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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Not really, i've tried 255 with bt-d43 hynixes 3-4-4-8
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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Not really, i've tried 255 with bt-d43 hynixes 3-4-4-8
So is there a noticable difference between the 3000+ and 3200+, I've seen some failure stories about the 3000+, and I'm really wondering if the 25% price difference is worth it.
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Originally Posted by AMD-me
Well it's up to you, 200mhz more will be good if you can't clock that high.
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Originally Posted by Tibu
How about upping your voltage to 1.5 - 1.6v?
I thought these Venices were supposed to hit 2800 on air at 1.4?
They are overclocking slightly worse than, uh, CBB(F/H)D Winnies circa 0441-0448.
My 3000+ does 2748; 3200+, 2728; two 3500+s do 2760: CAA2C does 2880. All on mild water (HC200).
I guess I'll stay put and don't sell. :woot:
Aren't they supposed to have better memory controllers? So now all the LEs are running 300, 2.5-3-3-6 at 1T???
What does EPEW indicate about the chip. Also if I ordered from the EGG and their pics show EPEW will I get an EPEW. This can't happen. I hate crappy overclockers. I've had to many in life. Why dosen't everybody with a Winnie get Phase change stop throwing away money freeze the son of a B!t#h!
What if the good OC Venices disappear ?
Should I get mine now or wait ?
It's just luck.
You might end up with a hell of a ocer but might as well get a crappy won't-do-2500 chip.
Well I guess what I'm asking is, has anybody seen a good OC'er from the EGG
They don't seem to be getting any better. I bought mine a few days ago because I don't want to be a victim of another CBBID Winchester fiasco. If I were you I'd get one now, or wait a few months for a dual core machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
i was a victim of the CBBID disaster ! so i didnt take any chances this time, and ordered a 3200+ from NCIX last week ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
What a coincidence-- that's where I bought mine. I hope it comes this week, and I'm curious to see the weeks NCIX is shipping. :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnt_Ram
I have a retail (boxxed) 3200 venice on the truck for delivery today. Got it from sparco at $208 to the door, which schpanks the eggs retail (no-deal). I will be posting the datecode/stepping info as soon as I get it for ya.
I do have some thoughts to share regarding cpu's and their ability to OC. The stepping and date codes do make a general difference but there have been some good CBBID winnies as well, although not as many. My understanding (although from an Intel engineer) is that where your core is cut from on the wafer makes a significant difference in the head-room. For example cores cut from the center area will tend have a tighter, more uniform molecular structure than cores cut from the outer 1/2 of the pie and are typically able to handle higher frequencies at default vcore. The wafer itself, where its cut, when its cut.... all make a difference.....
In other words hows your luck?????
Mine typically suks, but I'm hopin for a change....... gotta happen sooner or later..... :clap:
The venices are already hit or miss.
Mine sucks, I think the Egg gets all the outta wafer cores and they ship them to me when I order. :rolleyes:
hehehe
I have to agree with you man. I have 4X512MB DT-D43 and they don't work with my SLI-D. I was planning to use the 2GB for gaming and keep my VX for benching :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Well there's no need to at this speed. It's COMPLETELY stable. Once I jump into 2.8ghz range I'll up it to 1.5v. Right now I'm happy where I am and I don't want to push my look with this DFI board asQuote:
Originally Posted by webbyboy
1. I have no prior experience with A64 and DFI boards
2. I am SCARED of this board suddenly crapping out on me and dying right before my eyes.
3. I want to burn in the processor some more and let the AS5 settle out a bit.
But for now, I am a happy camper as I actually think I got a great stepping for once. LBBLE 0515FPAW... IT even SOUNDS good doesn't it? :hehe: :cheer:
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Originally Posted by P_1
my 3000+ from monarch oem
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=16658
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Originally Posted by Filter
Cooling? Prime stable?
I'll just stick with my winnie :p:
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/CPUS/3...30.27%20PM.jpg
Filter: :with: -the stupid part
I have a 3000+ OEM from monarch comin in today or TM. Will post results on air.
Dnottis: What about your winnie, is that air or water?
Man my winnie can run 300+mem at like 2.2ghz or below...
Please post your results :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bonzer
So...monarch OC's better than newegg. Any news on ZipZoomFly?
Air - it's in my sig, using XP90 with Thermaltake Silent Cat 9 (52cfm @ 21dba). Max load is about 49 deg c. I know I should've never even bothered with a venice - but 2.8 looks SOOOO good :) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
i don't if if there's an anwer to my question already posted....but i'cant boot my 9NDA3+ epox with a 3800+ Venice...is it necessary to update the bios to resolve this matter?
rasta,
I have the 9nda3j and it should boot without issue. I read another user had a winnie and converted to venice on this mobo. He had to clear cmos, reload optimized defaults and it worked. Epox suggests updating to rev E compatible bios afterwards.
I had a similar problem. Strange ritual required to cold boot:Quote:
Originally Posted by rastaseb
1. Turn off power supply switch (or unplug if there is no switch)
2. Press and hold power button on front of case
3. Turn main power back on (or plug in)
4. Release power button a few seconds after power up.
This has worked reliably for me for the past week since I got my Venice. I have no problems with warm boots, only cold boots. I hope this helps! :D
What's the WR for a 3500+? Everyone seems to want to bash the Egg chips when mine is doing better than 99% out there. Granted i'm on phase change, it's still a great chip. I'm like 10MHz off from getting a verified pic at 3.5GHz, i really want to match the PR rating :p:
Cooling ?
look in his sig: XP-90
interesting??Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Duke
what kinda power supply are you runnin and system specs?? almost sounds like its 'on the edge'...
Where I can get the SuperPI patch?
Where do you think a better place to buy is: Newegg or Monarch? I'm looking at another 3200 (killed my winnie somehow, is it possible to overtighten a hs?) I'm tempted to go w/ Monarch because it seems that is where everyone is getting them from.
I've been wondering that myself. Look for superpi prescott patch on google or something. Thing is that I'm looking for a superpi that has sse3 patch + milisec patch/anticheat. Can't find it.
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Originally Posted by cardnut99668
I got a crappy one from the 'egg, however my luck at Monarch isn't much better... roll the dice.
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Originally Posted by dnottis
How bad was that one exctaly? it didn't even pass 2.7GHz?
about to pick up a 3000+... wondering this myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cardnut99668
I think in general NewEgg is shipping crappy OC chips. Not sure if its just our luck or maybe..meh idk
Well I just got my new Venice 3200+
Was running Winnie 3200+ 2560mhz stable model CBBID 0505 APEW
Just switched to the Venice chip and left every thing as it was. Booted right up to the overclocked settings of the Winnie no problems. Tested stable so I cranked it up a few times. Up to 2620 stable so far...
Was surprised, no tweeking needed, just kept on scaling.. More test tomorrow. :D
Monarch LBBLE 0516 EPGW
it did 2.7, would prime pass 2.6 though. it did super pi @ 2.720, but thats not 100% stability....and it needed about 1.7v to do 2.7 Super Pi stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
my winnie on the other hand..
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/CPUS/3...30.27%20PM.jpg
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Originally Posted by Badge56
Prime it.
my venice 3800+ bench , ac xp90+paspt90mm
http://kamui.kenshiro.free.fr/dfi/ven.jpg
5 hours is nothing, I have had crashes at 8 or 13 hours while testing an OC. Most people here will say 24 hours of prime shows true stability. I prefer at least 12 hours for my own CPUs.
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/CPUS/3...rimestable.jpg
3DMark stable I guess, of course.
http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/20/53...3138343433.jpg
this is my current setting. the problem is, that i am not be able to run the venice with 270 2 2 2 8 @ 3,6v. but my corsair is able to do that with my winchester:
http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/20/53...3630393339.jpg
could this be a problem with the bios? at the moment the 310p is running.
here is the rest og my config:
3500+ venice
dfi ultra-d
2 x 512 mb corsair 3500 rev 1.1 bh-5
x850xt
ect....
Hey i got a 3000+ 0502 GPAW coming tomorrow
:)
Aint got any idea wht it will do, hopefully 'GPAW' will follow in the steps of 'SPAW'
:toast:
Mine is an FPAW, and I'm hoping for the same. So far it seems to be holding up. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
In my mind I have nothing to loose since the memcontroller on my Winnie craps out early before the top end speed can be reached and even that isnt too high.. I get max prime stable at like 2480 (then again I havent tried the REAL low dividers like 133, this is all with a 166) all @ 1.58-1.6v on XP-120 max load 45C.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
My Ram can reach 323mhz (i dunno if it is unstable or if it is my memcontroller), I just hope the the Venice can spank :slapass: the turdlet memory controller of my winnie @ decent clocks...
Now at 2800 mhz but had to lower RAM to 180 divider.Ram craps out at about 270. Mushkin L2 V2. 2.5.3.3.7. Now at 254 mhz with 180 divider.
Super-Pi , PCmark2002, 3dMarrk2001se, Nbench,stable.
Last night I Primed (95) for 11 hours. NO error at 2700 mhz 1:1 (200)divider.
Will Prime at 2800 again tonight but looks 100% stable...
I'm getting a 3200+ 0515APAW from a nice guy Lithan :D. Hopefully it will clock higher than 2700mhz
Nope, not bloody likely - this same combo works fine with my winny. My PS is a Seasonic Super Tornado 450. Thanks for your concern though. I think something is goofy with my motherboard so I have another on the way to try. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by bonzer
Hi all.
I couldn't even get my Venice to do 32M SuperPi at 295x9 at 2.5-4-3-7. So I flashed with 414-3 and I got it to SuperPi at 270x10 at 2.5-4-3-6. This was at 1.425+123% tho :( My RAM seems to like 2.8V, when I have 2.9 or 2.7 I get lots of Memtest errors..
I tried doing Prime Torture-Blend and it only ran for 7min at 290x9! Using Smartguardian by highest CPU temp is 38C during SuperPi or Prime (at 1.71V).
Suggestions on a better OC?
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Originally Posted by Badge56
Badge, try 2t or 1t with a single stick. With my venice 3000+ my TCCD will do 290 @ 2.5-3-2-7 At 2t with a gig or 1t with 512. But with a gig at 1t caps almost exactly where your mushkin is stuck. ~270mhz. Im not sure what to blame, but it doesn't seem like the ram's at fault here. (Why would you lose 20mhz just for adding a second stick?)
Well troops I finally got my retail 3200BP box from sparco today... :banana:
Looks like my luck may have turned for the better?????
LBBLE 0515GPBW
Time will tell...........................
I'm freaking out lol my new 3200+ from newegg comes tommorrow. I'm begging for anything but EPEW.
So EPEW for the most part sucks? CBBLE, LBBLE are good?
Mine is an LBBLE FPAW and right now does 2.9ghz @ 1.6v on AIR(check the venice overclock results forum). And a couple of other "XPAW" are doing the same or higher. In short, I doubt anyone with a "PAW" stepping is going to get a turd.
Just receved today. Oem from monarch, 3200 LBBLE 0516EPGW. No time to test yet. Will post results when I can. Hoping for anything better than my CBBID winnie.
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Originally Posted by vapb400
If you are looking for 2.6 - 2.65 its fine - anything about 2.7 wouldnt prime regardless of volts. :(
Do you think APAW will do well too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
If I was betting man, I'd yes, it'll at least do the average 2.7-2.8ghz. Don't quote me on that though. :stick:
any chance you can show us your bios settings. i have the dfi sli-d board, but my memory is tccd g.skill. wow 2.9 on air is awesome. i got an xp-120 and i'm hoping i can reach that speed on air :). thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Well I wish I could show you my BIOS settings but unfortunately I don't own a digicam. I'll try and write them down I guess.
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Originally Posted by Tibu
just the basics like mem timings, 1T, 3x ldt and voltages. thanks.
Is this enough?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...emsettings.jpg
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Originally Posted by Tibu
cool thanks. just what i needed.
Who cares about Prime. Other programs can be run to ascertain stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Remember those settings are for BH-5 type ram and NOT for TCCD based ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
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Originally Posted by tritium
You can trick yourself into think it's stable too by using apps that show it to be stable. Although it could SuperPI - it would fail Prime95 and while gaming she locked up. So while I could say it's Super PI stable, it locking up gaming shows that is NOT 100% stable. I hate prime95 as much as the next guy but cmon it does show stability when run at length.
folding @ home is also good for stability, and ur helping research at the same time :P.
You shouldn't be stress testing with FAH. You're submitting bogus data :(Quote:
Originally Posted by winston64
The first letter is the day it was made, so I wouldn't think that'd be true. Unless the quality across batch numbers is the same each day, which is possible. I don't know anything about how cores are made. :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
come on guys. is there a better bios for the dfi than the 310p? remember i have some bh-5.
thanks!
Get the 414-2. Do a search for it on the forums and youll find the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoKi2k
Anybody got a 3000+ which does 2.8-2.9 GHz stable on air?
Check with gorod ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Venice hates Hynix - even with the memory on a divider the PC4000 was under DDR500 and the PC would not do anything but cycle a post. Worked fine with Winchester. Just gave it a go to see if I could do anymore with my Venice. Someone mentioned the DFI Ultra-D not liking hynix, thats not correct, venice just doesnt seem to.
Dean
FINALLY up and runnin, not totally loaded yet as I started playin with the ram. I have got some very interesting results so far. 1st for my setup...
Epox 9NDA3J rev 2.1 (week 4/05), heatsinks installed on all 8 mosfets, 6-cpu, 2-ram. now runnin 5401 bios. Alpha PAL 8150 with TT smartfan at (manual) 4000rpm. TT 480watt W0010 PS with PFC.
3200 venice (retail) LBBLE 0515GPBW
512*2 GSkill 2-3-3-6 econo pc3200's slot 1&2
2*WD800JB 80gig SE. IDE drives on primary M/S, not raided at this time.
Sony 16x DVD, NEC-2510 8x on secondary M/S
9800pro, ATI TV-wonder slot-6, SB-Live 5.1 slot-5, 3-com 10/100 NIC slot-3.
System booted at 2Ghz with 4b08(12-8-04) bios from factory. Vcore default was 1.40v with this bios. Disabled all unecessary on-board devices (NIC, sound, serial ports). All timing/voltages at auto for now.
Re-Booted from DOS floppy and ran update.bat for flash to 5401. Vcore now default is 1.35v...
Loaded WinXP-SP1 promptly without issue, Nvidia 5.10 drivers GART-IDE-SmBus ONLY, DX-9c ATI cat 5.4's, xp-sp1 defaults for others at this time.
UDSM 3.1 shows 2.708 VDimm as (auto) in bios. Set to 2.6 bios (2.608 UDSM) as it appears that this board does not undervolt RAM... :)
Ran memtest86 test5 only version overnight at 2-3-3-6-1t (2.6v). Looked schpanky this morning. Now runnin prime95 torture before I came to work,,, at 100% cpu max temp 37C... :D
Not overclockin cpu yet cuz I wanna lower cpu multi to 8X, htt to 3x and ramp up clock to find max ram settings tonight at 2.5(3)-4-4-8(10)-1t(2t) which will take some time.
So far I'm very pleased with the results and lookin forward to :slapass: this cpu. It appears from AMD's data sheet that the 3200 venice's have either a 1.35 or 1.40 default vcore as they define it as (variable). I'm hope'n lower vcore = lower heat = higher head-room??? time will tell.
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Originally Posted by bonzer
I don't agree with your last sentence, if you want lower vcore, how are you going to do make it work harder? You want to have lower heat go for watercooling or get good HSF or even phase change. :)
What I'm gettin at is that the venices can be burned at the factory for either 1.35 or 1.40, my theory would indictate that the cpu's passing all the factory QC tests at the lower default vcore voltage are likely to have a higher margin of overhead at increased vcore voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by webbyboy
In other words this cpu required the lower voltage to pass AMD QC before it was shipped. Hence a very good possibility it will require less (overvoltage) to obtain the same overclocks as the 1.40 defaulted cores.... And I still gotta .05 vcore step to play with.... :toast:
like I said time will tell................... I will keep you posted
Is 1.35v printed on the IHS ?
The only 1.35v I saw as a 4000+ San Diego
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Originally Posted by ReelMonza
No its not however I believe it may be reflected in the last 4 letters???
3200 LBBLE 0515GPBW
check out this link for the default vcore(s) versus steppin
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...-venice_3.html
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Originally Posted by bonzer
Sadly the venice chips are just like the Winchesters I've had, I've had 9 of them looking for a good overclocker. I picked up a Venice to play with. They only go so far on stock volts, once you start upping the vcore quickly run out of 'headroom'. IE: one of my 9 winnies would need 1.488v to hit 292 HT, 1.53v to run 294, 1.58v to do 295 and 1.63v to run 297 HT. You hit that wall and quickly need more vcore to move 5 mhz on the HT which accounts to about 40 MHZ overall CPU speed. Is 40 MHZ really worth .1 volt? is it worth the added heat?
The Venice are the same way, regardless of burn in at the factory etc, the headroom theory isn't true. I've got 2 winnies here that can run @ 300 x 9 one needs 1.65v and the other needs 1.53, the Venice could not run stable past 2.65 Mhz regardless of vcore. They are just as much hit and miss regardless of what the stock settings show. Mine is a 3200 that boots and runs stock at 1.37 CPU-Z and bios but it didnt mean I had anymore headroom.
Dean
Can we make some early conlusion which 3000/3200+ Venice Stepping and/or CPU Assembly Date does overclock best or tends to overclock best ?
Anything with PAW seems to be good, like the Winchesters. Anything other than that seems to be hit or miss, mine is LBBLE EPEW, anything with PEW seems to live up to that expectation and they stink (PEW). :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I already forgot my stepping. I run it @ 1.55v 2600mhz. Probably a PEW, I'll check when I rip down my rig tomorrow.
So if I understand you correctly you are basing your conclusions on the fact that you have run 9 winchesters and 1 venice. Sadly, your total lack of experience with more than 1 the venice core hardly justifies your means..... or qualifies you as the venice authority.. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
I feel sorry you got biffed 9 times on your winnies and apparrantly 1 more time with your venice.. Remind me to never go shopping or gambling with you.... :clap:
The last four letters have nothing to do with voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bonzer
If it's really 1.35v it should be printed on the IHS.
Look:
http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...ages770989.jpg
Dean- you of all people should know not to make generalizations like that, especially this early on ;) How many Venices have you tried vs. how many winnies? I guarantee you'll find a Venice suitable for your needs in fewer tries than it took to find your winnie :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
BTW, both my venice 3500+ and 3800+ samples defaulted to 1.35 and didn't have that stamp. @ bonzer -so what's the default vcore on your 3200? You said it first defaulted to 1.4, then 1.35?
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Originally Posted by ReelMonza
craaaappppp, I didnt even notice..... :slap: , I was much to preoccupied with the date/step codes before mounted my sink
Don't place too much emphasis on that - read my above post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bonzer
default vcore was 1.4 with the early 12-8-04 bios installed from epox.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
default vcore was 1.35 after I flashed to the latest Rev E. compat bios (5401)
my 3500 oem came 1 day early!!
ADA3500DAA4BP
LBBLE 0515FPBW
Z634434D5xxxx
first time i have seen the FPBW.
so after average 3200 venice from monarch(2700+ - see earlier posts and venice oc thread) i am trying one from newegg. will post on oc thread in a little while. fingers crossed.
very truly yours,
politenessman
Found an interesting post by hummer010 (moderator) at littleblackdog.com which ID's and speculates ALL 3 lines of an A64 cpu part number. Check out the 2nd quote in the initial post:
http://www.littleblackdog.com/viewto...asc&highlight=
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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I agree - but with the Winnies I gave up and bought two from people that had them doing 2.7 Ghz, my luck never got any better ;)
I've tried 1 Venice but after the Winnie fisco I'm done, I'll sit tight at 2.7g @ 1.53v. Unless every chip starts to deliver consistent overclocks I'll wait this round out.
Dean
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So if I understand you correctly you are basing your conclusions on the fact that you have run 9 winchesters and 1 venice. Sadly, your total lack of experience with more than 1 the venice core hardly justifies your means..... or qualifies you as the venice authority..
I feel sorry you got biffed 9 times on your winnies and apparrantly 1 more time with your venice.. Remind me to never go shopping or gambling with you....
I'm not saying Im an authority on Venice because I had one. But I definitely could be with the Winchester and cmon, honestly do you really think Venice is all that different that Winchester? Venice is winchester with a few revisions added to it, it's not new technology. Also, check the forums here there are as many people with max 2.5ish overclocks as there are with 2.8 Ghz overclocks - sounds like it's just as hit or miss as the Winchesters were. :nono:
Yeah, and it's a good thing I'm not a gambling man ;)
Dean
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Originally Posted by bonzer
Interesting link, thanks :D
I got a CBBLE EPEW from newegg :(
We'll see how it overclocks after i eat.
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Originally Posted by vapb400
:slap: Don't eat - OVERCLOCK it - this is XS :slapass:
lol I had a 516 EPEW too from Newegg - curious to see your results.
Dean
Maybe I missed it but out of curiosity what stepping are the retail 3200s that monarch is shipping?
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Originally Posted by mongoled
Turns out it wasn't a "0502 GPAW" I ended up with a CBBLE 0512DPBW and have removed the shim, and it is currently priming at 2900Mhz @1.7v. I will post screenies later
Damn, my Venice crashes on Prime at 2.5 ghz @ 1.45V
Too bad I forgot to check stepping before I mounted :(