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Hmmm I guess my OCZ 600w powerstream doesn't have this 8 pin power connector. It has a 24 pin power ATX connector (20 pin + 4 detachable) and the standard P4 connector unless this new board is using the 20 pin standard ATX with the extra 4 pin plus the P4 4 pin together to make 8 pin. I have no cable on my psu nor have I seen a power supply with a grouped together 2 x 4 pin or single 8 pin cable. Interesting.
Strokes my OCZ520 WATT PSU ;)
I have the 600W as well and we do have the 8 pin connector - i forget OCZ's name for it but its two four pins that connect - one is labeled P4, which is what we use now on DFI NF4, and then there is a P4+, as of yet unused, but the two of those go together and voila - we have 8 pin connector :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Yeah we do P4 + P4+ is 8pin connector :) BTX connector IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
At least the one currently sold at monarch does.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
I later verified that my 2nd Powerstream (which I happened to buy from Monarch) does in fact support the 8-pin connection :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
deception``
The 8-pin power connector simply reduces the current load per wire by providing more paths for the amperage to travel along....THAT'S IT!...it does nothing to move more power into the board. It's a gimmick. As long as your PSU can supply the required wattage and the cables are made of quality wires there will be no reason to spend money to upgrade or buy something new. As you can see the pins on the header all go to the same point on the board. Power is power. Sheesh.
-FCG
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Originally Posted by freecableguy
Well said, glad you beat me to it.
so where is the board
thus reducing overall voltage drop at the connections. probably not by anything noticable, but hey, more traces on the board have to be worth something. i can't complain as my lowly 420w psu supports the 8 pin plugQuote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
All OCZ Powerstream CPUs have the 8 pin. They call it EPS12V 8 pin.
Even the old 520W OCZ has it. It's closer to the PSU along the line from the regular 4-pin connector.
what 8pin PSU would you advise me to use?
looking for dual +12V (or quad), 8 pin...
wow thanks guys for clearing that up. While reading the above posts I Felt quite stupid as I had totally forgotten about the P4+ plug as I have never used it before and quicktly tucked it away. Correct that the powerstream does have it. Good job and thanks again.
Well, the 850SSI has quad rails and an 8-pin connector.Quote:
Originally Posted by \carting_freak
the new sunbeamtech 550 has a native 8 pin. nvid sli cert and modular. swapped out my powerstream for it(thought the ocz was causing a booting issue) and getting somewhat better results, so far. got for less than $80.Quote:
Originally Posted by eliminate
very truly yours,
politenessman
3800@10x285 xp90
ultra d sli mod
2x512mb ocz gold 9/10
2x7800gt sli
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1253354
http://static.flickr.com/27/47904200_04291c83a0_o.jpg
trans
that is 430$.. never +)
The Enermax Noisetaker 701 series has 8pins as well, and comes with a 8pin-to-4pin convertor to use on older boards. It also has dual +12V rails, is SLI certified, and on the DFI A-List of PSUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by \carting_freak
brit
tnks! i'll go and find some info about it...
hehe coming from a guy who bought 2x 7800GTX for their heatsinks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
Does anyone have exact "pukka" dates for this one?? I am really eager to see how it does with OCing. With more then Six months in hand they must have tweaked and upgraded every part of it. Man no jumpers to change and have one of the best options to juice out every lil mhz... I think its very tempting...hope its out soon and with not much of price hike...so I can get into the DFI OC Club :)
If "pukka"="release" date - OCTOBER 15 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by harshal
I wish this board, had both sata controllers supporting sataII raid5, and also since this is a new release, they should have upgraded to 16 lanes pcie for each video card, and leave more space to fit the xp120 without taking up the first ram slot.
Thanks
yeah, i wish they'd just go ahead and release the 'perfect motherboard', tired of waiting on one :dammit:
14th in Australia for retailer stock....that's 13th in your neck of the woods.........i guess i'll be one of the first guinnea pigs and get it first :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
fingers crossed it works with Opteron :)
i'd really like to see some reviews b4 it hits retail......you guys know of any
why my one has not ?!? :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by BRiT
I just ordered my Noisetaker a week or so ago from NewEgg. However, it had this single page flyer update included with the manual. It reads:Quote:
Originally Posted by wai-wai
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=37804Quote:
Notification
Dearest User,
Thanks for choosing Enermax power supply, due to specification updated, we have made engineering change on 535W / 600W power supply to All in One to meet ATX 12V V2.01 / EPS 12V and BTX. Regarding text in the manual has not been updated, therefore, in this sheet we would like to clarify the output cables detail for your reference.
For below 535W / 600W models only
Noisetaker: EG701AX-VE(W)
FMA: EG65P-VE / EG565AX-VE(W) / EG565AX-VE(G)
Coolergiant: EG565AX-VH(W) / EG701AX-VH(W)
Illustrations for O/P Connectors and adaptor come in the accessory kit
I. Illustration for O/P Connectors
[diagram]
II. Illustration for Processor Power to 12V power adaptor
[diagram]
It's been like that since I got mine in July. Probably for a while before that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRiT
ATI's (crossfire) reference motherboard have in BIOS adjustable drive strenght resistor's, with those option you can forget cold bug ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
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Originally Posted by BRiT
oh my god~~~~ my one just ATX 12V V2.0 :eh:
EG701AX-VE(W)
so do you think DFI will finally fix the colt boot issue with Expert or not :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
NO CPU cold bug on them??? :shock2: :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
Dani, do you mean no cold bug or no cold boot problem? BIG difference but both are VERY appreciated!!
The first you mentioned would be especially welcome ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
"adjustable drive strenght resistor's" <--what do you think I mean??Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
..and I know difference between cold BOOT and cold BUG ;)
i thought that the cold BUG was a CPU issue....can you let us laymen know what you mean by "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" and how they prevent the cold bug from happening......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
I have a few ideas but I'd better keep them to myself so that I didn't say something stupid :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dani
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Originally Posted by Dani @ sometime yesterday
For the especially blind people (like me) once more: so does that mean, that on the upcoming Halibut ATI boards, you can put the 90nm A64 CPUs under LN2 and not to worry about cold bug anymore? :banana:Quote:
..and I know difference between cold BOOT and cold BUG ;)
I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..
If I dont remember very wrong, The Stilt tested an CPU with cold bug and it did'nt OC at all with, hmm, cascade? CO2? LN2?
Then he tested this ATI CF mobo and same thing, hard cold bug, but in BIOS he found "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" (I dont know if it writes/translates like that) and CPU OC like hell after that "found"
No cold bug :)
That's why I asked if someone know if DFI's crossfire mobo has these adjustable resisance's optios in BIOS, if they have so I think cold bug is history :fact:
have you got a link for this reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Dani
Interesting, so it was about more voltage to the mem controller in the end....
It's tough to imagine that a simple change in resistance could overcome it completely though--but I'll take whatever it's got :D
He posted it to Finnish forum for long ago and 2days ago, not an reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
this is big news DaniQuote:
Originally Posted by Dani
you should translate this sucker and post it here cause that is going to grab a lot of attention among extreme OCers
* cross fingers* if that's happening...
man...gotta get that "rockin'" first week winnie out :D
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
You guys dont know much of Hindi for sure...well it means Sure/Definite in a way.. . Lets see if Singapore gets it by then or not, as I am gonna be there on 17 and get back by 25th of this month. So keeping my hopes high for now.
Anyways thanks man. Cheers!
Hehe...OK, when's the last time you met a Chinese person that could speak Hindi.... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by harshal
I emailed DFI regarding their Expert mobo and this is the response I received.
Dear Customer
Thank you for your attention on the press release of our new DFI expert motherboard. First of all, we must say DFI has long term good relationships with both onboard RAID manufacturers; it is difficult to compare both main stream onboard RAID chipset manufacturers. Because both manufacturers provide good onboard RAID solution to end users. However if you really want us to come out with an answer, one of the main reasons we are choosing Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip on our NF4 series is because it carries what we think, a "better" onboard RAID solution for our customers. If we compare Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip with Promise Technology R20378 RAID controller, clearly you can find both controllers come with RAID 0, 1, 0+1. However Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip comes with an extra (software) RAID 5.
This value added function has its market popularity, you can find this chipset
not only used on our DFI NF4 series but also many well known motherboard
manufacturers (correlated information can be easily found by using any searching engine on the Internet). We understand there are varies reasons you can have in mind to believe Promise Technology has better onboard RAID controllers, we respect you opnions, you opnions are important to us. However our products have its missions to satisfy market's demands as well as bring the best value and quality to our customer. Use Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip on our DFI NF4 series and products in the near future is a better solution to our customers.
To find more the information about Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip, please visit
its official website: http://www.siliconimage.com
We hope to gain more understand to our customers who care about our
latest products development so much just like you by sharing our points of view and how we always insist on provide best value and quality to our dear
customers. Please write to us if there are more opinions you would like to share with us. We will be more than keep our ears wild open to listen to your valuable opnions.
I don't know if you guys/gals already knew this or not but I thought that it would be informative.
Thanks.
Very informative, though not informative enough to tell us exactly when they're gonna hit the shelves!!!! I've heard Oct 15th but I don't think that's concrete.
You're welcome. I tried to get more info from them but that's all they sent me. :( I'm sure the Ultra-d's are good but with so many people saying that they're having problems it's kinda making me rethink...... I hope the expert has fixed it's issues. Althought I would have been really happy if DFI would have use the promise chipset. I guess you can't win em' all. :banana:
Someone let us know as soon as any reviews of this board are found please :)
judging by the picture does anything think you would be able to fit a Swiftech MCX-159 on the northbridge for cooling? I have one here from my Nf2 board that I would love to use again if it would fit. A copper variant is available now as well.
Hehehe...how bout on a current DFI? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/958/swifty4su.jpg
oh :banana::banana::banana::banana:, no way! Cant use the fan I take it? I would never be able to do this as I have the ATI Silencer on card covering the chipset sink completely. The new revision seems to have more space to accomodate. How are the temps witht he 159 in comparison to the stock fan? Thanks for the picture however, very interesting.
I also see you don't have the molex plugged into the board. You find the board still runs fine this way?
Interesting, I always viewed Silicone Image as the bargain basement solution, in fact I still do, their stuff is super cheap and doesn't match up performance wise to the competition. I think it's become so wide spread though that using it allows people to migrate their RAID stripes from other Mobos with little performance problems.
The so called RAID 5 they implemented has no separate XOR engine for calculations, so that load goes on the CPU as well. In fact I bet M$ soft raid 5 is better/more easily migrated.
Anyhow, Sil RAID will never be a selling point for me, I might buy a board despite it's presence and just turn it off.
UnG
well it was rumoured that the promise variant was to be used on the new revision. There is even pictures of the board with the promise chip but at the last minute they seem to have changed this.
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
Im sure it had nothing(everything) to do with $$$
In the end I don't see how as the end user ends up paying for any inflated costs anyhow. DFI should know people are going to buy their boards regardless so what is an extra $5 if that for a different and better sata chipset?
Nope, can't use the stock fan, but I can use the fan outta my crystal orb chipset cooler. It's basically a frameless 40mm? fan and I can mount it on the swifty's side. If I had my camera with me, I'd take a pic, but I don't. Temps are MUCH better than stock. For awhile, I was thinking that this solution wasn't as good as my spire chipset cooler, but after giving the spire a go again, this one is better hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
On a side note, I'm pretty sure that the next dfi doesn't have a promise controller, or I would have heard about it through a contact @ Promise Tech
EDIT: I forgot to add, yes I run without any of the extra connectors since I'm using a single card. When the extra plugs are utilized, they end up harming performance more than helping.... ;)
I am not sure but, too bad as Expert may have been delayed by a week or two. Chief "Oskar" may want to have a final look it seems.
Hmmmm, I didn't hear about that. OPB talked to Oskar just last week and eta was still ~Oct.15....Quote:
Originally Posted by harshal
weird cause here in canada at ncix.com it is available to order now. Ships within 2 days.
NCIX is lying. I "ordered" it too. It says 2-5 days, but I think that's bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. The marketing guy said 2-3weeks.
Although this board isn't really revolutionary, it does seem like a good refresh product.
I like the wider space between the graphics card PCIe slots, because it looks like I could fit 2 graphics cards with an Arctic Cooling Silencer (or Zalman VF700) for better & quieter cooling.
Also, the placement of the northbridge looks like I could replace the chipset HSF with a Zalman NB47J, to eliminate that siren noise on bootup. Anyone know/think that putting a NB47J would still be too big to fit with graphics cards in both (upper looks potentially problematic) slots?
I wonder though abou the placement of the CPU. I know that many new cases have their exhausts, both rear and top, near the top-back of a case and I'm wondering whether the top-front placement of the CPU in this design would affect temperatures.
The 8 pin power connector could potentially be a compatibility problem for many PSUs. Can anyone confirm that Seasonic S12 600W PSUs have the 8 pin connector?
Finally, I hope they sorted out the issues which they had with the previous boards. Such as compatibility/overclocking with Corsair RAM, and the hit and miss success with Seasonic S12 power supplies. If they can achieve these things, then this board will be the benchmark until a new chipset series is released.
S12 has well the 8pin connector , but be aware about the boot trouble they have with the old nf4 design , don't know if this one has been resolved that but I hope so because I have the s12 500w .
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Originally Posted by wai-wai
That is the SAME exact board as the CF board that they are cooming oiut with same mem placment and spacing and all the only diff is the nb on them and the bios that is kinda cheap same VTT voltage regs and all...
Dragon
NCIX always skus stuff super early. I guess it is smart on their part to secure some pre orders but don't expect to get anything from them before anywhere else. Last time I pre ordered from there, it was shipped a week after several other stores had the product in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransNone13
Lol, thanks for the heads up. I'll probably cancel soon.
I wish oskar would come back to the boards. Haven't seen him in a while.
Do you think these boards will suffer from the VTT tracking problems (like the original DFI nF4) as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
:lol: Freudian Slip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Sounds like a great name for a Strip Club actually.
Regarding cold bugs and drive strength resistors, there is a lot you guys do not know. I posted bios pics of the ati reference boards a while back and it showed 7 levels of dram drive. The reason for 7 levels is to accomodate from strong drive to weak drive with various levels inbetween.
Reason for this
As you chill the cpu the memory controller drive strength increases, so the colder it gets the more you over drive the memory. So you have to weaken the drive to the ram....weaker drive= higher fsb at colder temps.
Im working on a new article that will explain just what is happening wth the new breed of motherboard and why they clock ram so well etc.
Just adding juice to get a higher overclock really does not cut it any more, the science of overclocking got a whole lot more complex in the past 18 months and the results of these new motherboards is the huge ram clocks you are seeing now.
PS it helped AMD put the MCH on the cpu die also a little ;)
I don't see oskar making the same mistake twice..i will have a board soon and will measure it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
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Originally Posted by Tony
I hope so , waiting for your test.
No wonder I didn't see the 8pin power connector, It's in Black on a Black motherboard next to the 24pin connector. :brick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enz0
On the subject of 8pin power supplies, SuperMicro has a 645w psu with a 24, 8 and 4 pin connector and +12v @ 46Amps, It's a psu that SM recommends at the very least for My H8DCE motherboard and in November I'm getting one for either $105.08 or $128.94 delivered. I currently have an eg651p-ve fm(550w, +12v @ 36Amps) Enermax and It has all 3 connectors too. :slobber: :slobber: And I have $40.00 all saved to help get It next month. :banana:
Still can't figure out, what's the difference between the two boards (except that one is named Lanparty whereas the other - Lanparty UT)? :shrug: And what about the rumored CF-BT (bigtoe :p: ) board? Was that just a joke or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Since they have the 8-pin power connector, why the hell is there still a floppy connector on the board????? Or do you guys think that's just a fan header??
maybe even more extra power for those cascade folks who want to shove enough volts down AMD64 cpus to hit 4ghz heheQuote:
Originally Posted by Scroatdog
if this board had a creative SB live 24bit chip on it (vs their Kajan-whatever chip) then it would be the ultimate mobo... in my speculation. :) I like the request for a collected MOSFET config for better active cooling also... anyways, I am so sick of my MSI neo4... damn voltages are so whacked out on it... I am jumping ship to this expert series DFI SLI DR board, just been waiting for it to come out. Very soon now! yeah! :D
"ZipZoomFly Part#: 246501Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Lead Time: Out of Stock
Manufacturer: DFI
Manufacturer SKU: LANPARTY RDX200 CF-DR
Our Price: $280.00"
Well - they're already sold out, no crossfire for most anyone. lol
I disagree about the integrated SB Live making the board an 'ultimate' board. For good sound, people will get a stand alone card like the cheapest X-Fi, which would kill the SB Live.
who cares about sound what's going on with availability.....even Tony (Bigtoe) hasn't seen it yet.....that can't be good :slapass:
I quote my self now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
So, how is it?
I readed BT's post but did'nt find any answer to my question :confused:
Thank you DFI .. He he
I could care less about the silicon image. Lets hope the ddr volts dont sway around like Tarzan in the Jungle. I was tossing this or the Crossfire board around, Expert takes it as ATI gets a pass for the first run on Crossfire.
Expert at DFI's site!!
Lets hope the egg gets this soon. Or maybe even Microcenter.
any shop has this in stock?
They have it at ncix.com:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=DFI
I need newegg to get it so I can try my plan to build my new $1200 setup with bill me later feature :)
Here It's at their USA website for $213.85 DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert Motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
Anyone ever figure out if this board will have SLI X16?
Same SLI config as before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
Same chipset.
Each x16 slot operates at x8 bandwidth. When the graphics cards are connectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
via the SLI bridge, the total bandwidth of the two graphics cards is x16.
that depends on what you are doing with it.. if you just have it hooked to a simple gaming surround speaker set, like the X530 or something, the Xfi would be a waste of $$ imo... the SB live24 bit is a very decent sound solution... and I value not having to slap extra cards in my case... but that's me... as always, imo :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaink
Plus it would block part of my rad i that last top (BTX config) slot. doh!
I'm talking about this:Quote:
Originally Posted by cupra
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2493
The new ASUS board is supposed to have it.
Yeah thats one of my concerns with this board, I dont know if I can get my SB Audigy 2ZS high enough on the PCI slots to clear my Iwaki Pump, Its pretty damn big.Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
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Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
its a different chipset altogether.
has 2 'bridges'
a true NB and a SB.
and also supports a full 16 lanes per PCI-E port when in SLI... not that you'd need it anyways.
Remember, socket M2 is next year. I wouldn't buy the 16x SLI simply because by the time games used it, it'll be on the newest platform.
Hehee....well expect to be waiting until the end of next year until there's a M2 platform for regular end-users.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransNone13
BTW, I stated that OPB talked to Oskar last week and eta was mid Oct. Well, OPB spoke again to him a couple of days ago and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(
lol. Never ends does it. Same routine with every board release.
On the fdd, Simple some people still use It to help flash their Bios, I mean unless DFI does It from Windows on the hdd now? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroatdog
Which board is going to be delayed 1 month? This one? I thought it was already for sale at ncix.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Not saying it will happen or that it won't but this is the reply I got from www.ncix.com about the pre-ordering of the SLi-DR Expert. Hopefully it will be there. If not I am not hurting for it anyway but would be nice.
Your order will be in stock at our warehouse @ oct 17.
Thanks for waiting and choosing NCIX.COM.
========================
Wayne Cao
Ncix.com/ Netlink Computer Inc
1-877-624-9777 Ext.6000
or 604-288-8080 ext. 6000
http://www.ncix.com
USB bootable thumb drive is the way to go anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
I think the quote you replied to was saying that if there was an 8 pin power connector, then why did the board still have a floppy power connector on it for power input.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314