i was refering to the x1800xt, nice card you gotQuote:
Originally Posted by RickCain
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i was refering to the x1800xt, nice card you gotQuote:
Originally Posted by RickCain
Just wondering sampsa...so how the XL/ST clocks rights now actually depends on this new oc utility ???
Is it the new TRIXX oc utility everyone's been talking about ?
Perkam
DH has tested overclocking on XT.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...erclocking.htm
Alright, I've made up my mind after seeing the DH OCing....I'm getting an X1800XT :slobber:
Anybody wanna pay MSRP for my GTX? :D
Great Info !!! 685/1790 ON AIR !!! :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
But yea, practically everyone knows that the "XT" clocks well...cos we know its on a newer core than the XL and with faster 1.26ns memory...its the XL everyone was in the dark about...hence our enthusiasm for more numbers :D
Perkam
For those of us with 6800/7800 watercooling, this is even more attractive....just slap it on, no leaktesting or adapter changing or anything. Looks like this puppy with it's adjustable voltages could also use a little water loving. :D
Now we need the damn software (and the card in retail--but that's soon enough and a definite) to get it past CCC levels.
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Originally Posted by perkam
and thats just on stock voltage. :) Granted we may need some more Xtreme air cooling to take full advantage of a volt increase, but theres gotta be more in store.
i want one.
no, actually make that 2.
Bah you guys will end up doing better than that :D Jumper the fan to high speed or put a water block on it and then see what it does. With the fan on high speed I've never had one do less than 700 on the engine and around 1800-1860 on memory. Stock volts.
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Originally Posted by perkam
Hey Greyskull,
Why won't ATI release the overclocking/vmod utility to the OC community? I mean I can understand why you wouldn't want to make it available via your web site or on the driver install disk but we really need this with these cards. If we have to wait for someone to 'figure it out' I'm not going to like that very much.
:)
right now the only oc util which works with the cards is the utility from ati, which is not available to the general public .. sapphire trixx does not work with these cards either
i am working on adding support to atitool but it's a major pain ..
yes - and that large MOSFET sink is that size for a reason I would imagine. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
Well... all 7800GTX cards do 430 -> 500 (stock vgpu and cooling) so I wouldn't say 625 -> 686 is a good overclock for the XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
But if grayskull's number of at least 700 for every card it's starting to get good :)
i'll deffinetely get one at least +)
Crotale....there's more to OCing than stock cooling numbers ;)
Let's just say that the OC attainable from an XT on watercooling with any software mod should be much greater than a GTX's OC on watercoolign with only software mods. My GTX runs cool to the touch yet won't scrape an inch past 526MHz on watercooling (sub 40C load temps mean nothing when the clocks won't go up!) without vmods yet the XT could probably get past 800 with the software vmods. Not only that but the memory also seems to OC VERY well!
Then there's DICE, which only some GTXs can withstand.
Then there's cascade, then there's LN2--look for the XT to really flourish here while my GTX would probably pop a blood vessel even thinking about -196C temps.
I look forward to seeing more from these cards as more and more people get them...if they do turn out to be OCing duds, then shame on me for making predictions.
Hey Wizzard nice to see you :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
I tortured several 8 pipe 9500's because of you ;)
Anyway I hope you can make ATI Tool work and also unlock the software voltage control, that would be awsome. It seems ATI won't be any help on this which is just silly.
Both, GPU and memory controller are programmable so it's possible to create a tool to raise the GPU and memory voltages via software. Since ATI is dropping Control Panel from the future driver releases, it would be great to see a 3rd party program with these overclocking features. I talked with Terry Makedon and he said that he actually hopes someone will do a 3rd party CP and is even ready to give some support on that (maybe some advice to overclocking features also?).
The programs I'm using are ATI internal and cannot be shared with public. Sorry about that. I understand it's not fair towards other enthusiastic overclockers but please consider my overclocks as a reference and help to the overclocking community. In this case I'm more interested of figuring out the limits of R520 than bragging with top 3dmark05 score. I hope my early findings and information helps other people when they get the cards and tools to play with.
When I started overclocking back in 1998 there were really little support from manufacturers towards overclockers. Abit and Asus were propably the first to bring some nice features like raising the FSB and voltages on motherboard. Now after 7 years even graphics card companies are interested of overclocking so it's definitely better than nothing! Even Intel has now overclocking features on their desktop motherboards! :cool:
Stay tuned for a quest to 1 GHz / 1 GHz attempt next week with R520!
Try to contact wizzard from www.techpowerup.com, author of ATI-Tool, maybe he can do it?! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Good Luck for ur 1/1GHz! :toast:
as far as i could see - he's already up to this thread! he replied some posts over yours :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GravediggA
Arg.. i should not post, a few min after waking up... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RaZz!
Is there any chance these cards might get smaller with new revisions etc?
I really want one but something that big would really shag up my airflow.
Nice clocks by the way :)
/Ed
Dont count on it. 6800 and 7800 cards did not get smaller eigher. I whant to buy a XI800 XL. But i'm afraid that i get a core withe the so called softground problems and that newer XL cards that will be comming a month later will me clocking a 100 MHz more on the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddieate
What do you guy's think of that ?
Hmmm...apparently, unless ATI clears this new core vs old core thing, its all up in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
But the memory OCs look very good, you'll just need better aircooling (ati silencer for X1800) to get a good overclock tis all.
Perkam
grayskull -> how do you explain going from 625/750 to 685/895 boosts performance over 25% in doom3 :slobber: with only a 10% GPU oc... :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Maybe ATI did all this on purpose (including the folding power), as a treat for the long delay...... :p:
Selectin the 625mhz core speed of the XT so as to appear normal in performance but whooops the 7800 once in the hands of enthusiasts...... :D
This kind of thing pleases us and I forsee a mass overclocking orgy...... :fact:
wow, I had no clue such software existed that allowed you to raise vcore on the gpu. I was wondering how the vcore was raised so quickly as I didn't think anyone figured out a hardmod yet and I saw no wiring. Very interesting. I hope someone brings something to the table. I would donate coin for that utility for sure.
I see no reason to add Voltcontrol via software except for clocking.
And softcontrol on vdimm, is this the first card ever that has that ?
I'm gonna get A XI800 XL as soon as i can. Gonna call some people if they can order a card for me. I just whant to try. 575 core is not bad for 1.08v. And its the max of CCC so there is more to get out of that card :D. Nog hope that the people of ATI Tool and ATi Tray tools will find a way to let us use that voltage regulator. Else i will take my soldering iron :D
6800 and 7800 cards can be ajusted by bios. I had a tool to set the ammount of voltage for the GPU. Only thing u needed to do is flash and it was set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
But this i instant no other card has it. Its more like OC guru from ABIT ajusting everything on the fly from windows.
Let me just say that we are working on this....that's all for now.
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Originally Posted by G H Z
Abit allows you to increase core and mem voltages on some of their lower range cards within Windows already. Nothing major though.
What can I say, its very impresive card, maybe need to get one after some time :stick: :woot:
Troman--they're working on it and that's all he can say.
What I can say is I can't wait! :slobber:
These cards have overrated RAM, but that just means more fun for us ;)
:welcome: Welcome To XtremeSystems, KasHelz :welcome:
Hope you enjoy your stay :)
Which cards have overrated ram ?? :confused:
Perkam
The XL has 1.4ns for what reason? It's spec is at 1GHz, not 1.4GHz... The XT's isn't overrated, but certainly clocks past it's 1.26ns rating.
The way its looking now ALL XL's have 1.4ns, at least at launch anyway. IF you were to pick one up from pretty much anywhere, it'd have 1.4ns ram (see RickCain's thread).Quote:
The XT's isn't overrated, but certainly clocks past it's 1.26ns rating.
It's clocked at 1000Mhz because it runs that speed a lot cooler with the stock heatsink.
Perkam
i wonder how much the ram will realy go. Because XT cards have 2.0v on the ram and XL cards have 1.8. So if u raise the voltage to 2.0 u could get some thing like 750 maybe more :P 750 is the stock of the XT cards that are rated 793. And those cards could even run 900+ So i would be happy if XL could get 800+ :P. I cant wait till i get one to replace my X850 XT PE board. Untill januari (R580).
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Originally Posted by Sampsa
That sounds promising if they offer support to 3rd party dev, just hope it doesn't take too long.
Also understand you can't share, no need to be sorry. Just hoping ATI will move quickly on this ie by Nov 5th ;)
The thought of having an XT I can't run properly makes me cringe.
Good luck with the 1Ghz-2Ghz project, that would be a nice record to achieve.
Temperature is deffinately an issue. I got an X1800xl yesterday and at idle it sits between 86-90C! I can run 550 core and 530 mem, but I need a better cooler. Does anyone know if the Zalman VF700 will fit? Iam not sure if I wanna keep this or not, but I have one on my x800xl.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Welcome to XtremeSystems, Nunyabiz :welcome:
Arctic Cooling will most likely be releasing an X1800 version of the ATI Silencer for the best air cooling. But yea, its no surprise heats an issue with the XL.
Perkam
Thanks for the welcome. It looks like the mounting holes for the vf700 will fit as long as it lines up with core. But with the size of the x1800 dwarfs the little zalman :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Pics !!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Perkam
I havent tried to mount the zalman yet because I am not sure if I want to keep the 1800xl or wait for the XT or get a GTX or ??? the possibilities....but when, I mean if, I do it I will take pics :DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Will the Zalman be able to handle the heat load??
Thats a good question! Maybe not the best solution, but its got to be better than that crappy stock cooler? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Thanks, I'm here some time, but not active in forum, just reading :slap: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Want to test and replace my Sapphire card with those nasty X1800XL/XT cards :fact: :woot:
Hmmmm, yeah, I forgot how bad the stock cooler seems to be, LOL. Anyway, let us know how well it goes! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
For single card, it is unbelievable.
The zalman should prform way better. I know it dous beter than my X850 XT PE stock cooler. But we need beter Air coolers from zalman and atric to cool these beasts.
http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r520/z3_ln2.jpg
No comment :cool:
:cool:
Go Sampsa Go!
LOL...thats how I roll too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Hm...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
grabbin' a Z4 anytime soon ? :D
Yes i am afraid thats what it will take to cool these things...they run way hot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Sampsa... teh great masterer :bows: :bows:
:toast:
Nice car.. Keep it chilled man. ;) Thats sweetttt....
z3 is vintage, dont like z4 design :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by AfterClock
but then i'm up for an aston :cool:
Still can't use the carpool lane though. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I want every nVidia record broken now!
he makes reviews for a magazine afaik,
yes i think its NOS too, what the hell should he do with LN² and a BMW Z3:stick:
maybe oc his car but not computers, they are cooled with air :slap:
give your best shot sampsa and let kamu rest his ln² feeding hand a bit before benching :woot:
I own a company which is responsible of writing news and articles to the largest hardware site in Finland called Muropaketti.com. I'm also studying in local University of technology. One of my hobbies is overclocking ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
VGPU via software is sexy. I hope it can do CMEM and maybe Vref etc via software as well.
I'll be picking up a r580 in feb. (my modded 9600pro is lasting long time) :P
your master card great thats all cross fire :)
Now that we are talking about your life beyond overclocking, sampsa :)... whats your avatar all about ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Perkam
It's about the trip to IDF, if I may answer ;)
It's a picture of me in Intel Developer Forum Fall 2005 (San Francisco) holding a nice framed board full of Intel's next generation CPUs (Merom, Yonah, Presler, Cedar Mill etc..) and a Pentium D wafer in the middle. That thing is worth of over $200 000 according to a Intel representive:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
http://www.muropaketti.com/sampsa/cpu_board.jpg
Pull the Processors out of there and start overclocking them lol! J/p
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Originally Posted by Sampsa
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Originally Posted by Ostate21
generally they frame the non-working samples... the wafer is probably a developement sample too...
well, i think that the new ati generation will have a great impact in overclocking, because we can tweak the volts to get more oc, it's really impressive how the oc performs in these generations, that's i think there is the diferences between ATI and nVidia cards.
Maybe the $200 000 is for the electric bill for the coolers needed to run them :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I woudln't be surprised if the core of the r580 came out at 700mhz stock.
mhz madness!
I count around 28 die across the diameter (best I could do from the picture). Assuming it's a standard 30 cm wafer that comes out to around 625 gross die. Even if the yield was 100% that's $320 a processor just for the die if the wafer is worth $200K. If the yield were 80%, that would give around $400 per processor die, cost. Seems aweful high huh? :D
The real value of the wafer is a tiny fraction of $200K. But I bet the value of your wafer is probably $0 because I can't see anyone handing out good wafers. :D :D
Now back to the topic at hand.
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Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Grayskull...you're forgetting that those are actually Smithfields, so it's only 14 across ;)
Anyway, to the guy who said R580 would be 700MHz....let's not go that far into the future, we don't even know it's shader architecture (not that we knew the R520's until a week or so before) and thus can't even begin to make a MHz judgement, then add to the fact that it's like 5+ months away :stick:
@Sampsa....those are some hi-tech looking kegs ya got, what kind of special brew ya got in there? Is it even legal to drive with that much beer in the front seat? :D
I think it's time for a :toast: for your work so far....can't wait for the LN2 action and a shot at 1GHz/2GHz!!
I'm just saying what Intel rep told me, I've no clue what a wafer full of dies cost and how they determine the value. AND it's not my wafer... for god sakes they didn't let me keep that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
*conversation in storage basement at intel*Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome
"hey...what should we do with all these non-working samples?"
"meh, chuck 'em"
goes to toss out samples....
"--wait, no, i have a better idea...let's frame them"
"that's a good idea"
"yeah"
I Heard that the R580 would be a RV530 X 4. So it will have 16 robs with 3 shaders per Rob. What would give a total of 48 shaders. The RV530 has Only 4 pipes. And 4 texture units. I think thats one of the factor that its so slow. Because 4 texture shaders is not much if u have to race against 6600 GT with 8 of a 6800 GT with 16. U see that the shader peformance is of hat card is verry good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
So if this all is true the R580 will be quite fast :)
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Originally Posted by Astennu
wooooaahhhhhhh there. Thats quite a bit of speculation there. But while we're at it, I have some really valuable swampland down in Florida that you might be interested in....
Seriously though, it's a bit early in the game to be assuming anything at all about the R580.
And to think he quoted my subtle 'stop the R580 discussion here' post as a reference to talk about it :(
Ok one more thing. ATi itselve said that the RV530 would look like the R580 in architecture. But we will see waht the future brings :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
But lets se some insane XI800 clocks + 3dmarks !!!! :D
grayskull -> any reactions to this : http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/efficiency/ ??
I say who cares when 1GHz/2GHz is potentially reachable on the XT!! Also...with theoretical performance that does TIE the 16 pipe GTX at the same clocks (or beats it in some cases), I say wait for some better drivers.
i don't, i'm going for 2 *whateveristhelatestaticard* in crossfire as soon as my rig requires update, but i would like to see what grayskull has to say, since a PR response would be nothing more then useless... PR claims more efficient pipelines, what does tech have to say ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Those are some very nice clocks on the gfx m8. Cant wait till further benching ^^
Good luck with it sampsa
Not to put words in his mouth, but I'd personally say that the core was designed to run at higher speeds with massive memory bandwidth and more than competes with a 24 pipe card when it is at those higher speeds and bandwidth. Efficiency shouldn't be an issue in the end--performance at the max should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome
lol
at first i thought you were carrying a cheque +)
The test is Bull :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Fit u run it again with a GTX @ 600 MHz and the ATi on 600 you would see other resulds. Because the R520 architecture will scale beter. But A GTX can't run 600 but if it could you would see other resulds.
At equal clocks and pipes, the GTX will always win. But the GTX wasn't designed to run at higher clocks with high bandwidth, unlike the R520, which was. The GTX truly is 'more efficient' than the R520 (like Dothan is more efficient than the A64) but what good is efficiency if one clocks to Hell and back while the other doesn't?
BTW, A GTX @ 625/1500 will outperform the XT by about 850-900 points in 3D05....not sure if you disable 8 pipes though :stick:
i know and that, but i wanted to see if i could get a more specific answer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
by the way, any idea how these things scale with new driver releases ??
x1800 gpu vcore change support is working in atitool :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
if you need a test build please contact me directly (it's not on the website.. yet)
YAY! THANKS!
What is the max you can set it to and will vmem support ever come around?
You rock W1zzard. I don't even have the card yet I am excited to see what others can get. I want to see if the XL can run above and beyond stock XT speeds artifact and stable free.
i did go as far as 1.4v .. didnt try more .. up to 1.8v educated guess
cant kill this card yet :rolleyes:
i take it you are running an XL? At 1.4v how high stable and artifact free did you get the card and what were the temps and what cooling? Thanks.
i did not overclock at all .. my job is to make the software for people to overclock :)
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Originally Posted by W1zzard
Great...I am people :D ygpm
ah yes Nunyabiz, you were one of the first to find an XL locally. Give this a try and share your findings as I know you were limited to the CCC overclock.
Nice this is barely out and already ATI tool supports it.
overclocking DOES NOT work in this version .. ati made it very very very complicated
I have the CCC and it has overclocking, just wont go above 575 on the core, how hard is it to change that limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
LOL... Thats what its all about.... The ATI CAN and the GTX CANT. The GTX will be better at same clocks, but it clocks no near close to what ATI clocks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
When I read that, I just told myself... What the hell you think? >.<
Scour the ATi sections of the registry....something tells me those aren't magic numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz