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I can't see how anyone could use the stock cooler that came in the retail box to oc very much. It is sure a cheap thing. Even after a few days at 1.4v under load it runs 42c with pretty good air.
I see your board will run 400, have you dropped the x and tried that route?
PRTeamJapan was specifically talking about this Opteron.....so does anyone have actual figures of performance impact? I know that CPC to 2T loses roughly 2-3% in performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by groovetek
i should try that, just in case something is hating on the 9x multi for some reason. 400x8 = 3200mhz, more than enough headroomQuote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
3% will make or break a record... Last I checked, xtremesystems was about pushing your hardware to the limits, not setteling with mediocrity because it's fast enough for daily useage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Yeah, I changed my avatar! The other one was ghey but I'm lazy :p: I look 200% more professional with an expensive thermometer in my avatar :D
Oh noes his ram didn't break a record when his intent was solely to test an Opteron processor for compatability with BH-5.... can we get back to overclocking?
I just got my opty 146 from vandi this morning...omg the ride there was CRAZY traffic but WELL worth it I only have pics of the chip right now and it's going in the machine soon! will have some results later tonight. anyways here is the teaser for you guys
It's not going into the shuttle:nono: i dont think it can handle 300+HTT so its going in a spare neo4 plat/nonsli using my gskill LE :cool:
oh yea it's the magic stepping of CABNE 0530 APMW
http://www.supload.com/thumbs/default/opteron146.jpghttp://www.supload.com/thumbs/default/opteron146-1.jpghttp://www.supload.com/thumbs/default/opteron146-2.jpg
TeamJapan already said it works fine. They DID say that a higher preamble is needed. Thats what needs testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
Hopefully USPS does their job and I get my CPU tomorrow. I'll find out how well BH5 actually works on them and show you guys a neekid 146 :banana:
be sure to keep us update asianguy80 on ur results :D
AFI take it easy man......I'm sure these issues will be ironed out.......DFI will need to optimise the bios a bit too I'm sure
I'm not trying to be a jerk but team japan said that you need to run a higher preamble to reach max stable clocks on bh5 with an opteron. Is it to much to ask for someone with an opteron and BH5 to to test it out?
^^^^^^^I'd like to know what he's asking ^^^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Crank the bugger up and lets see what it will do. How high will a neo go?Quote:
Originally Posted by asianguy80
i tried 6.0ns.. no boot :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Can I make it any easier to understand?
TEAM JAPAN TESTED AN OPTERON WITH BH5. THEY SAID THAT BH5 REQUIRES A HIGHER PREAMBLE TIME TO REACH MAX STABLE CLOCK SPEEDS THAN IT DOES ON A DESKTOP A64. It would be nice if someone could prove/disprove this statement by testing it. If you have BH5 and an opteron I'm sure you've maxed the BH5s clocks using a desktop A64 chip. It would take all of 5 minutes to boot your max clocks with the tightest preamble you had before and see if it works.
Thank you ozzi, thats all I wanted to know :)
with BH5?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Nope, I think a guy with a 146 is going to do it tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
holy crap man tone it down a bit, i'm just as eager to see as you, just hold the friggin fone a second
you may be interested in that, but i got 4400LCs and the rumor is that certain brainpowers don't work right withum, but i'm just going to take it easy until these things are widely available
yes. i'll try again just to verify :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
the one problem, i need a lot more voltage to oc my bh-5 with this board. on the dfi nf3, 275mhz was doable with 3.5v, now i need 3.67v for 273mhz :confused: :stick:
either way, i'll be back in a bit with a second word to make sure i didn't do something stupid the first time
NF3=single channel NF4-dual channel ;)
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
His previous OC was done in single channel while his new setup is dual channel. Running in DC will require higher voltage to achieve the same clocks.
almost correct. i did not forsee switching to s939, thus one of my two bh-5 sticks is still at home in my parents computer. both results are single channelQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
with 3.26v and 260mhz in the yellow slot to give a few errors per memtest #5 pass, but not a lot. not the most scientific way, i tested each two times
sorry about that, i lied. won't boot with 7.0ns.. though it seems that 6 isn't exactly reliable :stick:Code:Preamble Test 1 Test2
4.0ns = 48 errors 76 errors
4.5ns = 55 errors 71 errors
5.0ns = 54 errors 69 errors
5.5ns = 33 errors 35 errors
6.0ns = 54 errors 81 errors - tried a third time, memtest crashed
6.5ns = 44 errors 77 errors
7.0ns = no boot no boot
either way though, seems like 5.5ns is the best in this case
Lower works better? Ok I'm really confused now.
BTW use orange slots for BH5 :)
trying. this board is somewhat new to me :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
also, the defintion of read preamble..
check page 172:Quote:
The Read Preamble time is a function of the asynchronous round trip loop latency, the clock
frequency, DIMM type and process type. These settings are initial recommendations only. They can
be adjusted to compensate for signal integrity issues, bus length mismatches, or any other empirical
data that proves that other settings are more reliable.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/26094.PDF
there's a nice chart. 133mhz = 7.0ns, 166mhz = 6.0ns, 200mhz = 5.0ns. seems to be 1000ns / mhz = read preamble, thus as you scale up the mhz a lower value SHOULD be optimal, but for some reason, other people find the opposite
edit2: the orange slot will have to wait, i've gotta test out the 8x cpu multi first ;)
interesting... I hope I can test this tomorrow :)
Waiting :rolleyes:
Any signs of dual core Opteron results somewhere??
no noticable difference. back to ram testing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
my question as well........still looking to find a Dual Core OC results somewhere.....even PRTeamJapan has no results :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
If the dual core operton are like the single, they will run HOT. I had a x2 3800 and when running prime it would hit close to 60c with very good air. This 144 at 1.4 runs as hot as my 3700sd at 1.6.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
One or two instances running (last graph)?Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
It was a 3800 toledo and ran hot running one and about 60c running two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Anybody wanna try overclocking the 175?
http://www.onsale.com/onsale/shop/de...d=BWBPRICEGRAB
It says call them for stock info, but I got no time for this. Somebody do it for me lol. g2g bye.
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with orange slots, same settings as last time.. kinda curious results. i found that a small number of errors normally occured on the first pass, so i recorded the first and second pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
seems that 7.0ns wins in the orange slots. 261mhz acted reaaalll strange though, random dumps in memtest and suchCode:4.0ns = no memtest
4.5ns = 0 + 73
5.0ns = 2 + 78
5.5ns = 4 + 72
6.0ns = 2 + crash
6.5ns = 10 + 118
7.0ns = 0 + 0
7.5ns = no post
currently oc'ing the opteron with the single sided stick of bh-5, just to see if the ram had any impact in the clocks.
Just slapped my 2gig set of Patriot Infineon in. No time to tweak. I'll try tommorow. Hoping to go with a 3:4 divider and bring up the memory closer to its potential and get 32M stable.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6...x934div1lx.png
First of all let me explain what mobo/ram i used and what i've done
Specs:
MSI K8N Neo4 Plat/NonSLI
2x512mb G.Skill LE
I was hoping to hit a good HTT with the 10x multi but i couldn't. The voltage options on this mobo aren't that great. If I tried doing 1.4 + 20% (1.680v) the system hard locked and I had to reset the CMOS. The max volt's it would take was 1.4 + 16.6% (1.632v) but in CPUID it reports it as hovering 1.552. Very odd. I don't have a64 tweaker so i can't do a more complex SS. I used ClockGen to OC it by 1mhz increments until superpi crashed or error'd. Temp's were hovering in the 50c's. Least to say I'm not too happy with the results of OC'ing BUT I'm sure that it's the mobo. I see that everyone here is using DFI for OC'ing and they are right for doing so. those mobo's seem to be more stable then my neo4 :slapass:
The following 2 SS's are the max where superpi didn't fail.
This is with the 9x multi at the MAX FSB that I could do without superpi crashing or windows BSOD'ing or the comp just restarting. I used a 180mhz divider on the RAM.
http://www.supload.com/thumbs/default/maxstable.jpg
The max I could do on the 10x multi was 280 1:1 where superpi finished calculations. I didn't use any dividers with this but i'll go back and try it again maybe with a 133 divider and see what happens.
http://www.supload.com/thumbs/default/maxstable2.jpg
If you guys have any suggestions on what I should do to get a more stable OC then please let me know. Any questions feel free to ask and I'll check back here in about 30 minutes. I'm going to go test out more config's.
i reckon you should start OCing from lower volts up rather than max down because heat may be killing your OCs
I started the cpu @ 250 stock volts 1:1 and it did fine. I guess I'll have to burn in the cpu slowly then (?)
what cooling are you using because those 52C/54C idle temps are criminal man!!!!!!
50s idle?! Damn man, put some cooling on her!
yea 50's were too high. I am using an xp90 w/ 92mm panaflo u1a
well I dropped it to stock volts and slowly worked my way up from 250 in clockgen up to 280 before superpi failed. i then went back into the bios and set it at 280 to boot and superpi'd again and ran prime95 at the same time and tried upping it 1mhz at a time and it failed at loop12 on 281HTT this is all 1:1 here is a screen
http://www.supload.com/thumbs/defaul...tablestock.jpg
FX Speed's :woot: with temps @ 35C this time:cool: high volts were kiling my OC :slap:
edit: i'm gonna go take a shower and let it prime a while then try some more. maybe i'll have some luck afterwards
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Originally Posted by asianguy80
:slap: :woot: another monster :toast: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Re your 3800 X2 :Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
What cooling ("good air" ????) and how high was it clocked to be hitting 60c running 2 instances of prime ??, large or small FFT's ???
The reason I ask is, as per my sig, @ 2.8GHz the most I have been able to heat it up is 48~50c using prime large FFT's
Is yours a cd? I was at 2.8. Read post in this thread for cooling. It's gone down the road, now playing with 144.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
High Vcore does not equal high HTT. I think 1.52v is going to be about the top average. I can believe you were in the 50's at 1.68, surprised it didn't die on you. I was mid 40's when I first put it in at 1.5v. I sure hope the 146's do as well as the 144's. It would be nice to run 1:1 on memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianguy80
Good job, keep posting results.
Team Japan:
S939 Opteron seems has an excellent tolerance at CPU rated voltage.
On the other hand, I found that any higher Vcore would hardly any help to get higher clockspeed
I have some Adata Hynix and Twinmos CH-UTT and BH-UTT. I might get to them at some point, but since these CPUs are going to find homes in gaming rigs eventually, I'm curious whether the memory controllers can handle 2gigs and hope any OC penalty is small. Seems like only the FX CPUs fly with 2x1gig sticks running flat out. In real world gaming I'm sure 2gig > max overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
I'm waiting on the DFI NF4 "Expert" edition and DFI take on the Crossfire mobo. Those may be weeks away so you might have to bite the bullet and get a Ultra-D in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
I just hope the 146 clocks as well as my 144. Really looking forward to seeing the before and after temps of Afireinside's Opty after the IHS is removed. My shaky hands and spastic colon won't allow me to consider doing the same. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
What do you think about this? Says shipping next week.
http://www.tankguys.biz/lanparty-cfdr-p-1404.html
Nice find. I've been looking for NCIX to list it as a pre-order. Tank Guys don't have a lot of reviews on Resellerratings but all of the are positive. Tempted to place my pre-order now even though DFI versions of new chipsets have always come to market much later than their rivals. I'd be surprised if they actually ship first week of October. Even if it ships on time ... can you wait that long for a mobo?
Edit: Looks like NCIX has it for pre-order as well. $217.37 with free copy of Bet On Soldier - Blood Sport PC DVD-ROM *AMD Promo* for FREE (a $52 value)
Your right, just ordered a ultra-d from ne.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Wait a second, I can get a DFI nF4 SLI Infinity for the same money. The reviews I read say they oc pretty good. What do you think?
Nvidia has made the Chipset on the Ultra-D harder to mod to SLI by puttin enamel over the points that need to be connected, although it can still be done according to what I've read. I've also heard some claim the SLI version gets cherry Nvidia chipset that'll clock higher. My SLI mobo has actually seen higher HTT than my Ultra-D - 370 vs.344 IIRC) so maybe there is something to that rumor.
Hm, would be very interesting to know at which temps the coldbug kicks in for these - are they as good as the FX's (read: can run dry-ice temps with a good container (chilly1 or mousepot)) or not (read: experience coldbug at less-than-dry-ice temps, just like several members have had with 4000+ San Diegos). If the first, I'm in for one at all costs:cool:
No OC penalty going 2x1gig with my Patriot Infineon set. Not going to set anything but the major timings for now. I'll try to see if I can get it below 25 minutes with tweaks later. This CPU is going straight into my gaming rig as soon as testing has completed. Crucial Ballsitix at 300 (334 - 9:10 divider) might be ideal with this CPU.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2...4div32m3yt.png
OT but those timings for your 2GB kit seem really good @ 250 :clap:
wanna sell em :D
I think my Infineons at 265 (same timings) are second only to Gaspar's Infineons, but he runs CAS 3. Paid $200 from Outpost so they we're a steal. Sell them? Lol.
Dang. Now I really want the Crucials because they'll hit the sweet spot on this CPU.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
do you think I damaged the chip by stupidly going so high on the vcore. I honestly don't know WTF I was thinking ATM. :slap: :slapass: :slap:
A lot depends on how long it was left running at such high Vcore and if it overheatedQuote:
Originally Posted by asianguy80
Your best way to check is to set HTT and Vcore to default and see if it still works OK and then see if your chip will still OC to say ~ 2.4Gig @ default Vcore (which it should on most good chips)
Ultra-D>infinity
Stupid USPS being slow as usual, no CPU till tomorrow (and if it's not here tomorrow I'll slaughter kittens)
I wish I could have gotten it somewhere other than from vandi because this wait is horrible :(
As soon as Jason, Harley, and I get ours...Quote:
Hm, would be very interesting to know at which temps the coldbug kicks in for these - are they as good as the FX's (read: can run dry-ice temps with a good container (chilly1 or mousepot)) or not (read: experience coldbug at less-than-dry-ice temps, just like several members have had with 4000+ San Diegos). If the first, I'm in for one at all costs
It didn't post and i had to reset the cmos. but I have it running now at 280 1:1 at stock volts 1.4. in cpuz it shows as 1.388Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
I think Vandi is the only one here who can get his hands on 939 opty's the fastest.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
I mean like an actual store having it so I could have it shipped 2 day and not this USPS crap from vandi from AMD...
I thought Vandi was shipping everthing 2-day USPS. Maybe thats just here in California. The wait is horrible in New Jersey I'm sure. ;)
i get what your saying. i'm used to waiting patiently for stuff when i buy other stuff and when i'm all excited about it the wait is killer
Priority takes 2 days from everywhere BUT cali it seems...
Had to "cheat" a little by bumping the clock a bit as well as tightening timings to get the Infineons under 25 minutes on 32M SuperPi.
http://tinypic.com/e5mxz9.png
At this clock speed 2x1gig doesn't seem like more than the memory controller can handle. Maybe at higher clocks the load on the controller will start to inhibit the OC (where 2x512 wouldn't) but it looks good at 3ghz. The Winchester in my sig would problems doing the same thing. I'd have to throw bigger dividers and knock down the bandwidth to maintain high clocks, which of couse is not ideal. The OC kings should stick to their FX-57s and leave the Opties to us cheap bastard gamers so we can get the most out of the expensive 2gig sets we're forced to buy for more and more games. ;)
Would love to see someone run their Crucial 2gig set at 300 1:1 to really give the Opties a test.
The best part of this for me is I have a CPU that looks like it'll clock high enough to not bottleneck the SLI 7800GT rig I'm building. Cheap Bastard gamers might look for this deal to come around again.
LOL, I got my 146 today and don't have a good mb to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
How do i get hold of this Vandi guy?
He's a member named Vandi423, you can PM him
These chips look awesome so far, anyone know where you can find them in Canada?
DFI does not and will not support Opteron CPUs......just great :rolleyes:
post by andgrygames
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...3&postcount=18
actual thread
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...331#post240331
well that's disappointing .......very very disappointing :mad:
EVERYONE is using DFI NF4 lmfao try reading the threads...
DFI doesn't "support" DTR CPUs as well but my 3000+ DTR flys along fine at 2.95ghz under ice water on my DFI NF3...
I sure am glad I didn't read this before I clocked my 144 at 9x334. I'm not sure what your talking about. I used several bios and never had any problems with any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
As long as my dfi will work, I don't care what dfi said.
AF, I live in Ga. I guess stuff does roll down hill faster. LOL
Hey dogsx2,
when do u think this thread is going to be made,
'The Official Opteron Overclocking Thread'?
Hehhee, its sure starting to look like it!
Oh just a side note, is their any particular reason you are RMAing your Opty? Is it faulty, I saw a post where u mention tht it is only running in single channel? Could you tell me who the seller on eBay was? You can RMA the processor through AMD :).
Your nic is '2dogs' over at dfi-street.com
there is not official support....so if you have a problem down the line you'll get the big woop.........I'll still be using these Opterons of course as they clearly work in DFI but it would be good if they were further optimised.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Took two days for me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Just air and water tonight LN2 tomorrow. :)
This is a DFI NF4, mushkin redline 4000+ and a XP-120
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/1808/opty6iw.jpg
whoa anther good one
is it the same stepping as the others or?
maybe it's time for an asus? :toast: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Already told you that I hate you harley ;)
Nice clocks... I got 27.4s on my diego at same speed but 273mhz 2*256 bh5. Interlacing+gig must make a big difference.
Not rma the 144, rma the mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
i'm sick of changing motherboards....so i'll stay put until Socket M2....I had Asus A8N SLI Deluxe, DFI NF4 UltraD, Abit AN8 Ultra and now this SLI-D....i think my wavemaster gave me official notice it no longer wants to be messed with :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Well havta make the timings a little sloppy still gettin used to the chip. Also am on win2k and by all means not optimized lolQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Well damn I must suck at pi... I was running 273*11 2-2-2-5-7 2*256 BH5 tight timings fresh win xp pro sp2 install diagnostics mode max mem 104 ricky tweak real time explorer closed :stick:
I'm confused about the DFI/AMD stuff.
I thought AMD's idea here was to make AMD workstations cheaper by removing the need for Registered ECC memory. Therefore creating a workstation market/low end server market for these chips.
Do the 939s work in 940 boards? Where are the 939's suppose to OFFICIALLY go? Are there 939 server boards as opposed to desktop boards? I did not know this.
I was going to wait to try the 146 that came today( thanks Vandi) until my new board came Monday to fill in for this rma board. However, after looking at it for one and a half hours, I gave in. I won't post any ss as I only have single channel.
The long and short of it is it will do 300x10 but at 1.52v. I wouldn't trade my 144 for it(9x334@1.4). Even Team Japan showed less volts with the 144 vs the 146. If I didn't have the 144, I would think the 146 was great. On high air or water I think this stepping of the 144 will most likely do as well as the 146. Who knows what the next stepping will bring.
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Thanks. Now scrambling to interpret your 1m and Sandra numbers at that clock. :D 1:1 is so damn sexy!Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
whoa MM crucial 2GB at DDR600.......i never thought i'd see this :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: have you been able to run them with other CPUs as well at that speed or are we seeing an Opteron memory controller in awesome action...in any case this is remarkable stuff
i have reason to believe that the memory controller on these opterons are pretty good. i have a stick of ballistix that used to top out at like 250mhz with 2.5-2-2. now with a board that my bh-5 is clocking worse on, the ballistix gained 7mhz :stick:
Don't they have a Fry's where you live? Just grab an Ultra-D and hang on to your receipt.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
No reason the 146 should clock better than the 144. Just luck of the draw as usual. Hard to justify the extra expense just to get the flex of a 10 multi, but still a good deal.
Barely scratched the surface of what the 939 Opterons will do but I think this thread need a FAQ and an OC summary in post one if you want to go for stickification. :stick:
agree :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
or a new thread w/ the faq, and strict rules on posts limited to results w/ screens only(total machine specs would be nice too)
We need an XS member with a a lot of time, too much energy and an anal retentive personality to police the new thread. So we only have half the XS membership who really qualify as candidates for owner/operator of the proposed thread. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by VulgarHandle
Oh yes, we also need 939 in the title because I think the threads were overlooked by a lot of members who were wondering who the kooks were who were playing with server CPUs.
i fail on the anal rententive personality bit :( :p:
My spastic colon disqualifies me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
and change this thread to the "Official Opteron 939 Discussion Thread"
or just crank up your AirCon like the Japs did hehehehehQuote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
feels awefully similar in summer to I place i know heheheh....gets stupid in Sydney as well so i know what you mean.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
cover the windows, blanket the walls, and close off vents to un-used rooms(or if all rooms are used, make a sacrifce or 2)
hahahahaha
ahh screw it, pop off the vent, slide that mobo in :D
what's the best ram to use for these optys?
My contribution
144 CABNE 0530APMW on MSI Neo4 Plat SLI
Avg cooling, slow mem speed and timings. Not bad for first hour out the box.
http://home.comcast.net/~aicjofs/144.jpg
have you tested that board for max HTT.......just in case it was holding you back for higher OC
try 32M run as well there....looking very good once again congrats :toast: