn't even overclock the core at all.
OPP
Same here - memory is great but the core / memory controler is holding it back - even with vmods - I went form 650 stock to 655 vmodded on the memory ..lol. Heat seems to be the culprit - with Pelted Core the memory went up to 680mhz ( tight) and core came alive going form vmodded 650 air to 760Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
On my X850 CF card, I am using 1.62 Vgpu for 650 clks on core.
Mem does 600-620 with default VDD.
On stock cooling/no vmods the X850 CF I have does 599.
Water cooled/Vmodded
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4...0cfcard1qd.gif
Water cooled/no mods
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1...fnomods6ua.gif
Thank you very much :toast: This certainly looks more like it. Stock air.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...0XT750-875.jpg
damn what a sweet 01 score. I just beat 31k with my x1800xt and I was happy but not anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Nice :DQuote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Whats cooling your Opty?
Stock Mach II with ricky tweak, about -5 @ load in mbm5
You ran ATI Tool for voltage and Overclocker for card clocks(2D or 3D)? I can't get my XT anywhere near the clocks in '01 that it can do in '05.Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Yes, ATItool for volts and OC tool 2D for clocks. Win 2000 dx8.1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/44.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
nice score:toast: can you post the details of the run? :)
ty, here you go.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8811962
oh come on, i dunno about that. Air is perfectly fine, especially at stock speeds, i wouldn't say water extends the life of a card, modern video cards are designed to run hot, if the stock heatsinks were not adequate, they wouldn't use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I am going to have to remove two of my 4 sticks of ram on a cold night and hit 3GHz on my Sandy and see what I can do then. I have a baby going to be here tomorrow...they are inducing labor in the morning at 8am so I will have to put everything on hold until then. I have a lot of cold nights left to beat eva2000s score in 3DMark05 though.
Take care everyone and happy overclocking
Designed to run hot is an understatement lol! Just curious what is the rated max for the X1800 core?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
I have noticed this with both my XL and XT x1800 card. 01 for whatever reason is much harder on the card than any of the other 2 3dmarks, aquamark or even games for that matter. I can play games for hours, loop 3dmark03 and 05 for hours without issue however 01 will crash to desktop before too long if I really start to push it. I found on my XL if I just gave an ever so slight bump in volts 01 too would loop for hours on end without issue. Heat is a big issue for me on my XT card which it hitting into the 80's c without much work so raising volts is not an option. I was raising clocks through the overdrive tab in CCC and set them to 690/800 (max) and that would run through any 3dmarks, aquamark and games np but 01 would crash to desktop. The only way to get 01 to loop for hours on end was to lower the core down to about 680 (675 actual). I did this today and was finally able to loop 01 over and over with no title screens between tests for a good 4+ hours. I wish the card didn't get so hot as I would really like to start pushing it more. 675/800(792) is not bad though and nets me nearly 9.6k in 05. I finally beat FEAR on this card today and the ending never played so smooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
I am using v5.11s
I tried getting my Sandy to do 3GHz and it was a no go...temps are fine but I don't think it has what it takes to do it with only 1.65 Volts to it...and I don't want to push it any further than that.
I am going to give reflashing my BIOS on motherboard a try and see if I can get some stable 24/7 clocks. I am very CPU limited here.
Unless someone has a nice Opty they would like to give me:p:
you might need more GPU and mem voltage for 3d2k1Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
try this... run ATI Tool and show 3D window and let it run for say 15-30mins with your overclock GPU/mem settings and see if ATI Tool 3d window's behaviour is closer to 3d2k1 or 3d2k05Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
this is standard behavior of all new cores from ati!!
I have same problem with x1300, 3dmark05 and 03 are less demanding that 3dmark01!!:slapass:
PS. nice clocks :) I will have to push my card to 3GHz to catch you preformance:D
Thanks Lightman. I am running a very poohy cpu right now too. Still running my Winchester that can only 2.48ghz max and with only 225mhz on the FSB before the memory controller craps out. If you guys think you are cpu limited check me out! I really need a new cpu and quick. At least 2.6ghz with a 1M cache.
Eva, I am going to try the show 3D view in ATI Tool now to see what happens after 30 minutes. If it is still runnign strong that is a good sign, it will also show me temps as I know this gets the card quite hot. Upon running it I immediately get a yellow border of blocks surrounding the 3D image that never gets any better or worse. I hope this is a bug in the program as I had the same thing on my weak XL. I would like to think of my XT as working strong and as should. Anyone else getting yellow boxed border around the the 3D image when running it?
for show 3d for X1800XT
- use ATI Tool beta 10
- set to use old artifacting test method in settings panel
yea I found out about the old testing method from my XL which got rid of those yellow boxes. I thought beta 10 had fixed that but I guess not. I take it this is a known problem and without checking off old testing method you too get those yellow boxes?
The weird thing is this. I can run scan for artifacts WITHOUT checking off old compatibility method however show 3D view shows those boxes.
Just to let you know as well I ran show 3D view for about 45 mins and it was still running before I stopped it. I take it all is gravy?
Well with a CPU at 2.75 and ATI @ 750/900 I scored 10,500 in 3DMark05 so I am very CPU limited here. That is the max I think I will hit. I think that is the max I can get on the core and even at that I get artifacts. I shall wait for ATITool to be fixed and then I shall find my stable 24/7 clock.
What do you guys think of the Zalman cooler for these cards? Or would the ATI Silencer be the way to go...? ATI Silencers are the way I always went in the past anyway.
I am unsure if the ATI Silencer will be able to beat the stock ATI cooler as it is already quite beefy and under a similar design. IF so that would be great as I always went the ATI Silencer route in the past as well and loved the cooler temps and MUCH quieter noise.
The Zalman is great on the XL but I don't think it will fare to well on the XT, it just can't handle the load the XT pushes with the much higher clocks and much lower volts. It dropped temps a good 10c on my XL though.
Culd someone tel me this picture, http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=852&pageID=1853 why have x1800xt 1 milion transitor more off xl :woot:
pretty dam good that UGP!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ugp
I get 10,100 at 729/865 at 2608mhz on my 4400+, so seems about right.
so i see 5.11 drivers are pretty optimised for dual core cpus too ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Here's my first run using Farcry v1.33 with HardwareOC's Farycry Benchmark v1.4.2 http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1870
System
Opteron 146 CAB2E 0540FPMW @3000mhz
DFI NF4 Ultra-D 704-2BTA
2x512MB XMS3500C2v1.1 BH-5 @250mhz 2-2-2-5
74GB Raptor OS
160GB Seagate 7200.7 NCQ
510W PC Powercooling SLI PSU
512MB HIS X1800XT @621/747 stock speeds
Cat 5.11 drivers
Settings:
- Max Quality
- 4xAA/16xAF
- Demo run = 5 runs
- Shader Model 3.0
Demo:
HardwareOC Steam results
HardwareOC Archive resultsQuote:
Resolution: 640×480
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 97.04 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 100.37 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 96.89 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 98.39 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 100.27 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 98.59 FPS
Resolution: 800×600
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 96.89 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 99.46 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 100.08 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 97.91 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 101.74 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 99.21 FPS
Resolution: 1024×768
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 96.52 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 96.79 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 97.75 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 103.11 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 103.04 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 99.44 FPS
Resolution: 1280×1024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 87.84 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 92.77 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 94.50 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 94.75 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 95.16 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 93.00 FPS
Resolution: 1600×1200
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 70.83 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 75.19 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 75.37 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 75.27 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 75.94 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 74.52 FPS
Seems always the first run is lower ?Quote:
Resolution: 640×480
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 169.79 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 180.26 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 181.61 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 181.01 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 180.31 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 178.59 FPS
Resolution: 800×600
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 163.41 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 176.79 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 183.65 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 193.87 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 193.84 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 182.31 FPS
Resolution: 1024×768
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 149.34 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 157.89 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 156.37 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 155.14 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 156.67 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 155.08 FPS
Resolution: 1280×1024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 110.17 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 121.16 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 121.20 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 120.88 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 120.97 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 118.87 FPS
Resolution: 1600×1200
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 78.58 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 81.96 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 81.89 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 81.71 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 81.80 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 81.18 FPS
Cool, i go this, with these settings:
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Pier, demo: 1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: None
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: level 7
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 74.47 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 74.56 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 76.98 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 75.78 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 77.12 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 75.78 FPS
Ill try no HDR next run. Thats with GPU at 690/800 in CCC.
you have AA = none ?
What the hell?????
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Pier, demo: 1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 42.53 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 42.85 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 42.98 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 42.63 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 42.81 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 42.76 FPS
Why the hell is it so low?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
disabled adoptive AA ???:)
Ah, forgot i have that enabled, also didn't realise you can change the level, here is the same level as EVA
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 70.93 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 74.69 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 74.76 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 74.73 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 74.76 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 73.97 FPS
EVA, make sure you run Ultra Quality!;)
woah what a drop.. you have Adapative AA enabled ?
Different level, and yes. ^
am i right that adaptive Aa makes everything look even better (like fences and other stuff). Or was that SuperAA (for crossfire)
so many quality filters I get confused :confused:
weird but higher FPS in Ultra Quality mode @stock 621/747 speeds
HardwareOC Archive results
512MB HIS X1800XT @742/882Quote:
Resolution: 1024×768
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 149.10 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 162.20 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 161.64 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 160.46 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 161.59 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 158.99 FPS
Resolution: 1280×1024
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 113.53 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 125.06 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 125.07 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 124.66 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 124.70 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 122.60 FPS
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 81.40 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 84.99 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 84.55 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 84.53 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 84.48 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 83.99 FPS
Ultra Quality mode
HardwareOC Archive results
HardwareOC Steam resultsQuote:
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 98.25 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 105.19 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 105.13 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 104.99 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 105.02 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 103.71 FPS
Quote:
Resolution: 1600×1200
Ultra quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Steam, demo: hocsteam.tmd
Pixel shader: model 3.0
Antialising: 4×
Anisotrophic filtering: 16×
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: disabled
Normal-maps compression: disabled
Score = 80.43 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 86.57 FPS (Run 2)
Score = 85.89 FPS (Run 3)
Score = 86.54 FPS (Run 4)
Score = 84.30 FPS (Run 5)
Average score = 84.74 FPS
Pretty nice, 20FPS difference with the extra clocks, dam. Bit of a pain in the arse to use ATi-tool and OC tool every time you boot though.
Yeah hopefully either ATI Tool folks or OC Tool folks fix this heh
Hopefully is not even the word for it.
What have you guys found to be the 24/7 type of overclock to stick with? And at what voltages?
good question, sor far I am finding 680/800 stock volts to be best. I am sure the card has much more in it however with my card getting as hot as it is raising volts sounds out of the question for me. 680/800 at stock volts is still quite nice and can play anygame out there just fine. The fan doesn't have to be higher than 50% either to achieve just under 80c which is nice. Any lower and temps get into the 90's for me and any louder and the whine from the fan is just too much.
yeah seems 675/792 sites comfortably
The retailer i got my card from posted this:
ooooh HIS X1800XT Mastercard heheQuote:
The HIS importer has one X1800XT 512mb master card coming in on Tuesday. They've asked me to build it into a PC with another X1800XT-512mb using a DFI Crossfire board - it's for the Atomic awards event at Fox studios on Thursday...hope I can get Crossfire to work - I'll put the benchies here once it comes in.
Im just using 690/800 max i can in CCC, stock volts. I don't wanna up volts, as i want to keep the fan on as low as i can, anything more than 40% is to loud.
yup so it seems a good few of us are in agreeance on this. Max CCC on stock volts is best for performance to noise ratio. I can't loop 01 for hours on end at 690 so I set it to 688 (682 actual) and that seems perfect to loop and play everything under the sun without a single issue in regards to artifacts, vpu recovers, hard locks, resets and crashes to desktop. You really don't need faster than that. It's nice to have but is just a bonus and for wow factor I feel. Call of Duty 2 with everything maxed, 1280 x 1024 and Adaptive AA enabled plays smooth as silk on this card. I played the last 30 minutes of fear on this card and it ran incredible as well with most things maxed minus soft shadows. I can't wait to see what future Catalyst drivers brings to this card.
I am the same with you...running max ATI CCC will let me and with out any problems at all. I am very pleased with that. Runs games just fine in my opinion. But alittle more FPS never hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Future drivers are going to bring out a lot in these cards I think. By far faster performance more than anything.
hehe true but at the expense of extra heat and noise I dunno by how much it's worth it. Believe me, if my card wasn't running so damn hot I would surely push for more. I barely stay under the 80c mark with the fan at 50% and this is in the winter when temps are cooler. I am dreading what the temps will be in the summer heat as it gets quite humid here in Canada. I hit 90c on this card the first day I owned it and it has bothered me ever since as that is much too high, not to mention unexpected on my part. I have been wondering ever since if I have weakened or damaged my card though it seems to be running well. It was suggested to try and stay mid to late 70's which I am doing now but it was never stated unless I missed it as to what the max rated temp was and at what point ATI claims the temperature has entered the danger zone. I know the little temp meter in CCC overdrive can fluctuate greatly with the needle jumping a whole other line by a simple 1c increase. I wish I had checked where on the meter the card was when it was in the 90's but I'm sure it was far into the red. I was much too worried to think about stuff like that at the time so exited 3dmark asap.
http://www.theinq.com/?article=28117
Please let it be the 5.12 drivers.
hmmm interesting but good.
Check anandtech, it's nothing much really.... might be good for 3dmark though?
something is definitely up with your cardQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
have you checked the heatsink is making good contact maybe reapply some thermal paste ?
Yea all seems fine. I have to wonder though, why do you think something is up with my card? Is 78c max with a fan load of only 50% really that bad? I thought that was the norm with these cards? Some people still hit 80c with the fan at double the speed running at 100%. My card idles from 55-58c just like everyone else as well. Perhaps I am missing something but again I am still on stock cooler with fan at 50% not 100% like some are running. I set up ATI Tool to throttle the fan depending on the cards temp and the fan only kicks into 50% above 79c. Anything under that and the card fan runs at 40-45% tops.
I was thinking of changing the stock thermal paste to ceramique to see if it would net me any gains however I have heard of very few people actually doing this with any success. One individual changed thermal paste and is now getting worse temps. Until I know for sure I will see some sort of gain I really don't want to muck with this card just yet. Only had it 3 days now. I thought it was you who posted or was quoted on posting that under 80c is just fine as a temp for this card especially on lower than 100% fan speed?
Well not exactly an XT mind you but my XL running at 1.275/2.102/2.102 with 650/675 is running in the low 60's with the zalman. That is truely starting to sound very warm.
while i run without a case my room ambients are between 30-33C and X1800XT even oc'd never hit past 69C on 45% fan speed... at 100% it's between 62-68C
seems like it wasn't a X1800XT crossfire card the retailer got shipped
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Bleh! Shows you how much disties know about the stuff they import - what he handed me today was an X850XT Crossfire card, not an X1800XT.
It gets 5960 in single card mode and 8400 in Crossfire mode under 3dm05 with a 3500+ at stock. Think I'll jam an x1800XT in there instead.
Well I dunno what to say to the last two posts about my temps cause they are what they are and I don't have any ideas on how to lower them. As for putting the Zalman on the XT I don't think it would be up to the job imo.
have you used your hand to check heat and air is being exhaused out of the pci slot grill ?
Managed to squeeze out a tiny 5 extra pts hehe
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...0_11012_tn.jpg
Ya I checked. I was actually quite surprised to see just how much air was actually pushed out of the back of this thing. You can feel it from a good few inches back from the case and yea it was quite warm to the touch.
Thanks for your continued interest and concern on this matter however. With your card doing so well you could just be ignoring my posts as tough luck but you aren't. What are your thoughts on changing the stock paste to ceramique?
Yeah on 100% fan speed it exhausts ALOT of air out!
Strange is i've been frequently several forums' ATI sections and folks with BBATI brand of X1800XT seem to get higher temps... unless on those forums you're the same poster that is ? :)
80C some folks say is normal - it probably is but you're not going to get much oc out of it or even comtemplate adding voltage to it in that form.. so yeah i'd tried ceramique first use Artic clean solution to properly clean off the GPU stuff
i used Artic clean on my DFI NF4 chipset heatsink and that yellow TIM came off in piece with one swipe of my custom cut sized plastic credit card like scraper hehe
oh when you take heatsink off for first time, take some close up high res photos of the TIM on the GPU core so we can compare with others later...
who knows i might try water cooling my X1800XT (first time H20 for video cards heh)
Thanks for the info and response Eva2000. To be honest I frequent no other forums except this and amdmb.com however there I only lurk and browse and very rarely post. I have heard nothing about BBATI users getting higher temps though that could be a possibility. Would you mind cutting and pasting me some links to other forum posts you have read which people are talking about their BBATI cards hitting into the 80c mark and being normal? I would like to see with my own eyes what others are saying. In the meantime I am going to browse around and see what I can find.
As well My card is overclocked to CCC max of 682/792 to get those temps so it's not like I'm at stock. There is still so much I hope for this card such as a bios editor or a different bios from another manufacturer altogether to flash and try out.
I wonder if bioses could be different? Do me a favour? Check and see the date of your bios build? CCC information tab will tell you. I want to see if it the same as mine as I know what build date my bios is.
I will try ceramique soon to see if it changes anything. I will surely take some close up pics to share here.
Thanks again and if you have anything else to share please do as I appreciate your time and input in this matter.
nunyabiz http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456
and post #6 and #8
Addle http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y have to read further into thread where he asks if >80C temps are normal
bunch of folks at http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...=x1800xt+temps
X1800XT 76C load here http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?...=x1800xt+temps
Thanks bud!
no probs hope you find out the reason for high GPU temps!
I have read those threads and no one gives a reason at all. They simply state their temps and everyone else takes note and leaves it at that.
All I can think of is bios differences if any though I doubt that. Perhaps you missed it a few posts back about my request for you to check your bios build date. Would you mind doing so? The information tab in CCC as well as Everest if you have it installed will tell you the date of the bios of your card. If you could take a couple minutes to look into this and post your findings here I would appreciate it. I have my bios build date so want to compare it to yours and see. Either the bios works the card differently to generate more heat or the bios reads the sensor wrong possibly and posts higher temps than other manufacturers. Since we are using the same drivers the only difference has to be in the physical card itself. If you are in 30c ambient temps I find it very hard that you get late 60's full load unless something really is up but who knows. I am not questioning you or calling you a liar by any means just quite surprised and perplexed to be honest.
ATI has always ran higher for some reason...BBATI I should say...
Even back when the 9800XT where out..I have an ASUS and my buddy had a BBATI and his ran about 20C higher than mine did for some reason. And when I had added my Silencer on it, ut really dropped alot more then too.
heh thought you could see in first post of this thread CCC panels are already posted http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...51&postcount=1 ;)
again
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL..._hardware1.jpg
Here is mine as well...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ns/ati-ccc.jpg
I like how it says Built By ATI in the Manu section of it...
yeah mine says same even though it's HIS hehe
guess no difference in bios maybe something physical then ? or just different GPU cores have different temps like different AMD64 cores produce different temps ?
oops sorry bud, I must have missed that. My Bios date is also 10/18/05 so there goes that theory. Oh well, weird how it was mentioned that the 9800XT ran hotter back in the day when built by ATI over other manufacturers.
Maybe your case is a lot more cramped, and has less airflow?
Mine is getting hot, over 80C. The stock fan/sink combo is good, but it's just to loud.
Well I also have my room very cold at time when I was pushing the core clocks. So that did help a lot. Like right now idle with normal room temps my GPU is at 54C.
changed to the drivers on the HIS CD-ROM which are cat 5.11 6.14.10.6575 WHQL FM Approved versus cat 5.11 on ATI.com web site which are 6.14.10.6583 WHQL not FM approved and clocked a tad higher
512MB HIS X1800XT stock heatsink air
@756/900 = 11,049
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1530346
(currently equal 7th ranked on ORB for X1800 series OR #2 ranked for WHQL - FM approved drivers :D )
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...0_11049_tn.jpg
yea my case does have a lot in it but it is half decently organized, at least as good as it will be for the amount of stuff I have in it. My idle temps are usually 55-58c too. I know of a few people including Hicks now that get into the 80's on full load so I am not going to worry about it anymore. I bought a top of the line card hoping it will last. IF it doesn't well I have 1 year warranty with ATI for this very matter, if I don't go R580 before next fall. Even at 80c the card runs beautifully. Never a crash, lockup, vpu recover nothing. Artifact free as well. Played COD2 for at least 2 hours straight this morning without an issue and that game has a lot going on too. Checking my temp monitor log of ATITool temps were never higher than 79c with fan at 45-50%.
HIS has a 3-Year Warranty correct?
BBATI used to have 3 years yet I just found out this past summer that they bumped it down to one. Not cool.
not sure in OZ warranty is done differently we don't deal with the manufacturer for the initial 1yr of warranty but with the retailer we purchased fromQuote:
Originally Posted by ugp
so if video card had 2yr warranty, 1st yr with retailer 2nd yr with local disty/supplier (never with the actual manufacturer)
problem is most retailers in OZ only list their 1yr RTB warranty
some like BFG have 3yr RTB and rest with local disty
HIS i've only seen the 1yr RTB listed with retailers... not sure if it has 2 or 3yr
Well whats nice is when NewEgg runs out of these and something goes wrong with it they give me current value or a substitue for the card. They did that when I did a RMA on my ASUS 9800XT...they replaced it with a Gigabyte x800Pro which I was very happy with because that card clocked well.
Well in my testing I switched the to WarCat v5.11XT drivers to see what they would do for me...
This is what I managed with them.
CPU/Mem @ 250x11.0 200FSB @ 2-2-2-5-2T
x1800XT @ 690/800
3DMark05: 9,237 (With WarCats v5.11XT)
3DMark05: 9,265 (With ATI v5.11)
It's not very cold outside right now or I would set to my max overclocks. Right now the core is at 76 Full Load at 690 on the core. It will have to wait for another day I guess on that.
So as for that there is no help there it seems. Time to test a few other Apps and see what I get I guess.
For a CPU @ 2.2 and the Memory on a 2T Timing mode.. is 28,916 a good score in 3DMark01SE?
Hey guys thanks for the info in this thread. It has really helped me get my x1800xt going. It does not seem that there is a consensus on how high you can go with voltage. What would you guys say is a safe every day for overclocking?
hey FUGGER... :)
Managed to get #2 ranking on ORB for FM approved drivers in both 3dmark05 and 3dmark2003 for X1800 series categories :cool:
Opteron 146 @3130mhz
HIS X1800XT stock heatsink air @756/900
3dmark05 = 11,049
3dmark2003 = 20,860
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