I think I just killed my E6400...
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I think I just killed my E6400...
:D
Ouch :S
looool...
You should train with low-cost cpus -> celerons!!! It's not that easy when you do it the first time, but after a few ihs removals it's not that hard...
It would be better for your cpus if you sent it to me...
did you use CrazyXP1700 way to do it? or did you find some alternative way?Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
Entsafter, so you're using the E6600 without HIS under wather and you didn't crap the core by pressing on it the WB? It's fantastic!
Ciao giorgio, cos'hai intenzione di scappellare te?? lol lol
Yes Gordon! The core can take more pressure than you think.. it's like a core of the old Amds... no problems. The only important thing is a cpu cooler with height adjustment -> screws and springs...
The chip is dead as a brick.
Oh well, it was useless with the IHS on anyways for the chip was priming at 75ºC (CoreTemp) with water cooling.
Absolutely horrible IHS-die contact it seems.
btw,
Don't even bother using a butane lighter for the heating.
I emptied the whole lighter but the damn plate didn't move at all, these things just don't seem to generate enough heat to melt the TIM.
I had 2 package knife blades stuffed under the opposite corners but they merely warped the PCB.
edit: Hmmm... How about an E6600 next...
Mine 6400 also reach 75oC+(actually 80) with 1.47Vcore in coretemp during prime with lapped hsf and thermalright ultra 120. But it's stable @ 3400 mhz so no need to kill it. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I finally popped (literally) the IHS of the presumed dead chip...
I bought a new lighter, stuffed the blades under two of the corners and heated the IHS while holding the cpu upside down. Suddenly the (I)HS just took off with a bang.
The core is flawless. I thought I had actually cracked some corners or partially ripped the die off of the package.
There's a slight possibility that it's still alive but just refuses to post due to the extremely warped package causing improper contact with the socket. The cpu is now clamped in a screw press in order to straighten the package.
Update expected within 24 hours.
p.s.
I'd like to elaborate that no prying whatsoever is needed during the removal. Just cut the black silicone and heat the middle of the IHS with a lighter while holding the cpu upside down.
Removing LGA775 IHS is actually very easy if done right.
Just remember:
DO NOT TRY TO PRY IT OFF
Hence the 4 razorblades suspending the cpu... so it just falls off...
prying screwdrivers is too risky IMO... after killing 2 cpus that way...
i mean if your using percision screwdrivers... their still twice as thick as a razorblade, it will flex the package too much, possible seporate the DIE fom the PCB, and will almost definetly warp the package every time...
screwdrivers are not necessary... and too risky...
it was pretty funny when i literally poppe dmine off as well. We were slowly tourhcing the top with the cpu suspended on the blades, and then all of a sudden a "POP" and it was done. It seems to me, because of the pop, that dudring installatin of the IHS, they must put ALOT of pressure in the center trying to get good contact, and the the flex of the IHS is still present when removing.
It's still warped.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Think I'll tighten the screws...
Funny thing is that there's no visible damage but the damn thing just doesn't post... Shutdown after 3 secs.
The cpu does power up for it gets quite warm during bootup.
you'll kill the chip if you flex the substrate.....
This is true, but why risk it at all? Let gravity do the work! When the soldr is actually running, the amolunt of force needed to make it pop off is miniscule. If you use crazy's method, the force of gravity allong with the slight tension of the razor blades will pop it off, AND are garantueed to not get overzealous and apply too much force, as Sham did wrong =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead Head
-Stigma
:toast: I might have to make myself a shim or two. Running IHS-less Mobile Northwoods passive under a Ninja, ended up chipping the core after a few re-mounts. Lucky replacements are readily available on ebay.Quote:
Originally Posted by MentholMoose
Also tried IHS removal on a celeron D before this thread came along. Core came clean off attached to the back of the IHS. :doh:
just kill one x6800 and one 630
yeaaaahhahahahaa
i use lighter and heating the ihs about 20 to 30 sec
and it just pop out!!
then i clean the top, put into mobo!!! .... hahaah no boot!
i feel so good now!!!!!!!!
core is perfect look tho hahahaha
I removed the IHS on a 2.8C northy with a soldered IHS. I put the edge of a single thin razorblade under the IHS, held the blade with pliers so the IHS was face up, and heated the IHS with a heat gun for about 15 seconds. It popped off and fell a few inches onto my carpet.
It posts fine and there is 5c idle temp drop as measured by BIOS. I haven't tested further because I still need to remove the remaining TIM.
I am so sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
:coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
..sad to hear :(
peeps, you NEED to use a torch. You can buy them at most hardware stores. you can use the ones that take the disposable tanks. Sometihng like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ace-Professional...QQcmdZViewItem
Honestly, I'm too nervous to use a torch. I'm afraid that I might heat the CPU too much. I don't see why such extreme heat is necessary considering that the TIM melts at less than 100c.Quote:
Originally Posted by menlatin
A heat gun set to 550c worked fine on my 478 northwood (2.8C SL6WT). I finished cleaning it and it works fine at default settings (didn't test any OC yet).
I also thought that I killed my CPU after removing the IHS. BUT, it is alright. You have to watch very carefully if the CPU and the heatsink do have proper contact. If either the CPU contacts don't get forced down on the socket pins with enough pressure, or the CPU-Die and heatsink don't have enough contact, then the CPU just won't boot. It's sometimes kinda tricky to find out. Sometimes it seems as if there would be enough pressure, but in reality it just isn't enough enough and you get no boot. I found out that my CPU was OK, after I had remounted the IHS and tested again.Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
Although you could indeed have destoyed the CPUs by heating them too much for too long. :( A normal lighter isn't really appropriate as it takes much too long to heat the surface.
550c are too hot. Just remember THG videos, when they burned A-xp's without cooler. They died after 300c temp.Quote:
Originally Posted by MentholMoose
The flame temperature of ~550°C is absolutely no problem, as you don't heat up the Die material directly, but the IHS instead. You just need to really carefully watch the time you spend heating it and of coure the IHS temp. You have to remember that although the flame may have a temp of 550°C, the IHS and Die temps won't instantly shoot up to that level, too. They will rise kinda slowly to the level that you desire. I used a little torch and that thing reaches flame temps of over 1000°C. ;) Guess what, it worked well. Just don't point the flame anywhere else than directly on the IHS's metal surface. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kasparz
Sorry to revive an old thread, but does anyone know what kinds of complications may arise if I were to attempt this on a Kentsfield ES?
:D My advice is to wait until QUAD COREs overflow the marked - then C2D will be maybe ~$100 and the experiment will be less pricy........:p:
Alternative I did this:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9...ping003yq7.jpg
:toast:
FCG will be the man to POP the IHS of Quad core i think!
Anyone tried using them pads like what could be used on AMD XP's to protect the core form being crushed?
You can use scotch tape or something else to create your own "spacer"...
i'm using duck tape on my dothan, it works great. I'm betting kentsfield will be just like smithfield was - a quick and dirty dual die chip, but the more conroe the better :p:
You may want to read this: Why Heatsink Polishing Might Be A Bad IdeaQuote:
Originally Posted by camouflage
Just saying.
I agree with the info in that link. With polished surfaces it seems very easy to get the sandwich effect, or floating between the HS and IHS. A think layer of TIM on the HS without a polished lap works best, IMHO.
Didn't the people in that "project 8ghz" take off the ihs on a p4 with a propane torch and razor blades or something?
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Originally Posted by serialk11r
oh yes we did :)
its damn easy to remove the IHS of an Intel CPU but you have to make sure the base of the cpu cooler will make contact with the die. as the die is lower than the LGA mounting lid.
here is a link if you want to take the IHS of your CPU.
Post #5
http://www.teamnexgen.org/forum/anno...e-we-come.html
Heat it up and the IHS will simply POP off, no prying required, the chip will fall off, just cut the black seal around the IHS and wedge some blades inbetween the PCB and IHS.
Hey withcrazy XPs method wouldn't the height of the razors going under the IHS raise the soldered core off of the substrate
Actually, it's been done, check this out, this guy literally fried his qx in a frying pan and popped off the ihs with no damage that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Link!!!!!
Man, xs is sooo much faster than tomshardware, the loading times for the forums there is crap
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Originally Posted by AliG
I wouldn't go the frying pan route. Too many variables, you could wait too long and cook it.
Use razor blades, a torch, and gravity. As long as you're on planet earth, the IHS will pop at the right time every time. Team NexGen has pictures of the blade method and several more interesting methods at: http://www.nexgenconsulting.net/proj...telihsremoval/
p.s. We tried a heat gun, it worked, but took too long; torches are more fun anyway.
Yeah, we at daclan found that out the hard way, but at least we had tried it with an old celeron first
I know about the other methods, but the problem is that if you heat up the core too slowly, the the core will come of instead of the ihs
Hello, does anybody know how big are cores on C2D, AMD64 and and QX?
best regards
I don't think it's the size of the die that makes a difference, the problem you run into is that there are some resistors and what not on the top of the die that you may possibly hit when cutting the ihs off with a knife, that's why many go the razor way and do a couple of rounds around the cpu instead
c2d probably has the smallest core, though amd's 65nm chips have less transitors last time I checked; I don't have exact measurements, but a way to find out would be to check out some of the ihs removal threads beyond this one or even this one for some pics for a general image
I went over to my friend Gomeler's house and delidded my E6600. Here is a link to the pics, he wrote a little guide explaining what we did. http://gomeler.com/2007/06/14/intel-...o-ihs-removal/
It lowered my temps from 62C loaded to 50C loaded.
I always enjoy reviving dead threads, so I was after some advice. I got the IHS off easily with razor blades and a butane torch. But my core is covered in solder and i'm not sure of the best way to get it off now that it's hardened... seems like a stupid question, but i don't want to heat the core directly.
it's flat, but not smoothe a lot of biggish ridges in the solder...
Any great ideas to remove the solder? next time I will try to use a razor on the core when it's hot, but i don't have a clamp so a little tricky.
thanks!
You can get the solder of by picking it off with your pinkie nail or just use 2000 grit sandpaper to sand off the solder. also lapp it gently and don't lap to far.
We just used a credit card, just scrap that crap off.
@MaSell does your cpu still work :D
why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
just curious.. cos lot of people that has tried to remove the ihs from there conroes have managed to kill there chips by doing so .. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MaSell
so it works after the ihs removal ???
They killed conroes because chips are getting too hot.
Hair dryer + razorblade + 10min = working cpu and nice ihs ;) . This is no way to overheat it. Of course if you don't broke smd/core/pcb with razorblade :D
My X3210 extreem lapped :D
OMG, did you lapped the friggin IHS off your CPU?
:ROTF:
That's insane.... I've done the "cooking" method on a quad core, but there's no way I'd attempt what you did there...:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanok
OMG, and now? It's a keychain?
how long did that take you and what grit paper did you use to get it down.. certainly better thn torching it to get the thing off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanok
id rather do this than take a torch to my chip.
@Nanok:
I bet this wasn't done by hand, but with a CNC-mill. Right?
Had to be milled.. using sandpaper would take a LONG time to sand through the IHS. Atleast now he has a built-in CPU shim. Actually think that looks rather cool, maybe Intel should release chips like that :up:
No, with the two cores present, the chance of cracking one mechanically is much less present. So, they should release them completely without any kind of IHS or shim. ;)
It`s still working, i use`t a little air dreven hand mill to get the center of the IHS of and the lapèd the edges down so they are the same hight as the cores. :-)
wow brotha now thats extreme :eek: cool i must try that :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1190837843
And you need to modyfi your cooler to fit if you do !
excellent! You made natural shim for your CPU ;)
I love that! :)
I always think that this is the best way to protect core from damage.
But if intel would change ihs to shim, must change box coolers too...
did you have to shave the cpu cooler down too
how did it affect your temps. did you see a decrease.
The core temp. has always bin high, its about the same.
And the two core sems not to be level
Did it today on an dead X6800 i have. Used Crazys manner to it and only had a heat gun.
OMG it does go pop, it really springs off.
Defo need a way to surport the CPU for then IHS pop off. Anyway it took 5 maybe 8 seconds with the heat gun and off it came, core intacted and perfect.
Idealy i'd like to clean it all just for a keep sake, what the best way to remove the left over solder on the core and the RTV silicon that sealed the IHS off.
Oh and i also was able too see how and why it died!
I also too some time to look at the IHS, really really thick. Lapping will only make it so thin but has anyone though about machining it down a little?
I used a credit card to scrape off the solder that remains on the core. Just scrape it off, took me about 5 minutes to get the most of it off. The sealant itself might come undone with a strong solvent. You could machine down the IHS but I personally would rather pop the lid and seal it up with tape if I'm going to do that much work.
I'll have a play with it today and clean it all up. I've seen how on the dual core/single die you could bodge the IHS into a really nice water block base! I'm gonne have a look at that some more as well. Told the old owner of it how he killed it and he was most shocked, eheheh
anyone got a link on how tomod your block to sue on nakes cor2quad? what do i need to do to get fuzion to fit.and where do i add spacers, are the only to prevent crushing?