no doubt, don't post they are in the states w/o posting where to buy them
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no doubt, don't post they are in the states w/o posting where to buy them
Just stating a fact. I wanted to give you guys some hope. It's not my fault resellers haven't ordered them.
Sigh.....
I'll just shut up now. :(
What cooler will the boxed ones come with? FX/X2greater or A64/X2lesser?
Also, any word on market price for the 146? I'm a big fan of the 10x multi for some reason (and I don't buy the worst available :D).
Maybe they have? 1-2 weeks away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
Seen a few places have them listed in US, but none in stock. Price is usually 150+.
Here (Sweden) the distributors don't have them even so no store can order them :/ Czech is the only place in the world i've seen them and they have them in stock. Want to order the rig at the end of next week, dunno now I really like to get a hold of a opteron 144.
This post would have been a damn sight more relevant if you had taken the time to state who you actually ordered them from. Is it some kind of official secret that you cant divulge such information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
BTW distributors listings for the US still show no sign of the 939 Optis.
Since Vandi423 has gone silent, we might not find out. Go easy on posters and may be we can tease the info out of them. In the meantime I'm going to take a guess and say he's got a resale license and an account with a distributor like Ingram Micro. Pure speculation, yes. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
Unless you can order directly from AMD Malaysia then I don't see how that information can be of any use to anyone here.
Remember that distributors don't get anything until they order them from AMD.
I have seen the following in stock:
OSA144BNBOX
OSA146BNBOX ~ $205 - OEM should be around $185
OSA148BNBOX
OSA148DAA5BN
OSA150BNBOX
OSA150DAA5BN
OSA152BNBOX
They should be appearing this coming week. It is only a matter of time guys. Relax and don't shoot the messenger. ;)
boy i love how companies release crap in other countries first when they know their real market is the US, wth is w/ that? politics maybe?
foreals........ :mad: .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Molester
Location=texas :nono: ... :mad: ... Get some respect Molester... this is an international forum.
Pirs GCPUID will correctly detect the socket and the chip itself, try it out (my sig)
respect my question and don't flameQuote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
Molester
Maybe simply because they arn't put to gather in the US. They are package in some asian countries and as some other dude pointed out distributors don't get them till they order them.
Europe would probably be just as big market as US btw.
[QUOTE=Pirs]my new Opteron 144
Hi! I am hungarian people,and I would buy opteron 144 from foxpc.cz.
Which is correct price? 3596Kc or 4279Kc? How many postage czech republic(foxpc) to Hungary(Budapest)? Can anybody send it for me?
sorry,my english.
the right price is 4279... for shipping ask the store through email...
[QUOTE=over@locker886]4279 includes VAT while 3596 doesn't. Try to contact Mr. Blaska or Mr. Hlousek to see if they can ship it to Hungary. ContactsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pirs
yay! i love opterons! lol
Woohoo,
long last a thread comes along that makes me sit up, been dying to replace my dead 3000+. These opties might be just the thing. I have a request though..
Could peeps posting the SS PLEASE state cooling method and stabilty of system when SS were taken. Alot of us here want to know how stable these things are!!!
Righty im off to search for these!!!
So if you were to compare these 939 Opty's to a SD 3700 of the same rating what would be the difference between the two? What advantages can be gained from running an opteron vs sd (of same rating)
I'm just asking for sake of comparison. I'd likly get a lower clocked version and oc the heck out of it.
Opterons are here. I could have had them by Friday but the owners weren't in a hurry.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=37293
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=37294
How many people in the US are actually looking for these? 10 Maybe?
it's nice to know that one of those is mine. now i just gotta do something about getting a s939 mobo and pci-e video card :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
Someone needs to test those NOW!!!!!
This link may be useful for some
Look here for checking Opteron Specifications
be sure that i will do extensive testing like i did with the newark 3700+ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
also.. http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opte...pn=OSA144BNBOX :cool:
Can't wait Ozzimark :D
me neither :cool:
for those wondering, vandi informed me of the stepping-week-batch:
CABNE 0530APMW
seems relatively new :toast:
Looks like this thread is going to get very interesting in the next few weeks, hopefully we have found our new grail!!!
[QUOTE=Petr]Thanks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by over@locker886
Vandi
What's the deal with Dual Core models 165 and others.....I am hanging out for those I think as long as the reviews are OK
Dino
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
AMD is really pissing me off
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08...on_price_rise/
that's kinda old news, sorry bud. they did that so that people wouldn't go buying the $400 152 instead of the $850 fx-55 :toast:
165,170, and 175 models are all in stock and shipping.
EDIT: I've been looking back at old price lists and these things have been out since JULY! I didn't think people would be interested in these models so I never bothered to look and get the word out.
I am taking action and drumming up support locally as these babies will be the CPUs to get as they fill the gaps in low end performance CPUs for us all
You'll need a login but it's worth it (one of my favourite forums) :)
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...d.php?t=409220
i borrowed a couple of screenies from here :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
<--this guy is interested(me, lol)
any word on american resellers?
donno how old news this is but it's a good historical AMD pricing chart:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warner/CPUPricesAMD.htm
nice info. i like how the 152 is the only one that went up :D:D
true you are certainly correct about AMD's pricing strategy....I'm glad Intel is not too far behind because AMD is becoming a bit too relaxed I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
What about 1XX X2 Opties ?
that's what 165, 170, 175 are ....just visit my link above....all summed up nicelyQuote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
DAAMMNNNN i want one.. there gonna take 50years to come to australia :(
I mean, they'll be available soon ?
probably. i would venture 1 month or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
as the big man says ........Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I really can't comment on when resellers will have them. But I can say that they are out there (Distribution Channel). I guess they think people won't buy them like the old 1xx Opterons. That is why AMD had to lower the price so much. They lose money when they are not being sold.
if they are in distribution they are pretty much there......for you lucky buggers in the US of AQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
i think it's the japanese and the czech's that are teh winners
The only downside (if you could call it that) for the 165 X2 is the x9 multi though that certainly does'nt effect its OC potential.........I THINK THEY ARE NICE :clap:
Hey it's my CPU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I hope that mine is the one that *appears* taller. If Ozzi gets the tall one, then I'm going to be pissed, haha.
I'm stoked.
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_35.jpg
look carefully at the sticker baron, looks like you did get the taller one :p:
i think i'll make a thread on it soon.
Come on peeps,
when r us mere mortals gonna get to see wht these chips are clocking like, LOL.
Ozzimark and robberbaron show us the light, please
:D
Ive already got a friend of mine who has an online store in the UK to get them in stock, he tells me they will be available on the 27th!! I want to know before than how the chips are fairing, get too work, heheheeee
i'm hoping to have my motherboard by friday, monday at the latest. i'll let everyone know a few days after that how it does on stock cooling :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
Quote:
Originally Posted by robberbaron
Yes, you're getting the tall one. :D
EDIT: Ozzimark, cool! 2Day shipping! :D
yup! i was impressed. i had an email at 9:50 this morning saying that there was a package waiting for me at the post office. more like 1.5 day shipping :toast:
btw, stock heatsink sucks. tried my hand at lapping it, i think i need to get some lower grit sandpaper before i really put a dent in it (this was with 1500)
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_39.jpg
yo Ozzy,
u need to lap that with rougher sand paper first then go to the lower type, 1500 aint bad, you should be getting a very polished surface with that. You using water or just plain emerald paper?
Considering the machining marks and the fact that it's as flat as a bowl, i would start as low as 600 grit.
~4 guys are planning to get some 146's locally next week here :D
ya, i have to figure out where i put the lower grit stuff. i lapped that much with water.. not running though. getting it shiny isn't quite as important as getting it flat to me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
got any reccomendations on what to do? :cool:
mrlobber, do let us know how they do :D
Ouch Ozzi, that stock HSF sucks pretty bad. :slapass: Oh well, I'm sure you'll correct it in due time with your magical lapping skills. I'll just stick with my X2 cooler. :cool:
:eek: heheheh i like the beach ball effect on the stock HSF.......man who's gonna wait until friday to see some OCing.....we are OC starved here....common dudes let's see what these can do
if you're gettin em w/ heatsinks, slap the stock on there, see how it does :woot:
that was my plan, but i dunno if i can accept this thing unmodded :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by VulgarHandle
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
okay, okay, put some as5, and that's it :D lol
found an american sites that sells em
http://www.tritechcoa.com/pc-components/P2A2K1.html
http://www.techonweb.com/products/pr...x?cid=B1A1A0AE
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
haha! This is exactly why I love XS! :toast:
nice, they're actually in stock too. i wonder how reliable they are
well, there seems to be a whole slew of resellers selling them, just not the one's we're used to(newegg, monarch, etc....)
yeah, there are a bunch, but when i checked up with vandi last week, none of them were in stock yet.
Geez $10 for ground! :eek:
well, after comparing prices of similar products to newegg and monarch from techonweb, newegg and monarch might have them for 15-20 bucks cheaper, yay, but to wait.... , i been holdin off buildin a 939 for 6 months now..... can i wait a few more weeks.....
heheheee,Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
made my chuckle
:p:
LOL, you dont really need reccomendations do you, hehehehehe :).Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
What I do is place the emerald paper on a piece of glass (glass is usually very flat). I then start off from a very low grit surface (arnd 400/600) using water (not running) and sand away. I vary the sanding motion depending on the shape of the surface of the heatsink. Then you keep checking the surface of the heatsink until its color/shade/texture is the same across the whole surface. Once I see the color/shade/texture become universal I only use a circular motion for the sanding (both clockwise and anti-clockwise).
Once you got it to tht stage you can start using higher finer surfaces. Dont forget to rinse the emerald paper with clean water at regular intervals through the whole sanding process.
Hope this helps
haha, thanks. that's what i normally do, but for some reason, i just can't get the polished shine :(
Hi,
Yes ! Opteron 144
After XP-M, A64-M ... this CPU is a nice surprise of AMD !
Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
Sure :fact:
This one ? :D
not this one . it s an 165 and socket 940.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
Edit : I will have Opteron 144 S939 OEM in about 15 days :D
No, picture is from a Socket 939 Dual Core Opteron 165
http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...ages786898.jpg
http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...ages786897.jpg
ooooooooh, how much $ are we talkin for a S939 165?
i still don't see the point of these, but a 1.8ghz 1MB cache is a dream come true, esp at around 3000+,3200+ prices...
i was wanting to hold out on a 3800+ X2, but the 3000+s were temptingly cheap...
now that these are here, i'm willing to wait for a good 144/146 or even 165 (1.8ghz 1MB DC also a dream come true)
they should be cheaper than or about the same price as the 3800+ (willing to pay a few bucks more), according to Athlon 64 x2 naming conventions they would be the same...
1.8ghz 1MB (165) cache would = 2ghz 512k (3800+ X2)
a few easy steps and it becomes a 4800+ :D
the dual core opterons will not be cost effective.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPT301
Dual-Core AMD Opteron 175 (2.2ghz) $530
Dual-Core AMD Opteron 170 (2.0ghz) $475
Dual-Core AMD Opteron 165 (1.8ghz) $417
compared to
4400+ (2.2ghz) $537
4200+ (2.2ghz, 2x512kb) $482
3800+ (2.0ghz, 2x512kb) $354
if you plan on getting a 4400+, it might be worth it for the "better" silicon, but the 170 and 165 aren't worth it imo
sorry, the sig is old, i'll change it soon... i came to the conclusion that i don't want to spend that much on a cpu (4400+)
but it doesn't seem too bad.. i mean the $60 extra for the 165 over the 3800+ seems steep, but if you look at the next cheapest toledo being 140 more, it seems like a decent deal... (with intent to overclock)
opteron 175 = 4400+ right? 1meg caches, 2.2ghz
yet the opteron is $7 cheaper...
sounds cost-effective to me, just hard to compare a 512k cache model to a 1meg
the numbers go to your head (i'm a long time duron fan, so i know the effect of more cache is usually negligible, but u can't get around the numbers)
EDIT: also, the 'better silicon' story sounds like BS to me... they aren't going to bin the 165s and the 4400+s or the 144s and the 152s together...
the "opterons are for servers so they need to be more stable" argument is flawed, implies that AMD sells unstable desktop processors, not to mention a non ECC opteron is nothing but an Athlon, the only reason 1xx opterons ever existed is for the 940pin/ecc error checking memory, people who only needed a 1cpu server (or a simple workstation w/ ecc)
EDIT2: if they have better cores, its because they got 1 meg caches, not because "Opteron" is etched into the lid
well, i actually called tritechcoa.com and even tho their site says they're available, they're not, and won't be till Oct. 12th :(
i personally will prolly get a 144, because it is the xp-m of a64(minus the higher multipliers)
i know that moderate tccd will get 300+, and 300x9 1:1 w/ 1mb L2 for ~$140USD is a steal(assuming it hits 300x9)
175 is the way to go.
________
Magic Flight Launch Box
I would have thought the 170 would give the best price/performance ratio, you can keep the x9 multi IMHO :)
144 & 165 all the way :D
common guys let's see some benchmarks.....or I'm gonna have to fly to US/Brazil/Chech Republic/Hungary where ever there is stock and do it myself :slapass:
lol for the last 2 weeks i've been checking monarch like every day for the 165.. let's see about today... nope :(
what a load of :banana::banana::banana::banana:.......local retailer in Australia is quoting USD$660 for Opteron 165 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ...............they are dreaming ...............i'm sick of this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: AMD pricing....it really needs to be regulated
what benches would you like exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
benchmarks, benchmarks!
Forget the benchmarks for the time being and clock for sucker first!!!!!!
:slap:
:banana:
:D
Oh and then after tht clock 4 clock comparisson against other CPU's would be great, LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
heheheheee
heh, all right. i plan on playing around with low voltages for the first couple of days.. start out with how low i can get vcore at stock mhz, and see how it scales with voltage up to stock :D
I can only speak to my own experiences. Have you every talked to someone in AMD? Had IBM and AMD show up on your doorstep and tell you why the Opty's are binned differently? I have and I promise that they spend money testing more thoroughly. Or they lie very well indeed. Either way, they got my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodcooper
The final retail price of a processor is not based on the costs that went into it, it's based on the market that the chip is selling into and what the competition is offering at the same price point.
I have not had a dead CPU in a single server yet from either the Xeon or Opteron family. That statement is not true of P4 or Athlon servers used in the small offices. I just pulled up the log.... out of 2000 servers world wide we have replaced 37 processor or processor boards in P4 or A64 based small office servers, no Xeons and no Opterons. I went back one year. Most common point of failure is PSU for those interested.
Take the data for what it's worth, my experience may not be yours.
Regards
UnG
I do not have access to play with such huge resouces as you Ugly, only about 15 years experience playing with and building computers and I agree with you 100%...........cheap and nasty or just faulty PSU's account for nearly all CPU, mobo, HDD ect deaths then any other component
I recently cleaned out my spares/junk room after an 18 month buildup and I has 18 'kin PSU's that had smoked themselves and generally taking the mobo ect with it :rolleyes:,..................it seems they do not like to die alone :fact: :slapass:
server's based on athlons/p4s/celeron/sempron are generally using cheaper board/processor/memory and like you said power supply...
up until now, the premium on a motherboard that'd take an opteron or xeon is quite a bit higher than standard PCs... why? quality...
the same is true for power supplies
the chip may not be the only variable in your little comparison of 'bad processor replacements'
in a nutshell cheap servers have cheap parts in them, expensive xeon/opteron based servers have expensive parts in them, now if you don't agree that power supply and motherboards have anything to do with the life of a cpu, then we can end the conversation here
your findings are interesting, and not suprising really.. but they prove nothing of the quality of Opteron chips over Athlon 64 chips
EDIT: do you assume that if such is the case, every 144 should overclock to 154 speeds?
i doubt it,
but it doesn't make me want a 144 any less :slobber:
Indeed my finding proves nothing, neither does your supposition that consumer grade and server grade chips are treated the same. Based on evidence at hand and first hand discussions with the companies involved, I'm inclined to believe they are treated differently. You of course may believe what you like, I am not forcing my opinion on you, just counterweighting your theory with my own experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodcooper
UnG
I agree with Ugly and Grey in the opinion that server cpu's should be of slightly higher quality, i mean they are desinged to be run all day and night in confined spaces and handle ooodles of processing.
Although i agree thats its all speculation as AMD could be cheap and hope thier production methods are good enough quality for rebranding consumer cpu's to server cpu's. If that makes sense :)
Well I got some info for peeps in the UK,
My favourite online retailer is pre-selling these, estimated date of arrival the 27th Sept.
CPUCity sells Opteron 144 :D
Not a bad price I must say, a little more expensive than a 3000+ Venice but if they clock well then will be a real bargain!!
i meant to say OC the crap out of it and do some SuperPI/Mod1.4 runs :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark