x1800--->9700marks(default) at 3dmark05?

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10-02-2005, 06:59 PM
freecableguy

Still a month away...any way you slice it. LOL
10-02-2005, 07:16 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta67

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/

SWEET, my 9600XT gets it's ass kicked by the new low end part...

I need a new video card.
10-02-2005, 08:02 PM
Vapor

That new card competes with the 9800Pro :stick:

I can't wait. :D
10-02-2005, 08:07 PM
nachthymnen

Near 1Ghz of core it's amazing!!!And near 2Ghz for the ram...the same!!! :slobber:
10-02-2005, 08:22 PM
jahjahbinks

hopefully x1800 will be out this week.
10-02-2005, 08:27 PM
Stuperman

well the counter ends wed 9am EST (but that may just be that the counter is synched to your/my local clock).
10-02-2005, 08:32 PM
Vapor

Yeah, 9AM, but we don't know which timezone....it's synched to your local clock.
10-02-2005, 08:40 PM
babyelf

1day 18hours for me :D
10-02-2005, 08:50 PM
Karma

I think some people here missed that the link provided has 3 other pages........ :stick: ;)
10-02-2005, 09:02 PM
Stuperman

NO, I didn't uh, want to uh,read them till uh, later, yeah, that's it......

That X1600XT has 256bit memory type bandwidth and the X1800XT pwns F.E.A.R. (or so ATI claims)

I really hope those are bridged down to AGP, the X1600's at least.
10-02-2005, 09:06 PM
4rory

I think it's est time because ati is here just outside of toronto.

Also Us overclockers and the like have to really bow down to ati for noticing us, software vgpu adjustments? come on, this is a big step ati took, watch all other graphics cards follow now. Thanks ati for noticing this 1% market!

Also greyskull do you work out of the toronto area office? My neighboor works for ati in the driver development part, just wondering if you to know each other.
10-02-2005, 09:36 PM
Lestat HWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troman

yeah indeed you tell us..
were is the so called ATI SUPPORT ? :rolleyes:

Grayskull cannot speak about information that is NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement)...

Please do not be rude to the company reps that participate in this forum.

Thank you.
10-02-2005, 09:53 PM
GAR

i dont believe it, this ati thing is ridiculous, even if the cards are released its too little too late this round, i like ati tho, my next build i will probably go back to ati, but this round they were too late.
10-02-2005, 10:02 PM
zakelwe

I'm looking forward to seeing a 1Ghz run in 3dmark for the very first time, to me that has more "wow" factor than a bigegr score.

The rv530 X1600XT looks very nice, it sure gives the 6600GT a good kicking. Hopefully this will force nvidia to get 7600 and 7200 out of the door on 90nm or else they will be losing mid range sales.

Any 3dmark03 results ? Prefer those to 05.

Regards

Andy
10-02-2005, 10:20 PM
HeavyH20

ATI may be late, but if they prove their card to be faster, those seeking the absolute fastest product, even if already vested in the 7800 GTX, will switch. I have a feeling ATI will watch for the flood of 7800 GTX cards on eBay as the first sign of new sales. :D
10-02-2005, 11:07 PM
G H Z

The modifiable GPU voltage sounds very cool. It will be interesting to see how they control/cap it. Let it wide open as long as the core temperature is reasonable :D

If it's only GPU voltage thats tweakable with a hard mod the memory might hit 2 Ghz!
10-02-2005, 11:38 PM
Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

Here's hoping the non-cherries clock anywhere near as good.
Yes memory on top side would have been nice, but would have made the stock cooling infinitely more difficult.
10-02-2005, 11:44 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

i peed a little reading that.
10-02-2005, 11:49 PM
nachthymnen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

OMG :slobber: It's possible to know the clock under frostbyteIII? :D
10-02-2005, 11:55 PM
G H Z

Hi Greyskull,

Was the 'slight volt modding' done via software? Can you tell us the limits or any other details at this point, or your final clocks? :D

Also I was assuming that the card Gorilla mentioned running 856/1880 was done on LN2 no?
10-02-2005, 11:57 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

pitty they didn't invite you over to Ibiza hehehehehee
10-03-2005, 01:21 AM
b0bd0le

what does a 7800GTX score in 3dmark05? the X1800XL is a tad slower than it...

the difference between the XL & the XT seems to be huge

i wonder how available the XT will be
10-03-2005, 02:02 AM
Tanktanium

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0bd0le

what does a 7800GTX score in 3dmark05? the X1800XL is a tad slower than it...

the difference between the XL & the XT seems to be huge

i wonder how available the XT will be

If there aren't a large number of cards available at the offical launch date for X1800XT, ATI is sunk for the high end. Nobody can withstand the bad rep of two failed paper launches in a row.
10-03-2005, 03:36 AM
Jort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

Cold bug....what's that? :D

ati still kicks :banana: :banana: :banana:

mhh i sold my X800 because i didn't give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about grafics(don't game anymore) but i am very tempting to buy a X1800XL :slobber:
10-03-2005, 04:01 AM
Victorshen

is this the 24ps version or the 16ps version?
10-03-2005, 04:03 AM
Vapor

16p/8v
10-03-2005, 04:21 AM
nachthymnen

There's no way to know the results?
PVT? :D
10-03-2005, 04:40 AM
Victorshen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

16p/8v

how could it be 8vs?
it should be 10vs
10-03-2005, 04:48 AM
Vapor

The sell sheets say 8 Geometry Pipes....of course there's speculation that these slides are fake--I'll take them as truth until notified otherwise.
10-03-2005, 04:48 AM
_Eduard_

I think ATI is going to be the first to achive 1ghz core gpu clocks (no wait I'm sure :D )
10-03-2005, 05:06 AM
perkam

Quote:

of course there's speculation that these slides are fake

I've reviewed the evidence on Rage3d claiming that the slides are fake, and though I find dissappointing the level of fanboyism there, the slides have grammatical errors, but only a few things that you'd only see if you set out to find mistakes in the slides in the first place ;) .

The slides seem very real to me, enjoy :)

Perkam
10-03-2005, 05:10 AM
k|ngp|n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

That is the best news I have heard so far...really excited for these cards.
10-03-2005, 05:27 AM
dinos22

Grayskull can you comment on this quote

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..

If I dont remember very wrong, The Stilt tested an CPU with cold bug and it did'nt OC at all with, hmm, cascade? CO2? LN2?
Then he tested this ATI CF mobo and same thing, hard cold bug, but in BIOS he found "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" (I dont know if it writes/translates like that) and CPU OC like hell after that "found"
No cold bug :)

That's why I asked if someone know if DFI's crossfire mobo has these adjustable resisance's optios in BIOS, if they have so I think cold bug is history :fact:
10-03-2005, 06:52 AM
DCR

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAR

i dont believe it, this ati thing is ridiculous, even if the cards are released its too little too late this round, i like ati tho, my next build i will probably go back to ati, but this round they were too late.

I don't really think there is such a thing as "too late" anymore, when regarding graphics cards. The timing of the card releases seems to almost roll around at a seamless rate nowadays, and actually makes it difficult to shell out $600 for a card, when the next ass-kicker might be 60 days out.

That being said, I have sat out this entire "round" waiting for the ATI launch that we have in a day or so. My X800XT PE is working just fine, so I was only slightly tempted to buy a 7800 GTX to boost performance, but fortunately, I was patient enough to hold out.

So, I am going to sell my MSI board and X800XT PE AGP card, and dive into the next gen ATI and PCI Express...and I think it was worth the wait.
10-03-2005, 07:14 AM
Razor_Sniper

came acros this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...es/X1800-1.jpg
10-03-2005, 07:18 AM
Vapor

So did we 37 posts ago :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...46#post1066346
10-03-2005, 07:18 AM
perkam

I'm tired of seeing Dx9 on a nex gen slide...i think if microsoft was following the same development timeline as dx7 to dx 8 to dx9, we'd have dx 10 by now :(

yea yea i know, the tech isnt ready yet :p:

EDIT: Vapor that's the second time you've out-posted me to a response !!! lol

Perkam
10-03-2005, 07:23 AM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

EDIT: Vapor that's the second time you've out-posted me to a response !!! lol

Perkam

Well, look how much you typed compared to me.... :p:

Say the minimum and then edit up, we do have 2 free minutes :D

EDIT: what was the first one? LOL...can't find it

EDIT2: it appears that Macci's been watching the forum, why can't he just post a "hi from Ibiza" with at least a smiley...I wanna know that he's got the single card record already :D
10-03-2005, 07:44 AM
mrlobber

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

EDIT2: it appears that Macci's been watching the forum, why can't he just post a "hi from Ibiza" with at least a smiley...I wanna know that he's got the single card record already :D

Hmm, if he's lurking around here, probably he has nothing to do anymore, which means, he's got the record in his pocket :D
10-03-2005, 07:46 AM
Vapor

Exactly ;)
10-03-2005, 07:51 AM
Jort

or maybe he saw one of the numbers posted hee and is trying to get one :D
10-03-2005, 07:52 AM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jort

or maybe he saw one of the numbers posted hee and is trying to get one :D

You know he's at the ATi event and is being sponsored (as well as Sampsa) to set the single card records while he's there, right? Those scores are his (and Sampsa's)...
10-03-2005, 07:54 AM
Jort

yeah score together then, we will know it wednesday
10-03-2005, 08:21 AM
Comp-Freak

Insane :woot: Can't believe it, but if all of this is true... would be so cool :D Good one from ATi.
10-03-2005, 09:00 AM
b0bd0le

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...es/X1800-1.jpg
hmm...
10-03-2005, 09:03 AM
Vapor

Did you even bother to look up 10 posts? Or is there something new you want us to see? :stick:
10-03-2005, 09:23 AM
trakslacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0bd0le

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...es/X1800-1.jpg
hmm...

ppl please read thorugh the thread before posting these things. Chances are that is you found it, someone else already found it first.

Not trying to be hateful or mean, just a friendly reminder. Anyhoo, I'm psyched about these new cards. :)
10-03-2005, 09:40 AM
Magnj

Quote:

Originally Posted by trakslacker

ppl please read thorugh the thread before posting these things. Chances are that is you found it, someone else already found it first.

Not trying to be hateful or mean, just a friendly reminder. Anyhoo, I'm psyched about these new cards. :)

:slapass:
did you really need to quote that pic for a third time
10-03-2005, 10:03 AM
DCR

+equips flame suit+

Can anyone speculate what this card would pull on 3Dmark03?

What does an '05 score of 9100 equal in an '03 run?

:flame: :am:
10-03-2005, 10:03 AM
Marlowe

I think it's great that ATI include the 3DMark05 scores for a point of measure for the cards.. I've asked for excactly that before.. (what about the rest of the system providing those scores btw?)

However that leaves little doubt that they have focused quite a bit on getting high scores in that particular benchmark, and obviously tweaked their drivers for it.. I just want people to have that in mind..

Peace.
10-03-2005, 10:06 AM
wittekakker

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCR

+equips flame suit+

Can anyone speculate what this card would pull on 3Dmark03?

What does an '05 score of 9100 equal in an '03 run?

:flame: :am:

35k :confused:
10-03-2005, 10:40 AM
perkam

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam
10-03-2005, 11:12 AM
HaLDoL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?
10-03-2005, 11:39 AM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

It should be 14893 based on the sell sheets. but i find it weird that the sell sheets are 125% above 7800GTX for the X1800XT. my original thoughts were 12963 singlecard, but i have raised that score regardless of what you have said becasue of the sell sheets. :rolleyes:

I had $1400 set aside for 2 cards, but it doesn't look like this may be enough. :stick: Sheesh ATI...Sapphire can't be screwing you around that bad...like c'mon now. :stick:
10-03-2005, 11:52 AM
Ubermann

"Shader model 3.0 DONE RIGHT" it says, what do they refer to then ?
10-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

I hope this is also belongs to RV515 chips. Those X1600XT 256 MB looks fantastic :slobber:
10-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Sampsa

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLDoL

So after Macci, Sampsa sold out to ATi?

ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:
10-03-2005, 12:31 PM
Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

What`s the price ? Brand new X1800XT with yours and Macci`s signs on it ? :D
10-03-2005, 12:33 PM
hipro5

Way to go Sampsa........... :) :toast:
10-03-2005, 12:37 PM
L@TrO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)
:toast:

Let's hope you'll use a lot of screens in that review :)
10-03-2005, 12:37 PM
Jort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:

ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:
10-03-2005, 12:39 PM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jort

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.
10-03-2005, 12:40 PM
LardArse

Awwww man Sampsa... NDA...?? you know there's no such thing among us overclockers right?? :D
My PM box has lots of space ;)
10-03-2005, 12:43 PM
DCR

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam

I thought that '03 was the most GPU dependent of the three?
10-03-2005, 01:14 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLDoL

Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.
10-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Jort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry pickedones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

grayskull what is this? care to explain
:confused:

i understand its normal but if a ati rep guy saids not cherry and sampsa saids cherry wth is this. :slapass:
10-03-2005, 01:25 PM
Vapor

Maybe they had one, realized there were better ones and then used those? ;)
10-03-2005, 01:28 PM
Grayskull

Not true...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.
10-03-2005, 01:34 PM
Jort

K this is word against word, w'll see this at the rusults from regular oc'ers
10-03-2005, 01:36 PM
Grayskull

Cherry picking to me means that someone rounds up a bunch of the highest speed bin parts, runs them to the limit and then selects the best one to use. This did not happen for sure. Unless someone has a different meaning for cherry picking, then the cards were not cherry picked.

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

If Macci + Sampsa did have a cherry picked card and ran it with LN2 they should be getting unmatchable overclocks...which they obviously aren't. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.
10-03-2005, 01:38 PM
GoriLLakoS

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....
10-03-2005, 01:39 PM
Jort

Thanks
10-03-2005, 01:41 PM
alexio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

So it's true because you say so?

I'm not here to offend you. Once the cards are for sale we will know if you are telling the truth. And I think I trust you because you would be damn stupid if you are lying about this.....

But I don't know why Sampsa would be lying.
10-03-2005, 01:47 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....

What's better than LN2?
10-03-2005, 01:52 PM
cadaveca

Hey guys..my first 7800GTX clocked better at stock than most reviewer's cards, so even cherry-picking for reviewers does not happen. i mean really..they'd have to test every card...
average overclocks for me have always been around 10% for cards..MSI kinda made this as a rule with thier cards, and lots of companies seem to follow suit.

I bought a few x850xtpe cards, and each clocked better or the same as what reviewer's posted on sites for the same cards, so regardless of some little "handpicking", there is no real thing as cherry-picked. Quite frankly, i'm sure that ANY card is about the same for overclocking, had the solder joints and placement of SMD's everywhere been all the same.

You can be sure that Macci got a handpicked card...but i don't think it would be a "top-clocker" in the sense most are thinking...i'm pretty sure the design team for the card got those.

Sampsa, although no money exchanged hands, getting your hands on hardware before release, nevermind for free, is worth far more than anyone can pay me. Any true overclocker would say the same, and you know it. Money is not the point...it's the favortism afforded by such luxuries.

I am probably one of the biggest ATI fanboys there is, but yet, i have 2 nVidia cards in my system becaseu they are the fastest thing i can buy, because i'm an overclocker first....meanwhile you got faster for free. No matter how hard you try, you cannot downplay ANY of that to ANY of US. I love seeing your results, as i do Macci's, but as it has already been said, because you don't pay...we don't care if you play. At least i don't.

Don't take that the wrong way tho, because i'd LOVE to be in your shoes. It's actually good to see your hard work pay off for you, and more importantly, ATI recognizing it. :toast:
10-03-2005, 01:54 PM
GoriLLakoS

Quote:

What's better than LN2?

Liquid Helium....:p...but i didnt mean this...

By Gray Skull ayt page 6 of this thread....

Quote:

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.
10-03-2005, 01:57 PM
metro.cl

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.

Waiting for results...

whats better than ln2 y believe is helium but is way to expensive and complicated to use (i believe helium is down at 250-260ºC ln2 is about 175ºC)
10-03-2005, 02:04 PM
GoriLLakoS

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.

Waiting for results...

whats better than ln2 y believe is helium but is way to expensive and complicated to use (i believe helium is down at 250-260ºC ln2 is about 175ºC)

you can't say sampsa stupid cause of the cards.... :nono:

i believe exactly the different...

if ati had cherry picked cards there....then,all the o/c people will be disapointed......so...the cards where random...and believe me.....there will be much more better scores... :cool:

Bill
10-03-2005, 02:04 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.

Sure they picked outta the cards they had onhand for each person, maybe, but because sapphire makes the cards, not ATI, there CAN'T be "cherry-picking" as is suggested...becasue ATI does not have that chance. Only Sapphire does... :fact:
10-03-2005, 02:10 PM
DCR

WHO CARES?

The retail cards are going to perform roughly the same, so...
10-03-2005, 03:18 PM
Pekkie

You guys are *EDIT*, do you believe those charts???
They have no proof of the real score yet.
I don't understand why you are so trusting the fake details.

One way I'll believe that if any body crop the screen that shows 3Dmark 0X information, show the card series, show the real score.

Just telling that R520 is faster than 7800GTX, just post it's core and memory, but why can't the person who test this card show the real socre????

Why they have to put ???? instead of the score.

If anybody believe them, you are *EDIT*

EDITed by IFMU
Consider this a warning, what you posted was a flame, do not do it again.

IFMU
10-03-2005, 03:30 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pekkie

You guys are *EDIT*, do you believe those charts???
They have no proof of the real score yet.
I don't understand why you are so trusting the fake details.

One way I'll believe that if any body crop the screen that shows 3Dmark 0X information, show the card series, show the real score.

Just telling that R520 is faster than 7800GTX, just post it's core and memory, but why can't the person who test this card show the real socre????

Why they have to put ???? instead of the score.

If anybody believe them, you are *EDIT*

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?
10-03-2005, 03:35 PM
GAR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuperman

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :p:
10-03-2005, 03:35 PM
trakslacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuperman

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

lol, but agreed. pekkie, you seem a but stressed out, man. Have a beer or two, and just relax. :cool:
10-03-2005, 03:44 PM
Arkangyl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

Cherry picking to me means that someone rounds up a bunch of the highest speed bin parts, runs them to the limit and then selects the best one to use. This did not happen for sure. Unless someone has a different meaning for cherry picking, then the cards were not cherry picked.

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

If Macci + Sampsa did have a cherry picked card and ran it with LN2 they should be getting unmatchable overclocks...which they obviously aren't. :)

How can you cherry pick cards if there are only a handful made?

or is ATI actually planning to launch a product instead of a concept this time?
10-03-2005, 04:49 PM
speed bump

I guess we find out soon if these are for us or for the reviewers only.
10-03-2005, 05:52 PM
perkam

A. We'll find out when they come out.

B. Neither Sampsa nor Grayskull are lying, and pls refrain from making any distasteful remarks towards either of them. They just have different definitions of what "cherry-picked" means.

C. Pekkie, YGPM.

-- Ty, pls continue :) --
10-03-2005, 05:58 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

you can't say sampsa stupid cause of the cards.... :nono:

i believe exactly the different...

if ati had cherry picked cards there....then,all the o/c people will be disapointed......so...the cards where random...and believe me.....there will be much more better scores... :cool:

Bill

i didnt say anything to sampsa i said it to ati.
10-03-2005, 07:11 PM
Magnj

I'm sure the cards were the best clockers they had on hand but I doubt that they went through every freakin card and gave them the absolute best, they didnt give them duds but they were not out of the ordinary. Thats my guess. Not like it matters anyway
10-03-2005, 07:41 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuperman

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

WuAHaHAhAAhahaHaHa roflmao

Dave Orton was, I saw him :stick:
10-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Sentential

Just for clarifiaction there Greyskull, but you are suggesting that no cards were done on either:

Stock
High End Air
Water Cooling

Right?

I understand that this is a benching event and that mostly LN2 / Cascades will be used but frankly I am more interested in standard air or water based clocks.

Reason I ask is because I do plan on perhaps buying either an XL or a PRO but my motivation is going to be a cross between yeilds and leakage. There is no question that you guys have a sure-fire winner here that nVidia will probably not be able to counter.

Im just looking for the next $250-350 clock-cut-down (not pipes) Vcard to replace my X800PRO with :) (ie a Ti4200, 9800NP or 6800GT of the era). A card that will not match in ram speed but will in core speed to what an XT is capable of :)
10-03-2005, 08:08 PM
Weee

/me gets his Wallet out...
10-03-2005, 08:33 PM
Grayskull

Air cooling has definitely been tried...results are impressive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

Just for clarifiaction there Greyskull, but you are suggesting that no cards were done on either:

Stock
High End Air
Water Cooling

Right?

I understand that this is a benching event and that mostly LN2 / Cascades will be used but frankly I am more interested in standard air or water based clocks.

Reason I ask is because I do plan on perhaps buying either an XL or a PRO but my motivation is going to be a cross between yeilds and leakage. There is no question that you guys have a sure-fire winner here that nVidia will probably not be able to counter.

Im just looking for the next $250-350 clock-cut-down (not pipes) Vcard to replace my X800PRO with :) (ie a Ti4200, 9800NP or 6800GT of the era). A card that will not match in ram speed but will in core speed to what an XT is capable of :)
10-03-2005, 08:38 PM
trakslacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

Air cooling has definitely been tried...results are impressive.

And the saga continues...1 day, 9 hours, 21 minutes.

Such a tease, Grayskull. :p:
10-03-2005, 10:03 PM
zakelwe

Although not cherry picked you can be sure for a fact there would be no duffers amongst them bescause you have to at least make sure they have some headroom so that when Joe Bloggs hardware reviewer tests them at stock they do not go pop and give a bad impression.

Lets call it filtering/testing rather than cherry picking, that's probably more accurate.

The most impressive thing about these new cards is the IQ it seems, sadly of course we'll have to throw that sort of heresy out the window and get rid of all Ati's good work in that regard :D

Regards

Andy
10-03-2005, 10:58 PM
T_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnj

I'm sure the cards were the best clockers they had on hand but I doubt that they went through every freakin card and gave them the absolute best

Thats what i meant by cherry in my off-hand comment
10-04-2005, 12:10 AM
HaLDoL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

Not true...

Hmm who should I believe? Sampsa or ATi PR? Are you gonna leak emails now to prove you're right?

Since this is the ATI PR forum I would like a PR comment on this:
http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2005/10...crossfire.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=171
http://hardocp.com/ (H]ardNews 13th Edition Monday October 03, 2005 Posted by Kyle 6:19 PM (CDT))
10-04-2005, 12:27 AM
Tim

How can they Cherry pic cards if they only have like 10 working samples?! :poke: :rofl: :rotf: :wasntme:

We might have to wait till November/December to get them enmass (well sort of) so yea, although I'm excited....this all is a Fiasco for ATI...(again, just like Crossfire)
10-04-2005, 12:30 AM
Vapor

Well aren't you the comedian :rolleyes:

Got proof/evidence of anything you've said?
10-04-2005, 12:34 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibbo Overclockers UK

Hi there

The X1800 XT is gonna be seriously limited stock wise though probably until December unfortunately. There will be no X1800 XT's on launch day and probably not until end of this month, so now were gonna have to do with X1800 XL's which are in allocation but OcUK are getting frequent deliveries to cope with demand.

I believe on launch day there will be 10 units worldwide which will go out to the press and none will go to Etailors......

Expect small numbers to come through to the UK end of this month or early November and no doubt OcUK will have exclusive as we take priority in the UK and if stock is seriously limited then yes the price will be very high, but don't blame OcUK, blame ATI as OcUK is a business and were here to make money and obviously if something is rare and not available easily then more money has to be made. Its just like say a Ferrari Enzo you pay to have something that most can't afford....

P.S. Its looking doubtful that X1800 XL will be available on day of launch as well, keeping fingers crossed for end of this week at the moment.

On Wednesday we shall place cards on pre-order from Connect3D, HIS, PowerColor and Sapphire. We hope to recieve HIS and Sapphire X1800 XL 256MB stock this week and pricing is still yet to be confirmed.....

If we do recieve any X1800 XT's this month then it will probably be less than 50 units, we will no doubt be the only Etailor with stock and the price will be high until allocation problems go away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AthlonXP1800 from nV News

It look like Overclockers UK and other etailers will have no stocks of X1300, X1600 and X1800 cards by 5th October so they will be only available to pre-order, ATI probably will shipping as few as 20 X1800XTs to OEM worldwide on Wednesday. When Overclockers and other etailers will have stocks of X1800XTs, they will charge it at high prices of £580/$1017 for the next 3 months.

Enough "proof" for you or shall I continue? That is what makes R520 vaporware and even if it's gonna be fast, it's hilarious how ATI still can do this stuff...

Edit: Ow, btw...did you see that lovely EU pricetag? £580/$1017 for the next 3 months.

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