what is the highest fsb ppl hv luck on these? I almost bot them here in Hong Kong, but decided to go with Crucial which is on the way to me.
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what is the highest fsb ppl hv luck on these? I almost bot them here in Hong Kong, but decided to go with Crucial which is on the way to me.
Without much tweaking I got mine to 255@2.5-3-3-6 and 260ish@3-3-3-8. I still need to figure out which dram timings these things like and maybe I can get a few more mhz out of them.
I'm using the red pcb Patriot sticks by-the-way. Bought them off Monarch a week ago.
THose look just like mine, now tell him to rip the spreaders off and youll really know, you need CE-6Quote:
Originally Posted by OV3RCLOCK3R
he got those from the egg? how long ago did he order and were they 129 dollars a piece? im trying to figure out what mem to buy in the 1gig flavor and since ive had great luck with my XBL 3200 tccd im willing to give these another go in the 1gig flavor. also does anyone know if these 1gig stcks run 1T would hate to buy these and have to run 2t.
thx perc,
2x1gb will always run 1tQuote:
Originally Posted by Perc
@stealth17
ok thx man thats good to know. i got another question if you dont mind? the ballistix for 158 a pop or the patriot for 129 a pop? do the ballistix have the CE-6 and are they worth the extra money? ive been looking for weeks and getting realy itchy to buy this memory to pair up with my X2 cpu....
thx perc,
the ballistix imho is not worth it. if your feeling lucky shoot for some patriot red pcb... seems monarch has been sending them out. the patriot is the only ram out on the market right now that i know of using CE-6. You could also shoot for some Mushkin PC3200 BE-5 as their new batch has been clocking better than their old one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Perc
where did u hear this.. that is new news to me. we didnt even bother with the ce-6 cuz it is ddr333 overclocked and the life span of overclocking those chips are shorter. thus we didnt evern bother with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
LOL
Duonger
oh i just firgured you tried since you knew about it, knew they were old parts, and the new stuff from you is still BE-5 :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
my apologies
i just bought another 2gb of the patriot from newegg in hopes of ce-6....we will see what happens
After playing BF2 for more than a month now, I seriously have this craving to get me some 2GB ram goodness. Like just when I get into a map such as Kubra dam, basically my computer screen freezes for 3-5 secs while moving around trying to get to the choppers. I'm sick of it to say the least.
But what I'm really wondering is if there ius a 2GB kit out there that can do 255 @ 2.5-3-3-X. I saw that 2 peeps achieved this with some Mushkin 2GB kits, but i've been reading the new batch isn't as good? While some people say that the new batch is better...
All i want is 250-255 @2.5-3-3-X. Just because I've always hated high FSB high latency memory. I've always gone for the 2-2-2-5 goodness. So Duonger if you would like to comment on wether the new batch of 2GB kits could possibly still achieve this, that would be great.
stealth17, when do you exspect them? I am waiting till they get those killer red pcbs in so I can order. RMA'd Mushkin, OCZ and Ballistix as they all overclock like poop on the Asus board. The PDPs are the ONLY ones with Asus 'Approved' ram chips and overclock like hell to boot :D I would just order the PDPs but Newegg might start getting a little peed off if I keep sending ram back all the time :p:
BTW did you ask for the 'RED' stuff :confused:
should see them wednesdayQuote:
Originally Posted by rodman
you cant ask for the red pcb while ordering. ive even called. they said if you get green and still want red, rma them and write that you want the reb pcb version in the rma notes. even then though they cant guarantee anything :(
here is the other reason i recommended many of you wait
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?ID=239
Notice those are NOT approved for my MOBO ;)Quote:
here is the other reason i recommended many of you wait
Infineon's are :fact:
doesnt mean they wont work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
are these the same patriot sticks? there's not the best range of ram in australia
http://www.patriotmem.com/products/g...PC3200&catid=1
listed as "PDC2G3200LLK" ram.
yes that should be themQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephir0th
just ordered some patriot sticks from new egg, hopefully the memory gods will bless me :). I will let you guys know what I get when they arive
I just ordered a set as well...Oh PLEASE, PLEASE be the red pcbs :D
Spruce, if you get them and I don't :mad: :p:
mine shipped out today from newegg....NJ warehouse
I have red pcbs and they are BE-5 :brick:Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
OMG, where did you get them from? WTF is going on here, I have to call Patriot and get to the bottom of this :mad:Quote:
I have red pcbs and they are BE-5
Are the Ballistix BE-5 the same as well? For all we know Ballisix is using Infineon :rolleyes:
Gaspar, you don't work for Patriot do you,lol, as you seem to be the ONLY one with the correct chips :nono: Did Patriot screw up or something :confused:
I ordered from Newegg, CA warehouse.
MOTHERF*CKER!!!!! just got mine today. newegg, NJ warehouse. Red pcb BE-5!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by zizo
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
dont get too upset yet though guys. this is probly the new batch of be-5 like the ones mushkin got. the new batch is doing better. 250-260mhz 2.5-3-3-6
cross your fingers!
the red pcb is also damn sexy! :hump:
possibly some good news. the red pcb appears to be B6U815 which is brainpower pcb! that mushkin blue used B6U808 pcb in some occasions, so this may be a very good thing. i will show some results this evening
wow got some news. turns out that the BU6815 pcb is the same as the mushkin XP4000 uses!
i threw the new sticks in today....hehe
2.85v, all dfi settings on auto (loaded optimised) and i hit 250mhz NO PROBLEMS! 2.5-3-2-6 too!!!! with tuning, im sure i can hit 255-260 with these be-5 chips!!!!
im happy!
So...Why would ther be infineon and BE-5 on red pcb by the same company and from the same distributer :confused: Someone get to the bottom of this :stick:
I think there was a small batch of infineon chips on red pcb (many probably have them and don't even realize it) at newegg and Gaspar got lucky. I mean he got 2, the rest of us can't get one. Question is, why did Patriot change over to BE-5, was it cost or was it performance...We shall see.
Wile everyone is removing the heatspreaders, can anyone give me some tips as I will be checking mine :rolleyes:
2.85 voltage seems high, wasn't Gaspar getting those results with 2.6 or something? I don't care about giving my ram the volts...It's the heat I worry about after 3+ hours of BF2 :eek:
However I think I will be able to run 230 fsb@2.5-3-3-6 :woot: Something the OCZ 2-3-2-5 platinums could not :rolleyes:
put some good ram heatsinks and a fan over that... should keep them cool enough...
i think you are i alittle confused. the BE-5 is an infineon part as is the CE-6. just a different line. They always had the BE-5 on the generic green pcb, i guess they expirimented with CE-6 a bit though. from my guess, finding ce-6 will NOT be easy and probly not worth it. Gaspar imo got EXTREMELY lucky. if all ce-6 could do that, wouldnt mushkin, corsair, pdp, and the rest use it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
ce-6 is ddr 333 from what Dounger said and i heard the yeild rate on the ce-6 sucks. that probly the main reason for not using it. too many borked chips that simpily get tossed.
the red pcb is brainpower pcb i believe and i would guess all you will see is the new batch of be-5 (which is doing pretty good).
as for the voltage, 2.85v is about average conpared to the 2x1gb database. i hadnt messed with voltage at all. these stay cool at 2.85v, i run 2 fans over them anyways. anything <3v is safe imo.
im about to head out for a couple hours now, but ill do some testing later tonight and post some results. with tweaking im sure i can get atleast 255 mhz! i mean, i hadnt set anything but the 4 main timings and these did 250mhz like it was a joke!
i will let you all know!
to remove the heatspreaders, usea small flat screwdriver and pop the clips off. be careful not to hit the screwdriver on the pcb or chips. i took a chunk off of the chip one time by going too deap :eek: (still worked thank god)....then i just use my finger nails to pull the heatspreaders away from the pcb at the pin side of the module. very easy.
good luck
Well good news it sounds like.. Maybe these BE-5's will be real good. Glad you got some that overclock well. And yes I did use 2.6v up to 540, then 2.8v to 560, havent treid anyhigher though.
Thanx for clearing that up :) What voltage do they run stock?Quote:
i think you are i alittle confused. the BE-5 is an infineon part as is the CE-6. just a different line. They always had the BE-5 on the generic green pcb, i guess they expirimented with CE-6 a bit though. from my guess, finding ce-6 will NOT be easy and probly not worth it. Gaspar imo got EXTREMELY lucky. if all ce-6 could do that, wouldnt mushkin, corsair, pdp, and the rest use it?
Are the heat spreaders 'glued' on :confused:
With my luck I will get one red BE-5 and one red CE-6 :eek:
stock is 2.5v....now that i am home for the night i will do a bunch more testing. i actually was probly hurting myself by putting 2.85v...have to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by rodman
heatspreaders are taped on. it does take force. just put your finger nails on one heatspreader (pin side) and your other hands finger nails on the other heatspreader. pull untill on side budges. its easy once you have done it once :p:
Edit: good news ppl I was able to get the good stick up to 245mhz with 2.5-3-2-7 and 2.8volts (11x245 is my cpu limit). I should RMA the bad stick I guess.
I lucked out then at 2.8 volts I managed to get to 264 with 3-3-3-7 1T...
luck of the draw I guess...
Awesome work fellas, Ima order mine tomorrow night and hopefully will get the same red pcbs you guys have gotten, ima send back my OCZ goldies and order these babies..
whats best timings anyoe has gotten with these at 250 which is where ill run my cpu 1:1 X12 with the newark :P
250 seem to be the sweet spot for mine. i hit it with 2.5-3-2-5 easily....use the lowest voltage possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
my board overvolts .1v so im actaully at 2.6v which i want lower...dfi nf4...any suggestions?
tnx for the hint. I lowered the voltage and it's still working at 245 with 2.5-3-2-5 timings, but I got a nasty error at 250.
WOW, for 1gb stix selling for 130.00, these are by far the best ones going :cool:
Anyone have a max overclock with them?
SO are these BE-5 modules?? SO curiose as of today IM still the only one with these bad boys
yes be-5 on red pcbQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaspar
mine seem to do 250mhz 2.5-3-2-5 2.6v very easily. im going to do some 3-3-3-7 runs tonight to see what i can doQuote:
Anyone have a max overclock with them?
aim for 300mhz
stealth17, you have a PM.
FedEx just dropped of the ram, they are red pcbs :D Now I have to get enough nerve to rip the spreaders off :p:
hmm any suggestions? as soon as i hit cas 3 it brings up thousands of errors. ive been tweaking and burning in for a hours now. cant even hit 255mhz stable. i got it memtest stable but it crashes in windows (surprise surprise)...Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
try cas 4 and then put in a divider...
or if desperate 2T
and if you still can't go hightier,
drop the temps with dry ice..
and Still no further..
You hit your ceiling....
cas 3 didn't help me neither. I hit 245mhz max with 2.5-3-2-5.
I think that is a cpu limitation not memory...
No I used lower multipliers. I might be my motherboard, but with dividers I can boot at 300HTT.
Stealth, check each stick separately see how far can you push each one.
get a msi or a dfi.. then you will know it isn't the board...
no cas 4 option. i havent checked each stick yet. i will drop temps to -20c or better with my chillbox in a few weeks. i am also planning a review for these sticks, but im waiting for my camera to come back from rma
Who buys a 754 board anymore? If I didn't have this x800xt I would upgrade to NF4, and X2. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Could it be the memroy controller on the 130nm Newcastle core?
definately but you can always go 939 very cheap these days...
I'm a little confused about people saying they got the Patriot sticks from newegg, I can't find them on newegg.. The only 1GB patriot sticks the egg has are different ones.
Outpost sells these:
PDC2G3200LLK $199.99 2-3-2-x
Newegg sells these:
PDC2G3200ELK $225.50 3-3-3-x
Which ones are you guys talking about?
Edit: I guess you guys bought the PEP1G3200LL single 1GB sticks?
"Edit: I guess you guys bought the PEP1G3200LL single 1GB sticks?"
Yup. :)
Yep...
yes
yes sir and if ge the green pcbs ima send a bomb threa to newegg..
I had to order mine on a holiday weekend now im not gonna get mine till end of next week I guess it hasnt even shipped out yet and its 830 pm on sat :(
I have a feeling that ima get shafted on these dimms because of lately the RAM gods have been takin mean dumps all over me with my bh-5 and now why would they have mercy on me with this set?
Sry for stating that it was tccd, aparently I didnt read enough to know what kind of ram it was Battlefield kinda drowned out all thoughts as to what kinds of ram it is, i just wanna play it decently and competetively, with 2 gigs..
its not tccd
and you just have to request the red on your RMA, worked first time with me...
Do they still have green pcbs? I have sent back the defective stick but didn't specify I want red back. Well I guess I can sent it back again if it was green. lol
By the way, I can't boot at 2-2-2-5 and 200. Did you guys try it?
trcd 2 is not going to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by zizo
2-2-2-5 1T doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell with 1 Gb sticks...
hello every1 i am new to this forum. i have jus purchased 2 sticks of these patriot ram, RED pcb!! i managed to run 2-2-2-5 with no overclocking in dual channel mode, but wen i check with cpu-z it showed that i uses 5:4 divider, even thou i didn't tweak the ram (apart from the timing). i now currently run these sticks in an Intel platform... lg775 3ghz. is that normal that these ram's stock setting uses 5:4 divider? I put my other stick of Kingston 256mb value instead of the patriots and it shows 1:1 in cpu-z..
are there anything wrong with my patriot ram cos it runs a 5:4 divider at stock?
sorry i couldnt give much help cos i have limited understanding in tweaking memory, but i am happy with the patriots!! good memory.
In the near future i am looking to move to the amd platform.. but dont wanna get rid of my 6800le agp softmod to 6800GT. any suggestion of a new motherboard that can support agp graphics card? nforce4 chipset support agp? (sorry abit off topic)
how many mhz does it say the ram is running? 200mhz? or less?Quote:
Originally Posted by a_dragon_jai
it says frequency 160Mhz. FSB:Dram 5:4 in cpu-z with no overclock
thats why....look in your bios and see if you can set the ram 1:1 manually. it should be liek 1:1 or 200mhz...something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by a_dragon_jai
I got 2-2-2-5 up to 185mhz :)
i really dont think its worth it though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by zizo
The patriot sticks at the local australian store are apparently BE-6. How does that compare to BE-5/CE-6?
Thanks,
-Andrew
I cannot find the setting to change the ram ration in my bios. i don't think its the bios setting because it has always been on optimise setting, also i tried putting in my old stick of kingston 256mb stick it shows fsb ration in cpu-z as 1:1... so i am confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
can you change it to aggressive or user control?Quote:
Originally Posted by a_dragon_jai
can you take some pics of your bios and i can help you?
hmm, so would this be a better buy than the OCZ plat. and the Mushkin Blues?
better buy, definatly...they are more expensive for basically the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by kyp275
Not sure, would be interesting to find out though :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewK
yeh for sure! never even heard of be-6, get it and give it a shot! if no good, return it!
I have to ask :rolleyes: Why do the Ballistix 4000s clock sooo much better than these Patriots? I'm stuck at 250 :mad:
different chips....twice as much money almost tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rodman
you should be happy at 250 for $200!!
My BE-6 patriot is floating around 240-245 mhz atm on a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty via mobo with 2.8v as a maximum. Once I buy a DFi SLI-D and burn it in a bit more i'd be happy with 250-255.
This is at 2.5-3-3-8 atm.
Did some more overclocking. Now I took my winnie down to a 4X multi and put the voltage at 1.55 (all the ASUS will give me here) I then put HTT to 3X and ram to 2.5-3-3-7 1T@2.75 volts. I then went into clockgen and stated moving the FSB up by 5 at a time then running PI and a 3D mark 05 bench. I was waiting for a crash as always but... it never did, at least till 280 as I stopped there. Did I do this correct? Telling me this ram is good for 280+ or am I missing something? As soon as I moved the Multi to 5x on the cpu she crashed though :( But the winnie has alot of problems controlling ram, let alone 2GB@280fsb.
I went back and set everything in bios to make sure it wasn't clockgen messing with things and the results were the same. One thing though CPU-Z and Clockgen both say 280 speed on the ram, however Sandra said 224. Whats up with that as I didn't set any dividers, it's 1 to 1 :confused:
quick question guys, so if i get the red pcb's its CE-6 automatically?
what does cpu-z say the memory speed is?Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
no, it seems only one or two users got red→CE-6....everyone else is getting red→BE-5 that does 250-255 2.5-3-3-6 2.5vQuote:
Originally Posted by ingentingmendeg
I havent even checked to see what mine are, Im having a big prob with mine fellas..
Im on DFI NF3 250UT with a mobile Newark 3700+ rev E cpu and just got 2 gigs from the egg..
The thing is this, I load optimized and all runs fine, when I try to load 12X multi and 4 htt it wont pass raid array..
Even with lower multi as such 6x same thing happens, Is there something im missing here?
I noticed if I disable bank interleave I can pass raid arrays sometimes and get into memtest but it doesnt run it just hangs there doing absoultely nothing..
Any recomendations? Because Patriots tech support totally blowz, leave name message and # well call u back..lol
Sry for double posting admins but i have an update..
Im currently sitting in windows at ddr 333 with 12X multi?
My mobo supports ddr 400 with 2 gigs so whats the deal here? Is there something i can change in bios to get this stuff running right? or are my dimms just bad
philosophy, I think it's the bios problem. My asus also detects it at 333 but I lowered the muli and increased the HTT to get to the same mhz with no problem. my 2 old sticks that I ordered at the same time didn't have this problem, but after I got a new one, I can't run one old stick with the new one at 400. Maybe because they have different chips!
an update for you guys. I recieved my RMA back today and the new stick is doing 270mhz with 2.5-3-2-5 timings at 2.5v. I just tested for 5 rounds of memst#5 since I didn't have time.
Well me and New-B from DFI street forums both having same prob so Were guessing its either this ram dont like DFI NF3 250 gb or dont like our newarks, we both basically have same pc, and are having same problems.
I can boot to windows with 210fsb on 180 devider but any further than that and this mem craps out.
I hope someone with opportuinty to try this kinda setup out and try to work out the bug i would greatly appreciate it.
Until then I dont know If I wanna rma ram mobo or what..
I dont think this cp
u can be RMA'd guess ill have to ask vandi and see..
hello owners of these patriots.. may i ask wht is your stock FSB:DRAM ratio? i am using a n intel system, and my patriots ratio at stock is set to using 5:4 ratio @ 160mhz? i thought it was the setting in the bios, but when i put in my other kingston stick of ram (without changing any setting) it shows FSB:DRAM ratio at 1:1 @ 200mhz? i got these figures from cpu-z.
I have a pcchips motherboard, which hasnt got the function to chang fsb ratio or anything like that, i can only change the timing of the memory... IS THERE SUMTHING WRONG WITH MY PATRIOTS?
i was running 1:1 at 252fsb 2.5-3-3-5 windows stable. 255mhz is memtest stable.......Quote:
Originally Posted by a_dragon_jai
These patriots will not do anything over ddr 360 or 180fsb no matter what I can try, it has to be some kind of thingie that PDP havent encountered yet, tech support even said he has no idea why it wont and we tried over an hour of different settings and to no avail..
I even swappped to 4-15 bios and 5-04 bois to try that and still not working, New-B at DFI street is having same probs as me, Ima try these babies in the infinity tomorrow to see if theyll do some good speeds and if so I might be getting rid of the blessed NF3 setup in hopes of nf4 and X2
ThT IS BIZARRE, though it seems to me like either the SPD is saying they are ddr333 and thus the bios auto sets it to that ratio, or your boards bios just doesnt play nice with the chips. Do you know what chips they have in themn?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
280 and or 560 :) I'm up and running on the DFI (stealth you have a pm) I will see if I can push 280 with these like on the ASUS.Quote:
what does cpu-z say the memory speed is?
if cpuz says 280mhz then that is really wierd. i just cant see any way in h3ll you can get 280 some what stable with these...Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
pm replied
I got 298 stable with my neo2 and my 3000+ Venice..Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
Best of luck...
WITH RED PCB/BE-5?!?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
gatta see some screenys and settings :fact:
I ordered 4 of these sticks from newegg. One overclocked to 230, two 240, and one up to 270 with 2.5-3-2-5 timings. That last one might be a CE-6 but I don't want to void the warranty, so I think if you be lucky you might get it up to 280-290ish with 3-3-3-8 timings on a good board, but very rare.
you wount void the warranty if you take them off carefully. trust me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zizo
plz let us know what that last one is. you may have some CE-6 on your hands!
actually I tired to take it off but I just left some scratches on the stick. What's the best way to remove the heat sink?
I'm sure it can be overclocked more on a better board and cpu my 240mhz average seems a bit low.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
i got BE-6 chips. week 0530. i got these patriots from hong kong... used a flat head screw driver, the tapes between the heat sink and the memory are pretty tuff... when you starting to see the tape separating abit, then use a hair dryer to heat up the tape. this will help abit, make sure the warm air gets into the tape, by blowing into the gap between the heatsink and the memory.. then slowly use your nails or the help of the screwdriver to peel the heatsink off from both side. I choose to work with the side without the warranty label..
Is that BE-6 a new chip? old ones were BE-5 and CE-6.
240 at 2-3-2-5 :shocked: not even Gaspar's CE-6 could do that.
i have tried to search on information about these be-6 chips, also the ce-6 chips, to see how good they overclock etc, but no where to be found.. anyone that got thses information would like to share with us?
i can overclock with these chips to 240mhz 5:4 divider...relistically 190mhz. can't use 1-1.. anything over 240mhz my sata harddisk will not boot.