where do you guys get the P5WD2 Premium bios you all are talking about ?!
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where do you guys get the P5WD2 Premium bios you all are talking about ?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Im currently waiting for a bios update but there doesnt seem to be one anywhere. Im glad it isnt just me with this problem and it seems like a NF4 problem in general because I tested the msi p4n and it was worse than this board. At least I manage 1:1 with this board at stock.
Do you have any bioses that I could use for it?
How far did u manage to push the memory?
There's a link in the Intel section. Look here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=63655Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
The stilt have you got hold of a p5nd2-sli yet? Im anticipating the arrival because Im sure it has a bad bios causing not low latencies and not 2:3 dividers.
It´s getting weird with these Corsair 5400UL sticks...
In legitreviews article there are pictures that show V1.1 Corsair 5400UL sticks. According the article those sticks contained chip labeled as D9CWX which points to part number (MT47H64M8BT-3). After removing the spreader from my V1.2 sticks I found chips labeled as D9DQW which means MT47H64M8BT-37E stepping A chips, which are 3.7ns stuff instead of 3ns...
I´m getting there ;)
After little enhancements, I was able to achieve higher overclock with less voltage. At first I removed heatspreader from the sticks, and added a more powerfull fan to delived higher air bypass for the sticks.
Then I soldered one Rubycon 470µF / 6.3V cap to empty solder spot under NB.
This fixed the shutdown problem (system shuts down when it´s supposed to restart).
With 0.05V lower voltage than in previous run I got this :D
Going for more.
neat!
where exactly did you solder the cab btw ? pic?
http://www.akiba-pc.com/Corsair_5400UL/P5WD2_CAPADD.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Byron
It´s for the chipset vdd.
That's awesome news. Guess I'll have to solder one of those cab's on as well, as I'm affraid the shut down for a few seconds and then restart is eventually going to kill my mach II GT cooler.... what bios version do you currently use? Still the 0408? I heard news of the 0413, that's why I ask....
Also, can you actually lock the multiplier at 14x in the bios or are you using a software programme for that? Because I can't do it in bios with my 6640, but I found a programme that will do it in windows. However the setfsb version I used with the 0124 bios won't work with the 0408 bios on this board....
I use 0408 bios because it´s the newest one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
I use 660 chip which is PRB 04B chip. With 04B chips (TG >= 115W) multiplier can be locked to 14 via Lock Free function. With PRB 04A chips like your 640 multiplier can only be changed via speedstep.
I have tried to help Abo to make a working SetFSB version, but Asus has changed something in SMBus, so after updating the bios from 0124 version SetFSB will stop working.
Well I only asked about the 0413 bios because it's mentioned here at the bottom of the page.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
So if I order a 660 I will be able to set the multiplier @ 14x in bios then I assume. Great I need to get the 640 back in the Shuttle anaway... :p:
Yes, unfortunately I get an SM Bus I/O error with bios 0408. Tahnks for answering my questions :toast:Quote:
I have tried to help Abo to make a working SetFSB version, but Asus has changed something in SMBus, so after updating the bios from 0124 version SetFSB will stop working.
What was the specific problem with shutdown? You mean when you chose "Windows shutdown", it will restart instead?
Also, is that new OC on water or just plain air =)...nice tip on adding cap btw...
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
No, the board will shutdown itself when it is supposed to restart.Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
That´s because the MCH voltage in unstable under load. Additional capasitor will fix the issue.
Cooled with stock heatsink up to 4.55GHz :)
I'm getting excited with this board =)....I'm guessing there is a trace already from the vacant capacitor slot going to the NB.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
And woah, that stock heatsink can boot the CPU@4.55? You must have really low ambient temp :p: :p: :p:
Not really, thermometer shows currently 25c in my workshop.Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
For 4.55GHz I have to set vcore to 1.425V any lower or higher will make system even more unstable that it already is at 4.55GHz :)
So what are your temps then with the boxed cooler (CPU and MB/idle and load)?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
It is possible to increase the MCH voltage in the BIOS. Does it perhaps solve the problem by just increasing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Corsair 5400UL - Memtest86+ v1.55 Bandwidth
These modules really seem to like of burn-in.
At the start, that kind of speeds required over 2.6V VDD, but now I need only 2.4V to achieve same speeds and settings.
Memtest test #5 seem to be the hardest for overclocked DDR2 ram.
Still I can run it at DDR 1.1GHz speed with 4-3-3-2 settings without a hitch :D
When I have more time I´ll bolt the Mach2 on again, and run some more memtest. Currently I´m cpu limited since I some crappy Artic Cooling heatsink (which is actually worse than the original).
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkor
Is 2.1V MCH VDD enough?
So far it hasn´t helped ;)
:D
So much fuzz about this mem's on the web and Corsair doesn't have any 5400UL's in stock in Europe !!!! BAHHHH :slapass:
Where did you get yours ?
Just a question.
I have the same Mboard, diffrent ram though.
But I cant seem to go any higher than the pic below
What do I need to do to get better OC?
Should I consider getting water cooling? I am currently on the stock air as I just could not get the XP-120 working right.
Any advice would be appreciated.
http://hem.bredband.net/stesmi/955.jpg
Gotta to love them :D
Corsair 5400UL - Sandra 2005 Unbuffered
Corsair 5400UL - Sandra 2005 Buffered
:slapass:
Hehe, Stilt, i used to think BH-5 @ 250MHz 2-2-x was fast.. Now you're running 480MHz 2-2-x :o
Damn, thing are getting xtreme these days :)
@ The Stilt - can you run 2 video cards in SLI on this board?
Have you tested more 955 boards? Is the ASUS suitable for not so extreme clocks and what vmods the mobo requires?
I have two Gainward 6800 Ultra cards available, but I don´t have any interests in nVidia currently. Waiting somethin better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by V I P E R
P5WD2 is the only 955X board I have currently tested, but I have pretty much used every single Socket 775 board available from Abit, Asus and DFI.
Asus P5WD2 might be the best Socket 775 board ever built.
Asus fits perfectly for daily or extreme use.
The modifications are very simple just like the modifications for their previous boards have been.
@ The Stilt - Thanks for the answers man. You rock ... damn nice results. I'll build the same system :). Can you only test is SLI working on that board even in 4x mode for the second card?
Currently I have ASUS P4C800 E Deluxe + P4 3G @ 4G default voltage with silent air cooling. Mobo is vdroop, vdimm modded so I think that I will not have any problems mod the new ASUS model :).
Please advice what DDR2 memory is best to buy. What chips I have to look for - I now Micron, but what revision, stepping or what to search.?
I seen these two models and they seem very good.
Personally I prefer this one because of its price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220056
What you think?
And the next one is like yours:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145564
But it is 45$ more expensive.
What should I buy
Now that Im on the P5WD2 things are going very well but Im still having issues. Are you guy's FSB fluctuationg at all? Mine still changed by almost 10mhz on the FSB still.
I will pop some heat spreaders and let you know what D9's I have.
Thanks for the mod info, it will surely help.
I just put in a 660 in stead of the 640, and with the 14x multiplier so far I'm running @ 345 Mhz fsb without any problems. My fsb does fluctuate a little bit, but it never goes below 345 Mhz and it only increases 3 Mhz max. Also it doesn't fluctuate under all benchmarks, just some.
I have had the system running at 350 Mhz fsb also, but my memory was more than maxxed out when I did, so I did get some odd results. However I'm still on the standard passive northbridge cooler and I have not done any mods yet, so I'm quite happy. My Corsair PC5400UL does seem to max out at around 4500 MB/s in memtest86, pretty much regaerdless of memory/ fsb Mhz and timings, it doesn't want to go above that. I'll hopefully get the mod done pretty soon. I'm also doing the cap mod (thanks The Stilt for that also). Gonna put some decent cooling on the Northbridge as well I guess :D
Damn, guess my 650 needs to go.......... Hello Ebay!
I wrote a little P5WD2 mod guide for Akiba-PC.
Read it here .
Wow, thanks Stilt =), but where is the "capacitor" addition modification there? hehehe...you missed it ;)... :stick:
Soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
The Stilt - can you answer to my question above please! You can send to me a PM if you don't to fill your thread with useless posts.
I don´t have enough time to test those cards in SLI, sorry :(Quote:
Originally Posted by V I P E R
There will be so much better stuff available in the markets soon, so I have no interests in any nVidia products anymore.
There is atleast two different Micron D9 stepping that overclock best.
One is MT47H64M8BT-3 and one is MT47H64M8BT-37E.
If you want to get some really good stuff, get Corsair 5400UL ;)
Are you getting FSB fluctuations? Also could you link me to the BIOS you are currentally using?
I haven´t noticed any FSB fluctuation in "normal" use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
When the motherboard is pushed to it´s limits and FSB passes 360FSB barrier it fluctuates about 6MHz under load. Little higher FSB Termination voltage will fix that thou ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
which tool you are using for read out the fsb?? cpu-z?
cpuclock show me a different fsb and the fsb fluctuate heavy. is cpuclock to old for this new board or show cpu-z the wrong? i have 7200 mb @ sandra mem benchmark with DDR733 and 4-4-4-6. this can´t be right.
Yes, that's one of the programs I use to see if the fsb is fluctuating. However at 360 Mhz fsb and beyond, even 3dmark says results cannot be published because of cpu speed variation. Also SiSandra and other benchmarks shows really borked results. I know the cpu is stable at this spedd as I've run benches at almost 200 Mhz more at the defaul 18x multiplierQuote:
Originally Posted by webwilli
@ The Stilt - If I fill all 4 slots with memory what will happen, because on the 875 mobos if you remember the PAT was turning OFF, and I want to know what is the situation with this board.
Do you have a link to the BIOS you are using? We all really need a copy of it. My vcore settings do not work at all on this set. PLZ link us.
Can someone tell where are the critical PLL and mosfet chips that need extra cooling ? Like the FSB PLL generator ?
Please put a pic of the P5WD2 with some kind of indication where are those critical chips.
It's because I would like to put some passive cooling sinks on those critical hot spots !
thanks.
Sentential: I'm using 0408 and it works pretty well.....
You can find it here. If there's a newer one out there, I'm not aware of it..........
Thanks
New versions 1.29 of CPUID works good for P5WD2. Correct memory speed and core voltage.
Yes it works fine here as well. It doesn't seem to show any fsb fluctuation under load anymore either.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Can you do a small experiment for me?
Just trying to figure out why my Bandwidth efficiency is so much higher than others..
I only see 3 things different than yours:
1. I am running with HT enabled (But I already tried this. made no difference)
2. I am running 1:1 on the Ram while yours are at Higher Mem Multi's (my Mem won't run at this FSB with 3:5 or higher)
3. I am running 0124 Bios (will load 0408 later)..
I am starting to suspect Asus's Hyperpath only runs at a 1:1 ratio.
Loose the 0124 bios it's bad. The motherboard is doing so much better with the 0408 bios IMHO.
No problem here running the 3:5 divider, even without mods I've had it stable @ 300 Mhz fsb and DDR1000 @ cas 4-3-3-8. However with the 660 cpu @ 14x multiplier, the memory gets taxed much harder pr. clock, but still it runs fine at 4:5 till above 350 Mhz fsb. I can do 3:4 at relaxed timings, but 3:5 is currently a no-go @ 350 Mhz fsb regardless of timings. I'm hoping a volt mod will help solve this.
I have both Turbo and Hyperpath 3, as well at Hyper Threading enabled all the time.
This is why I asked.. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
Trying to figure out why I am getting a consistent 95-98% efficiency on a P4.. I will be switching to 0408 after I finish playing with 0124..
You boot up with 200FSB, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by hag6br
Thats it. Again there is ol' good Asus NB Strap trick which forces tightest possible settings on when the system is booted up with 200FSB.
Try to boot up with 266FSB (1066FSB NB Strap) and see how much the results will be decreased ;)
I am booting up at 340 FSB on the CPU FSB and 1:1 on the Ram..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
booted up at 336 FSB and 4:5 ram divider But had to drop to 4-4-4-12 timings to make into windows. But Sandra is still showing 90%+ on the ram. This is the Max the ram will do as it is only PC4200 Ram.
BTW: Nice work on the WR..
Let you know.. I am not using SETFSB right now..
Can you use 4 sticks of ram and see is there any MEM bandwith decrease?Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
What software do you guys use to read the P5WD2 temps ?
I'm so sad that MBM has been stoped ....
i´m use
MBM
Systool
Asus PCProbeII
MBM suports the P5WD2 ?!?
Which sensors do you use ?
no special :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
i have use config wizard.
see my mbm.ini attach.
rename in .ini
copy to DATA dir
if necessary i can upload the hole DATA dir
careful. its german ;)
the stilt,plz tell me what is the max 1m pi running of your memories on 3224,thanks;)
Huu cool . .gona try it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by webwilli
edit: it works . thanks!!!
Gandalf, apanhas-tes o config para o MBM primeiro que eu ! AI AI :slapass:
Funca bem ?
:D
I'm for a bugQuote:
Originally Posted by hag6br
I dont think that's possible to break more 80%+ on an Intel system ;) :)
the stilt plz can you tell me what do you do with your very lucky memories with 3224 timings?i want to compare them to mine
http://img79.echo.cx/img79/390/test24vk.jpg
hehehe.....tive a ler o thread todo... Gandalf e Jvidia...essa cena bule bem?? Gandalf....já tens outro sistema?? lol..vendeste o k eu te vendi? :P
Abraço ..e contem novidades disso :)
Good work people...keep going :P
What version of the CPU-Z do you folks use with tne P5WD2 ?
I tried the last one, 1.29, and it doesn't looks good even with no OC :
- the multiplier is always switching from 14x to 16x
- the CPU speed is always switching from 28xx to 32xx
- the memory fsb speed and the multiplier in the mem tab is wrong
Any ideas what's wrong ? Is this normal ???
You have C1E (Enhaced Halt State) enabled in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
CPU-Z version 1.29 shows all the information correctly.
i have a questin for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
the p5wd2 premion...non wifi version...is 300 fsb stable from bios... not by set fsb without any kind of mod???i want to order it,,,, :)
thanks...
Yep, it can boot up to 350FSB straight from the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by ztop
Thats pretty stable frequency.
thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Why would you use SetFSB over your original BIOS to inrease FSB? SetFSB is an executable that you run in Windows, is that why you choose it?
Oh, and here is a newbie question, why do you drop the multiplier to 14x? Can you achieve higher FSB with a lower multiplier?
I use SetFSB for on the fly OC.
with a pci vga and a ata hd??or with a pci\ex vga and a sata hd?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
thanks
With PCI vga and SATA hd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ztop
Thanks Stilt ... must see that :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
One more for you guys ... i've tried the 0408 and 0422 bios and they booth have the "shutdown & restart" feature when exiting from bios @ fsb >= 250 !(the original and the 0208 bios are fine !)
Is it normal ? Can it damage any component ?
Asus must do something about it ... :slapass:
Another problem is that with the original bios (0128) and with the CD bios (0208) I have Windows XP running fine with raid 0, but with 0408 and 0422 the Windows XP doesn't pass the blue bars zone ! It stays there forever :mad:
Is there any known problem between bios when using a raid 0 configuration ?
Must I reinstall XP again ?
It sucks to have some bios booting windows fine and the 04xx don't !
Where is 0422 BIOS at? Where on earth are you finding these BIOS?
:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Enjoy :D
and finally....wich bios do you have used for your insane scores??Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Folks, I've tried 0408 & 0422 bios without success using Raid0 !!!
Let me explain ...
With my P4 640 + P5WD2 Premium + 0124 bios (original one) / 0208 bios (in suport CD) + 2 x Hitachi 80GB SATAII the Raid0 works like a charm.
I flashed the 0408 and then the 0422 bios but windows XP won't boot with any of those bios !! It stayed forever stuck on the blue bars zone !
Then I tried to install again the XP having the 0422 bios already flashed, but during windows instalation after choosing the ICH7R / Raid option from the "raid floppy disk drivers" the windows setup finishes loading some other drivers and then says "Starting Windows ..." and after some 20 seconds I get a BSOD !!!!! :eek:
Al this @ default bios options (200 fsb).
Any idea what is going on ? :confused:
The 0408/0422 bios also as a bad feature .... the "shutdown & restart" after exiting bios and I have read somewhere that it also occours after a windows restart !
I'm also suspicious about this bioses, since they are not official ones ! :rolleyes:
I got my new P5WD2 premium board, and the bios is 0304 version.
Here is a link for anyone wants to try it.
0304
Hi MDboyz, great offer ;)
Does that bios have the 800 and 1066 mem options ?
Are you using Raid 0 ? And if so is all ok ? Because with me the 04xx bios give'd me BSOD during windows setup :mad:
:toast:
Thankyou muchQuote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
Good news from 0304 or not ?
Is Raid 0 ok with 0304 ?
EDIT:
Did you guys know that Corsair has changed the specs of the 5400UL from 3-2-2-8 to 3-3-2-8 ?!?! :mad:
Read it for your selfs :
Specification Change Notice
Product : CM2X512A-5400UL and TWIN2X1024A-5400UL
Timing Specification:
Previous: 3-2-2-8
Revised to: 3-3-2-8
This change is effective immediately. Parts with the revised specification will have a specification number of XMS5400v1.5.
This change was made due to a subtle change in the performance characteristics of the RAMs used to build these modules. While the XMS5400UL modules typically continue to function at the 3-2-2-8 latency setting, they will no longer pass Corsair’s rigorous qualification with those settings, and may not demonstrate long-term stabilility.
After this I feel a little deceived by Corsair !! :slapass:
EDIT 2:
Well after reading this 'Specification Change Notice' with atention I became happy because I just realized that my 5400UL v1.3 were made with better chips than the current 5400UL's v1.5. !!! "....subtle change in the performance characteristics of the RAMs used to build these modules..."
:D :D :D
In the begining I tought that all versions of the 5400UL where revised to 3-3-2-8 ! ... but it's just the new ones that have chips not so good :banana:
0304 gives me the same problem as 0204 - if I set FSB higher than 265, board won't POST. I just get a black screen =P No idea about the RAID thing though, sorry
anyone get the 1:2 working yet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkabaseball
Yep ... I'm with 1:2 @ 250fsb :YIPPIE:
http://jvidia.no.sapo.pt/Images/Benc...u-z_memory.jpg
And rising ....
And what about this unbuffered Sandra scores :
http://jvidia.no.sapo.pt/Images/Benc...mem_unbuff.jpg
Nice or what ?! :banana:
jvidia....what is your specs system ?
i hawe the 0304Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark79
raid 0 on ich7 ok
an 300 fsb ok....
See my sign please ... it's updated ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave
well my board died last night.....i flashed 0422 to try it out and got.
DMA-1 Error
Fatal Error...System Halted
Completely hardlocked during post...no cure...could be related to the scrape in the PCB near mounting hole I did...but worked with other BIOSES...except 0408 didn't fix vcore and didn't cause shutdown-restart problem......BIG QUESTION is was it the BIOS? or the scrape that possibly cut between 0-3 traces but worked with 0304
I manage to hit 3-2-2-4 at 320 mhz 1:1 but I cannot select cas 2. Is there a bios out that will allow cas 2?
Holly god ! Dead mobo ! :eek:
If you turn the system on what happens ?
Tried CMOS reset with battery off ?
when system is turned on....beeps twice, then reads CPUID and RAM and then
DMA-1 Error
Fatal Error...System Halted
you can't do anything crashfree doesn't load...no bios access i took battery out and left unlplugged for awhile...try no hardware cept VC and ram.
HOW IS 0422....does it fix Vcore adjustments not working? does it fix the overvolting at idle?.....these were I issues I had with 0304 for the ONE HOUR i had it.
Did you take off the battery and short circuit with the CMOS jumper for at least 10 seconds ?
Haven't noticed nothing special .... can you explain those bugs a litle better ?
well in the reatail 0304 bios....if you change the Vcore in the BIOS it doesn't do anything...it just stays the same...and it overvolts during idle...
with 0408 its suppoed to fix those problems.
does 0422 allow you to successfully change the Vcore and then when you read it with say CPU-Z it shows teh values you set.
mine with 0304 in idle overvolt....but i can change the v-coreQuote:
Originally Posted by sluflyer06
so when you change the Vcore it shows it properly under load? and also as you increase Vcore does the overvolt @idle increase accordingly?
i hope it was jsut the damage I did and not severe bios issues with the newer batched boards because....at the same Vcore/FSB settings I had 100% stable on my AS8 it wouldn't even superpi....i'm so frustated/angry and hoping it was cut traces because I can't keep switching mobos :::sigh:::
now i have set 1,45 v in bios....end bios accept the changement.. and from asus probe in idle i have 1,5v + o -....in full load i have 1.45-1.46 v stableQuote:
Originally Posted by sluflyer06
alright so at least its responding to the changes....though the overolting would be terrible if you actually needed a high Vcore during load.
Well guys, I haven't had the time to get the voltmod done just yet, but I should shortly as I just started my vacation (finally!).
In the meantime I've gotten myself another pair of TwinX 5400UL sticks, I now have 4x 512 MB in there. So far I've seen no decrease in performance, stability or even overclockability from going from 2x to 4x memorysticks. Quite good i think. 4 sticks (2GB) @ DDR2-954 cas 4-3-3-4-2 turbo and hyperpath3 enabled, 100% memtest stable. Pretty nice I think. Now if only Asus would fix the cold boot problem in the 0422 bios.... :slapass:
how Cold is the Cold boot problem? (haha like I needed another worry)
and does it have the problem with 0408
I don't think it's temperature related, just an issue where it hangs on the post screeen on a "cold" boot. No problems on reboots at all, just a problem when you turn the system on in the morning/afternoon whenever you get up ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sluflyer06
And no, the 0408 didn't have this problem. I can reach the same oc speeds on cpu and mem on both bios'es, however some memory ratios do NOT work on the 0408 (system will hang and not even post), and those now work on the 0422. In fact they all do now. Ive tried them all.
well thats very good news...and I"m assuming 0422 fixed all the Vcore problems (overvolting and non response to bios settings)
2. What do you do when it hangs at post after being off, just hit reset or CTL ALT DEL?
Haha I feel dumb for assuming it had a cold lock problem because it would have been the first I've heard about on Intel. doh.
i'm 24h 4200 mhz vc def on my 560j....1.4v..1.42 full load..1.27 in idleQuote:
Originally Posted by sluflyer06
no problem at all