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We understand the curiosity and know you are all sharp guys here at XS. That's why we annonce things here first and you always treat us well.
Thanks for the nice words on our support. We tray harder and truly care that you all are happy.
I think I'll go have a good emotional cry now. (sob) ;)
You could always cancel it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
See, i love the way you guys think!
Thanks ocz for the release info. I was going to buy another brand 2gb kit but it is nice to see you guys here and so available. So I bought this kit. :clap: Now I just have to wait for my motherboard to get here to the states from europe.
I'm still happy with my old OCZ BH-5. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
well, seems I have some sticks being sent to me. I will be sure to post up results as soon as I get them and and get some testing done. Will be real interesting to see just how far and tight they will go. Also interested to see what command rate will do with my tcc5/1t hating Venice and what drive strength values are best.
Any UK resellers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Is here anybody who knows a Online Shop in US / UK which sends to European Countries like Germany? Thank you!
Ah yes that would have been me :). We are very happy with the latest batch of BE-5 that Infineon has released lately. We have been reproducing numbers like the ones posted here for a couple weeks now. :) Only reason why havent made such a fuss about it is that the yeilds at this speed are unstable. We've seen em come and go, and I dont think they will hold for too long at the 250 mark. But hey, maybe Infineon changed something on the dies, but I say for sure either way. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
We initially thought it might have been Micron like alot of people thought here did, but our suppliers informed us unfortunaly Micron still wont release its grip on the 4Y -5BD chips. So there really is no hope of seeing anyone use a Ballistix based part as DDR1's twilight is upon us :)
I must say tho... 282 is quite impressive. Most of the BE-5 or any 2GB packs Ive seen do around 260-275 max. 282 is most definatly a new record I bet.
Any word when newegg will stock these?
Sentential, so you're saying that these are either cherries, a great new die revision, or something else entirely....how about CE-6? ;)
Most likely based on the numbers we have, it is probably *highly* binned chips of either CE-5 or BE-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Ive personally seen some of the chips we have tested go as high as 275 and up. I really doubt they are using a new chip as there isnt much to pull from :)
Well I shouldnt say that it isnt a new chip because I cannot prove such. Plus there *are* some interesting new 64x8 chips going on the market that we are investigating. :)
I wouldnt be so harsh now, your statement is not entirely fair. We have been using production level chips similar to these for a very long time now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
EDIT: Come to think of it... it might even be CE-6 (the PC2700 part) as Im being told the yeilds are *quite* strong atm.
We appreciate Senential's interest and "educated" guesswork here. Unfortunately he has no direct knowledge of OCZ products and would not have the answers to such questions. He is a Mushkin rep as you can tell by the banner as in his sig. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Thanks
I think you would have been better off saying nothing Andy ;)
Even if yours isn't CE-6...it certainly COULD be as CE-6 can do these numbers and isn't very expensive.
EDIT: and if CE-6 can do it for cheap, competitors can use it and get similar performance numbers at similar price, even if they have to spend more money than you binning.
I have to say SOMETHING, now don't I? hehe :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
It's kinda like HP denying anything Inq claims in their memos. Whenever they do that, bam! they announce the very same thing two weeks later.
We know what to think now ;)
Remember how hard you were saying that VX has nothing whatsoever to do with Winbond? Though if you're silent, you can keep us guessing.
I'm only speculating at this point of course, I'm not in the market for actual memory so I couldn't give a rat's ass whichever way...
we never said they were not winbond....we just needed to grab a ton of IC's so needed a weeks break or so over everyone else.
Let's move on from the IC guessing game and see some more screen shots ! lol
I can quote Andy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Also good! I say, what's the max clock you can get at 3.6vdimm? :hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
I'll be placing my order today, within the hour
We are here and watching this thread to answer your questions as much as we are able to and help anyone that asks for it.
Thanks
Great!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Keep us informed.
Thanks
Im thinking theyre Infineon chips too, though which ones who knows. Bottom line is if they do the rated OCZ specs then who cares right. But if I had to bet Id say CE-6
I read on the INQ that Infineon has upgraded their fabs to 60nm.
I should have checked the thread closer, could have gotten my order in this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Oh well, order placed just now and splurged for the overnight shipping.
Will post back with results but probably won't get them till Monday.
Thanks for the tip Tony!
I love OCZ and just replaced my 3700eb with ballastix before I go off and sell what I have now and jump back to OCZ are there any comparisons between the two??
also 282 is great but Ballastix has hit 300mhz and are these hand picked ones??
i doubt it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by iboomalot
these timings curiously remind me of pass EB series timings where they favor the middle two numbers. The price is very similar to Ballistix kits too. :)
How about 3-3-3-8? Do they gain any MHz past 282?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Contacted few German and UK online stores and they should have these available in 7-14 days.
Oh? Do tell this is news to meQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
I don't know, it's INQ, so you should consider it with a healthy dose of skepticism. But here's the article. Oh, my bad, I should have said "upgrading". Well, whatever..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Anyone get thiers yet? I ordered it from Atacom and it's already been sent but only paid for 3 day del. but I know some others here had to get it with one day delivery. Just curious how you like it and an screen shots :D
Mine should be here thursday
mine comes in tomorrow. will post results.
I'd have to agree with you :) Especially nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaspar
So I was right from the beginning, eh? ;)
Should we be expecting any more info from Mushkin soon, Sentential?
So now Mushkin says what chips are on OCZ memory? hmmm ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
You dare question the Mushkin? :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
I'm wondering whether you know if other retailers will start stocking this new OCZ part soon (next 2 weeks or so).
Also, about the development of new IC's, who does the work? Is it manufacturers like Winbond/Micron/Infineon or is it companies like OCZ/Mushkin/Crucial?
Some memory vendors design and manufacture their own IC's, for example - crucial(a division of Micron, really) and TwinMOS. Most others though; only make PCB, if even that...Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaink
Mine arrived this morning from ATACOM but so did an emergency programming project...
Hopefully I can post some results tomorrow (although I doubt I have the mad OC skillz necessary to push these).
I hate it when work interferes with my playtime... :D
Hey all you lucky son of a gun's out there...
Willing to test how high people can get 2.5-3-2-x or even 2.5-2-2-x?
Hey guys what DFI BIOS are you running these with? I should be getting mine tomorrow, my G Skill's didnt even run 3-4-4-8 at 200 FSB so I sent them back, bad batch I guess.
Looking forward to my first OCZ product!
BIOS: 623 here from the DFI website.
I just fixed an issue with another review I was working on, I havent had a chance to try lower speeds, tighter timings yet...
Dean
I tested 2.5-3-2-x.....they did 255 I believe...the results are in this thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
All my ram runs 704-2BT bios now.....best so far IMHO for the board :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trice
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
2-3-2-6 @ DDR414 2.6v
2.5-3-2-6 @ DDR440 2.6v
2.5-3-2-6 @ DDR500 2.6v
these aren't maxes but just a quick test to show they are scalable.
Dean
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
2.6v?? Try 2.7-2.8v Dean.
Actually that sounds pretty decent for low volts.
Guys,
Those results are sweet. Whilst it 'seems' that this new OCZ kit can't quite match the newer batch of Crucial Ballistix Tracers for raw frequency, it seems that they can do better at tighter timings.
For me the clincher to go for OCZ is the total customer support you guys provide, especially since I'm in OZ, RMA'ing or sending back to US etc for crucial is a pain.
Just remember to keep prices competitive with the Crucial mob. If I can get em for AUD 550-600 I'm totally sold.
corsair xms4400pro and xms3500llpro use infineon ce-5 (or so what they told me). could be ce-6 but i couldnt really take off those big heatspreaders without destroying it. im a bit clumsy. from the recent testing i've done, they dont provide results like these plat 4000eb. so infineon should be out of the question. it reaches similar overclock but is far from stable.
micron is too expensive. uccc is too expensive too. it also wouldnt make much sense when their gold 4000 is uccc.
my sample should be here tomorrow. then i will find out what these suckers use. sorry that im going to report it tony. it'll be mentioned in my review anyway. that is if i can find out what they are. just please tell me they dont come with 4 dots on the IC... that would be a PITA to find out
6-2-3-2.5 ddr496 2.7v max for my set
You guys will probably need cas3 to shoot over ddr500, I do ddr500 here with 3-3-2 5 timings at 2.6v easy
Any particular reason no body has tried these at 3-3-3-8 above 280mhz? Do they just have a wall at 280 or something?
right, but just answering some people who were curious how high we could go @ 2.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
muhahaha - cas 2.5-3-2-6 DDR500 last night ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
2 x 1GB seem to be a huge load on the memory controllers. We've seen some consistent issues with certain cores so far and I've moved back to my venice for further investigation.
Dean
Just posting places that have it in stock:
Monarch Computer: ($332.00)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...gory_Code=NA_2
ATAcom (307.95):
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_..._BG_V8&USER_ID
as soon as I find some more, I will post them (especially overseas dealers)..
Is there a good reason why this is cheaper than the Gold 2x 1GB?
some will run a lot higher than 280 and get a pi run and sandra, the issue is they run games etc a little lower than the pi and sandra max, this is due to controller load.
So instead of showing max screenies with no games i asked all testers to show benchable games max so you all get a realistic view of the dimms perform.
Hey Tony what DFI BIOS do you recommend for these sticks? I should have mine today :)
either 623-2bta or 704-2bta
Of course you pick YOUR BIOSs! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Never heard of 623-2BTA...any good?
Just got mine in
Can I get some info on the default timings at 250htt? Such as trfc, trp, tref, etc etc
Orange or yellow slot?
Thanks Tony are these posted on XS of the DFI forum?
Im using orange. Using all auto settings but had to force tras to 8, defaulted to 7. Im able to use cas 2.5 @ 250 through about 255 using 2.6v dimmQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
What core CPU do you have? I have found with my SD I max at 260mhz, my Venice maxes at 267 Mhz - those are GAME STABLE THOUGH. I can run the memory upwards of 280 Mhz, memtest and Super PI stable however. These sticks are not game stable as far as they test stable due to memory controller issues with certain cores.
Venice core, so are all of your settings @ auto?
yes but that gets me tras of 7, however these modules are plug and play - just set all to auto and go if you want to. No need to change timings unless you really want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
ok just got a little surprise from the Fed EX man today. I just wanted to post up my quick maxes.
So far I am at 280 3-3-2-7-1t 2.7v passing super pi 1m and memtest test #5.
3dMark05 passes at 270 3-3-2-7-1t 2.7v
I haven't tweaked setting or anything just yet. I am just using whatever was set after cmos reset when throwing these babies in. My wife is calling me for dinner but i'll get some more time testing these tonight. Will try different timings and volts then.
Plug and play including with overclocking? that's great heheQuote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Will be posting results! Going to flash to 623-2BTA right now
LikwidKool....lower your TRC man! It should be Trp + Tras....
Should speed things up a bit....lower your Trfc as well. In fact, your alpha timings are all really loose--Auto I'm guessing?
Good to see 280 1M stable so far, CE-6 seems to be quite good when binned ;)
I thought a trc of 12 was good;)
oh yeah. I need to tighten up a lot on some settings. I only changed cas,trcd,trp,tras, and command rate. I just wanted to post up some quick numbers at what set after a cmos reset.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LikwidKool
Hey, try 3d benching, ie 3dmark, or gaming. I can do 280 @ 2.6 in memtest and Super PI 32 - but cannot benchmark in 3d higher than 260 with a San Diego and 267 mhz with a venice.
Also lemme know if you have problems once you tighten things up.
Dean
What you guys could really try is "Memtest for Windows" and do at least 500% error-free with Task Manager window open (to see how much mem it tests). It should test all available memory or at least 1.5GB... Would you guys like to give it a go?
2gB
:woot:
;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Hehe... I just go along the same lines as Tony... He wants not only Sandra or Pi but some real stability tests. SPi32 is good, but we're talking 2GB now ;)
Just like eva2000 did in his report on Ballistix - P95 with 1.6GB allocated. That's some stress :D
VERY nice Charlie....can't wait for some A64 action.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
BTW, I think I know what those are ;)
Ugh I think my pair is bad... I get errors in test 2 of memtest, but if I up the trp to 3 it is fine... GREAT!!
I think I need a new CPU my Newcastle doesnt mesh too much with 2GB I dont think......
What is the CPU to get with 2GB?
Hey Dean. I did 3d benching at 270 3-3-2-7-1t 2.7v I am still trying to get 275. I tried tightening up and did 2.5-3-2-7 at 250, again with 2.7v. I haven't tried anything less than 2.7v but I did try 2.8v, which for me didn't help net anything higher than 280 @ 3-3-2-7, but maybe it'll help at 2.5-3-2-7.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Also it just might be my mem controller with 2gb but I can't get past 285 error free. Even at 3-3-3-7. I have yet to try 3-4-4-7 but those timings are useless.
What? Where? Who?!? Plz tell us Charlie!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Any info when these sticks come out in Europe ?
Still have not found any shop that sells them.
I think it may be a 2GB mem controller issue.. I cannot get beyond 280 either dividers or not with my G.Skill 2@1024 so.. strange huh?
Anyone compare these to the Ballistix?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
These PC4000 EB sticks are able to run DDR500 2.5-3-2-7
I have them running it now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by longshot
Unfortunately Crucial doesnt send many samples out for reviewers, I've already tried - no luck.
Well I can see the latency of this new OCZ is much lower than the Ballitix this is likely due the 3-3-2-7 timings even at 285MHz...
Netshop have them here in Norway.
Been looking for some new ram these look the part, will they be available in the UK? if so when where and how much?
Cheers :toast:
well fedex just threw the box into my garage. picked them up and lifted the heatspreaders. the ones i have are ce-6. infineon chips arent very expensive so it explains why gold pc4000 2gb with uccc is more expensive
This entire line is CE-6, which is VERY cheap compared to UCCC.....the fact that it does cost $300 is from the binning costs at OCZ.
does that mean we could find some cheaper sticks that do just as well? Or are these crazy high binned?
The more recent CE-6s have actually been doing very well all things considered--there was a part out for a short while that was CE-6 and was cheap and almost did this well, but currently this is it....I bet they'll start putting the ones that didn't make the cut into their budget lines.
Other manufacturers will also start using this IC, so who knows what we'll get.
Just to let you know, my patriots, which are BE-6, can also do DDR500 2.5-3-2-6 no problems as yet. I'm hoping to get them to 255mhz with some proper tweaking, now that i'm running a DFI board.
-Andrew
so the question is, assuming these arent uccc, which would be a better buy, these or something uccc based? given ballistix are kind of out of my price range
CE-6 is better, IMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephir0th
UCCC were used on the OCZ PC-4000 sticks (non EB), they ran very hot and liked little voltage.
Yeah Andrew posted his results in places like i4memory and Bleedinedge I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewK
Really Good stuff!
On another note: how 'hot' or cool do BE-6's / CE-6's chips run. anyone do a touch test?
Has anyone tired using lots of volts on these yet or does that just start making them error?