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it peaks out at 999fps... macci and kingpin has 999 for some seconds!
well, he broke 44k :woot:
400 points to go. ATI/Intel ready to pounce on AMD/SLI :D
the counter may peak at 999fps but it still internally calculates more than that, I know because ive seen bugged scores of 1000+ fps
try some low resolution runs.. lets see 640x480x16 lol
That would give hom like 100k score or something like that. 999 avg fps for all runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
we could test what GF4 said about the 1000fps barrier, though.
Find two settings that give 999fps constant in a test (other tests wont matter then) while one is obviously faster even though its still stuck at 999fps... if both come out the same score, then the limit is 999fps.
If the score changes then there isnt a 999fps limit.
Yeah, they are single sided. LL's are crazy eh? Definitelyy it's strongest test along with CL.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Gotta be this weekend or week I guess before somebody like Opp or Shamino gets 7800 at 700+/1400+ in 2001 :D
When was the last time Intel was top, must have been the P4 EE on 875 ? Or was FX-53 out then on nforce3 ? My memory fails me ....
If only Intel had gone with Dothan type technology, the whole of the top of the Orb could have been massively different :(
Regards
Andy
there isnt a limit, just the counter but the fps can be alot more than 999, take 3dmark 2000 for example, the counter was 99 but the fps can be way more. We may break 1000fps in dragon low soon with x900 ;)
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Originally Posted by zakelwe
This article was from two years ago
An on-die memory controller on the P-M architecture...why didn't it hit market? Because obviously a Willie with RDRAM would kick its ass. :rolleyes: :brick:Quote:
As we mentioned before, Timna was to feature an integrated memory controller, but at the time it was on the drawing board Intel still had delusions of grandeur about RDRAM being the future of all memory technology by 2001.
when/if Intel puts an ondie in their pentium-m itll kick so much ass! But they are too fixated on their p4 crap :rolleyes:
Tha will change once they see the dothan @ 3.6 in #1 in both AM3 and 2001. That will change their minds. Kingpin, have charlie send over his redline @ 28x, that should help you break into the 46k range. Or OPB's 29x BH-5. Both of them should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Oh and btw, Charlie in action at this very moment.
New x800xl WR's in a few moments
:slobber:
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Holy $...
That's some serious 3d power :eek:
:thumbsup:
Well here's my best CPU clocks:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8617886
35K++
Stock card, no mods, stock cooler 459/607
Waiting for low cas memory... 12 x 257 1:1, 2-2-2 will give at least 200 points...
My CPU is not that great, even at -63C max benchable around 3100mHz.
What's your opinions on the scores, guys???
At 600/610 where do you think I'll be????
38K??
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=32629
And here's me VS Tronik, current #1 Overall in X800XL class:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=32630
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You should really try win2k, even my dothan @ 2.87 and 9700 is beating that CH score.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
yeah, I will... I'm still reaching for the top end of the CPU!!Quote:
Originally Posted by alz85
Gautam thinks winxp is better for Dothan but if even kingpin uses win2k this speaks for itself ;)
It needs to be WinXP SP2. Try and explain how Macci hit 570 in LL at only 3.2 gigs with his memory ratioed at just 220MHz. I think that speaks for itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
If anyone doesn't believe me, please feel totally welcome to beat my lobbies and car high at 2.7 GHz:
http://home.comcast.net/~gautamb/fps.jpg
I wreck people 150MHz higher than me using Win2k no problem.
Won't be able to test them head to head for about a week.
Nice work man...You may be on to something for sure. I'll do some head to head comparison's with winxp sp2 and win2k. But remember, it's not all about lobbies and ch. Fully tweaked win2k may boost other scores slightly to still give overall better score than winxp. Even if only 100 points or less. I want to try it now to see for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
For a compare, can you match my settings EXACTLY here and see what you get? This was on win2k mps tweak,200x13, 5-2-2-2 120-64-00-enabled, x800@ 519/560 with NO timings tweaks on card, just stock w/4.12 cats and all sliders set to left in d3d options. .:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/...6/97680669.jpg
And please re-run cl until you get one that is closest to mine for comparison sake. I can't remember if this run had bugged or not....but most likely it was :).
My hunch is that WinXP is slower in Car Low, maybe Car High-not sure yet. Lobbies it seems better, and nature oddly enough it seems worse. I didn't test the two myself, sure as hell want to, boy do I miss that P4C800 that I killed. :( Just 5 days or so, I can live, I can live. :p
I originally was planning to use Win2k as well, but Macci mentioned in his Dothan thread that WinXP had historically worked better on this board. The only other OS I tried was Win2k3, and I could never even get that OS to complete a run. :-/
Have you tried DRAM Latency Parameter 11, or does it hurt clocks too much? Might be worth a shot even given the speed hit.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to and can't test head to head myself at this moment. :-/
And best of luck to ya as always. :D
Oh yeah, first thing i noticed when testing this hardware was 11 gave real nice boost to score, but unfortunately none of my ram likes it above 245 or so :(...though I havent tried it yet with the buffallo tech sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Sorry about your p4c...I'll go install winxp sp2 now and test the 2 head to head to get a definitive answer. DId you use any sort of mps tweak with your xp installation?
The 11 is weird. At 01, I was able to get to 265 with 3.6v,then I put 11 on and I went down to like 248...but with ~3.5v, I can get around 260 there. Very strange, you might want to try fine tuning with the volts. Chance the 14x multi might actually work out best for you with the 11 timing. These puppies seem to respond very very favorably to tighter timings, perhaps more than higher speeds.
Yes it was MPS Uniprocessor tweaked, SP2 DX9. Didn't do much else other than killing services.
This might be some food for thought concerning the OS and timings. "Only" 3.3 gigs, 5:4 would put the memory at just 240MHz...and he's still got 569 LL.
I tried MPS UNI on Win2k and in windows, I couldn't install ANY programs with setup/Admin errors.
Can't I update to MPS UNI in windows...
Oh and I notices when I optimize for Car Low, I can gain about 20 fps, but when running Car Low first I can gain 60fps...
For me, I'll still take the 600fps Car Low score.
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Originally Posted by charlie
No...you have to do it when you install OS, by pressing F5....
Wouldn't each time you re-run car low just wreck every other test?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
no, thats what I did! And got all the Admin/Setup errors!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SIOUX
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hows it going kingpin? get any good runs yet? we are looking forward to seeing you make top of orb :D
ok....are you using a SATA disc???Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Had a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: of a time last night. Lots of problems. Listen to this, I have a mobo that can run the cpu up to 3580 or so stable for pi and 3d with 14x:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../100679318.jpg
Only problem is, it can't run mem over 261 stable NO MATTER WHAT vdimm or vagp.
Now I have another mobo that can run the mem to 275 stable @3.8vdimm/1.86vagp:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../101207804.jpg
,but only 3480mhz on cpu or so for pi and 3d, and not abit more mhz... NO MATTER WHAT:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../101207807.jpg
After getting nowhere all night and this morning, now out of ln2....:(
Def. not giving up, just need a little more time for testing. I really want to make 272-274x13 fly for 3d.
Looking good charlie. The LL ram will help your score out alot man. Also, I tested winxp vs win2k...and win2k was better for around 100 points or so in final score. I did all my testing at 200x13, 5-2-2-2 120-64-00 enabled, and stock card clocks/card timings for both OS's.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I swear, the longer I hang around computers, the harder I find it to explain them...are you sure that 13x w/01 is better than 14x w/11? I guess I was wrong about the WinXP. Now I'll have to try win2k out. Also tempted to claim my 15-20MHz back by using the 01 timing...hrm...lots to play with here.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Your good lobby score is from the dram 11 setting, not winxp I promise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
I have more testing to do still with that dram setting, I'll figure out the tradeoff.
Guess it looks that way. Those board issues are hella weird but I'm sure you'll iron em out.
It sounds sort of familar though. Back in 2003 or whatever, I remember people being able to hit 300MHz fsb easy with 2.4C's for example, but finding it impossible to do the same with the 2.6's and 2.8's (Assuming that the cooling wouldn't bind the CPU) something about the boards not liking the combo of high speeds and high fsb, you'd always have to pick one or other. Looks somewhat like what you've got on your hands.
wont higher fsb be better than higher cpu clocks? In many cases it is! Also wasnt your 44.4k without all the tweaks? Does your cpu and gpu still have more in it vs. your 44.4k?
I guess the question is is 14x250 with the 11 timing faster than 13x270 with the 01 timing.
Thats too bad to hear kingpin. Hopefully u can find the problem. Maybe condensation?
Nah. The chip just walls at 3486mhz for benching in one mobo, and can hit 3570mhz for benchmarks in another. Both are fully modded and tuned the same way. 3570mhz=p4c800-d and 3486mhz= p4c800-ed. The better mobo can run vcore stable up to 1.7v with no issues, and the other can only run stable up to 1.59v to 1.6v or so, then it clips out or freezes in windows. I've broken it down twice now to recheck my mods. I swithced vcore mod to diff one, havent tried it yet though. My problem lies somwhere in the v-reg im sure. If not for this one issue, this p4c-e is a killer board bench stable @275 with 5-2-2-2. This is not easy at all on this board/setup like it was with neo2 or dfi.. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by moddolicous
think big....
Imagine the utter destruction and havoc this thing could wreak on the 01' orb @ 275x13 :P
Nice work k|ngp|n.
Hey, what volts you running the ATI core and mem?
What RAM you using and what volts?
Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
so are you going to adjust your record predictions now m8Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
For the x850:Quote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
1.98v on the core/ 2.23v mem
I'm using buffallo tech 2700/3200 bh-5. It's speed setting are set as 2700, but the stickers on the ram sticks say pc3200. I'm pushing 3.8v thru them for 275.
Up or down? heh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodoo|Minion
Did some bs testing yesterday with the vdroop ciruit, and I found that vcore on this mobo was drooping alot more than others I tested and orignally though it was(.4-.5v). I was able to dial in the droop mod while running benches, so now I get .1 overvolt under load, and no droop at all. Alot easier and more effective to do it that way, then to just set vr at 28k or 27k and solder it in.
Going to grab some ln2 in a bit and taking another shot at 45k. Haven't given up just yet on #1.
Not 100% sure this will be the solution, but it's a good start.
wow what will it take for 46k then if your doing all that to go from 44.4k to 45k? Have you done all the windows tweaks? ;)
a new WR for 3d01 would be great, but still i'm waiting for the 50k :banana:
go get em kingpin, times almost up
good luck :)
Im really enjoying this... hope you will make it kingpin!
good luck kingpin....!!!! :woot:
wish you can get dothan to 3550+ with your p4c800-e now that you adjusted the droop mod.... :)
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../101483039.jpg
77 points from OPP's SLI score and 1st overall....this was score was pretty hard to nail. Board is still not playing nice.
WOW!! Soooooo close... do you have an x800xtPE laying around?Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
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yeah, but i need to mod it and prep it for ln2.
Oh so close ! CH and LH combined are now just higher than Opps speedy 3600+ FX. Clock for clock in 3dmark Dothan seems to be 5% better.
I get the feeling Shamino has two 7800GTX's already being prepped, so you need to move fast. Any more runs today ?
Regards
Andy
C'mon Kingpin, squeeze that last little bit! :up:
Not till after 6 or 7 tonight though :( .....work. When is nda over? 9:00pm?Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
6am pst tomorrow iirc (1pm gmt)
Nicely done, few more mhz to get it. To bad youre board wont give it to you...
SOO close. Make it realtime (if u hadn't already). Your sooo close. Go for 45k, it’s pretty obvious that it looks like OPP's sli score is coming down next run.
kingpin,
soon you'll need to switch over to a P4GD1 and run the 7800gtx...
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Last I checked, OPP did 44k with two 7800s on water ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by moddolicous
Perkam
Thats next after I max this setup charlie. Dothan + 7800gtx for all single card scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I highly doubt that the (single) 7800 will give any extra as far as MArk2001 goes. Also the mobos w/ PCIe are slower (so system speed will take a hit).
Dothan plus fast X800 or X850 on i875/i865 mobo is the way to go for Mark2001.
Macci,Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
It seems around here that single phase is only getting us about 3100mHz benchable... with kingpin at 3500 on LN2... do you know if the Japanese guru's are going thru TRAYS of CPU's looking for cherries? Any evidence that a 760, 770 or 780 will bench any higher than 730-750?
THX!
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It's a fact that higher models most of the times if not all, benchies higher than the lower ones........EXCEPT if Intel the time that was producing a part of them (higher and lower), had many customers asking for low models, so renamed the "good" and higher ones as lower.....If you can understand what I meen......BUT most of the time, higher models goes higher...... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I meant for 03 and 05, not 01'Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
I can't believe I didn't get it on this run.........three :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing points.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../101569280.jpg
I swear I am going to smash the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of this board when I am done with it.
You'll get it sooner or later, congrats! :toast:
Dothan + X850 must be way more challenging than G70 :)
That's why I'm going to give it a shot also!
Thanx sampsa. It's a good challenge for sure. Cant speak for g70 benching just yet :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Can't wait to see what you can do with it. The kit is a blast on ln2, you'll love it. Dothan is in it's own class now.
SOOO close. What u should try is run all the tests in a different order (look for the thread "run 3d tests out of order". If u run them out of order (one at a time) and loop car high til u get a goodone, u might get 45k. I really am looking forward to this. BTW, what are the settings for the dothan?Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Arrg sooooo close.....
If you don't mind me asking, why the low CPU clock? Still having droop issues? You try 11 with slower mem clocks by any chance?
Moddiculous, I've got a sneaking suspicion that k|ngp|n's got more than a clue on how to bench 3d01...;)
Damn an X800 would have put you over the top. Still a very good effort KP, if you feel like smashing something go for it.
3 points is :slapass:
could you get 1 more FSB by LN2'ing the chipset?
Maybe try bumping +5v and +12v slighlty?
Gotta be some way to get 3 more points lol..
I honestly dont know if a 7800gtx can beat an x800xt or x850xt in 2001. Two of them with LOD tweaks might by a little, maybe 1k, who knows and im not gonna predict. It looks alot more impressive getting 45k with one gpu and one earlier and cheaper than 7800gtx too ;) I am assuming kingpin already did the ricky(multi apic) and codered(for ram timing) tweaks. Thats close to the exclusive 45k too. Have you maxed out your cpu and gpu? If not, one tick higher and a good run without crashing ought to do it ;)
I still have a few secret weapons.
Next run I post will be over 45k, :)
Getting more ln2 in a bit.
you da man! Im sure you know 10x more about the tips and tricks in 3dmark than me but if you ever have any questions, feel free to ask me :) 45k will be the world record in many ways, only two 7800gtx has any chance of beating you and thats so much more gpu power to barely beat ya lol
So close, I hope you get it, so much effort deserves a good reward :)
Single 7800GTX single gpu and FX-57 v Dothan and Ati single gpu .. it's Ali v Fraser ! I'm not sure who would win, probably the red corner aith Intel/Ati because it seems nvidia and AMD have two cold bugs between them at present. Which is rather unfortunate.
Surely a FX at 3600+ and 7800GTX at 675-700/1400 would be too much for Dothan and X800/850 though ?
I know which is cheapest though :) apart from that I cannot make up my mind who would win at present, there are just not enough data points go by.
Regards
Andy
Dothan will own 2001 for single card. 46k is possible on one card with pentium m and x800 and is still my ultimate goal. I really can't see an fx/single7800gtx doing that, even with the lame lod tweaks. Maybe OPP can prove me wrong, but I doubt it :). FX doesn't have the system power to compete.
Looks like opp hit 47k with sli and that was on water but doesnt look like the orb supports the 7800 yet Get cracking dude
46K? Hmm, that I'd like really like to see KP.
I'm sure he'll get right on that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
What a great result K|ngP|n :slobber:
This one of the best 3Dmark2001 scores I ever see and the # 1 on 2001 by far - for me those SLI scores based on nature and drago don't count ..
That's why I received this toys to try to join you at the top in Ricky's cascade :D
i wish we can get competive oc on cascade, but i'm apreensive, ln2 is very colder
kingpin, exelent scores :toast:
Nice. It looks like the race to break 45k on single card is on. Its going to be a close battle. If ricky and pedro put that dothan & vid card under their cascade, Kingpin will have a hard time stopping them. BTW, cascades are better because while u r running the benchmark, u dont have to refill the cpu-container.
Kingpin did you manage to get hold of a P4GD1, Dothan+7800GTX would be insane!
Kingpin, with regards to Win2k vs WinXP, one of us is doing something wrong. I tried Win2k this time around, and every test that I bothered to run was turning out like crap. My DL actually went down going from an X800 Pro to X800XT PE...
CH went from 150 to 146
DL went from 655 to 648 even with 4 pipelines more!
LL went from 478 to 452
And that's all I bothered to run. Both had MPS uniprocessor tweak, the standard registry tweaks and services killed. Gonna load up XP shortly and do some apples to apples comparos, but a 25 fps drop in LL is huge, and the drop looks closer to 40 fps in DL. Perhaps the story is different at stock speeds, dunno.
Dude, post your winxp score with the card a default clocks and the chip@ 200x13 5-2-2-2 120-64-00 and showing details for all tests. also list what drivers,dx combination you used for each OS.
Can't do 200x13, got a 730. :-/
Any other common data point we can pick?
WTF, I think I was wrong...something is really weird here, just went back into Win2k and now I'm scoring even higher than in XP in DL?
Never mind me, I'm a raving lunatic.
200x12 then, and post all details from the run in the score showing fps.
You were right about 2K all along, but I'll run em both just for kicks anyways.
Well, I'll never catch opp now, no way lol. Not with x850 or x800 anyways.
He has hit light speed.
Still going to keep hunting for 46k on x** single card...why not. I know it's possible, if not with this chip for sure with another. This setup was too fun, I can't put it down. The rest of my life has gone to shambles the last three weeks, but as long as the mobo keeps posting, I'm great :)
I still want to run some 01' with the x800 and a better chip.
x800 can handle about -140c or so, before it shuts off on me. I'll take it.
Thanx for the kind words guys. You and pedro were a big reason why I got into this stuff in the first place. Thanx for your contributions to the oc' community. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Ricky, your right man, ln2 is wayyyyyyy colder than cascade and these chips really really like the cold. My 760 uses all -183c load temps, I know that for a fact.
At max clocks,(3570mhz), if I loose track and temps rise to -178c or so, it crashes. But my chip isnt really all that great(compared to japs), if you guys get a really good one, temps won't matter as much.
Shoulda known better than to use this crap OS I guess :nono:
Something went wrong with the nature in XP, I have no idea what. But the rest of it is pretty self-explanatory, same timings that you listed. If the nature wasn't messed up, the car low would pretty much even them out. I tried it only 3 times, so there was probably plenty more left.
http://home.comcast.net/~gautamb/2kvsxp.JPG
Nice comparison, but it's not completely fair, as Win2K uses 8.1 and you have installed 9.0C on your WinXP partition. That skewers the results a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
i have a question for ya gautam.. here is my link 2k1 , why are our tests so different? is it from drivers?
This is true. However, to run dx8.1 in WinXP, you can't have SP2, which slows it down terribly. I guess it does add a third complication, but from the limited tests I've done at higher speeds, 2k wrecks XP so ridiculously I don't think there's any question its the OS to use. Now I've got no idea what I was doing wrong before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias-K
Looks like memory timings to me. I used 5-2-2-2, although the rest of the settings could've been far more agressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by rozzyroz
today i'v moded the board, this s all i can get from chip with asus cooler:
http://img270.echo.cx/img270/3458/26549qd.jpg
the mems can do 270 easy 2-2-2-5 course
i dont know if 2.65 is good on stock cooler
270 5-2-2-2 like this? :P This is on win2k and not tweaked at all really for pi:Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../101976229.jpg
This 770 appears to be a much better chip than my 760 initially. I can do 3500mhz+ now with 13 multi and monster bus speed @1.53vcore/3.6vdimm/1.8v agp.
The 760 needed 1.64v+ to run at 3500mhz+.
It also doesn't have any sort of cold bug below -160 like my 760 did. 760 could run at -184c, but could not post at that temp. ON this chip, I can reset the mobo at -184c, and it goes right to post in bios...then back into windows. 275x13 for 3d is starting to look real good guys.
Ricky...my 760 maxed around 2.7 or so using asus cooler. I never tested this 770 on air, right to ln2 for some quick benches.
Good work there guys, seems Intel speedbinned better they're chips.
Any chance anyone tries out p4gd1?
It's OK with the default heatsink......It's an average frequency of those chips......Most of them - if not all - can do from 2600 - 2800MHz.....I bet you can get a bit more if you feed it with less VCore......Let's say about 1.4 - 1.5V max..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
no, it dont go better with less vcore :( i'll make the v-core mod now and go put it on cascade i'll post results soon :)
Hmmmm...That's peaty....Anyways.......Have luck on your new toy......Greatings from Hellas..... :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
This chip is clocking great so far....
8m and 1m pi at 3610mhz+
Stability for 3d benching should be somewhere in between. :)
Not really optimized for pi at all and still 20 sec club for 1m....19sec soon.
1m was on win2k, 8m was on winxp:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../102243179.jpg
Third time I ever ran 8m pi:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../102245743.jpg
Sweet scores. :slobber: Ya also just grabbed the wr for 8M Super Pi. The one listed is at 4min 20 sec. :toast: :toast:
Great clocks there kingpin! That is going to give some killer 3D system speed :D
did you ever try how far it goes w/ air?
harleybro, its a very good 8M but not quite the 8M record.
The 8M ranking can be found here and The Stilt has the record at 3m45sec. Dothan record is 4m 02sec.