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very nice results. exciting news for the 754 platform. keep up the good work.
muhaha i want 1
just an update on temps.. it runs noticably warmer than my clawhammer (at 2.3ghz, 1.55v), loading at 45c with normal room temps (25) and 2.8ghz, 1.5v
dropping it to 2.7 and 1.45 brings temps down to 41c. seems like the extra voltage is a killer :slapass:
3.1 GHz is only 22% faster than what I've had for 9 months on Socket 754 (Claw CG at 2.43 GHz). I see Newark as an interesting upgrade option for people with NCs or Semprons, but is it that big of a deal for those who already have decent Claws? I mean, the Newark 3700+ is well over $350. Even with an amazing core, those of us with marginable Socket 754 boards (Epox 8KDA3J here) aren't going to be able to push Newark with 1GB of RAM installed.
i'm probably gonna upset a lot of people by saying this, but my k8n neo is better than my lanparty ut-nf3 by a long shot.
i can use dividers, memtest at 300mhz htt, the core voltage is more stable, and i'm 12mhz higher on the core with ambient temps ~3c higher and a brand new mount that hasn't settled in the least.
just two problems. i have to boot at 2.5-3-2-10, as with trcd of 2, voltage is 2.7v. and there's no option for 1T/2T in the bios, so i just change things when i get into windows :toast:
here's where i'm at so far, seems like it's gonna hold for the duration. if not, at least 3 hours.
(it's been ~10 min since i took that shot, still priming)
i'll be busy tonight, so i don't know how much of a chance i'll get to do some serious oc'ing, but i'll definitly give 1.5v+ a shot and see where it takes me
Were you using the 4/15 BIOS on the DFI?
yup. it never did like dividers though, even with my clawhammer. i guess that doesn't really matter with a 12x multi, and probably beats dealing with 2T at every boot.
i've definitly hit the voltage limit of the k8n neo though, it appears that i can't actually change VID (stuck at 1.4v), and i can only do +10%, which undervolts a lot for ~1.5v actual. trying to see if i can wrench 2.8ghz out of it with that and normal room temps, but i don't think it's gonna happen :(
Hmmm. Let's see. On my sister-in-law's DFI nF3 board, I was able to run my VX at 271MHz error-free and stable. If I can do the same with the board I order...12x271MHz=3252MHz. I'd be a happy camper.
Know of any VMODs for the MSI board? That VCORE leaves a lot to be desired. What if...
Maybe its a long shot but will the newark boot with BIOS 1.4 on the K8N?
That BIOS will let you go up to 1.8v!
don't know of any off-hand, but if i could find something, a mod wouldn't be terribly difficult, and would definitly go a long way. a modded bios with around 3x the ram options would be nice too.. i think i've been spoiled by this dfi.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
3.25ghz would be quite hot though. with good cooling, you just might be able to pull it off stable. my core seems to be VERY sensitive to temperatures.
check this out ozzimark :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=61632
Is there a list anywhere of what mobos are compatible with Newark? Do all of them that work with the Clawhammer A64/M work with it?
That's for the DFI nF4 939 boards, saaya. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
:rofl:
Ozzi, maybe it's your memory and not the CPU that's puking on the divider with the DFI. I've seen a few complaints here and there... that Crucial Ballistix and DFI NF3 don't like to play well together.
Just a thought...
i have a strong suspicion that it is my ballistix not liking the dfi board. i can use a divider just fine on the neo. i'll be able to try my hand with some bh-5 in a week and a half or so.
not sure, but so far the k8n neo and dfi nf3 are verified to work :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by totensiebush
Vandi also verified that Turion64 is compatible with the ASUS K8V-SE, so I'd assume Newark would work on any ASUS board with a revision E compatible BIOS.
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Originally Posted by saaya
:slap: saaya is not always on the ball :D
Yea, it work on the K8V-SE with the Rev. E update. But the BIOS does not give me access to Memory Timings. 0dd.....Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
All asus motherboards should be fine with the Rev. E BIOS update.
yeah, i was honestly surprised that it worked in the asus, but it's a nice surprise, so i'm not gonan complain :toast:
curiously, going from 1.45v to 1.475v gives me about 50mhz. i think vandi's comment about this thing rocking on water is dead on, as if i can get temps down around 5c (42c load right now) i can get another 25-40mhz out of the core.. :slobber:
I'd be happy with 2.8GHzQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I can't go 939 because I'd have to buy a PCI-E card along with the chip and mobo, plus water cooling. But I definitely want to get into water now. :D
Ok guys, I need your help.
Should I keep this or return it? I suppose the question I should ask is:
If you bought this from Newegg, would you keep it or would you expect a refund?
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/5276/37005lg.jpg
BTW that is not dust on the core.
Another shot.
http://img63.echo.cx/img63/6302/3700core7qn.jpg
http://img116.echo.cx/img116/7829/3700core24rx.jpg
http://img116.echo.cx/img116/9423/3700core34vn.jpg
I put this here because I know there are some real experienced users here and it’s a 3700+
In my experience the core should be flawless. From this point in time I am returning it unless AMD tells me that it is ok.
:(
that's the second one like that you've gotten. i'd personally expect a flawless core.. i wonder what it is that's causing that.
I'd send it back and yell at newegg for sending a messed up core.
After getting that bad ML37 I check them very carefully. Ozzimark, yours was flawless. I am guessing that they have some idiot in the warehouse. They're going to owe me for this one as this is the second time.
They are both very minor flaws. Considering you had one Turion that made it through AMD with a chip, and now two 3700+, I'm wondering if it's really worth returning. I'd understand maybe one or two out of a hundred slipping through the cracks, but considering you've bought about ten processors and three have had these flaws, I don't think AMD would ship them out unless they were 100% functional.
What I'm wondering is if small chips like this are very common, it's just that we don't realize it because most A64s are covered with the IHS. For all we know most A64s have minor imperfections like this, but because it doesn't effect stability people don't even realize it.
I'd say wait and see what AMD says. :confused:
That's why I am asking considering that this is a new process. Bartons, Palominos, T-breds. They were always perfect. I got them on Friday so I will have to wait until monday to find out what the deal is.Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
you have a good point here. though of all the guys that have taken off heatspreaders, i don't think i've seen any with small chips in the core. maybe something in the testing does that to the cores without the heatspeader on? :confused: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
Every A64 I've ever had has had chips/dings in the core...some quite large. But they've always worked just fine, so who cares? Quit being so picky, I mean, it's not like you're ever gonna see that core again once you put it in the computer.
hey ozzi don't forget to put thoses benchmark results in my thread
Just for the record, my 3400+ Mobile CH(130nm SOI not 90nm SOI) had a flawless core, I would at least ring them up to make sure it's not, like you say, some dumb ass causing these dings/chips during packaging or whatever.
I work as an engineer at quite a big company and I can tell you, our production line usually goes through growing pains before we iron everything out
well, i hit 3117.2mhz, but i went to get the validation file too fast, and ended up with this:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=16889
at least the oc that got the thread here is validated.
i'm really liking that core name too :toast:
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Originally Posted by ozzimark
Very nice. Now someone just needs to donate a cascade or two for this worthiest of worthy causes!
hi there,
very nice oc and it's on air :slobber: .
good news voor the s754 users (me),
let's just hope that you've got a sucky rev and that the following rev's will be much better! :p:
Xyus
heh
:welcome: :welcome: to XS! :toast:
thanks for the comment, though i hope for my sake that i don't have a poor chip, though it would be sweet to see some guys hit 3ghz stable on air :toast:
i think i'd have to sell this chip and get another one... though having the first oc'ed newark is kinda fun
a shout-out to conrad! what's taking you so long?! :p: :D
Hey, are you using official DFI bios, or Oscar Wu's (jess1313) beta bioses? Those work a lot better with mobiles. The clawhammer mobiles, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
right now, beta 4/15. i will use the modded version of it as soon as i can get it ;)
somehow those ram issues fixed themselves thoughl. i think i missed something critical that was preventing me from getting my ram too much further
It's coming soon. I ordered my DFI nF3 board and an X850 XTPE. Those two should be in tomorrow or Wednesday. We'll compare notes next weekend. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
good good, i'll be waiting :up:
Nice Job Ozzimark!
I wonder what Conrad will do. Hmm??????
hi there,
thanks for the warm welcome!!
my s754 does 2470 rock stable@1.55v , and run's 24/7 @ 2400mhz@1.4v
@ 2500 mhz superpi M32 run's but when I game, the game crashes after 1.5h so...
I was thinking of buying an +3000 mobile but I've chanced my mind :)
btw here is my suicide screen:
http://home.tiscali.be/phidico/Xyus/...e%20screen.jpg
greetz Xyus
Update on the processors:
This is exactly what an AMD engineer said:
These defective look only cosmetic and should not affect the
functionality of the processors. I don't foresee any problem using
them.
AMD says they're ok and everyone else that I talked said that there would be no problems. Luckily the processors come with a 1 Year warranty. Of course, that goes away once you OC it. ;)
EDIT: So don't be worried if you come across a chip like this. :)
interesting. thanks for letting us know vandi :toast:
xyus, nice screen. you've definitly got my old clawhammer beat, i needed 1.85v to hit 2.68ghz, totally unstable! :p:
3700+ is being shipped out Thursday, and will hopefully be here by Saturday. ;)
Mad props to Vandi, of course! Can't wait to see how this chip overclocks. At least I know I'm guaranteed 2.4GHz out of the box, LOL.
awesome, that makes 4 of us now. :toast:
(unless i'm missing someone, conrad, FF, SAAYA!!!! and myself)
make sure u post us some results on this thread m8 :p:
yeah, as soon as you get it in your hands, cause i'm curious if ozzi's got the unique chip or all newark line will be o/c demons ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by shuRe
BTW: I definitely can't afford 3700+, so maybe any news about 3000+ or even 3400+ (225$ :slap: ) ??
Make that 4 - you, me, fr0stedflakes, and saaya. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
look again conrad ;) :p:
majkel84: i don't think we'll see anything about lower models for some time.. sorry :(
ozzimark where did you get your processor? can you link me please :-)
When are these available retail?
your guess is as good as mine, but i see a neo2 in your sig. this is a s754 cpu ;)
5 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I am guessing a total of 7 went out. Not including Ozzi. ;)
I hope everyone will post results here as I know most went through this thread. I especially would like to see some water cooling results. :slobber:
i'm hoping to talk my parents into getting me a waterblock for my b-day, so i might have it under water by the end of the month :toast:
Also try to convince them into buying you a peltier and a dedicated peltier power supply to go along with that H2O block. ;)
haha, at that rate i should just get one of pc ice's custom phase units.. i was actually seriously considering it, but i don't have $500 to spend on something like that :(
ozzi, conrad, fr0stedflakes, xenolith, saaya...
you guys mind letting me know if these CPUs have allowed you to gain MHz on your RAM over your last 754 setup... or even over older 939 setups.
i dont hav money to burn... but if these badboys let me max my RAM out more it'd be a perfect upgrade, more RAMHz & CPUMHz :toast:
It's been a long time since I've played with a 754 chip. And when I was playing with 754, I had 2x256MB of G.Skill and 2x512MB of OCZ Platinum Revision 2. I still have the Platinums somewhere, but the G.Skills went to my sister-in-law. I doubt I even have any of my old screenies, but I'll look. ;)
for me, i have a higher top end with two sticks in, but the memory controller on my old clawhammer was the pants :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
single stick still tops out around the same
send one to me and you'll definitely see :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
maybe even on phase :banana:
FYI
Spotted Newark 3400+ and 3700+ for $241 and $353 at SHENTECH.com (NY, USA). Have never dealt with them before.
where did you see that? i just went digging through the site without any luck :(
Oops! I think Shentech has just put them in the "out-of-stock mobile CPU" section.
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Originally Posted by ozzimark
a link still would have been nice :p:
for those of you with less spare time than me:
http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/amn3700bkx5bu.html
http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/amn3400bkx5bu.html
looks like it's in stock, but more expensive than getting it from vandi
LOL why is it under: Out of Stock - Mobile CPUs
But then says: Availability: Usually ships the same business day.
????
If I got them for free I would! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by majkel84
LOL, now the 3400+ shows up. Oh well, it's only money. :p
Atleast you know for sure that you're going to get 2.4GHz. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
I don't think the 3400+ would do 2.8GHz at 1.4v. Not with air cooling. But hey, I could be wrong. :cool:
Very true, gotta look at the glass as half-full, not half-empty. :D
i'll be impressed if one of the ones you set out to the other guys does.. takes me about 1.52v for 2.8ghz 100% stableQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
edit for a rough idea. i might try for 2.9ghz tonight, see if i can get it to prime with 1.6v
I just picked up my 3700+ from the post office. :D chilly1 told me he'll be shipping my coolers on Monday. I should also be receiving my Thermalright XP-90C to use with my old 92mm Vantec Tornado by Tuesday. I'll push the voltage as far as possible for both air-cooling and phase change-cooling, but I still doubt I can obtain the same results as ozzimark when it comes to air. That's just some insanely cold air in your neighborhood. It's 84-degrees in my neck of the woods as I'm typing this.
glad to hear it came in. just in case you're curious, it seems that i top out just over 3ghz with normal air, but stable goes down to ~2.8ghz, i'll do more warm air stability testing so we can directly compare next week when i go home :p: :(
(however, that xp-90c should own my zalman :toast: )
also, a word for the wise, my cpu doesn't like >1.65v, i'm assuming because of temps
I'm currently mixing a special blend of magic pixie and leprechaun dust to be sprinkled on my processor. A few vow prayers every night until I assemble my system should also condition and prepare my processor in it's journey to The Zone. :D
With regard to the voltage, it doesn't surprise me that 1.65V would be the maximum for standard air-cooling. Needless to say, your clocks are still awesome.
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Originally Posted by conrad's sig
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Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
:ROTF: :bounces:
you're a funny man conrad :toast:
edit: got bored, tried for max speed at normal temps. this is with 1.65v, 25c ambient, 40c idle temps by a heatsink thermal sensor
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=17689
Conrad, do you have any experience using an XP-90? I currently have one and I think it's a pain in the azz to install even on a lidded core. It uses lots of leverage -- snaps in one side at a time -- and I would think that would be disastrous on this chip. It'd break in two in a heart beat as soon as you put the needed pressure on the edge of this chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
I guess it would be possible to install without having to use leverage by pressing down on top of XP-90 while sliding in one side of the "hooks" then the other, but one little bobble... :explode2: I would think this would be even more difficult when trying to get it back off.
That's why I'm waiting patiently for the rest of my water cooling setup, otherwise I'd have this baby calculating PI on air by now. :cool:
it will be "difficult" to install but not overly so...
on my Mobile ClawHammer I installed a XP-120 relatively easily... and that was the first time I'd even seen a AMD64 CPU, AMD64 Board, XP-120, etc...
you will have to shave a bit off the mounting bracket though... otherwise contact wont be that great Conrad
I am sure I can figure out exactly how much I am supposed to shave off but it would be nice to know in advance. ;)
I plan on using the XP-120 for my Turion. :D
I actually chipped a core because of the XP-90. :slapass:
After that, I cut and drilled some custom mounting brackets. Haven't had a problem since. Here are some pics.
Rabbi, you must have a talent I don't have, because those "arms" have a lot of tension to them... at least my XP-90 did.
How much pressure can the edges of theses mobiles take? I would have thought not very much.
Rabbi, how'd you get it on without using any leverage?
EDIT: FF, nice! I might try that. :clap:
Without the IHS the XP-90 won't mount as tightly, but there's still enough tension to chip the core if you're not careful.
What I'd also suggest is taking some pads off an old Athlon and glueing them to your mobile A64 if you want to be extra safe. This way pressure is put on the edge of the CPU, not the edge of the core itself.
xenolith, I'm actually using a different heatsink now and was planning to sell my XP-90. If you want I can mail you those brackets. Not sure how long until your water is ready to be setup, but if you want them just say it and they're yours. I have no use for them anymore.
My preferred heatsink of choice is the Thermalright SLK-948U. This will be the first time I ever use the XP-90C. No matter how tricky it may seem, I will eventually get it mounted on properly and safely. ;)
YHPM :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by frostedflakes
Sweet as bro, here's how I did it... Shroomy deserves credit for this cos he taught me how to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
Shave about 1/3 of the height off of the XP-120 mounting bracket... I took off 1/2 and it was still fine but I wouldn't recommend TRYING to take half off because then if you misjudge the distance you are screwed... at least if you don't take enough off you can always take more off later.
If you take too much off the bracket can end up resting on components that are soldered underneath it... or can even end up rocking from side to side... I won't explain all the mechanics but know that it's bad HEhehe
xenolith, there is definately a LOT of tension on those clips... I don't like the mechanism they use to apply force... it plain sux. I don't see why more heatsink can't be attached the same way those Intel sinks are... with a lever on either side of the sink that you simply pull down.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
The pressure is not on the CPU legs though... the legs are not actually holding up the CPU bro, they are just there for contact... I am pretty sure the CPU's PCB takes all the pressure when it's forced against the socket.
I did use leverage though, and quite a bit actually... it was nerve wracking for a while there. But no more nerve wracking than vModding something, or pumping ridiculous amounts of volts into your CPU jus so you can run a benchmark! :)
It's all worth it though, this heatsink is as good if not better than my old watercooling setup... when ambients are reasonable that it.
HAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
That's what I like to hear!!!!!!!
Thanks Rabbi Krustofsky
Hehehehe no worries broQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=30419&stc=1
thinking about getting one of these 3700 newarks when i have finished cnc'ing my waterblock (will take 45 hours).
Will one of these clocked to 2.7-2.8 produce more wattage than my newcastle at 2.6? (dont want to have to upgrade from my 480w psu)
Cheers
depends on the voltage. probably not ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by shuRe
cant w8 to get my wc setup, then get one of these under there.
Any results yet conrad?
Crap...
Looks like it was in fact the motherboard, and not my Turion64, that wasn't working. So it'll be AT LEAST another week before I get my computer running. Gotta wait for another motherboard to arrive. :rolleyes:
UGH!
Geez I hope it didn't cause any damage. Everything arrive ok?
:(
do you know what's wrong?
and VVJ was awesome enough to contact me with a new version of CBID, i'l give some pimpage and show it in action :toast:
Yeah I think everything's fine, it's just that the motherboard was the problem the whole time, not the processor. At least this way though I can get some money out of the Turion... good thing I didn't make it a key chain right away, lol. :D
Does anybody know if the shipping BIOS on the DFI will at least let me boot a floppy and flash with revision E? Or heck, I may even try a PCI-E board. How is the K8T890 chipset in the OC'g department. Anybody know what kind of overclocking options the Soltek S754 K8T890 board has? I'd think it would unofficially work with mobiles because of rev E Sempron support.
i have a feeling that dfi's shipping bios will work, but with weird ram quirks. not 100% sure though, as i haven't tested
A bug in cache size determination has been fixed. Also, CBId properly determines the presence of Hyper-Threading feature. Thanks for excellent support, ozzimark! Frankly speaking, I supposed that OPNs of AMNxxxxBKX5BU are related to the processors with a CPUID of 20FC0h, therefore a previous build 0501 didn’t report an OPN-number and announce date.
glad i could help VVJ, for those curious, here's a shot of the updated version at stock speeds.
also, a thing to note, i had.. difficulty booting at stock speeds. turns out i had to tighten down some of the secondary ram timings :confused:
just a heads up :p:
I'll start a new thread when I have everything up and running.Quote:
Originally Posted by shuRe
*is impatient*
:p:
YHPM.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostedflakes