As much as I hate to say it, even though this is XS and most people here are pretty respectable, competition has a way in bringing out the worst in people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
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As much as I hate to say it, even though this is XS and most people here are pretty respectable, competition has a way in bringing out the worst in people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
that goes without saying (even for a skeptic like me) I have faith in most people..... but it only takes one turd to mess it up for everyone else. ;)
Aighty ... we also want conclusive proof that someone is cheating, not just a hunch. Kick+Ban on a hunch isn't a good policy ;)
So I think we might want to not use benches that can be cheated on, to avoid the problem completely...
if only people would stop cheating... :(
since suprpi is the only bench with a way to verify the results, a checksum, i think we should go for that bench... what do you guys think?
and yes, if somebody manipulates the results he will get disqualified and most likely banned from xs, im going to check with the other admins to see what they think.
3DMark01
3DMark03
3DMark05
AquaMark03
Super_Pi [Mod]
And our final benchmark: UMark + UT2004 Demo :)
http://unrealmark.net/
ut2004-demo3334.exe
Official Botmatch Bencmark + Official Flyby Benchmark @ 1024x768 (for compatability among members here :))
"UMark and UMark online implement several security measures to help prevent cheaters from modifying their benchmark scores. This will help ensure that the scores on UMark Online are all fair, and it may be possible to hold benchmarking contests."
Here's the catch. To upload results you have to be a member and membership is $8.99. So here's what I propose. One person, mod, judge, is responsible for checking results. We, the benchers, run both tests until we get our final result, and then save it as a .umark results file named properly. IE: [LilGator.Botmatch.umark] and [LilGator.Flyby.umark] ... upload as an attachment in our results post, and the judge grabs the .umark, loads it into his copy of Umark and verifies the result.
Theoretically, of course, I'm going to test this out now to make sure it works as I stated. :)
hmmm imma contact them and ask if they can let us use it for free and in return we promote it or something :)
:thumbsup:
yeah, thx man :)
eesh, I just grabbed the ut2004 demo @ 3.5MB/sec ... yeah megaBYTES :D lol
It's an older engine that runs very fast on most hardware. [OpenGL right ?] Not sure there is a definite advantage of nVidia over ATi ...
i think it was faster on ati first, but the recent benches i saw of it showed nvidia was slightly faster. but its minimal, and if it matters we can make ati and nvidia categories, but in the overall field we should be able to iron out any preferences of single benches for one piece of hardware and get an idea of the overall performence.
in benchmarks!
not in real life! if hardware performs well in benchmarks it means just that, its fast in benchmarks, it doesnt mean its fast in real life apps :D most people forget about that
Mmmkay, just tested it out. If we can't get into the online results system, it can work as I showed above, having a judge. I saved a couple .umark files, loaded them, and could verify bench settings of the test, FPS and final score as well as machine info such as CPU/Video/RAM so we could make sure it was run on the same system.
A few bugs/possible cheats ... someone help me out here and see if you come to the same conclusion.
1) If you hit escape and exit real quick after it starts benching, it will go back to Umark and give you FPS and results. Does it check if it was aborted, or completed the entire test ?
2) If you hit escape and leave the menu up during the test, do you get higher FPS ?
I think that the whole ATI/nVidia/AMD/Intel catigories is a bad idea, because in real grand prix's (sp? sorry for the real world comparo, I hate them too) there are different manufactures. but the pipes/cooling thing is like different classes.
p.s. 59XX series are 4 pipes right?
I really don't care what benches we run :D There is no way to please everyone and as long as everyone is running the same benches.. who cares? :toast:
Are we going to be able to use different operating systems for different benches? Or do you have to stick to one?
yay im pumped for this. Got my processor up to 2.55 very stable just today, and did a little Airconditioner mod this week, I should be able to bench at the caazc's brick wall of 2.6 and hopefully my Video card will benefit from the 18C degree ambient Idle temps :)
Ohhhh yea. My new 660 is arriving just in time it seems!
superpi 32m yes or no? since it can be validated.
UT2004 in OpenGL or D3D? Nvidia should prefer OpenGL, but will it be allowed?
Whens the competition gonna start guys unless its stated somewhere in this thread in which case i missed it...
Have a slight problem, in that from ~ the 28th of June, 1/2 of my pc will be the other side of the country as I'm heading home for a bit. The P4C, doth, BH5 and booster are coming back, however the 9800pro isnt. If I run some benchmarks on the 9800 while its here, and submit later will that be ok? If everythigs run before then thats not a problem :)
UT2004 is direct X, i've got a couple of things i'd like to point out in that, i dont see how were gonna divide it into fair categorys, because if you do it by video card this doesnt take into account the CPU etc.. and vice versa, as much as i like the idea i dont think everyones gonna be on a level playing field, for example with LOD how are we gonna know if the nvidia users have/havn't used LOD on their benchs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fission
any os is fine :) you can change it just as you can change the drivers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
read the rules thread, no date set yet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
hmmm theres no way to see if it was opengl or d3d and since we cant control it it would be stupid to try to restrict it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fission
so i guess opengl or d3d, whatever scores better for you, so ogl for nvidia and d3d for ati... IF we pick ut2004 :D
that snot an argument against ut2004, nvidia people can use lod tweaks in all benches afaik :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
added all the questions to the competition rules :)
UT2004 can be run in OpenGL, and at least for me, that is far faster than running it in D3D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
ok so on the future mark benchmarks we have to use futuremark aproved drivers but what bout aquamark ? ive never run that are there aquamark aprooved drivers or something ? if not are you going to specify what driver/s we can and cannot use ?
about the categories:
I think it is somewhat unfair for people with PhCh to compete against LN2 or cascades , so maybe we should have these categories:
Air / Water / PhCh / Unlimited
Also I think that chilled water should fall under PhCH because to chilled water is usually maybe by PhCh techniques and has about the same cooling capacity
just one last question bout drivers then im done i promise. what if mid contest new drivers are WHQL certified can we then use them ? in my opinion i think it should be set to the latest WHQL drivers at the begining of the compition, but thats just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
I vote for just Fm approved drivers. With 71.89's i score about 10900 in 3d03 but with the 76.xx which are whql certified i can do about 11500 without even trying. I think that they are lame point boosters and that only Fm approved should count since only those would let you show up in the default search settings on the orb.
Hey Sider ;) u still ain't broke 80k???
hehe
Yeah, think splitting water vs better water seems a little OTT, and really lumpling all phase wouldn't bother me either, even though I'll lose :rolleyes:
Seems like a temp split would be far better, though temps are subjective a lot of the time, no way to prove 'em, but categories based on temp ranges would be fairer...
40+, 0-40, 0 - (-40), -40 - -whatever...
More divisions would be better but even more awkward...
Just my :2cents:
Good idea maybe, but impossible to regulate I think...
Gray
That sounds eerily familiar ... :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilWhiteDragon
;)
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Originally Posted by Troman
well why not just use the newest unless there are some known bugs with them. i definatly like the fixed driver idea so no one is put at a disadvantage because they dont search around for drivers. another posibility would be to have people test out a few different aproved privers for each brand and see wich ones are most stable so we are all working on known stable drivers so theres no way to say its not fair my drivers wernt stable enough to overclock on i coulda got higher.
I think thats the whole point of the competition is to tweak and find the best drivers for your setup and benchmark. I dont think we should limit it to a certain driver, however I do think we should limit to only manufacturers' drivers as in nvidia and ati no omega or anything else. I just spent the whole day with new gear and finding out which ati driver is best for my x600 in 01 dont tell me thats for nothing :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades
i did the same thing for 03 and 01 before i asked if we could use any driver :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
Hey saaya read this in the registration thread..."(XS Staff and Company Reps cant win anything, they are however welcome to join the competition for fun and to show some impressive results )"
Does this include me and the rest of the news staff? or just owners and mods?
I say that drivers should be FM approved to use for 3d01/3d03/3d05.. that way if a couple of us are going for records while doing this competition we wont be cut out of the competition ;)
not that drivers should really matter.. cheats are usually easy to spot and some drivers are known to have optimizations in them they shouldnt have.
What about adding a suicide mhz to the score? mmm ?
I don't see how that would work if they are going to run Intel and AMD together in the same class. Most of the AMD's can't match the stock mhz of some of the Intels even on phasech. I'm all for it though :D since we won't get PCmark04 which Intel is good at. Take a look at the entries, overwhelmingly AMD systems; I don't think you will see many benches make it that favor Intel. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonhk
well An Athlon X2 will beat intel in PCmark I think, so ..Quote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
And about the MHz shots , if we want to do that we'll have to find aa way to make it fair, maybe by doing something like this for AMD:
your MHz/4000*100= Score
and for intel:
your MHz/6500*100= score
or something like it
divide cpu mhz by GPU mhz just for fun maybe, but not overall score.
So you want a really high CPU clock, and a really low GPU clock ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
what about the KNOWN LOD tweaks and everything like that? after the last competition alot of people will know how to utilize them and bias this competition.
yes.
However P4's have an advantage if CPU mhz are divided by GPU mhz.. thats what would make this tricky and not really measureable...
right, bit of a problem here, now i agree that only approved drivers should be used, however i cant enable 8 pipes on my 9800se with any of the approved drivers, so i used the patched ones from techpowerup.com, so whats my options? use the card as an SE with 4 pipes? or will i be allowed to use the techpowerup drivers to enable 8 pipes and make it a pro, i guess i could flash it to a pro as i know the 8 pipes work thus allowing me to use approved drivers, but i'd much rather just softmod it
Jamo, I imagine using the softmod on an approved driver would be just fine.
yheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :p:
I re-installed my intere GPU cooling, and replaced all PCM with arctique Ceramique
Before I ran my GPU @ 425MHZ RHTDRBL -artifact free this was with relativly normal weather. Not hot,not cold
Now today as a heatwave appears to role over belgium (yhea heatwave and belgium in the same scentence, never knew that could happen) I get 430MHZ.....
This is great, I image, if I can get my case cooled enough with the room blower I might be able to reach 440 or 450 again perhaps. This is just great. Who knew a checkup and some new PCM could do that much :D
i've tryed this, but futuremark still doesnt approve it, so i think it realises part of the driver has been modified, i heard there was a patch script for rivatuner but havnt found this yet.....had a 6800 and a pair of 6600's till last week so a little out of practise with ATI, does ATI allow LOD tweak? might not be as much as nvidia but i guess i might as well use it cos it seems everyone else likes fiddling with thier LOD, uptill now i havnt but i might as well jump on the bandwagon....Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
gonna be a good grand prix this guys, cant wait, have the final categorys been decided yet?
ATi's do not allow for LOD
hmm, thats pretty lame, this is why i shyed away from it when i had nvidia cards, but now everyone seems to be using it so i guess its 'legit'
LOD has been in use since the first nVidia cards.
I dont agree with it, but everyone uses it, so to be competative in the nVidia class most everyone keeps using it.
so defenitly ATI <-> Nvidia classes also
I going to be trying hard for the A xp peeps
2850mhz + mxp power lolol looking to take some scalps lol
Hmm..SuperPi the CPU Benchies the only ones where i'll realy excell 25Secs in Pi and they arn't gonna count much anymore :( ahh LOL ;)
dam, if I only had my Dual Xeon rig already. I imagen when OC'd to the fullest it can whoop some butts or 2 also :)
Bring on the renderbenches :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :woot: :woot:
Is there a planned start date just all I have heard were estimates. I waiting on a couple things. A VC RMA is it okay if it comes midway thru the 1st week of the competition. Also waiting and my redline idk if itll be here by the end of the 1st week would it be alright to start using it the 2nd week or can the mem not be swapped out during the competition?
no mem swap.
You can change your entry rig already with your redline and all. Which off course means you can't begin benching untill mid-end 1st week but yhea .... no other way
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Normally the contest begin next week I think
You guys are killing me :p: Just sent GPU out today sent it 2-3 day prioty newegg will prolly start RMA monday finish wednesday package and ship it should be at my house either next friday or the following monday, if its monday I'm screwed :(
humans don't understand ....
Xtreme OC'rs, now THEY understand such things :)
Hitting serious delays with my Dothan CPU being shipped...
'In Stock'...yeah right... :rolleyes:
Guess I'll have to go back and update my entry...
Will be tough running the cpu stock, but the mobo on the 24/7 rig is awful...
Have to see if I can find something up my sleeve for a cpu for this fine P4C800-E I have here...I have a 3.4 P4 'loaner' if the owner don't mind it going under the Chilly1 for a little while...
No way will I have all the vmods to the card done by then either :(
I just need 2 weeks...*sigh*
Will update tomorrow with a final rig I guess, just not what I wanted :( :(
Gray
hmmm yes if i finally get my adata i will try to get some nice scores...maybe a friend will give me his xt pe for the run (my 6600GT is too low)
but i will be on a holyday trip for the next 2 weeks :/
DFI Ultra-D just died :( Hope I can get it back in time 3rd thing to RMA this week :mad:
thats the downside of buying at the egg and all. If I buy my mobos here in the local shop, I pay €10 more but if they have the board in stock (if they don't it takes them max 3 workdays) I just bring my board in and immediatly get a new one ...
Sorry guys I'm going to have to drop out completely...
All of my hardware is going for vmodding middle of the next week, and I'll have nothing to work with until the week after...
Sorry, I'll have to get in on the next one, just poor timing on my part :(
Cheers
Gray
quick question.
im on chilled wc right now. my temps are not subzero, around 7-10C range so technically its not phase change. what class am i in? im going to setup a chiller later and go subzero, but if i can sneak into the wc class ill keep my rig as it is. dont want to have to take on vapos.
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Originally Posted by sam3755
Are you below ambient temps and how are you chilling the water?
Yeah im below ambient temps, but thats not phase change. I use ice for benchmarking (which I guess would be phase change), but day to day I use chilled water from the fridge, my coolant temp is around 2-3C. So again, technically its not phase change, its like putting your computer in the fridge and reducing ambient temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Acid-
That could work, But it need to count more not a measly 80points, SuperPi counts like 9000points or so for us.. so Suicide shot needs to count about a few thouhsand.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilWhiteDragon
like this for AMD:
your MHz/80*100= Score
and for intel:
your MHz/130*100= score
? :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
I think people are waiting to hear about prizes but personally i dont care either way.
troman I honestly don't think another week will do much good for the registrations but it's nice. Now a lot of people get more time to do some more extensive maintenance on their rig and to mod some stuff :)
I might have a good GPU then great hope the new 9800se aiw soft mods 100% like the last one.
New cooling tower too maybe
good for you acid :)
Hope we can get this show on the road good :p:
I am mainly in it for fun but wouldn't mind winning something either :( ;)
Me too my friend I going to fly the m-xp banner with pride I cannot afford the best stuff so i push what i have to the max and try to make everything i can run faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity_Razer
after reading the rules, I got confused so...
SLI-yes or no?
That's great news :)
My new X800 is here, and as soon as the dothan and CT-479 arrive, they'll be off for the mods! I hope I'm fully prepped for it, but either way I'm still in :D
Gray
as far as i understand u can use sli u just cant use a 6800gt one benchmark then an x800xt for anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by A Scream
Yeah, I know what you mean. Still, I intend to push the XP-M brigade, and hopefully beat a few with my "Lowly" DLT3C 1700's ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by -Acid-
Methinks this'll revive a few Socket A systems.
Gonna mod my Vdimm to 3.3v on my NF7 specially for this as well (Better not screw it up then, or I'm reduced to a crappy Gigabyte RX and 2x256 TwinMOS that won't do 202Mhz :slap: )
Oh, If I nuke a processor (DLT3C 1700 0308), can I replace it with a DL3TC 1700 0310, or a DUT3C 1700 0314???
ive got a problem though...
I cant even complete aquamark at stock... :(
Ivce tried an OS reinstall, several diff driver sets, etc...
I'll try to work this out though. :)
I'd like to see a "competing with all cooling stock" catagory. LOL :) Brings out the maximum tweaking someone can do.
My x700 already does 550/630 stock everything :slobber:
i've actually managed to exploit this-- and grab a screenie.. posted it a long time ago as a joke-- 555555fps. :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
:toast:
What do you score in 05'Quote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
im going to buy zalman for my cpu which one are good for my 6600gt?
hey pc mark 04 and 05 are going to be ?
hmm.. been so long I forget what I got.. ive never really liked 03 and o5 too much.. too GPU dependent... and It seems I keep forgetting to submit it.. ill have one soon tho. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
[QUOTE=InSanCen]Yeah, I know what you mean. Still, I intend to push the XP-M brigade, and hopefully beat a few with my "Lowly" DLT3C 1700's ;)
Bring it on mate my m-xp V you magic xp 1700 we can have are own little battle in are table, I,m looking to slay fat a64 tho , maybe a few fx51 too
will there be any way to submit a score if you aren't near your computer for the one-week time window or could a score be submitted in advance? I'm interested in competing in this, but i don't have a block of like 6 weeks in which i'm in town at least once a week.
Yea there should definitely be considerations made due to time of season and families taking vacations...though I may try and stay home this year and have LANs and parties :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bloody_Sorcerer
Just checking but you did use the patch right?Quote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
Cool ;) should be a laugh. I know i can pull 2.6 outta this chip, and who knows what I can get after I mod the Vdimm (Mabye not much more, but I'm gonna put the mod on a switch so I can turn it off for 24/7)Quote:
Originally Posted by -Acid-
I've not clocked this card yet either.
Oh, if you look at this,
http://www.weescott.co.uk/overclocking.asp
check out 10th place in the XP section (non-m)... that's with the backup chip... the main chip is the one from 4th place :D
(I haven't posted there in a while due to Draconian sig rules... so it's not the fastest this has been)
just fired a warning shot accross your bow then mate and posted on ocuk link (i,m 7th in m xp) what my chip is running at atm stable,
3100mhz will fall soon tho :p
this is getting better woot woot
http://www.weescott.co.uk/overclocking.asp
patch for aquamark? That could be the problem then. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by harleybro
Man :rolleyes: I somehow corrupted my HD two days ago, I'd boot to login screen then hang. Tried all sorts of things, even flashing my 6800u back to original bios...didnt matter. So...had to reformat completely which really stinks :nuts: Anyway I'm over it...which is nice :cool: , so I'm here downloading a bunch of stuff in anticipation of the Grand Prix.
Going with 01, 03, 05, Aqua3, SPImod1.4...what am I'm forgetting? This should be cool, hopefully there will be tons of catagories :) Anyone know if they will split the sockets up? Or just single channnel/dual...ddr/ddr2, something like that? :woot:
I am going out of town for the first two weeks in august which is right in the middle of the competition. I was wondering if whatever scores are needed during the time I am away can be submitted and ran during a time that I am actually in town? While I am away I will have no access to my benching rig and most likely not even an internet connection.
Gryph
i will also be out of town for part of the time so i will need to submit some scores in advance
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Originally Posted by Gryph
hey Gryph ..... just drop it off to me on the way out of town i'll borrow/bench & post for ya ....... just a few miles north :D ..... i'll try not to use any of the parts on my Fatality set up :rofl:
I am tempted to actually enter in this Pentium 2 I only have.
Wonder how badly i'd do :P
Btw, is it okay to enter Pentium 2 and PCI card? :D
NOTE: Dead serious here. Only because my K8N-E Deluxe board hates me.
Hey i put my Pentium 2 file server/firewall/download box against it
*might* have to enter a 9500NP @ pro as the 9800pro seems to be maxing with the crappy PSU on the Dothan.... taking this will affect the class the system is entered into, will it still be competitive though?
Darn.... I think im going to have to enter in watercooling even though my system isnt set up yet. If i watercool my cpu and air cool my gpu what catagory will it be put in? watercooling?.. that wouldnt seem very competitive or fair ><
Yep, you would be under watercooling, otherwise it isn't fair for people with only aircooling. I'm in the same boat, but i won't have a cpu waterblock, just gpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timothy730
If thats gonna be the case we need to set guidelines for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
i'm in the process of my building my next rig but will probably be 1/2 way thru this competition before it done .. so i'll just stick with this one in my sig ... it's no slouch either way
next rig Abit Fatality Sli ~ 4000+ CH ~ VJ modded X800 will upgrade CPU & VGA as time and finances permit
Please, *NO* LOD Tweaks in the Nvidia Class... UGH!
FPS are no good is you've got crap quality... It's like having a ferrari engine with a Vauxhaull Nova Gearbox, Sounds great, but you aint gonna get anywhere quickly
I doubt ill be in this :rolleyes: Is there gunna be another grand prix sometime?
It doesn't look like I will be competing in the first week at least, I have one bad stick of RAM and other nagging issues. (even with only my good stick I get Driver_IRQL_not_less_or_equal BSOD every 4 minutes).