One was for sata rom, the other 2 can run system bios or other roms you may want at boot.The sata was integrated into board bios and they chose to ship with just 1 bios installed.
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One was for sata rom, the other 2 can run system bios or other roms you may want at boot.The sata was integrated into board bios and they chose to ship with just 1 bios installed.
lol overclockers need a second bios!
nice to have the option of having it!
Great, my specially designed motherboard cooling radiator will go to waste now. Seriously!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Best i can squeeze is 34k.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31755&stc=1
Memory bandwidth is about right for 260fsb with a sandiego which is similar to a clawhammer when it comes to what bandwidth the ram gives.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31760&stc=1
Thanks for dropping in :D
Actually a very nice way of doing it (given transient response and HF noise is handled) :toast: Are you running in the low 90s on efficiency for the two key regulators? And... I take it that's a 4-phase on the Vcore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Thanks for clearing that up ;)Quote:
There have been some questions regarding maximum currents that the board can deliver. The board as seen here is not configured to deliver full current capacity. It can and it does with different parts that fit on the same board.
Semi-understandable regarding samples (although isn't the intent to have them really shaken out?)Quote:
We saw no need to do so for engineering samples.
Two Qs if you would be so kind... do you have distributed HF bypass on the backside of the DIMM slots? How high did you run SI sims for the memory bus?
Peace :toast:
4 phase vcore. Board was designed with 4v vDIMM in mind which leads to many different considerations all of which are proprietary. As for the bypass I have to check into that.
As for eng samples, they are configured in the manner that they will most likely be sold.
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Originally Posted by EMC2
excellent :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Guess Tony and I don't need our 120mm fans over the board anymore LOL
Bigtoe, do you think you can see if the XP120 will fit properly on this board?
Thanks in advance.
Very important consideration for me as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saffire
In regards to this Board being cool, I h8 u people. LOL. I bought my CM stacker to tackle the heat issues of my DFI nF4 Ultra-D.
Now you are throwing my 'investment' down the drain
:slapass:
But seriously Great looking board! Looks like the CM stacker's crossflow fan will hit the RAM (well that closest to the edge at least).
Looking forward to seeing how this compares to DFI nF4 in benchies + Real World performance.
Does that mean there are no reasons to use waterblocks on the chipset and mosfets and that a simple heatsink will do even when overclocking? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
i would like to see the danger den mobo that we saw some time ago i want to see how well OC how much is going to cost and well if is better than dfi
I can't remember properly but I thought it was the same bord but with watercooling for the chipset and the mosfets. And since they now have mounting holes there you should be able to put any chipset WC block on it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
This is the same board. just the revB as they say;) I have asked DD for the blocks and I will try and show the water cooling fulling installed as soon as they arrive.Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
if you are pushing the board hard water cooling would be the best choice, it does not however get really hot like some boards/chipsets do....Quote:
Originally Posted by ettis
It looks really good!
i like it,
i got a unopened DFI board sitting in its box.......if this thing gets 1/2in. water blocks i am sold (granted it turns out a good board)
if the board gets released will the DD blocks be as well?
Sure they will, as far as I know they will be red, etc just like the prototypes.Quote:
Originally Posted by babyelf
Did you have a chance to ask about an ETA yet? ;)
Going from my Northwood > a 3500+ Venice on this would rock!
Nice color and specs! :D I would have liked to see a Pentium m (s479) model with Crossfire support;)
Looks very sweet indeed.
Couple questions:
1. Will this thing actually work with a 20pin psu with/without 24pin adapter? We all know some peeps had trouble with the DFI NF4 (although I don't.)
2. What's the onboard sound on this thing...is it the same ol' 850? I'd love to see a good enthusiast board with a VIA envy or at least something better than the 850...It's something i've been missing since my nf2 w/ SS...I always have lived with onboard sound...So i'm just curious. ;)
TIA Tony.
*breaks piggy bank*Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
They best be selling the whole lot as a package... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
ATI have licensed Intels Azalia HD audio chip :D Should sound sweet :DQuote:
Originally Posted by turtle
that sounds really good too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
W00000000T!!
if they sell the board together with the waterblocks, i´ll buy those! together with watercooled crossfire and a mach2 gt on the cpu there will be nice results.
and i also hope, there will be a nice soundchip ;)
What about the onboard VGA?
i think it's on another ATI chipset board.. not this one
This board features onboard VGA, both dsub and DVI are provided. I hear its as good as 9800 but i would have to check with ATI.Quote:
Originally Posted by ent
The onboard can be used with the external for a surround view if needed and as far as i know can be overclocked from bios.
Crossfire seemed to be missing the onboard VGA, but as you see from this bad zoom the board is VERY similar to the white grouper I have here apart from 2x16X slots all power regulation is the same.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31829&stc=1
Exciting times. I wonder if the release of the DFI version of this board will be close to the release date of the R520 GPU? If yes, I'm inclined to sell my current rig and start from scratch, except for my Mach II. Maybe the decision will come down to which new GPU comes out first. If the Nvidia 7800 is out first, stay with SLI, if R520 is out first, sell everything for a pair of cards and the DFI/ATI mobo. :confused: Tough call. Hard to begin to even guess which chipset/GPU combo will be on top by the end of this year. Safest thing to do would be to buy everything. :rolleyes:
Yes it does look like a cat threw up on that motherboard. :)
Much better color black is.
Yea I watched Sith last night :p:
white looks nicer.. =/
I haven't read the entire thread but what SB does it use the ULI one or the ATI?
Wondering which Ram works better with this borad, VX or TCCD? Starting to build a new rig, got my WC parts ordered, case waiting, X2 preordered, but can't decide on the memory, as it seems to have no problems supplying decen VDimm I can't decide if I stick with my TCCD or should go and get some VX.
WOW that would be great if it is. Then I can upgrade my CPU+mobo first and worry about a PCI-E graphics card later :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
here here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentVX
Anyway to get spacing between slots on the AMR version? This way I can start working on coolers. :D
lol DD custom red colour coolers :p
this seems to be a nice mobo, i wait to see bench comparatives with dfi nf4
The board features the new SB450. It has Azalia sounds and does sound very nice.
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Originally Posted by Highland3r
is watercooling in AMR feasible? The slots look awefully close to each other.
there's a custom DD watercooling for it.. look at best of amd section for the pic..
still no word on ETA? or did i miss it
Sweet...Finally the return of decent on-board for enthusiast amd systems... :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Thanks for the answer. It's appreciated. :)
Have you happened to try it with a 20pin psu? This board looks sweet, and I love my fortron...I'm hoping she can make it another cycle and become the oldest piece of still-used hw in my rig. ;)
As for the ETA, while I of course don't know anymore than anyone else...if both the crossfire and non-crossfire boards are fairly similar, you'd think they'd be released around the same time, that being late July or sometime August (as that seems to be when most companies are releasing their crossfire boards), with the non-xfire perhaps a little sooner.
On a side-note, any word on a on-board gpu board that's cross-fire compatible (using all three gpus), or is that the next-stage in (m)architecture with a different chipset?
Any word? And I take it no comment on the SI sim Q?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
But earlier you said....Quote:
As for eng samples, they are configured in the manner that they will most likely be sold.
Contradictory?? :confused:Quote:
There have been some questions regarding maximum currents that the board can deliver. The board as seen here is not configured to deliver full current capacity. It can and it does with different parts that fit on the same board. We saw no need to do so for engineering samples.
Whats the story with HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) in these chipsets? Yea or nay?
I looked it up: HDCP: High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection. Created by Intel, HDCP is used with HDTV signals over DVI and HDMI connections and on D-Theater D-VHS recordings to prevent unauthorized duplication of copywritten material.
But what does it really mean to the end user?
Also according to Anandtech these boards will not be out in June:
"Unfortunately, like most things ATI, OEM partners have told us that none of these 110nm chips will make their expected June ship date, which is probably why there aren't many details floating around yet"
Yea or nay?
Confused? Why? The board supports multiple footprint output stages. The engineering samples depicted are what will be available when the board goes to market. And what goes to market will already be very much overkill even for the hardcore overclockers. The board has been tested with other components to find the ultimate capacity of the board but with these parts cost would be prohibitive, even for an enthusiast mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
what about dual core support?
Because this commentQuote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
in regards to the Q surrounding capabilities of the board appeared to possibly be implying that it was only the engineering samples that weren't going to have the full capability :) Fog is gone now, planned capabilities in shipping configuration understood in that regard.Quote:
We saw no need to do so for engineering samples.
SI Q was result of layout... and to a lesser extent Tony's comment regarding TCCD OC'ing... speaking of which, can you say what the options are going to be for Interleave modes?
Peace :toast:
How powerfull is the onbaord video, If it's as around as good as the 9800pro I got then this is perfect jumping point for me to go pci-e. I can sell my current mother board and vid card and just pick up this motherboard and I'm back were I started and possibily with money still left in my pocket. :banana:
So any specs on the onboard video?
agreed!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
My guess would be probably about the same or bit worse than the x300se hypermemory.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
Agreed, anything more and I think you are dreaming :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squid_Spit
agreed again, unfortunately :(
wouldnt it be too stressful for the mobo to put something like a 9800pro class on it? I mean the power draw from such a color would heat up the mobo quite nicely and draw substantial amounts of power. Remember, the 9800pro did need an external molex to work properly.
It also has to fit/be part of the northbridge using the same bus so 9800 volt draw and required bandwidth = not in these times, maybe another 5 to 10 years
Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebo
Interleaving...now there is a good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
From the AMD docs there are 4 actual states of interleaving 2,4,8 node and off, there are also a few reserved options as usual. Now i asked that all 4 or maybe more if they actually do anything be options in bios. The reason for this is they greatly effect speed, but they also greatly effect overclocking.
Now i know DFI have applied some tricks to interleaving to retain high clocks, they may use 2 node only which would probably explain why it is actually off with 2 single sided dimms, so...i asked ATI to offer all working options so you can decide just how you want to set the board to do.
The bios is still engineering, more can be added as needed, there are lots of tweaks still to be discovered on the amd memory controller and im sure we will see most of them featured on Grouper.
wow.. that will be nice.. so still no ETA? :)
hurry up and get the board to market, my saleable organs only have so many years left on them!!! :D
hmm but dont they have mother boards for laptops that have 9700pros built in? :confused:
Heres a qwike google of "laptop 9700"
http://www.gen-x-pc.com/note_CL5620C.htm
Now its a ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 Now the mobility part of it mean follows a four pixel-pipeline design, instead of 8 and performance wise its closer to a 9600xt, but this was last christmas or more, don't we have better by now and power draw doesn't really matter on desktops so they can built it for more power, and we all remeber the heatsinks on the 9700pro and 9800s they went exaclty massive, the 9700pro had such a werid and bad heatsink design, im sure they could make it work. At least on the amd's they don't have the memory controller on the nb so thats some extra space... and with smaller process... come on is it at all possible?
yup.. if they took the technology from laptops that allows upgradeable GPU's and applied it to desktop boards (and graphics boards!) the world would be a better place.. and probably the GPU market too ;)
Unforunately it looks like i'll have to settle for x300se -ish performance until I can save up cash for a "proper" pci-e video card once I get my hands on this board.
In your linky it states 128MB "dedicated" video memory, that means (dedicated) it has a seperate card :)
Hmm, i tried to find out if it was a card or not but I guess it would take more time and its late, But ive seen onboard video that has its own onboard ram to.
Dual core works fine and overclocks really nice on this board. :D
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Originally Posted by situman
Water cooling is possible. We tried Danger Den and Swiftech X850 waterblocks and they both fit. In fact a phase cooled CPU at 3.4GHz and dual volt modded and water cooled cards hit over 13500 in 3DMark05. With the Danger Den blocks/pump/rad either of the cards was slightly over ambient on the backside of the ASIC. And that's running both cards off of one system. It works really well.
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Originally Posted by situman
20 pin PSUs work fine. We have tried Enermax 465W supplies and have found no problems with them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
I guess the confusion is that what you guys are seeing as engineering samples are really just samples of the final boards. The "real" engineering samples will never really be seen by anyone outside of the engineering team.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
Onboard video has the same display quality and output features as a 9800 class product. However the 3D capabilities are more inline with an X300 class product. Having 9800 class 3D performance in an integrated gfx product would be very cost prohibitive.
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
In the case of the laptop above, that's correct, dedicated means that it's frame buffer only memory which is obvious since there's an external gfx device. However that's not always the case, for example, the Radeon Xpress 200 also supports dedicated frame buffer memory. That is, memory which is connected to the northbridge and is only used for graphics. In this case, none of the system memory (nor system memory bandwidth) is sacrificed for graphics use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
no ETA? =/
Not to sound like an arse.. but my X2 4400 is preordered and so I'll be looking for a motherboard this month - along with a gfx card (although an X800XL looks on the books to span until the R520 iteration 2 cards arrive :D). Current option is the DFI.
So the key question is - when will I be able to have this installed and in my machine? :stick:
Also preordered BF2 :D
Same here, X2 4400+, Bf2 preordered. Waiting for this Board.
So it can be done :D
Has anybody asked for the estimated price? Can't see it :stick:
Will there be support for nvidia SLI option or will only ATI crossfire work ? Cause I know it is technicaly possiblebut will the nvidia driver support it or not ? I really wants to know this because I'm going to buy a new mainbord CPU and GFX but the ati r520 won't be out i time from what i've heard, so I was thinking of the nvidia 7800GTX but I also want to ber able to make a sli setup from it.
Looks great, except i don't really trust ati with their drivers.. especially Linux drivers :( Any idea if linux will support all the hardware on this board without using closed source drivers?
Does this board use a ULI or ATI Southbridge ?
Thanks.
any eta on sapphire white board i just love it :slobber:
Yes it will have support for Nvidia SLI when we discover life on Pluto and sit down with the Plutonians for a friendly game of Texas Holdem. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilWhiteDragon
pretty
i don't think it will work because u need a bridge for SLI to work.. and in this case.. the bridge will have to be 3 inches long lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EvilWhiteDragon
nVidia SLI could also be done through the slots with some work... the connector is somewhat of a gimmick depending on the bandwidth nVidia is using.
are any other companies set to release a Grouper based board? I've seen DFI shots, Sapphire of course, how about Abit, ASUS, MSI? Not that it seems we need to look any further than this Sapphire, but it's nice to know options exist.
This would be useful to know too. Although the ATI is an unknown but we know the rumour of the ULI being buggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Anyone have a link about the ULI bugginess?
Anyclue on eta?
Link : :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NickK
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432&p=8
Sapphire is the only board designed this way, we have to rely on the design engineers to come up with their own takes although i hear the RD480 Board may be more closely copied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qkjhfhaiguihfma
Cheers - I'll just eat my hat lol. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
ATI rumoured as buggy, ULi appears stable.
From my limited experience with ATI chipsets (AsusP4R800-VM ??) VERY buggy, slow POS so I would hope they have learned a thing or two sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by NickK
...Not to nag or anything, but is the ETA out on this board yet? I'm upgrading within the next few weeks, so it would nice to know..
Seems like it would be easier to get the nuclear weapon's code than an ETA for this board :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
i believe july/august was said a while ago.. not sure tho..
Great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
That made me decide to go with this motherboard.
Hated the idea to not be able to use my 20 pin PC Power & Cooling in the DFI NF4.
Hopefully the board hits the retail channels in a couple of months, I´m in desperate need of a new rig.
Ah bah! That's way too long to wait. Oh well, I'll just get the DFI Ultra-D in the meantime, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dissolved
Hey all,
first post :banana: time to stop being a lurker. Although one of my burning questions has been answered: I can use my 20 pin true control 550 :D . no one else here seems to be asking this one: will the azalea audio be able to output dolby digital or dts that a home theater setup will be able to receive? If it does i'd swear this board was custom made for me.
oh yeah and is that board as uv reactive as one might think?
Yes it will have support for Nvidia SLI when we discover life on Pluto and sit down with the Plutonians for a friendly game of Texas Holdem.
And why so much scepticism? ATI cards work in NF2/3/4 boards just fine. What's the big deal about SLI not working on this one if nVidia bothers to make the drivers for it
Yes Grouper has support for Dolby Digital. It has an optical output buried inside the audio connector. With the appropriate cable you can feed this into the optical in of a home theater receiver.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7he]-[0rr0r
I love the looks...kinda... It has a wierd look but I like it, the idea of red with white parts said above sounds really good though. VTT in the BIOS :woot: I can't wait to play with this board.