:nono: 5KAH,it means the chip was made in 22'2005Quote:
Originally Posted by WoD
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:nono: 5KAH,it means the chip was made in 22'2005Quote:
Originally Posted by WoD
What do you think about this:
Geil 2x512MB 667MHz CL4-4-4-12 1,8 - 1,9 V, GX21GB5300DC
Corsair 2x512MB 675MHz CL4-4-4-12 XMS2-5400PRO, TWIN2X1024-5400C4PRO (with diagnostic LED's :P)
It's fat D9's? I can buy it cheap ;)
I don't know what those GEiL's are... But SOME 5400C4 was D9 Fat body, but I don't think all the 5400C4 is D9 Fat Body...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaSell
what is average/good/exelent DDR2 D9 performance?
what can I expect?
This is really hard... like i allready asked.. Can someone please make a proper list witch sticks and witch not have d9 :(
Did you missed the start post..... All mems listed in the startpost have D9 easy as that.... And listing which mems doesn't have D9 is impossible ain't it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waus-mod
Here was my wintec ddr2 ages ago (more than a year!!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...20&postcount=8
can someone provide a link to one of the fatboy memories that i can just click the add to cart and buy? all the item numbers are confusing me. need a straight link to the cheapest fat boys, 2x512 preferably.
any1 know if new Corsair for example Corsair XMS 512MB PC5400 667MHz are equipped with fatbody D9`s?
BTW what is the max safe voltage on non-fat body D9`s? About 2.3V? 2.5V?
can i suggesst a replacement to the fatbody D9
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules...wcontent&id=22
Duonger
You can use the this thread here to discuss DDR2 memory: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=90973
The 991382 is mislabeled on newegg.com. It is actually "Enhanced Performance" EM5300 5-5-5-15:Quote:
Originally Posted by BB mods's
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...asp?id=&size=4
It is really confirmed they are fatbody?
The mixed results on newegg suggest that this is value RAM that comes with "random" chips and with random draw of heatspreader or not.
PDC21G5600+XBLK is it confirmad that all of those are D9?
I have Corsair 5400C4 not D9 !
Nice list,
A little off topic: what are those new chips that are supposed to be even better than the fatbody d9's?
EDIT: fixed spelling
They aint :)
From Fugger's review of the Mushkin:Quote:
Originally Posted by @_dud
http://fugger.netfirms.com/mush5301.jpg
The Elpida chips are looking good, but does anyone know about the XBL memory Patriot sale?
This list needs to be updated so that people don't order RAM expecting to get fat D9s when some are already gone. I'll try to help out what I can.
where can you find super talent in the US anyways?
Here are some: http://www.ewiz.com/query.php?categr...=%23displaytop.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I want to buy Crusial Balistic DDR2 this D9 fatbody or not ?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...558867&CatId=0
Corsair chips vary from Rev. to Rev., I have bought a pair of extremely shixxy
6400PRO (Rev. 3.1) which couldn't even do CL4 with 2.3v:slapass:
Finaly does anybody have a photo of the REAL fatbody chips or not?......:(
Here's one hipro :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1417
Can you answer my 2 month old LOD question now :D
Thank you very much.....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
....and the question was?......:D
this was my only D9.
unfortunatly, in my curiousity, I killed the ram removing the heatspreader :(
one ram chip fell off, so I knew it was dead and just ripped the rest off.
I figured... well it's not that expensive, I will just buy another one.
after an hour online, I see its not made anymore.
it was made around late 2004 early 2005.
then replaced with 5300...
pity, cause this stuff was cheap when it was at newegg.
anyways, heres some photos of me destroying some D9.
by the way, I had this stuff up to 700 mhz at cas 3-2-2-4 on a crappy ass Abit 925X board... not even the XE, but the old junky X board.
I been saving it for a good DDR2 board...
but today I got curious, and killed it on accident :(
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1146165412
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1146165412
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1146165412
Sorry to revive this thread but I am starting to hunt for some D9 Fat Bodies and will be going o some local store in hopes of seeing some. does the XXX in D9XXX signify wether it is a stepping or which type of D9. Is the way to tell its fat body buy the rectangular shape versus the square?
Thank You
Tim
Micron D9DQT & D9DQW are the rectagular chips that you're probably looking for. I'm pretty sure they are no longer produced. Most of the newer D9's are square-shaped and not so-called Fat Body chips.
As someone else pointed out, D9 is just Micron's code for DDR2. It has no special meaning other than that. Some people think D9 and Fat Body are the same thing. They're not. D9 just means Micron DDR2. It's what you'll see etched onto the chips. On Micron's website, they don't list the chips by D9XXX. Instead they use the part number. You may see something like "MT47H128M8BT-37E". The code after the hyphen indicates the cycle time, cas latency and rated speed. For example, "37E" in Micron-speak means 3.7ns, CL4, DDR2-533MHz.
Thank you very much sierra_bound. I know my luck will be hard pressed to find some fat bodies but maybe fry's or somewhere will have a old rev of the ddr2 8000 which would make me ever so happy.
Thank you
Tim
I don't think that you can find fatbodys on cheap pc8000 sticks .
Better look on pc5300 & pc4200 . Old sticks from crucial/micron have the most chances to use fatbody .
I will keep my eye open to those when I am out, thanks.
Don't overlook some of the newer chips like D9GMH which perform very well at a better price point than the old Fat Body modules. The one thing about the older Fat Body chips. They were mainly found in 512MB modules. Not sure if that's an issue with you.
BTW, I was looking at the list of modules in the first post. I believe some of them are not Fat Body sticks. For example, Corsair 6400 probably uses Elpida, though I'm not 100% certain.
I am sure some of the sticks in the first post are still around with different ic's being used. What kind of speeds can D9GMH hit and with what kind of latency's? I like to bench pi and the if there is something else out their that can match the low latency's I will go after them as long as the prce is nto rediculous.
The older Fat Body chips can run 3-2-2 or 4-2-2 at pretty decent speeds. That was one of their big selling points. The newer D9's like D9GMH probably run best at 4-4-4 or 4-4-3. You can get them to do 3-3-3 too. OPB has a thread on the TeamGroup 6400's which use D9GMH chips.
This is just my opinion but I think people overrate the importance of cas latency on DDR2. Certainly you want to avoid CL5. But you're not going to see a huge difference between, say, 4-3-3 and 3-3-3 at the same memory speed.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This was not done with Fat Body modules. But compare 3-4-3 with 4-4-3 at same CPU speed, same FSB and same memory speed. Different modules used (Corsair & Super Talent).
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7494/3434438cq.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4543/4434433xu.jpg
Thank you for doing that little test. Now I wonder if the tighter timings Fat Body can pull on ras to cas and ras precharge make much of a difference.
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRTC in Intel memory tweaker-speak) is more important IMO than cas latency. BTW, I'm not discounting CL altogether. The one advantage to running CL4 versus CL3 is that you can generally get higher memory speed.
With 2X1GB kits, the tightest timings you're going to be able to run are probably 3-3-3. If you want to run tighter than that, look for an old 2X512 Fat Body set.
Thank you a ton sierra_bound You really helped me out.
Has anyone confirmed that the Patriot 6400 is or isn't fatbody? Model # PDC21G6400LLK
there is a ton of patriot on ebay...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMeatFrog
I asked fugger about the Patriots and he said that they changed the chips. He said that all of the black heatsinked sticks used D9 fatties, and some of the red ones. They don't make the black ones anymore, so you know that if you see some with black heatspreaders, they're D9 fatty.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMeatFrog
Or maybe I'm getting mixed around and all of the red ones used D9 fatties...
I have a chance to pick some up with black spreaders. Maybe I should PM him and ask. :)
Edit: Straight from the man himself...
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
red or black = fat D9 ?
both. red = guaranteed D9 fatty.
The ones I was looking at had black spreaders so I opted to pass on them. My search for the fattys continues. :slap:
I think your best bet at the moment will probably just be to get some Crucial Ballistix off of ebay and hope for the best...
So you're saying mine are Fatbody?Quote:
Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
Why don't they oc that great then?
646MHz 3-3-3-4 @ 2.25v
830MHz 4-3-3-4 @ 2.25v
896MHz 4-4-3-4 @ 2.25v
960MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.25v
Maybe I should take of the heatsinks, but will I be able to reattach them?
Probably the reds use Fatbody D9, and the black ones some other Micron IC's.
I've contacted Patriot and they say they only use Micron for theire DDR2, so no Elpida.
SMA, from what I've read fatties need voltage!!!!!
Are there some other characterizes of Fatbody D9?
e.g. do they get hot?
If I remove the ramsinks, you guys think I would be able to reattach them?
I can't test with higher voltage because my board is limited at 2.25v
If they're red heatspreaders, then they're 100% D9 fats. You'll probably be able to reattach the heatspreaders so long as you don't cut the clips off and you don't rip an IC off either. Use Steven's suggestion and look at the chips from the side under the spreader and you can tell by how wide they are if they're D9 fatty.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMa
IC's are squares.
I can't remove the heatsinks, it looks like they are "glued" to the IC's and I'm afraid that I would rip one off.
So these are not fatty's, because if I'm correct fatty's arn't squares.
Maybe some other revision of the fatbodies ? There are some D9XXX which clock pretty well even when they are 'thin'Quote:
Originally Posted by SMa
That's true, D9 fatty's are almost as big as the PCBQuote:
Originally Posted by SMa
I bought them on the 21th of february 2006, so long after they stopped producing it.
IC's are like 1cm by 1cm
Any hints on removing the heatsinks without cutting or pulling the IC's off?
I tryed heating, pulling, pushing, ... it didn't move an inch
Try freezing? I've heard that sticking the them in the freezer for a little while helps... I guess it makes the glue/adhesive brittle enough to detach from the ICs. :)
Lol. I used those flatheat screwdrivers to pry the sticky tape off the ram IC =D.
Just a thought, i wonder how many people stripped their rams, and then put it back and RMA-ed it when it died. :rolleyes:
If we do that, Manufacturers go :slapass: , we go :woot: :D :banana:
It's not only about RMA.
If I want to sell them (and the sinks are off, so no waranty) pricing would be much lower. If the IC's are fatbody's it wouldn't make a difference, but if not...
anyone know if the crucial 2x512MB DDR2 667Mhz 3-3-3-12 2.2v still use fatbody D9's?
All I know is that 1 year ago, they didn't use "true" fat bodies. they couldn't do 3-2-2 timings. (or my samples didn't anyway :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
I can get 8000UL. On the heatspreader, it is labeled XMS8005v1.1. I'd like to know if this revision (1.1) is fat body or not. Are all 8000ULs fatties? Anyway, thanks for the help.:)
Those ones would be fat bodies.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145034
this have micron D9?
What KIT 2X1GB got micron d9 for 200~250dlls? in newegg? :/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146093
this ram is enough for conroe oc's???
sry for my english
Spinal, nothing retail will have any fat body any longer. If that is what you seek you have to buy used. There are some very strong 2gig kits out there and intel gets some performance gain over 1gig. Just ask around or open a thread on what is good for your budget.
Tim
I can still find ocz 4200EB rev2 and 5400EB in 2x512mb kitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
these are still D9 fatbodies aren't they?
ok :(
i want buy 2gigs ... DDR2 675 pc5400 is enough for conroe 6600? or need good ram DDR2 800 PC6400?? i want to get good oc results.
I was under the impression that it was no longer available unless you found old stick or bight used. I'd ask Tony about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
The HZ from G.Skill so far seems to be very good aswell as the Corsiar PC6400 C3's, and the only other ones I know do well as I am fairly new to ddr2 is TeamGroup's ram. THey have some great bang for the buck ram at under $200 which I believe do 500mhz on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinal
Tim
pretty sure it was old stock. ddr2 wasn't too popular in australia here until now I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
I just bought some patriot fat bodies of the bay & cheap too:D
Are all D9 chips any good cause I can get 4 x 512 mega cheap?
Alot of the Crucial PC6400 and PC8000's in AU are Fatbodies as well. Also last I checked some retailers still have Corsair ULs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
nintek's stock? I think they're the only ones who have crucial ram in the aus. Anyhoo I should have some 5400UL coming :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
I ended up buying the G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ with the Micron IC's for a very good price, fat bodies were just too expensive for 2GB :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
I got a 2x1GB set of Fatbody D9 for around $500 iirc from Nintek (Crucial PC6400).Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Only tested @ 1.8V but they do 690MHz 3-2-2-4 (FSB limitation, crappy Asus N4L :P)
I don't know about their current stock but when I got PC6400's they had Fatbody D9.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
They only have a 1GB (2x512MB) kit now that is loose in the bargain bin for over $300
There would be the very last place in AU I would buy anything :stick: :nono:
what type of volts do you guys use to get 3-2-2
Neither of current batch Ballistix PC8000 BL2KIT6464AA1005 or PC5300 BL2KIT6464AA663 is Fatbody (no kiddin ;))
They both use the same IC, Micron D9GMH.
It's easy with Fatbodys . Even with 2.2V you can play at 350Mhz & 3-2-2-4 .Quote:
Originally Posted by Hassan
If you want to play with 2.6V+ , you can reach 400Mhz 3-2-2-4 .
It woud be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welz
I vote sticky too, it does suck having to dig around for this thread :(
Look what came in the mail today:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3696/img04559xm.jpg:woot:
What are 8000UL generally capable of at 2.5v?
Sorry that's actually 2.1V, thought my mobo only supplied 1.8V.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Patriot Signature Line, 2x512MB DDR2-667 CL5 with black heatspreader.... any idea whether they're Fatty D9's?
Look what came in for just 60€ :D
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5...tty15hz.th.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7...tty28hg.th.jpg
D9DQW so i'll hope they will clock to atleast 800mhz 3-2-2-8 :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaWaN
you lucky bastards!!:(
Did you buy it oem , or did you ask for micron?
nope, probably elpidaQuote:
Originally Posted by fakhrain
Could some one give me the reference of the 1gb micron modules , so i can ask my dealer.
Searched the biggest dutch second hand selling site and kept asking for pics. Those sticks came out of a OEM machine, producing date is 0502, so they are pretty old ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N00B
haha, Dawan
I got your D9DQW big brother here;)
1gx2..
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/893/dscn03862bt.jpg
They are so nice :slobber: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Almost every OEM micron which is produced at the very beginning of 2005 seems to be fatty's. I really wanted 2x1GB, but 2x512mb for 60e ain't too shabby :)
What for chips are on this sticks ? http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...m_dual_channel
Maybe D9 ? Or some cheap Infineon/nanya ? 400Mhz Cl4 is not bad..
Does this meanQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...stix_Kits.html - Top kit
arent Fatbody D9's?
Yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Micron D9 rev. A chips haven´t been available for a while.
All Ballistix DD2 sticks use Micron D9, but not "Fatbody".
No they aren't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Fatbody D9 isn't made anymore.
btw,
In my opinion Fatbody is far overrated.
Hoki cool cheers. Are these worth getting in that case? Likely to hit 450-460 with decent timings?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
So true :) D9GMH and D9GKX doesn't do 3-2-2-8 but they even love more volts than Fatty's and do way more MHz'es :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SMa
Everything is possible when you give enough vmem and put latency's at 3-3-3-x .Quote:
Originally Posted by DaWaN
Who needs 3-2-2-x anyway. We need > 1000MHz Cl3!
D9Gxx should be the new king of DDR2! :D
anybody tell me what code do the BT-37E chips use (D9XXX)?
D9DQWQuote:
Originally Posted by heikis
Also D9DQTQuote:
Originally Posted by Stelios
any info about D9CRZ,in Micron Web,it's also BT-37E:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook