Oh yeah!! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
3Ghz SuperPi 16M stable on watercooling :woot:
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Oh yeah!! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
3Ghz SuperPi 16M stable on watercooling :woot:
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Originally Posted by furyfax
Monarch does not have them at the moment and they are so much in the back order (mine is two weeks already) that you have no chance of getting it any time soon so it would be a good idea of looking somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by joe2004
Monarch has the Retail 3700 SD listed IN STOCK!!
Anyone notice any issues with 10x multi ??
my San Diego (see sig) is fine at 9x and 11x but at 10x its flaky.
I'm running 414-3 bios now going to try 414-1 and see if it resolves the issuses I'm having at 10x.
i think 414-1 is better for TCCD memory. Sometimes Multi can be picky. You might hit higher with one than the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
Removing IHS gets me 100mhz on water. Improves a lot of stability as well.
I'm curious, did you get a shipping notice yesterday, or your CPU today? I read your post yesterday and e-mailed Joe, and he said he changed my OEM CPU to a retail CPU, but I haven't gotten a shipping notice. I'm HOPING they got it shipped out yesterday... I want to play with this over the weekend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
Promises, promises. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by soul
Unfortunately no, Joe emailed me this morning and said the shipment came in last night so they didn't have enough time to get them out last night :( though he's shipping them out this morning and we will get the shipping noticed either this afternoon or evening, so we won't get it till Monday, nothing to play with this weekend.....sucks! :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by soul
yea i know....nothing we can do though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
90nm 4000+ SDQuote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
in stock as of this moment.
:(Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
And I paid $67 more than that LAST week....
C
It's better if you ignore it and don't look at prices for a month or two. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
So far not to bad.Does anyone else get the CPU-Z mem bug?Every other software and windows reoorts correct amount of memory.CPUZ reports double whether I use 2x256 or 2x512.
Vapo LS
Zippy PSU
just received the Fedex tracking number for my Retail 3700 San Diego, I will get it on next monday....can't wait!! :D :D I'm wondering if I could stop by Fedex on Saturday and pick it up instead of waiting till Monday...haha
Still nothing for me... here's hoping. I was actually thinking of calling FedEx to find out if they could add Saturday delivery for me.. heh. After looking at their website though, it seems they only do Saturday delivery for priority overnight, and second day shipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
Ahh well, Monday isn't bad. I'm just getting tired of looking at my current AGP-based socket 754 system, and my new PCI-express video card sitting alone, waiting for a motherboard to call home.
What kind of cooling, RAMMIE? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMMIE
What cooling/temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMMIE
And how much better are the 4000+'s doing vs. the 3700's? I'm considering selling my 3500+ clawhammer and getting a 3700, wondering if it'll clock as good as these nice 4000+'s I'm seeing.
vapo LS
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8561747
stock card clocks
Holy smurfys batman, My 4000+ ships tonight!!! :banana: :banana: :clap: :woot: :D
Whee, I got my shipping notice! I'm hoping for around 3ghz on my water cooling setup, but I think I'll settle for anything relatively close. Monday should be interesting..
RAMMIE, that 24hour prime stable?
I wonder what kind of steppings and heatsink/fan we gonna get with these Retail version... :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by soul
haven't triedQuote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
This is true on miy 3700 SD .Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
Stable as hell with 11x250 and even 9x310 , but 10x275 would result in looping reboots after POST (all defualt Vcore so far)
Any signs of instability? Still wanna know the temps
just tried to boot with the 10x multi and got a BSOD half way through loading windows :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
My 4000+ : http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/WCM_MS_1.55V.PNGQuote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
OCCT TEST @ 3.09 GHz @ 1.55V in Water :)
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Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
vapo ls load=evap-47 cpu guess -20
It's "funny", my 4000+ work better with 10x that 9 or 11x :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
awesome!!!! 3240mHz 3D stable on Vapo LS.... outstanding!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMMIE
C
? My 3700+ primed for 12hrs @ 10 x 280Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
And I can boot @ 10 x 290
2906 10x290
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Originally Posted by Jessfm
what mb and bios Jessfm ?
OCfreak your using Asus A8N SLI ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
I'm not the only one that has issues at 10x so it seems, just wondering if its a DFI bios issue ?
Got my 3700 finally, working well so far except 1 problem. My 11x multi will not work whatsoever, I cant boot into windows even at stock speed with 11x. Anyone know a cause/ solution for this?
I'm just as impressed that he's running 2gigs of memory (although FutureMark is not picking it up) and I'm guessing its 4 512mb sticks of TCCD so that's a 2T run. It might be an odd WR. I've never seen it, but I like it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Ahh looks like MonarchJoe didnt upgrade my shipping to overnight, according to the fedex tracking number its set for 2 day like I had originally asked for back on 04/15. This is for a retail 3700+ btw. Ohh well the rest of my gear doesnt arrive till Tuesday anyways.
I preordered mine last week and requested the cheapest shipping possible and it was upgraded to 2-day. I imagine he just gave everyone 2-day shipping. Since he was shipping out on a friday, it wouldn't seem logical to do overnight because it wouldn't get there until monday anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by sense
damn what a lovely cpu, i almost bought myself a venice on ebay but i think i'll wait a little longer to get my hands on this baby :woot:
it really is a look-a-like of the fx-55
auwch :fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I got my San diego yesterday along with a neo 2 platinium nforce3. The cpu booted right away with bios version 1.4 and multipliers and name string were all correct. :banana:
So far im using the stock cooler so have only done low overclocking running currently at 240 x 11 = 2646 mhz thats at stock voltage. Idles at 32 degrees loads at 42 degrees.
Im going to move it into my vapochill PE tommorow to really see what it can do.
The neo 2 set 2 t for the ram with a san diego and there was no option to change that in bios. I upgraded to 1.8 bios and that didnt help so im using athlon 64 tweaker to set 1 t when windows starts. 1 t works fine when i do it that way so hopefully they will make a new bios to fix that glitch.
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Originally Posted by gundamit
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...503#post850503
I think it's a CPU-Z bug that displays double the amount of ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
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Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
Yes DFI
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Originally Posted by Major Slaughter
Yes A8N-SLI deluxe bios 1007
hi lads, ive not looked into these new chips much yet (been to stuck into my new addiction - guild wars) can anyone tell me the maximum voltage these are safe to run at using phase? (mach2 GT unmodified to be exact)
looking forward to getting mine soon, new ram whisking its way to me as well :) (i love the week after payday lol)
I have teh crappiest 3700 SD so far, can't boot @ anything over 2600 or 9x275 so far @ any voltages.
I will NEVER order a chip again, I MUST be able to SEE it in PERSON before I buy.
Me thinks winnie is going back in b4 teh end of the week and I will get my pleasure from this chip w/ a :hammer: since I won't be getting another for A LONG TIME :brick: :upset:
Be patient man, I had the exact same problem. Give CMOS a good long clearing and try a different multi.
Yes... mine is a bit odd as well. I can put it up to 2850 fine at 1.7v and run SuperPi 32M, Memtest is fine, all games play fine for 4 hours+, can loop all 3dMarks, but Prime95 can't even pass 1st test. Tried all bioses... I think I'm gonna go ahead and give up on Prime...
i haven't read all the topic. in conclusion this san diego are good or bad? have they any problems?
thank you
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Originally Posted by mad mikee
sell it to someone on ebay for a profit/brkeven more than likely they will only run it at stock speeds anyways.
I'd sell before too long and you looose money on the chip.
Hi, going to order a a new cpu soon and considering between a 3200+ and 3700+. Can I check if most of the 3700s are able to hit at least 2.7Ghz on stock cooling?
hi Cador
Im using stock cooling on my 3700 at the moment and its running at 2750 mhz 250 x 11 at 1.47 volts.
I did take the stock fan off though and am using a sunon 80 mm fan temperatures are 29 degrees idle and 42 degrees load. Havnt tried for more clocks yet as i have a vapochill to put the mobo into.
Regards
CPU number
ADA2700DAA5BN
CABGE 0515SPMW
1237218D50918
Yes Monarch shipped mine on friday, so i will get it on Tuesday :toast:
Hopefully my Neo2 doesn't give me any :banana::banana::banana::banana:. :stick:
Ok, sorry guys who've been waiting forever...
I ordered my 4000+ on friday, and they gave me 2 day automatically. Its on its way supposedly. However, that brings me to a question. I have some ocz vx pc-4000 and a dfi sli-dr. Should I use the 414-3 bios (I think I got that right)? Is that the best bios to use for winbond utt?? I guess the tccd bios of choice is 414-1 but for the utt???
The 414-3 appears to be good for most people at the moment with the new cores and UTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by obscurehero
for those who couldn't get your SD to OC'ed past 2.75Ghz stable, can you please post the steppings? is it OEM or Retail?
Maybe the heatsink didn't sit properly on the cpu? you can try different BIOS as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad mikee
From what I've seen all the san diego's have the same steppings now. Well the oems anyways.
That a retail chip?? Not bad for stock cooling!
Can you guys list your cooling specs out when you post those on the actual OC thread? As well as your entire hardware setup preferably? Steppings too? Kthx. I like the screenies, but I need a bit more info with those.
hello, I am I aim to order my San Diego but it is worth the trouble to pay 148dlls but between 3700+ and 4000+? ... since I want to replace my old Winchester Overclocker not very
Translation: I want to order a San Diego, but I dont know if it is worth it to pay the extra 148dlls? for the 4000+ over the 3700+. Since I really want to replace my old Winchester that does not overclock very well. :toast: :banana: :lol: :hehe: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinal
lol P_1, spinal it seems a bit much to pay for an extra 200mhz, get the 3700 and make it sweat imo ;)
(Then /me goes and quietly convinces machine to run memtest #8 for 1 hr @ 300x10 (of course not stable and have to run @1.7vcore :mad: )Quote:
Originally Posted by mad mikee
Then /me pulls out ancient mismatched set of .5G LLPT + .5G KHX3200 (BH5 :D ) and fiddles some, ran OCCT (900 meg mem usage) for 5+ hrs last nite at sig settings w/ just about every setting LOW (haven't tried 1.5 CAS too much yet).).
Sig reflects current state of affairs. Also redid my water cooling loop and added my x800xl to the loop. New pics tonite in the WC gallery if I get time :D (And I STILL Have to get the 2-342 installed in teh new case! )
What´s the differrence between thees 2 san diegos?
ADA3700DAA5BN
ADA3700BNBOX
?????????????????????????????
Aa5bn = Oem
Bnbox = Retail
3700+ came. CABGE 0515SPMW, AA5BN.
Thank u mate :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
Saftlad,
What cooling? and what stepping and week
Ah, you are unfair conrad :) I asked about the multi in there, and once I found the answer I deleted my post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
hes using phasechangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Waus-mod
bad timings help to get a high cpu frequency with SD??
it's an impression
8M@3215MHz = 4'45"062
FedEx finally decided to show up with my stuff... haven't gotten it installed yet, but the IHS is labeled:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubescen
ADA3700DAA5BN
CABGE 0512XPMW
Also got a free t-shirt from Monarch. I got a good laugh when I noticed that the t-shirt has a sticker on the label that says "Warranty void if removed". Heh. Off to setup my system, and hope for the best...!
Can you post results soul?
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Originally Posted by Saftlad
cooling?
phase change, cpu temp -13c, look at the pic
Omg , 3300MHz thats insane ! :eek: Not many FX55 will do that :eek: Why did i bought this Venice with only 3150MHz max. overclock ? :slap: :mad: Dang i need to sell it and try a SanDiego insted :slap:
Wonder whats causing this big decrease in memory bandwidth. Your timings could be different than saftlad's.
no the sandiego core has a drop in memory bandwidth compared to old winchester and claw cores
maybe it can be fixed in a bios upgrade
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Ritalin Rehab Advice
I wonder too...Hows fx55BN will compare to 55-130nm..
The San Diego need less vcore to run the same speed as the Venice, but the SD runs almost 20 degree hotter....around 60'C under load! I ran the PCmark04 to compare to his Venice and found almost no gain, cpumark99 is slightly higher that's about it, at this point I don't know if it really worth the extra money for gain that I can barely see over the Venice, though I have a single stage phase change on the way soon, will have to wait and see how well it does under extreme temperature, I hope this SD has slightly higher ceiling...
My 3700 SD:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=30129
Venice:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=29723
the temp diode does not read correctly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
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Originally Posted by Dumo
Got one coming in later this week. :D But then again my 130 55 does 3 gighz on water so I'm not expecting miracles.
This is going to become a problem, if a mod is going to move posts out of the OC thread and into the discussion thread, they need to edit the post and include a link to the post being referred to. This thread is just going to end up being a "dump" for all posts that don't belong in the OC thread with none of them really correlating with each other as a discussion...
368 vs 332 for CPUmark result sure looks like a 10% improvement for 1M cache vs 512K cache....in this particular bench, certainly worth noting.
Also, 26m 54sec vs 26m 09sec is a nice gain for simply large cache.
cpumark99 is the only benchmark that shows more than 5% gain, otherwise 3DMark, PCmark, Sandra, Winrar, and any other benchmarks didn't show much. look at the version of my SuperPI....it's the SSE3 patched version so the gain is expected, I'll run the unpatched version to show you the jaw dropping gain I got :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
with my 3000+ I get 26.9s at 3046MHz unpatched version and my 4000+ has 26.9s at 2992-5MHz but I believe the FX-55 is better than the SD for SPIQuote:
Originally Posted by ben805
-200/300MB/s of bandwidth is too bad
improvement of 1.5-2%
I also noticed that as well, the FX-55 also yield a noticeable higher memory bandwidth so maybe the memory controller on those FX are superior to the SD or Venice? my SD on memtest also shows couple hundreds less than the Venice and Winnie so I don't know what the deal is....maybe it's just a software or bios bugs, still toying with the idea of getting a used FX-55 to run on PS but I'll hang on to the SD for now, and hopefully it's just a software issues that can be patch with future updates. I have the Mushkin Redline XP4000 on the way so maybe it will be a different story to pair them up together.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
If I had to do it all over again and if I were to stick with air or water cool, I'll definitely get the Venice, the SD is very toasty....underload is around 59~60'C, the Venice running at the same speed and higher vcore only load at 42~45'C, that's quite a different, perhaps removing the IHS should help but since I have the phase change on the way, I better keep it on for now. I'll load up the Windows 2003 Server and see how it does..
Agree. I have now SD 3700 and this is not better than Venice 3000 while it is $200 more. Venice overclocks better on air and the 1 MB gain on L2 cache is too little advantage, as far as I am concerned. The difference is minimal. I can get SD to 2.75 with 1.5V and this is where it gets hot already. Venice can take 1.7V and I can get it to 2.85 GHz.
Frankly, SD is a waste of money, in my view.
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Originally Posted by joe2004
I wanted to get a SD too but seeing the results made me think of venice more. And i think the gain of 1MB L2 is very minimal.
I think if you have a phase change cooling then this is a worthy chip. It is just simply too hot to overclock high on air.
Yup, if you're going to air/water cool...looks like the Venice is probably a better choice since it runs MUCH cooler, probably better chances to overclock higher as well. IMHO the 1MB L2 cache is overrated and if you have a tight budget and trying to get the most out of your money, then I don't think 3700 SD worth the extra $144 over the 3200 Venice, and of course...this is just my personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
But as Joe said, phase change and the like should combat the high heat that these SD puts out..
minimal is an overstatement, give me sometime and I'll give you a side by side comparison of these two chips under PCMark04 at the same clock speed, this is my preference benchy because it gives me a better picture of an overall performance such as audio/video encoding/decoding, file compression, encryption, virus scan and stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by webbyboy
i was thinking the same thing while testing my sandiego then i poped the heat spreader and my load temps went from 56c on water to 42c with prime95 and thats with more v-core and 100mhz higher overclock!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
my heatspreader had bubble gum under it it was a bad sight. i dont think they use shin etsu anymore mine had gray buble gum stuff. i lost 18c by removing it and can now run pi at 2930 when before it maxed at 2800 so......
do it!!
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Volcano vaporizer
I bought OPB's 4000+ Sandy CABHE 0515 SPMW. Anyone experience this ? OPB managed 2850mhz at 1.45v on air using X-90C but i can't get anywhere near that on water ?
superpi 1m stable only with 12x cpu multiplier at:
2700mhz at 1.52v
2760mhz at 1.57v
2808mhz at 1.65-1.67v
try <1.5v and BSOD on windows boot
on
DFI NF4 SLI-D with 414-3 and 310 official bios set to 3.3v psu rail jumper (default)
2x 256MB Gskill PC4400LE does 290-315mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T on winnie/clawhammer
2x 512MB Gskill PC4400LE does 290mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T on winnie
2x eVGA 6800U PCI-E SLI 71.89WHL
120GBW D 1200JB
650W Silverstone SLI PSU
6.39 chipset driver
WinXP PRO SP2
did fresh windows install with 6.53 remix drivers and WinXP PRO SP2 and exact same poor ocs :(
i'm using MCW6002 waterblock with MCP650+MCP600 in series and Thermochill 120.3 with 3x Panaflo 103cfm fans on high speed.
at stock 12x200mhz windows smartguardian idles cpu at 29-31C and load 39-41C
tried using 166 and 180 dividers as well as same problems unstable superpi 1m and pifast errors immediately.
Any ideas ? :(
alright well ive done some reading and as i got my 3700 SD today i want to clear some stuff up.
im getting phase-change so should i still remove the IHS?
whats the max safe voltage benching and the max safe 24/7?
has anyone run one on a stock hsf, if so, what did you get?
thanks guys..oh and at say 3.3ghz, does anyone know about how many watts of heat this babby puts out?
i've got the same impressions on fx55 vs 3700SD in terms of mem bandwidth. overall i think SD will oc higher than fx55 on single phase. i'm not sure the lower mem bandwidth is real or simply a glitch in the programs that measure it. for example, if you take a look at the 32m scores i posted in the following thread, at nearly the same clocks, the SD is faster even though it's 8mhz slower on cpu and 4mhz slower on ram speed
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...598#post856598
@eva, my only guess would be the psu, how is the silverstone? i'm assuming opb is on pcpc 850. have you tweaked drive strength (i know you probably have) also what are opb's ambient temps versus yours?
edit: max spi 1m stable 3.3g (for now, need to sleep)
http://img237.echo.cx/img237/1871/superpi1m2587fl.jpg
My impression is now that SD is not worth one penny over Venice and certainly not $200 more than Venice 3000. As a matter of fact whoever intends to use air only cooling should get Venice.
I can clearly see how SD gets hotter and then drops in performance. I compare the SuperPi iterations on Venice at 2.8 GHz and SD at 2.75 GHz. SD goes faster in the first 5-8 iterations and then starts dropping down to Venice, at the end my Venice chip gets better than SD.
I am sure this is a consequence of heating up.
Now, if I had a phase change this would probably be a different story. Thats an idea. :slapass:
So i´m on the way of requesting a Sandy 3700+.....you really think it´s not a good deal against the Venice in terms of oc? (will use watercooling and i really dont need to go past 2800Mhzs or so, btw it´s a G4+Bix3+Bix), will mix it with DFI Ultra D and UTT mushkin BLue mems
thanx
for benching sureQuote:
Originally Posted by AKRedneck
NO!!!
my SD 3700+ CABGE 0512 XPMW has the same behaviour (though in my case i can use 11 and 10 multi) - cpu on water and now i am struggling for 2900. I havent tried with air cooling to compare and find out any differences with watercoolingQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000