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10-30-2005, 07:27 PM
Vapor

It'll hang over a little, should be able to attach though.
10-30-2005, 07:32 PM
gunit

hmm, i also have a fan controler I forgot packed away somewhere. Perhaps tonight I will try it with my 90mm tornado just for kicks.
10-30-2005, 07:37 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

i forgot that the 90mm ones i have are tornados, way too loud. anyone know if a 90mm case fan would fit on the XL?

I'm sure as a temporary "test" it could be done, use wire ties.

We found the stock AMD64 cooler fans, 70MM to fit the GTXs perfectly - however 80MM fit too. If I were buying one I'd say 70 or 80mm fan would work perfect. Personally I prefer fans about 28 Dba and lower.

Dean

Alright, mine is ordered! :)
10-30-2005, 09:01 PM
dnottis

**crickets******crickets***

Everyone must've went to bed... :(

I should have my X1800XL from Newegg on Wednesday. Can't wait to slap on the modded 70mm / with fan controller fresh from my 7800 GTX (I just installed the NV5 Silencer Rev3 for the 7800GTX). [I really can't wait to get an X1800XT 256MB BIOS to flash it with.]

Also, www.ZipZoomFly.com has the BBA for $379 Free 2 day shipping!
10-30-2005, 09:21 PM
gunit

i cant even unscrew the screw holding on the heatskink cover. Im using a small flat head and the screws yes are for philips type, but flat heads have always worked in philips type screws. With the pressure im applying I doubt even a philips head would work. what now?
10-30-2005, 09:33 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

i cant even unscrew the screw holding on the heatskink cover. Im using a small flat head and the screws yes are for philips type, but flat heads have always worked in philips type screws. With the pressure im applying I doubt even a philips head would work. what now?

Hmm I'd have to see it to tell. I have a small phillips screwdriver - hopefully that can remove the screws. Are they really that tight, or are you just having a problem getting the flat head screwdriver on the head to remove it?

http://www.bit-tech.net/content_imag...l/heatsink.jpg
Bit-tech managed to remove it. "...eight small screws that attach the top plate of the heatsink."

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...x1800xl/2.html
10-30-2005, 09:48 PM
gunit

no, the flat head makes good contact. its almost like they are glued into place.
10-30-2005, 10:11 PM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomicpineapple

Yup, I RMA'ed mine ATITool found loads of artifacts at stock speeds with stock cooler even tho games etc were fine, so I sent it back, but it looks like an ATITool bug now, oh well hopefully I'll get it back soon. But mine did 625Mhz core on about 1.2 volts. didnt push the mem too much, but it was happy enough in the 690MHz region on stock volts, might need to go up 1 notch to hit 700MHz.

No need, theirs nothing wrong with ur card. ATI Tools reading incorrectly.
Im even getting artifact errors on stock speeds :slapass:
10-30-2005, 10:14 PM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnottis

Hmm I'd have to see it to tell. I have a small phillips screwdriver - hopefully that can remove the screws. Are they really that tight, or are you just having a problem getting the flat head screwdriver on the head to remove it?

http://www.bit-tech.net/content_imag...l/heatsink.jpg
Bit-tech managed to remove it. "...eight small screws that attach the top plate of the heatsink."

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...x1800xl/2.html

Would u disconnect the stock fan on the card? Or do u run both?
10-30-2005, 10:14 PM
dnottis

Thats too bad, I'd really like to see some close up pics of that cooler / heatsink. Seems like the fan pushes air into it, different than the heatsink that is under the face plate of the 7800 GTX. Still blowing 25 - 30 cfm on that copper plate cannot be a bad thing. Maybe an after market Zalman will be the way to go with the X1800XL.
10-30-2005, 10:34 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

Would u disconnect the stock fan on the card? Or do u run both?

The GTX had a regular heatsink with fins and then the fan, so we'd disconnect it and just pop a 70 or 80mm fan on there. This is like a housing so there may be an advantage to using both.
10-30-2005, 10:50 PM
dnottis

Not my pic, but this is just what mine looked like. The GTX has a heatsink with fins so the design is different.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/431/pict02676rs.jpg
10-30-2005, 11:02 PM
gunit

yeah there realy is no room to push screws into. maybe ill just get the zalman one after all and take of the whole heatsink.
10-30-2005, 11:07 PM
Astennu

Gunit Last time I tryed 1.225 it also gave me lockups. But i will try it again. I will alst try to lower my memory speeds and see what happens. But i find it odd it has a max on 1.2v may me sapphire locked it somehow ? May be a XT bios will help me to get past this wall ?>
10-30-2005, 11:10 PM
Ubermann

Anyone of you noticed any shimmering in WOW or other games ?
Read on another forum and the dude said it was alot.
But i havent heard about it anywhere else.
10-30-2005, 11:12 PM
gunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermann

Anyone of you noticed any shimmering in WOW or other games ?
Read on another forum and the dude said it was alot.
But i havent heard about it anywhere else.

no, no shimmering in HL2, Q4, Tribes Vengeance or any of the 3d benches i testsd.
10-30-2005, 11:46 PM
ilgreco1974

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky

also can somebody take pics of the backside of the default xl-heatsink and of the pcb
around the core, well basically the area underneath the heatsink and pm them to me?
thanks

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/229/2

:)
10-31-2005, 12:14 AM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

yeah there realy is no room to push screws into. maybe ill just get the zalman one after all and take of the whole heatsink.

wire tie trick :)

use them to secure the fan.

From this pic it's clear that is a heatsink with fins.. I think the GTX trick will work just fine.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=2154
10-31-2005, 12:17 AM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermann

Anyone of you noticed any shimmering in WOW or other games ?
Read on another forum and the dude said it was alot.
But i havent heard about it anywhere else.

He must've been talking about the GTX lol, I cannot stand the shimmering with mine. Drives me nuts!
10-31-2005, 12:29 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnottis

He must've been talking about the GTX lol, I cannot stand the shimmering with mine. Drives me nuts!

lol. thats what u get when u go nVidia :stick: :slapass:
I haven't noticed any shimmering on my x1800XL. :woot:

I will try this fan trick tonight. I have 2 stock AMD64 cooler lying at home. :D
10-31-2005, 12:34 AM
MaxxxRacer

Just watercooling and dont bother with those ghetto attemps at modding the stock cooler ;)
10-31-2005, 01:15 AM
Ubermann

The shimmering can be read about here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y
I hope someone can check it.
10-31-2005, 01:24 AM
gunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermann

The shimmering can be read about here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y

I got mine for 379. Oc like crazy, owns any stock 7800 GTX. Shimmering is just in WoW. If it was in any other game review sites would have pointed it out instantly. Its a bug, it sucks.
10-31-2005, 01:35 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

I got mine for 379. Oc like crazy, owns any stock 7800 GTX. Shimmering is just in WoW. If it was in any other game review sites would have pointed it out instantly. Its a bug, it sucks.

lol. Im so glad i didn't buy the 7800GTX. I almost did.
The only thing that sucks for me atm is the drivers. They still a little buggy.
10-31-2005, 01:53 AM
Ubermann

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

I got mine for 379. Oc like crazy, owns any stock 7800 GTX. Shimmering is just in WoW. If it was in any other game review sites would have pointed it out instantly. Its a bug, it sucks.

Thats why it got me wondering cuz i havent heard if elsewhere.
WOW shimmering is nothing i care about.
Think we can leave this issue behind us then.
10-31-2005, 03:42 AM
drunkenmaster

so far i've found if i get a game locking up after a while, just stopping and either dropping to desktop with screwed colours or crashing on one image and needing reseting that its not enough voltage being used. if theres either type of artifacts your mem/gpu is probo pushed too far, poss not enough volts or too many or too hot. but plan crashing without artifacts i go back push voltage up a little more and clocks get stable. you should try at 1.3v and see if 625/650 becomes stable without lockups.
10-31-2005, 03:48 AM
wwwww

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

Still amazing how the XL needs LESS voltage to reach XT levels.

smaller transistors
10-31-2005, 04:11 AM
Damien

Quote:

Originally Posted by OV3RCLOCK3R

MACRO!!!!

Every Camera has one:)

Took some quick pics. Hope this helps:)

hrm...and how do I use macro? :(

edit : googled and see it's the flower. My camera's macro sucks though, haha.
10-31-2005, 04:21 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienKC

hrm...and how do I use macro? :(

U have to enable the macro switch
10-31-2005, 04:23 AM
Damien

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

U have to enable the macro switch

yeah I found it, but the macro on my camera barely makes any diff at all. Then again, it was $100 at walmart a year ago :P
10-31-2005, 04:24 AM
sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilgreco1974

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/229/2

:)

thanks for the link mate. now i need someone to measure the height
between the seemingly recessed copperbit for the core and the parts
for the memory, plus the height of those screw-threw (whatever the
f. they are called) thingies... seems one could do a fairly flat bottomed
watercooler for those things. hm gotta check on my buddy and his
cnc :D
10-31-2005, 04:46 AM
Mavke

And did anyone already made a backup of their Radeon X1800 XL BIOS? Cause I am trying to get some to see and update RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner Software)...
10-31-2005, 08:18 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

so far i've found if i get a game locking up after a while, just stopping and either dropping to desktop with screwed colours or crashing on one image and needing reseting that its not enough voltage being used. if theres either type of artifacts your mem/gpu is probo pushed too far, poss not enough volts or too many or too hot. but plan crashing without artifacts i go back push voltage up a little more and clocks get stable. you should try at 1.3v and see if 625/650 becomes stable without lockups.

If i raise my volts to 1.3 i almost get a instant lockup :D No 1.3 for me :nono:. I hope a new bios will fix it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavke

And did anyone already made a backup of their Radeon X1800 XL BIOS? Cause I am trying to get some to see and update RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner Software)...

Mail me @ Astennu91@hotmail.com i will help u with that bios program. Would be nice if i could flash a XT bios later on.
10-31-2005, 09:17 AM
HitMaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

If i raise my volts to 1.3 i almost get a instant lockup :D No 1.3 for me :nono:. I hope a new bios will fix it.

Mail me @ Astennu91@hotmail.com i will help u with that bios program. Would be nice if i could flash a XT bios later on.

What power supply do you have?
10-31-2005, 09:47 AM
gunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnottis

wire tie trick :)

use them to secure the fan.

From this pic it's clear that is a heatsink with fins.. I think the GTX trick will work just fine.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=2154

i still havent even been able to get the cove off. :slapass:
10-31-2005, 05:28 PM
gunit

whaaaaa! I Think I killed my computer. I was testing my 80mm fan with the fan controler when my hand hit a screw. The screw fell onto the motherboard near the bottom where some small chips are right by the last PCI slot. Then, lights on my motherboard, FAN LED's, and indicator lights on case began to flicker and computer turned off. I tried turing it back on, but lights just flickered and computer turned off. I then unplugged the computer, pressed the power switch to clear any electricity left. I plugged it back in and cleared the CMOS. Then I tried turning it on regulary and luckily everything did turn on. But, no signal was being sent to the monitor. And the red RAM LED on the motherboard was on. I tried switching memory slots, putting in a spare stick I had, same thing, red LED and no signal to monitor. I should mention the video card was NOT in the computer when the screw fell into motherboard so I know my x1800 xl is ok. I do not hear a POST beep. Could the CPU been fried? The mems are fine since the same thing happens with a spare stick

btw, i got cover off. it IS NOT possible to stick screws into the x1800 heatsink cause there are no fins. The top of the heatsink is solid. The cooling is a type of exhaust system. Air blows through the heatsink and out the back end of the card.
10-31-2005, 05:41 PM
cantankerous

man im sorry to hear about your system. I have no clue what it could be except maybe you shorted a trace that is no longer working as should. The mobo may be acting as it is as a safety thing.

Glad to hear your X1800 is still ok and thanks for the info on the fan not attaching to the heatsink. Makes me feel more confortable about my Zalman Fatality purchase today. Please keep us posted on the results of your system.
10-31-2005, 06:05 PM
gunit

its strange cause everything else works, fans, hard drive, lights etc. Its as if the vga cable is not connected even though it is. and what would make the RAM status LED turn on red?
10-31-2005, 07:05 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

its strange cause everything else works, fans, hard drive, lights etc. Its as if the vga cable is not connected even though it is. and what would make the RAM status LED turn on red?

Its the motherboard. Thats why there are no beeps, but you will get power through it to the fans, etc.

Sorry to hear that - as for the fan, if you cannot screw it on you can use wire ties to secure it to the cooler. A bunch of people in the GTX thread did that not wanting to scratch up the stock heatsink...
10-31-2005, 07:12 PM
gunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnottis

Its the motherboard. Thats why there are no beeps, but you will get power through it to the fans, etc.

Sorry to hear that - as for the fan, if you cannot screw it on you can use wire ties to secure it to the cooler. A bunch of people in the GTX thread did that not wanting to scratch up the stock heatsink...

guess so. ill rma it and get something else.

Is it a good idea to put the fan on the flat heatsink? There is no place for the air to go but up. Imagine putting a case fan on a flat desk, the air will just hit the desk and travel back up through the fan. Know what I mean?
10-31-2005, 11:12 PM
Ubermann

I use glue gun when i cant screw things.
It holds good and comes off easy without leaving a trace.
11-01-2005, 05:54 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitMaker

What power supply do you have?

I got A coolermaster Real Power 450 Watt. I checked the Voltages on the X1800 XL and they where stable. The only ting i foud was that if u set 1.1 v u get like 1.07 So it undervolts like 0.2-0.3. But is was stable in 3D. I find it verry odd that it locks up.
11-01-2005, 07:11 AM
Nunyabiz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

I got A coolermaster Real Power 450 Watt. I checked the Voltages on the X1800 XL and they where stable. The only ting i foud was that if u set 1.1 v u get like 1.07 So it undervolts like 0.2-0.3. But is was stable in 3D. I find it verry odd that it locks up.

Did you happed to look at the memory voltage? I am wonding if it is also undervolted, and if the overclock tool memory voltage adjust works?
11-01-2005, 07:33 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunyabiz

Did you happed to look at the memory voltage? I am wonding if it is also undervolted, and if the overclock tool memory voltage adjust works?

Jep it ondervolted for the ram 1.9 was like 1.86. And it did go up of u raise volts. It u whant real 2.0v on the mem i sould set 2.05 iw would give like 2.01 or 2.02.
11-01-2005, 07:36 AM
Astennu

Could someone send me a bios dumb from his card with ATi Tool 3.04.

A bios from i card that can do 1.25 or higher volts on the mem without locking up. I'm stuck to 1.2 on my sapphire. I got the bios here if u whant it i just let me know then i'll upload it.
11-01-2005, 10:21 AM
Pedro Rocha

I just mount 1 Gecube X1800XL for testing, where is what I got with stock cooling :

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/X18...ark05_9706.jpg

Not bad at all :) , with the Zalman I should see some improvements but it is just a test card before my X1800XT cards arrive ..
11-01-2005, 10:30 AM
Astennu

Wow :| i ran my 3dmark @ 650-800 @ 2.6 ghz and i had 9070 :| real sick score with that cpu :D

Could you plz dump ur bios ? en mail it to me ? maybe then i can go past 1.2v.

ATi Flash can dump bios with the ATiflash -s 0 namebios.bin command.

U can download it @ techpowerup.com. I realy need to get more then 1.2v. I hope u whant to help me.

My adress = astennu91@hotmail.com

Thanks in advance
11-01-2005, 11:27 AM
Ubermann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

I just mount 1 Gecube X1800XL for testing, where is what I got with stock cooling :

Not bad at all :) , with the Zalman I should see some improvements but it is just a test card before my X1800XT cards arrive ..

Really nice score, do you use the clocks that are in the picture ?
11-01-2005, 12:39 PM
Pedro Rocha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermann

Really nice score, do you use the clocks that are in the picture ?

Yep 620 / 700, the card get really hot with stock cooler, I'm sure will improve even with the Zalman :)
11-01-2005, 01:07 PM
cantankerous

Well I just took the plunge. Ordered myself a Retail BBATI X1800XL with the Zalman FS-V7 Fatality cooler. I really, really hope I can meet what you guys are doing. 625/700 with 1.225/1.90. If not im going to be very sad as this card after shipping and taxes was quite expensive out here in Canada.
11-01-2005, 01:09 PM
G H Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

I just mount 1 Gecube X1800XL for testing, where is what I got with stock cooling

Hey Pedro,

Is this a Multi PC tweaked score? (ya dumb question I know) ;) :slapass:

Thanks,

G
11-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

Yep 620 / 700, the card get really hot with stock cooler, I'm sure will improve even with the Zalman :)

Pedro Would you be so kind to dump your GeCube bios and send it to me ? i cant get pas 1.2 volt. I think its a bug in the bios. More sapphire cards seem to have it.

U can dump it with ATIFLASH 3.09 it can be fout @ www.techpowerup.com. And the command = atiflash -2 0 namebios.bin.

I you would be so kind to send it to frank.van.de.pol@kion.nl.

Thanks in advance
11-01-2005, 02:31 PM
Pedro Rocha

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

Hey Pedro,

Is this a Multi PC tweaked score? (ya dumb question I know) ;) :slapass:

Thanks,

G

No.. not at all, plain WinXP partition for 24/7 use..
I reserve my tweaks for real benching with both the X1800 cards duly cooled :D
11-01-2005, 02:40 PM
G H Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

No.. not at all, plain WinXP partition for 24/7 use..
I reserve my tweaks for real benching with both the X1800 cards duly cooled :D

Interesting. My XL scored just over 9,300 @ 661/711 with 3.6Ghz+ FX

Are you running Control Center? Maybe I ran a different driver not that we have alot of choices ;)
11-01-2005, 02:49 PM
dnottis

Why are u guys only shooting for 625 on the core? The XT is 650. :slap:

ERRR..... sorry!
My bad..

X1800 XT
625 MHz core clock
700 MHz memory clock <----thats not even correct it's 750!

X1800 XL
500 MHz core clock
500 MHz memory clock
11-01-2005, 02:59 PM
Pedro Rocha

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

Interesting. My XL scored just over 9,300 @ 661/711 with 3.6Ghz+ FX

Are you running Control Center? Maybe I ran a different driver not that we have alot of choices ;)

Try the OmegaDrivers and put all settings (incluiding the IQ) in maximum performance, if you running with 2GB turn the swap file off may also help ..good luck :)
11-01-2005, 03:51 PM
cantankerous

It seems everyone is only shooting for 625. Anyone get much hjgher with just a zalman and 1.3v?
11-01-2005, 05:19 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

It seems everyone is only shooting for 625. Anyone get much hjgher with just a zalman and 1.3v?

Yea I think most people just want a free upgrade to the XT.
11-01-2005, 05:38 PM
cantankerous

Well I know I do. I really hope when card comes later this week that it can do 625/750 artifact and lockup free.

BTW nice avatar dnottis, im playing Quake IV now and lovin it.
11-01-2005, 06:08 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Well I know I do. I really hope when card comes later this week that it can do 625/750 artifact and lockup free.

BTW nice avatar dnottis, im playing Quake IV now and lovin it.

haha, thanks - yea Q4 rocks, I love the MP. I just want 625 / 700, mine should be here Wednesday. Gonna be a long week with the shimmering GTX. LOL
11-01-2005, 06:42 PM
cantankerous

what make card did you order? did you get retail or OEM? I wish you luck on your card doing well my friend.
11-01-2005, 07:16 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

what make card did you order? did you get retail or OEM? I wish you luck on your card doing well my friend.

I picked up the Sapphire from Newegg.
11-01-2005, 10:39 PM
mR Yellow

Hey guys, nice to see everyone enjoying their new cards. 1800 series rocks!

off the topic
Who's played COD2 yet? Im getting weird screen corruption?
It looks like two rectangels on the right edge...it duplicating part of the picture?? Anyone notice this?

Funny things is its only in this game. FEAR, BF2, Q4, AOE3, Serious Sam 2 all work 100%

I think it might be a driver bug. Im using 5.10a.

back to the topic
BTW Is it worth getting the Zalman Fatality? Or do u guys think the Artic Cooler will be better?
11-01-2005, 10:49 PM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

Hey guys, nice to see everyone enjoying their new cards. 1800 series rocks!

off the topic
Who's played COD2 yet? Im getting weird screen corruption?
It looks like two rectangels on the right edge...it duplicating part of the picture?? Anyone notice this?

Funny things is its only in this game. FEAR, BF2, Q4, AOE3, Serious Sam 2 all work 100%

I think it might be a driver bug. Im using 5.10a.

back to the topic
BTW Is it worth getting the Zalman Fatality? Or do u guys think the Artic Cooler will be better?

That fatal1ty cooler is just too much, I may pickup the vf700. I keep seeing different specs in all the X1800XT reviews. Now I'm shootin' for 625/750. haha one of the reviews said the XT was 650 / 700.
11-02-2005, 12:16 AM
[XC]Atomicpineapple

mR Yellow, I played CoD2 demo with the X1800XL and got those blocks, however only in 800x600 resolution for me!
11-02-2005, 12:25 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomicpineapple

mR Yellow, I played CoD2 demo with the X1800XL and got those blocks, however only in 800x600 resolution for me!

I get these @ 1024x768 aswell. Will push res and let u know.
BTW im playing the full game. So it might be worse in the final release.

Then it must be a driver issue :mad: .
I'm feedup with these beta's. Wish the official will come soon.
11-02-2005, 01:18 AM
IluvIntel

You guys are very lucky to get your hands on these great vga cards, down here in Oz, there is only one place so far that can order them in and with several days waiting... :(
My X800XT has served me well the last 12 months, but.... :D
11-02-2005, 01:44 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvIntel

You guys are very lucky to get your hands on these great vga cards, down here in Oz, there is only one place so far that can order them in and with several days waiting... :(
My X800XT has served me well the last 12 months, but.... :D

U won't go wrong with these babies. They rock especially once u start OCing them. Then they even better than a 7800GTX :D
11-02-2005, 01:50 AM
Tamille

Quote:

Originally Posted by IluvIntel

You guys are very lucky to get your hands on these great vga cards, down here in Oz, there is only one place so far that can order them in and with several days waiting... :(
My X800XT has served me well the last 12 months, but.... :D

secretnet has them in stock for $645.00 AUD
11-02-2005, 05:33 AM
cantankerous

Im playing retail COD2 on my X800XL and my dads retail X850XTPE without this graphical anomoly you speak of. Perhaps it is just for the X1800 series. I hope it is just a driver bug. I have my X1800XL on its way now. I will let you know if I have the same thing ast he game is on my drive now.

BTW, The Fatality cooler may be too much but I would rather have too much cooling than not enough. I am sticking it on a controller so I can throttle the speed as desired.
11-02-2005, 05:46 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Im playing retail COD2 on my X800XL and my dads retail X850XTPE without this graphical anomoly you speak of. Perhaps it is just for the X1800 series. I hope it is just a driver bug. I have my X1800XL on its way now. I will let you know if I have the same thing ast he game is on my drive now.

BTW, The Fatality cooler may be too much but I would rather have too much cooling than not enough. I am sticking it on a controller so I can throttle the speed as desired.

Thanx for the feedback, but i think its a driver issue with the x1800XL and the 5.10a. Theirs aren't any other driver to test. Just the ones that come with the card and these are crap, as they have speed/temp fan issues.

Like i said, all other games are 100% perfect. No hanging or artifacting.
11-02-2005, 07:32 AM
cantankerous

I tested using the Omegas based on 5.10a but again no X1800XL till later this week to test with.
11-02-2005, 07:56 AM
Astennu

Are u guys able to run 1.3v on the gpu ?

The standard tool in undervolting !! if u set 1.275 u get 1.250. and with 1.325 u get like 1.3. its undervolting like 0.02 - 0.03.

I cant get passed 1.2 volt. And 1.3 almost instantly locks up. Can someone test it for me ?
11-02-2005, 08:00 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

Are u guys able to run 1.3v on the gpu ?

The standard tool in undervolting !! if u set 1.275 u get 1.250. and with 1.325 u get like 1.3. its undervolting like 0.02 - 0.03.

I cant get passed 1.2 volt. And 1.3 almost instantly locks up. Can someone test it for me ?

Will try tonight ;)
11-02-2005, 08:06 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

Will try tonight ;)

Tynx its realy crappy.

If u can run it i will sell my card and buy a XT board.
11-02-2005, 08:45 AM
cantankerous

Does anyone know the exact measurement in length of the X1800 cards and how much longer in length it is over the older X800 cards? I am trying to see how this is going to fit in my case (Antec P160) as SATA connections on the motherboard as well as cables I have at the front of the case may be in the way. I want to measure and organize ahead of time. Thanks.
11-02-2005, 09:29 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Does anyone know the exact measurement in length of the X1800 cards and how much longer in length it is over the older X800 cards? I am trying to see how this is going to fit in my case (Antec P160) as SATA connections on the motherboard as well as cables I have at the front of the case may be in the way. I want to measure and organize ahead of time. Thanks.

Its quite a bit longer. Try a few reviews they will have pics to to compair.
11-02-2005, 11:35 AM
Diverge

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Does anyone know the exact measurement in length of the X1800 cards and how much longer in length it is over the older X800 cards? I am trying to see how this is going to fit in my case (Antec P160) as SATA connections on the motherboard as well as cables I have at the front of the case may be in the way. I want to measure and organize ahead of time. Thanks.

I've seen a review somewhere that said they are teh same length as the 7800gtx's, so if you know one of those fit your MB, you should be ok ;)
11-02-2005, 01:17 PM
cantankerous

ya I heard that too. I appreciate everyones response but I was hoping for an exact measurement length in mm,cm, inches? I guess ill have a look around. I have not heard of this NOT fitting in a case but by the looks of things in my particular setup it will be quite snug.
11-02-2005, 02:18 PM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

ya I heard that too. I appreciate everyones response but I was hoping for an exact measurement length in mm,cm, inches? I guess ill have a look around. I have not heard of this NOT fitting in a case but by the looks of things in my particular setup it will be quite snug.

I could not measure it exactly but its like 22CM in lengt, My radeon 8500 is like 17 or so. ( it was a big Gigabyte maya card. )
11-02-2005, 02:23 PM
cantankerous

Thank you!
11-02-2005, 03:53 PM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Thank you!

Np. But its quite a long card. I needed to move one of my harddisks for it. But it also looks powerfull because of the size :D
11-02-2005, 04:16 PM
dnottis

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...00-gtx-top.jpg

The XL should use the same PCB - so here is the XT next to the GTX - they are the same size.

Source: TechReport
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...0/index.x?pg=4
11-02-2005, 06:11 PM
cantankerous

about 9" if the card is 230mm like I read someplace. That is damn big and as I thought it is going to be a tight, tight fit thanks to that stupid ribbon cable of the X-Fi.
11-02-2005, 08:26 PM
gunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

Is it a good idea to put the fan on the flat heatsink with a solid top? There is no place for the air to go but up. Imagine putting a case fan on a flat desk, the air will just hit the desk and travel back up through the fan. Know what I mean?

can someone please address this? Because Im having doubts it will be usefull putting a 80mm fan on the x1800 like it was on the GTX. Again, cause on the GTX the air has some place to go besides back up through the fan itself. It also creates a sort of vaccume on the heatsink, barely any air hits it.
11-02-2005, 10:25 PM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomicpineapple

mR Yellow, I played CoD2 demo with the X1800XL and got those blocks, however only in 800x600 resolution for me!

Sorry my bad, i had the res at 800x600 all along.
Once i bumped the res those blocks dissapeared.

Sorry Terry, u ATi guys rock. :toast:
11-02-2005, 10:44 PM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

can someone please address this? Because Im having doubts it will be usefull putting a 80mm fan on the x1800 like it was on the GTX. Again, cause on the GTX the air has some place to go besides back up through the fan itself. It also creates a sort of vaccume on the heatsink, barely any air hits it.

Yes, i would also like to know as my card is getting :banana::banana::banana::banana: hot :nono:
Its 36c outside today where i stay. Like a oven.

@ Astennu

I can get 1.25v on the core but don't want to go higher. I could get 650mhz on the core, but card gets very hot, resulting in core artifacts.
11-02-2005, 11:41 PM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunit

can someone please address this? Because Im having doubts it will be usefull putting a 80mm fan on the x1800 like it was on the GTX. Again, cause on the GTX the air has some place to go besides back up through the fan itself. It also creates a sort of vaccume on the heatsink, barely any air hits it.

I don't think it will do any good. Just buy a Vf700 CU cooler That wil give you a 10c lower temp than stock. The top is sollid and then i can't use the sruface of the heatsink to get rid of the hot air. I think there is a chance that your card will overheat if you will cool it with only the top fan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

Yes, i would also like to know as my card is getting :banana::banana::banana::banana: hot :nono:
Its 36c outside today where i stay. Like a oven.

@ Astennu

I can get 1.25v on the core but don't want to go higher. I could get 650mhz on the core, but card gets very hot, resulting in core artifacts.

The same as here. I get artifacts to if i go higher voltage. But yours could be a cooling problem. Maybe A Zalman VF700 CU ? I gave me like 10c lower temp stressed. Compaired to Stock @ 100%. Anyone else that has better cooling that can test it for me ?
11-02-2005, 11:57 PM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

I don't think it will do any good. Just buy a Vf700 CU cooler That wil give you a 10c lower temp than stock. The top is sollid and then i can't use the sruface of the heatsink to get rid of the hot air. I think there is a chance that your card will overheat if you will cool it with only the top fan.

The same as here. I get artifacts to if i go higher voltage. But yours could be a cooling problem. Maybe A Zalman VF700 CU ? I gave me like 10c lower temp stressed. Compaired to Stock @ 100%. Anyone else that has better cooling that can test it for me ?

Do u think the Zalman VF700 CU will be better than a Artic Cool?
11-03-2005, 03:52 AM
cantankerous

In all honestly, with these cares being so long in length an ATI Silencer will be near impossible as the fan shroud hangs over another good inch or so making the card over 10" long!
11-03-2005, 03:58 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

In all honestly, with these cares being so long in length an ATI Silencer will be near impossible as the fan shroud hangs over another good inch or so making the card over 10" long!

I hear ya, but theirs already a ARTIC COOLER for the 7800GTX!
I wonder if that one will fit?
11-03-2005, 03:59 AM
cantankerous

i was thinking the same thing considering ram is similarily placed plus mounting holes as the Zalman fits on both. Anyone care to try it out? Will the ATI Silencer/NV Silencer cool better than the stock XT cooler which is said to be pretty good in its own right?
11-03-2005, 04:24 AM
Astennu

Quote:

Originally Posted by mR Yellow

I hear ya, but theirs already a ARTIC COOLER for the 7800GTX!
I wonder if that one will fit?

It will fit on the mounting holes but i will get problems with the voltage regulator heatsink. That ting is about 10mm high. So i think thats the problem for Artic cooling. I don't know how they whant to fix that.

I would be nice to have that hot air out of ur case. But that artic fan is to slow. That was why the zalman did a beter job cooling my X800. It was like 6c cooler. Than a artic solution. If they had a full copper solution with a faster fan they would be better.

The best cooler atm for VGA cards will be the X1800 XT stock cooler. It as a high power high speed fan. And a gigantic kopper heatsing of 20-25 mm high. To that will be able to handle the heat. If i would use 1.33 volt like the XT my zalman would insinirate. With that 40 amp stress test it got like 73c with the zalman !!. Games run cooler. ut 2k4 was like 32-36 amps.
11-03-2005, 07:28 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

The best cooler atm for VGA cards will be the X1800 XT stock cooler. It as a high power high speed fan. And a gigantic kopper heatsing of 20-25 mm high. To that will be able to handle the heat. If i would use 1.33 volt like the XT my zalman would insinirate. With that 40 amp stress test it got like 73c with the zalman !!. Games run cooler. ut 2k4 was like 32-36 amps.

Now, the question is, where can i get a x1800XT stock cooler?
11-03-2005, 07:57 AM
dnottis

Questions, questions...

Alright - I've already contacted Arctic Cooling, none of their existing models will work with the X1800 series, however they are already developing a cooler for the X1800s - expect 1 - 2 months before release still.

Will the AC cooler work better, yes. Mainly because the AC coolers exhaust the hot air from the Case, they dont just circulate it like the VF700 will. I have the GTX cooler and it works great load temps dropped 20+ deg c and my chipset temps dropped because the hot air is being exhausted.

I still think strapping a fan on would help because it would cool the heatsink - the heatsink is still touching the memory and the core, that dinky stock blower fan can't push more than a few CFM at best so strapping on a 25 CFM fan will cool the heatsink resulting in lower temps to the core and memory - I'll test this theory my X1800XL should be here today, monday my vf700 will arrive.

Im also wondering if a stock GTX cooler would fit it, or at least just the heatisnk which is open on the top and really worked well with the 70mm fan strapped to it. My load temps never broke 60 with an AMD64 70mm fan attached on the GTXm before that little mod load was 78 deg c.
11-03-2005, 09:35 AM
drunkenmaster

tbh i still think the artic cooling design is pants too. a very important factor of cooling is pressure, when you push air along a heatsink with fins running same direction theres no real pressure no air mixing up well and the base which would be hottest has no force on it. if you think about air like invisible water and think about all the waterblocks and designs and cathars extreme high pressure sinks working best you get the idea. plus a fan thats sitting on a surface with only a small area where the fan is moving air into the sink cos most of it is blocked, airflow is dead and lacking pressure.

best kinda thing would be using a zalman remove normal fan fix biggest fan you got underneath it and use something to duct air outta whatever free backplates you got . i'd stick on a xp120 if i could find a way to attach it as well if you look at space between fins on the zalman only half way out from the centre does airflow really get between fins, the whole centre is one mass with very littler surface area storing way to much heat.
11-03-2005, 09:43 AM
mR Yellow

I might just wait for the arctic cool. I sure they will make it better than current coolers. Maybe a revised design.

Will see how much the zalman goes for locally.
11-03-2005, 09:52 AM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

best kinda thing would be using a zalman remove normal fan fix biggest fan you got underneath it and use something to duct air outta whatever free backplates you got .

i actually did just that, the fan on my zalmann was making a racket, so i popped it off and strapped a 92mm panaflo on there, ill take some pics when i get home...i just dont have anything sucking air out from the back plates, good idea i think, might create more turbulence then cooling benifits though.

this is with my 9800pro though which is actually more volts limited then temp limited, i already vmodded the thing but i dont like pushing much over stock for 24/7 running. so the fan replacment didnt really help my clocks at all tbh.

sorry for OT
11-03-2005, 10:42 AM
dnottis

I went back and ordered the VF 7000 after I ordered the card, so the cooler wont be here till next week. I'll have to figure out something till then.
11-03-2005, 10:59 AM
gunit

another thing i did with the stock cooler was take the cover off the PCI slot just under the PCIe slot. This will let the x1800 cooler suck in cooler outside air instead of hot inside air.

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