I'm going to be very :mad: if it gets moved until after I leave the US. I'll probably have to cancel and wait until next year. Lets just hope its here before July 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
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I'm going to be very :mad: if it gets moved until after I leave the US. I'll probably have to cancel and wait until next year. Lets just hope its here before July 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
yeah me too, I'm here in us until 29:th june, so hopefully it will be here by then, if not...well..I'm going to be very mad too
They Arrived!
http://www.oregonstate.edu/~dinsmorj/a64x2.jpg
http://www.oregonstate.edu/~dinsmorj/a64x2cpu.jpg
Way To Go TigerDirect!
care to part with one of them? ;)
Boxed X2 line in stock:
http://www.pchardware4u.com/productlist.aspx?cid=119
I talked them on the phone today, they had no X2's In-Stock and didn't know when they'd be receiving them......... :cool: Of course they did apologize for the misleading "In-Stock" labeling on their web site........... :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by terrace215
Well doesn't this suck. Got the 4800 delayed until the 6-24 (maybe) and now I find the A8N-SLI Premium released today at ZipZoomFly..... The damn box is built, cooling is leak tested and hanging in place, and now I have another choice to make. :) :) Guess I've got plenty of time to rebuild the new build, so I guess I'll go for it...... :woot:
The TigerDirect link shows the X2s as Retail (with fan) but those pics seem to be OEM? Also it still doesnt say they are in stock. Perhaps they diverted (or had diverted) a couple intended for systems?
Strange that they ship whereas others are pushing back ETAs
Is that the extent of the packaging? No shiny black box like retail Venice, Winchesters etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
if only I had the money at this time
The problem is it is backordered everywhere. People have recieved the items from Tiger Direct but that does not mean new orders would get here before Monarch. I'm just sticking where I am since I'm near the top of thier list (ordered within 1 hour after posting on May 31st).
Eric
wonder how many they recieved?(monarch).Im 25th(4400+) on the list and have recieved it is being processed now.. :banana:
dabs.com in the uk just listed them, £390 for the 4400+ like komplett and much cheaper than ocuk and others in the uk. The 4400+ DID say 10 on order in stock 1-2 days. i ordered one straight away, not sure how many will have been pre-ordered by now.
How do you know your 25th? What time was it on may 31st when you ordered? I assume you had to have ordered the opening day to be 25th on the list. If this is what you recieved its not ready yet:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit1
Thank you for choosing Monarch Computer Systems, Inc. ("Monarch Computer"). Your order has now been submitted to the warehouse for
processing. From this point, please refer to the following processing times prior to shipment:
Parts: 1-2 business days
Combos: 1-3 business days
NOTE - out of stock components may delay the shipping of your order. If the item(s) on your order are out of stock, your order will
not be scheduled for shipping until we have received and processed the backordered inventory in our warehouse.
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/outofstock
Overclock are meant to be expecting them in tomorrow (17th) from the looks of things:
http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/home.php?cat=779
Don't you hate companies who post "In Stock" when it clearly isn't? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by terrace215
This is turning out to be another case of announcing products that they simply can't deliver yet. What a let down. :(
I ordered OEM, and that is how TigerDirect sends OEM CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by [timko]
Don't hold your breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitestorm
I would not expect retail boxes to start showing up MAYBE until next week or the next.
ewitte,you are correct.Just got off the phone with them and there are good hopes of another batch(larger) coming in perhaps on the 24th.Dont hold me to it,i am just relaying what they said.ALL retailers that have recieved any,including monarch,recieved a VERY small batch of assorted x2 cpus.
I got very lucky somehow:)
if overclock have given a specific close date they have already shipped to overclock, simple as that. if it was ocuk you could take a 2 day stock warning to mean anything from 2 days to 4 months with lots of, "ooppps, they got held up in customs" in the forums. i'm not sure when the post on news on overclock went up think yesterday which means they are arriving tomorrow i'd expect them to ship tomorrow. tis always possible they will actually get held up in customs, but thats a 1-2 day delay.
funny, ocuk claim to be tight with nvidia, ati, amd, intel everyone and always say they will without doubt have the first stock of everything in the uk, never ever seen that to be the case though :p
as it goes i hope mine from dabs gets shipped tomorrow.
That sucks. Maybe I lost out the 10 minutes I was frantically looking for my credit card. I guess an hour after they posted it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit1
Eric
Monarch lists the X2 4200+ and 4600+ as "in stock" right now.
4800+ ETA 6/24, 4400+ ETA 6/30
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=AMDdc
Newegg also has the 4600+ in stock right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103541
Of course, the 4400+ is the best buy, and probably has the most backorders and ongoing demand.
Is there still going to be a ~ 6/24 shipment for those that already ordered? I see 6/30 on their website now!! Is that just because 6/24's have already been sold? If it ships on the 30th I don't have time to ebay my 3700+. If its even 1 day after that the order will have to be cancelled :slapass: Just sent 2nd "question about order status":
Are there any confirmations on the first shipment of 4400+'s from AMD? I'm assuming I am part of the first batch since I ordered almost immediately the day it was posted (5/31). Are there still any going out around 6/24? The date online now says 6/30. If I'm not going to be able to recieve it by the 4th I will need to cancel the order.
They mentioned they were hopeful to get a decent batch in by 24th that would at least cover orders till now.fingers crossed for you guys,, :)
4400 in stock at newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103542
~Fizz
I have a feeling that the 4400+ and 4800+ will be in very limited supply for a while perhaps due to the fact the core is the same as DC Opterons and they will get priority.
Newegg has the 4400+ right now........ Here :toast: :toast:
Probably true. Particularly the 4400+, that being the X2 "part to buy" due to cache and price and o/c potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
Coming from a FX55, I'm a little leary as to how high the 4400 will clock compared to a 4800. When do you think egg will get some 4800's?
all newegg's seem to be CCBWE 0519 steppings.
In Japan the 4800+ has been delayed until July but that is just retail I think.
Whoa, nice $100 price gouge.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
Its listed at like $590. How is $639 a $100 price gouge? Also reading some of Tank Guys comments these chips tend to make them like less than $5. So $639 would be about $50 over what they pay. These places want to make money :) If you want to see price gouges wait until its been OOS for months and everyone raises the price to like $800! Its all supply and demand. With low stock and high demand prices go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Eric
Then don't buy it............Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
He's already got two X2 CPUs as of yesterday...Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=103
:)
I actually bought AMD stock two days ago, no way I am buying this 4400. But if people are willing to pay this extortion price I am going to earn on the stock, so far (two days only) I am up $300. Keep up the fever. :banana:
Sell it when it hits $600 and get a 4400+ ... think of it as a free CPU ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
You know I started building my own systems like 7-8 years ago with AMD processors because I could buy $40-60 CPU that could keep up with Intel's best. Now the last CPU I bought costed me $332. I am wondering how stupidly I was drawn into this over the years. Actually mostly in the last year. I am thinking AMD must be doing good as long as this fever stays but I am thinking of investing in Intel too just to cover my butt. :D
Your having better luck. Maybe if I don't see anything by the 24th I will call. My email responses so far basically tell me to watch the ETA on the website. The latest:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit1
The only thing I can tell you is to check back on the website for the most current ETA. When it says in stock then inquire about your status at that point we will be able to assist you in getting it as soon as possible. Thank you.
looks like newegg sold out of the 4400+ already.
The price you're quoting is for retail CPUs. Wait until Newegg starts selling retail 4400+ for $700.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
I have found one place "in stock" but OVER $700 for the 4400+.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Eric
Fry's Electronics already has the price sticker up for the 4400+ at $599 OEM, they expect them by the end of the month!
C
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24048Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
:eek:
Not exactly difficult to sell out when they receive in the most case single digit quantities (certainly for the Toledos anyway)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans.Gruber
Somewhere those go.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
Certainly they make more than 200 X2:s a day.. :stick:
yes but at the moment they are going into either systems or Opterons (the toledo version that is). Manchesters have a more abundant stock. I also notice that they launched retail in Akiba over the weekend and they didnt have stock of the 4400+ and the 4600+ and 4800+ sold out very quickly. (No idea of volumes involved though).
WTF's up with AMD not meeting demand? I dunno about you but I'd rather sell $600-$1100 X2's than $145 cheapo 3000's. Maybe they need to shut down everything but 57's and X2's for a couple weeks at their SINGLE fab. Also how about some 2000Mhz and 1800Mhz clocked ones?
AMD is making Opterons, that's the business what they want, enthusiats hobbyist etc, they have 'had' since the first Athlons.
2Ghz ones will arrive eventually. AMD are not meeting demand because essentially they dont have that many at the moment as the server side appears to be their priority (even higher ASPs). Remember AMD have pulled forward "availability" by several months because Intel did likewise and retooling the fabs for more dualcore desktops might not be so easy (remember they still only have 200mm wafers and a die size now similar to old 130nm for dual core) so they have to manage the supply/demand dynamic. You cant run out of your bread and butter products that just doesnt make sense.
Im quite sure that AMD has plenty of capasity for dual core CPU's, it's just like we said servers first.
So if they are filling supplys it's Opteron DC's, and X2's come second.
Hans if AMDs capacity utilisation is anything like Intels then it is over 90% - if running dual core gives incremental sales rather than supplemental sales over standard A64s then like I said with the regression to a 130nm sized die then capacity constraints have to be considered.
Someone said quite well (don't remember who) that AMD has too many overlapping products.
They have socket-a 2800-3200, s-754 2800-3xxx s-939 3000-4xxx, so they obiviously suffer from that to some extent.
But i don't believe it affects DC production too much.
Demand for DC Opterons can be quite high since so many have jumped to that wagon, even Supermicro.
The SKU proliferation is partly a function of technological progression IMHO. In the desktop segment socket A is no longer fabbed (but still assembled) socket 754 for budget and socket 939 prosumer and mainstream. There is little overlap between segments and the number of SKUs is also down to having price points between less than $100 and over $1000.
The fact AMD initially intended the launch to be the end of the year, I think, was a function of potential capacity issues as we know there are no technological issues. This means it would have been closer to the date of Chartered's ramp and FAB 36 completion but Intel forced their hand somewhat to release much earlier.
Komplett have moved the date back to the 24th :(
:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Usurper
Wouldn't supprise me if all retailers have slipped the date.
I thought somebody had an X2 and overclocked it here @ XS....I can't find the thread! help me out ! :D
edit: Ok I found the X2 of Sampsa :)
AMD never expected this much demand for dual-core CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebo
I didn't expect it either. Most people are scared of such prices, but yet they are still buying them. Weird.
Good systems cost a lot of money, and extra 250-300 for a CPU is not that big sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
Also buyer can get slightly smaller HDD, cheaper MB etc. So they don't invest to things that bring little or no value at all, and the price is now only 150$ more for X2 system.
Compare that to a system that has same performance with singe core CPU's :)
amd has supply issues, they don't have anywhere near the capacity that intel does... thats why they started contracting out to IBM to take off some of the load (also the reason DELL hasn't went AMD if anybody is wondering)
they don't have the capacity yet... when they do, then they will REALLY be competing with Intel
Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
You call a hand full of overclockers "this much demand"? That's equivalent to zero demand as far as AMD is concerned. :rolleyes:
What a linear way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Do you think AMD sells CPUs for overclockers only? :nono:
No, I mean I don't think there really is all that much demand in the wiild yet. It's just that AMD hasn't really released the cpu's yet, contrary to some oem's being leaked out as they usually are.
Actually, they have shipped OEM and begun shipping retail officially. The CPUs showing up in peoples hands are not "leaks".
And yes, there IS demand. Lots of it.
Unsupprisingly OcUK's X2 page now reads ETA 24th too.
the enthusiast market is a tiny (albiet a VERY FAST growing) segment of sales...
large oems like HP/Compaq, DELL, Toshiba, etc is what these companies make money off of.
I think you would all agree that in the past 6 months, there is an oustanding enthusiast/gamer movement to AMD cpus, i mean the ratio of you guys buying Intel is probably 1:10, maybe even more (for every 1 enthusiast that buys an Intel, 10 are going to go AMD)
if the enthusiast segment was really what drove the markets, then wouldn't AMDs sales be off the charts?
AMD is still reporting losses, and Intel is still reporting gains...
When we see more School systems, colleges, and fortune 500 companies actually buying AMD based machines, then we'll see better production from AMD..
the just havn't the capacity, which really has nothing to do with a "late" release of a processor :slap:
so maybe we should shut up and get back on topic...
off to monarch i say
Correct, and OEM's include such companies as Voodoo & FalconPC. Therefore, most cpu's are available to ANYONE once a release date is announced by AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
And yes, the x2 is going to turn the computing world upside-down.... ;)
Recieved Fedex 2day tracking # from Monarch for X2 4400+
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
ewitte... sweet deal... do keep us informed of how well it works and if you have any issues with your setup. I was hoping for them to be in widerspread availability by now.
oem or retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
OEMQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris27
Made my order....OMG can't wait to see how the 4400+ will overclock with some good water cooling !!!
BTW any1 knows if Windows need to be reinstalled with X2?? I mean, can I just change my A64 with the X2 and boot in windows...or must I need to reinstall?
Windows should be re-installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
In fact, I recommend a complete hard drive reformat.
Your suggestion may be valid, but (in my opinion) that is completely unnecessary unless you are among the most die hard benchmarkers or if you just like a fresh install/ A new cpu, even a dual, is one of the easiest things to install without a fresh windows update. maybe a bios flash though to support it and reload the amd64 drivers to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
You're right it is unecessary to re-install windows. But you will need to repair your install with the boot disk. And yes the install of an x2 is relatively easy, the problkem is with the uninstall ;) Read here:Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...736#post900736
Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Thanks for the tips. Why would you even need to do a repair though. I can switch MB's out even without a repair unless there is a chipset change?
Also, what do you mean "reconfigure" exactly?
"the only way around it seems to be a reconfigure or reinstall"
Do the X2's are finally available?
Let's say I have a VapoLS, do I need to mod the evap?
Hehe,Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
You're right...THe last few days I've made a couple of posts without thinking about what I was writing :rolleyes: You shouldn't need to do anything whien swapping TO the x2 cpu's. BUT if you decide to swap back to a single-core cpu, you'll have to repair your windows install because for some reason the OS won't allow you to switch back to "ACPI Uni-Processor PC" through the device manager. Now I didn't try using the AMD cpu drivers so they possibly could have fixed this issue, but just thought I'd toss a warning out there so nobody else freaks out like me since my FX55BN was running close to positive temperatures on default Vcore with my Mach2. :p:
I did that with a s754 board. But only until I had the time a week later.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
I've been running a San Diego with ACPI set to Multi-Processor. I wonder if thats why I have the hardest time keeping those mosfets cool? The CPU is running 2.8Ghz 1.7v (BIOS) and never breaks 40C (water).Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Eric
cool. When you switch from uni processor to dual proessor in device manager, what happens? Does it call for any winxp cd or driver or just reboot and all is good?Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Mwave has 4800+ retails in stock now.
newegg has 4800+ OEM's but at a higher price than Mwave's retails.
Running a multi-processor kernel vs. a single-processor kernel will not affect your CPU temps in itself. The key difference between the kernels is that the multi-processor kernel contains additional code to synchronize access to shared kernal data (since you may have two or more processor threads running concurrently).
Consequently, running a multi-processor kernel on a single-processor system is *slightly* slower (i.e., less efficient) than running a single-processor kernel that does not contain extra synchronization code you don't need. However, the extra overhead of an MP kernel is very small when compared to total CPU power; any affect on the temperature is negligible.
In the example cited, it is far more likely that the new single-core CPU that the user installed simply runs hotter than the dual-core it replaced. For example, my 3500+ Clawhammer (130 nm) CPU overclocked to 2.4GHz ran at 58C under full load. My new dual-core X2 4400+, however, runs at 48C under load overclocked at 2.4GHz. The temperature difference has nothing to do with which kernel I am running -- Athlon 130 nm chips simply run hotter than 90 nm chips.
Let me be the first to welcome you to XS! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dbeachy1
And let me be the first to tell you you're wrong :p:
Running multi-proc on a single-proc system is also known as the "RICKY TWEAK" If you're familiar with 3dMark, you'll know what that is. If you're running a a multiproc kernal on a single proc system, your cpu will rarely every be in idle. It basically will be trying to do a multi-proc/core workload on a single core.
So @ EWITTE that will be a prob in terms of your OC. I promise you'll get much more stability if you switch it to single proc.....
BTW, when I ran my cpu while it was using the muti-proc driver, my cpu was runnin~+7C @ 3190 with 1.6Vcore. After installing the uniproc driver, here's what it did: At -8C
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/1518/10x320spi1m3dw.jpg
Oh, BTW, this is the x2 which I switched from:
http://img87.echo.cx/img87/1917/11x288sandracpu8gl.jpg
This is exactly what the "ricky tweak" is. How come people can get more in 2k1/etc with the multi processor kernel?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbeachy1
Doesn't really matter since my X2 will be here tomorrow :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
amd x2 driver page - updated may 2005
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13118,00.html
You're not even curious how much of a difference it'll make while your cpu is still installed? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
Not if I have to reinstall/repair tonight ;) Thats something I'm not doing until this weekend with the X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Read above, you're not gonna have to do that repair whien you're installing the x2. YOu'd only have to do it when you go back to a single core.... :p: That's why I suggest you try now because then you won't have to re-install your cpu + your OS later if you get curious....Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
Switching to "single processor..." is not the same thing as switching from X2 to a 3700+? From your statement I thought just changing to the single processor kernel from the dual processor kernel required the repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Eric
It DOES (although I'm not sure what happens when you're actually switching only the drivers and not the cpu's as well). I'm just saying that if you're curious about your SD, then do the repair now while the cpu's still installed. Then when you get your x2, plug her in and never look back ;) If you do it that way, then you'll save yourself from swapping out cpu's later....Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
anyone removed the IHS on a X2 yet?
4200+ retail in stock $550
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/446...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
My 4800+ retail box shipped today for thursday delivery. looks like thur and fri will be busy rebuilding days. Hope it's worth it.
GL with it....keep us posted...Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
It let me just change back. Same temps and OC. Actually the OC is a little lower. But thats possibly because the PC has been idle the last 1-2 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Eric