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05-02-2005, 11:35 PM
Funny_S

drooool :eek2:
05-02-2005, 11:50 PM
trakslacker

i hope this isnt too OT, but when using RAM like this on the DFI boards, while the RAM will run hotter with more volts, the actual MOSFET area of the board will run cooler due to more of the 5v line being pumped directly into the RAM, correct? I'm jsut trying to debate what the tradeoff is and how risky it would be to run memory like this up around 3.7-3.8+ volts in a 24/7 setting, even with good memory and board cooling.

Is it doable, or should I only consider this stuff for benching runs? also, I wanna know how much these things cost!!! :slobber:
05-03-2005, 01:33 AM
KoNiaK

Duonger> Can you confirm that it is UTT-BH5 and not UTT-CH5 ?
05-03-2005, 03:50 AM
mrlobber

I posted the question on Mushkin forums, when are these sticks going to be available through Mushkin's website. After 24 hours, no replies yet.
05-03-2005, 04:22 AM
Zebbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoNiaK

Duonger> Can you confirm that it is UTT-BH5 and not UTT-CH5 ?

What makes you think this stuff is bh5-utt? Because old bh5 did better than ch5? Honestly, there's a huge amount things on those modules which affects overclockability, the chips are not the only one.

I think this is again a scenario where they can't tell (remember when OCZ VX hit the market)
05-03-2005, 04:30 AM
trans am

quote from Mushkin press release, "We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!"
05-03-2005, 05:23 AM
kryptobs2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo

^bare or with stock hs's on?

if they are the stock hs's then maybe they arent making good contact

bare
05-03-2005, 05:28 AM
Eldonko

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

quote from Mushkin press release, "We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!"

LOL! :bounces: :rofl:
05-03-2005, 06:18 AM
KoNiaK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebbo

What makes you think this stuff is bh5-utt? Because old bh5 did better than ch5? Honestly, there's a huge amount things on those modules which affects overclockability, the chips are not the only one.

I think this is again a scenario where they can't tell (remember when OCZ VX hit the market)

Already 2 persons said it was 'new bh5', that is to say UTT-BH5 or RevB-UTT. But no one confirm it really, I'd like to get this clear.

I never saw anyone benching SPI 1M @ 277MHz dual1024. I think the best I saw was 272 or 273MHz, one with UTT-CH5 and the other with 'old BH5'.

What suprise me is that VX got UTT-CH5 and for now they're the best 512MB sticks with tight timmings. I wonder if finaly UTT-BH5 would not be better than UTT-CH5.
But for now we do not have enough facts and we do not know how selected those sticks were.
05-03-2005, 07:30 AM
Duonger

We will be releasing the New products this week. It will be in conjunction with some things that we are doing inhouse. This is the information that I got from our meeting this morning. Please keep looking at our website. www.mushkin.com Resellers are informed already and it is a matter of how fast they can sku up the product.

Duonger
05-03-2005, 07:51 AM
uwackme

hmmm

TransAm..... were they wearing thier "magical underpants" when they were doing all this? :cool:
05-03-2005, 07:54 AM
FireDragon

So I havn't found this stuff anywhere has anyone else?

Dragon
05-03-2005, 07:54 AM
perkam

Nope

Perkam
05-03-2005, 08:05 AM
KoNiaK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

We will be releasing the New products this week. It will be in conjunction with some things that we are doing inhouse. This is the information that I got from our meeting this morning. Please keep looking at our website. www.mushkin.com Resellers are informed already and it is a matter of how fast they can sku up the product.

Duonger

Duonger, can you tell what IC are on them for sure ? or at least say that you don't know or can't say it :rolleyes:
05-03-2005, 08:08 AM
Duonger

I dont know. I am not previ to that anymore since the fiascal of the blues. sorry....

as mentioned...

We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!

Duonger
05-03-2005, 08:28 AM
largon

Some one try Trfc 12.

My guess is that they will not boot. (CH-UTT)
05-03-2005, 08:38 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

I dont know. I am not previ to that anymore since the fiascal of the blues. sorry....

as mentioned...

We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!

Duonger

:rofl:

C
05-03-2005, 08:45 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by uwackme

TransAm..... were they wearing thier "magical underpants" when they were doing all this? :cool:

You need to ask Duonger, He was an eye witness to the aforementioned mystical events.
I was only quoting the press release.

Kudos to Mushkin for hiring the physically handicapped. Mushkin is an equal opportunity employer. :toast:
05-03-2005, 09:33 AM
Zebbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoNiaK

Already 2 persons said it was 'new bh5', that is to say UTT-BH5 or RevB-UTT.

And whom these two persons might be? ;)
And what might be their source?
05-03-2005, 10:20 AM
JNav89GT

1 Attachment(s)

sorry been busy transferring my 4000+ diego over to Mach1 modded
32M super pi per request, maybe more, I dunno as just testing out Diego on this setup
05-03-2005, 10:24 AM
trakslacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust.

As long as the volts dont release the pixie dust from the memory in the form of magic smoke, I think we'll be just fine. :D
05-03-2005, 10:50 AM
KoNiaK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebbo

And whom these two persons might be? ;)
And what might be their source?

One is Charlie the other I don't remember but I guess he only repeated since he do not have the sticks. Go back if you like :D

Anyway charlie probably got this from someone in mushkin but I'd to be sure, and removing HS won't help since UTT is remarked.

There is 5MHz more that I ever saw - out of the two other kit 1 is also better than the best VX. Mushkin seams to take a different move than OCZ or GSkill, who both use UTT-BH5 @ 200SPD and OCZ prefer UTT-CH5 for 250SPD :confused:

I used to think that UTT-CH5 would go higher than UTT-BH5 now I'm not sure of that. And even if 512MB UTT-CH5 sticks where never selected by user really arshly, 2x256 are still beating them at SPI, those 5MHz are still important.
05-03-2005, 11:13 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoNiaK

One is Charlie the other I don't remember but I guess he only repeated since he do not have the sticks. Go back if you like :D

Anyway charlie probably got this from someone in mushkin but I'd to be sure, and removing HS won't help since UTT is remarked.

There is 5MHz more that I ever saw - out of the two other kit 1 is also better than the best VX. Mushkin seams to take a different move than OCZ or GSkill, who both use UTT-BH5 @ 200SPD and OCZ prefer UTT-CH5 for 250SPD :confused:

I used to think that UTT-CH5 would go higher than UTT-BH5 now I'm not sure of that. And even if 512MB UTT-CH5 sticks where never selected by user really arshly, 2x256 are still beating them at SPI, those 5MHz are still important.

There is more to the ram than just ic's ;)
05-03-2005, 11:45 AM
B5I8

I hope this pixie dust isn't like the pixie dust IBM used in their hard drives.
05-03-2005, 11:48 AM
charlie

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoNiaK

One is Charlie the other I don't remember but I guess he only repeated since he do not have the sticks. Go back if you like :D

Anyway charlie probably got this from someone in mushkin but I'd to be sure, and removing HS won't help since UTT is remarked.

There is 5MHz more that I ever saw - out of the two other kit 1 is also better than the best VX. Mushkin seams to take a different move than OCZ or GSkill, who both use UTT-BH5 @ 200SPD and OCZ prefer UTT-CH5 for 250SPD :confused:

I used to think that UTT-CH5 would go higher than UTT-BH5 now I'm not sure of that. And even if 512MB UTT-CH5 sticks where never selected by user really arshly, 2x256 are still beating them at SPI, those 5MHz are still important.

No, I don't KNOW what the Redlines are... never removed the spreaders. I said my old Mushkin BLUES were UTT-BH5...
05-03-2005, 11:56 AM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

There is more to the ram than just ic's ;)

With OCZ, GSkill and now Mushkin using the same ICs (new BH or CH) and PCB the only unique thing that Mushkin (or the others that follow) can bring to the table is the way they bin and their price points. If the reason Mushkin is taking a little more time to get to market is because they are taking more care in the way they bin and not because they aren't on top of breaking news in the enthusiasts market, then hopefully the net result is better performance than their rivals. If the extra time and care means more expense which results in slightly higher prices than their rivals, that may not be a problem for Muskin because OC'er will pay premiums for even tiny performance gains. I've noticed most of the posts are related to performance and how to find them. Very little mention of price. :)
05-03-2005, 11:59 AM
KoNiaK

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

There is more to the ram than just ic's ;)

Same PCB
05-03-2005, 12:02 PM
Zebbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoNiaK

Same PCB

And are you sure about that? :)
05-03-2005, 12:05 PM
alexio

This is just the same stuff as OCZ 4000 Gold VX I think, that means it's nice but not really special. If they are speed-binned at DDR500 I don't see a reason wy they should overclock better than the OCZ stuff so it's all about the price.
05-03-2005, 12:49 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexio

This is just the same stuff as OCZ 4000 Gold VX I think, that means it's nice but not really special. If they are speed-binned at DDR500 I don't see a reason wy they should overclock better than the OCZ stuff so it's all about the price.

thats what its rated to do, not what its speed binned to.
05-03-2005, 01:32 PM
SAE

Great results, great ram. If those sticks tend to get 270 on average they will definitely be THE sticks to BUY :D :up:
05-03-2005, 08:44 PM
Rabbi_NZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Some one try Trfc 12.

My guess is that they will not boot. (CH-UTT)

I agree largon... all the A64 screenies so far, apart from k|ngp|n's old school BH5 screenshot, seem to show Trfc >= 15

Trans Am, we're all still waiting for you to unleash the devine pixie dust on your enchanted modules! :toast:
05-03-2005, 09:35 PM
kamaleon

impressive... any price guess-timation??
05-04-2005, 02:18 AM
JNav89GT

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAE

Great results, great ram. If those sticks tend to get 270 on average they will definitely be THE sticks to BUY :D :up:

I can bench well into the 270's but about 268 is where memtest starts to get some errors and super Pi 32M maxes about 265-268 somewhere in there.
05-04-2005, 02:56 AM
SAE

Quote:

Originally Posted by JNav89GT

I can bench well into the 270's but about 268 is where memtest starts to get some errors and super Pi 32M maxes about 265-268 somewhere in there.

Hmm, maybe you can get higher later... these are great initial results - but remember the burn in effect ;)
05-04-2005, 08:13 AM
FireDragon

Why hasn't Micron come out with something to compete with the UTT stuff? they came out with the Ballistix line to deal withthe TCCD (that kinda failed...the A64 don't always play nice with it...also the EB used micron chips...) but they should have something on the table soon yes??

BTW MUSHKIN ROCKS CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON A GIG SET OF UTT-BH5 REDLINES (if they are infact BH-5 UTT but then again some of the CH-5 seem to clock better o well)

Dragon
05-04-2005, 08:21 AM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAE

Hmm, maybe you can get higher later... these are great initial results - but remember the burn in effect ;)

lets just hope they like burn-in too ;)
05-04-2005, 08:36 AM
kasius

This memory is not ready to buy, isn´t? I´m searching but I don´t see anything

Nice sticks, but I think they are same OCZ VX4000 :p:
05-04-2005, 09:30 AM
|3ourne

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDragon

Why hasn't Micron come out with something to compete with the UTT stuff? they came out with the Ballistix line to deal withthe TCCD (that kinda failed...the A64 don't always play nice with it...also the EB used micron chips...) but they should have something on the table soon yes??

BTW MUSHKIN ROCKS CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON A GIG SET OF UTT-BH5 REDLINES (if they are infact BH-5 UTT but then again some of the CH-5 seem to clock better o well)

Dragon

the ballistix can compete with TCCD very easily. The fact that they need voltage left them behind. We all know that the OCZ eb series needed some voltage to run tight timings. The Anandtech review of DFI NF4 with ballistix where they gave the ram around 2.9V showed that the ram can very well do 280 mhz. When you compare ballistix and tccd at the same clock rate , ballistix has BETTER performance than TCCD. The only thing going for tccd is the insane versatality that it offers . DDR400 with tight timings or DDR600 with loose timings. All can be done with the same ram module. Even ballistix did 2.5-3-3-6 at ddr560 with 2.9V. I know the difference between the performance of the two becoz I have owned both.
I wish i still had my pair of ballistix which i sold to my friend to test em out on my DFI with volts. I can betcha that ram can easily outperform TCCD with some volts. Becoz of the need for higher 1:1 ratio and low vdimm available with NF3 chipsets , ballistix still remains one of the most underrated ram on the market right now. If had a 3200+ or a 3500+ venice/winnie/sandiego , i would definitely give ballistix another try.
05-04-2005, 12:43 PM
g0dM@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

quote from Mushkin press release, "We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!"

Soooo soothing... :)
05-04-2005, 12:52 PM
Duonger

LOL LOL i still get a laugh when i read it...
05-04-2005, 01:47 PM
SAE

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdee

lets just hope they like burn-in too ;)

Why shouldn't they?! :D ;)
05-04-2005, 02:11 PM
SLaY3r07

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdee

lets just hope they like burn-in too ;)

Lets just hope they taste like chicken as well.
05-04-2005, 02:11 PM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAE

Why shouldn't they?! :D ;)

UTT seemed not to like burn-in
So this 'new batch' of BH-5 might not be the same with the good old one.
Ill test within a week some new BH5

time will tell ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLaY3r07

Lets just hope they taste like chicken as well.

i really hope so ;)
05-04-2005, 02:21 PM
SAE

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdee

UTT seemed not to like burn-in
So this 'new batch' of BH-5 might not be the same with the good old one.
Ill test within a week some new BH5

Yep, I know CH-x often does not like it... but iirc the BH-x dies are still manufactured in .175µ process. IMO that's enough :D
CH-UTT is .13µ cause it's CH die ;)
05-04-2005, 09:08 PM
Rabbi_NZ

Just for the record... the "new" BH5 is just the same old technology being produced again isn't it?
Nothing new, nothing added, nothing removed... just back in production to meet demand?

CH-UTT is a different story, we already know it's not he same as the old CH5... but I think these BH chips being produced now are identical.
05-05-2005, 12:24 AM
largon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ

CH-UTT is a different story, we already know it's not he same as the old CH5

:confused: Wha? How do the differ? Thought CH-UTT was just untested CH-die :confused:
05-05-2005, 12:45 AM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAE

Yep, I know CH-x often does not like it... but iirc the BH-x dies are still manufactured in .175µ process. IMO that's enough :D
CH-UTT is .13µ cause it's CH die ;)

im crossing my fingers ;)
05-05-2005, 12:48 AM
Rabbi_NZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

:confused: Wha? How do the differ? Thought CH-UTT was just untested CH-die :confused:

No, they are made on a different process apparently aquired/shared/whatever from Infineon...
It's not so hard to believe though, I mean, how many CH5 chips have done 250+ 2-2-2 @ 3.2v?
Let alone 260 2-2-2 @3.3v?
05-05-2005, 01:37 AM
largon

The potential for 250+ 2-2-2-x was in orig CH-5.

Winbond BH-5 and CH-5 are the same chip on different scale. But CH-5 didn't behave like BH-5 - Winbond's 130nm process was defective.
Winbond needed Infineon tech to enhance their 130nm process.

The CH-UTT chip is same old Winbond CH, built on Infineon-optimised process.
05-05-2005, 03:33 AM
Rabidmoose171

So, anywhere to find these yet, or prices... anyone know?
05-05-2005, 12:53 PM
Major

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabidmoose171

So, anywhere to find these yet, or prices... anyone know?

That IS the question ! :D
05-05-2005, 12:59 PM
Duonger

We are waiting for resellers to add it. But we will release it on our site 1st.

Duonger
05-05-2005, 01:09 PM
Rabidmoose171

so its not there yet...

no wonder froogle didnt find me anything:D.
05-05-2005, 01:52 PM
Duonger

OK Ladies and Gentlemen

Please check www.mushkin.com at 8PM MST for the release of the Redline series. We have parts ready to ship.

Duonger
05-05-2005, 02:28 PM
charlie

--bingo--
05-05-2005, 02:31 PM
SLaY3r07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

OK Ladies and Gentlemen

Please check www.mushkin.com at 8PM MST for the release of the Redline series. We have parts ready to ship.

Duonger

:woot: Redline will be teh own4g3
05-05-2005, 02:54 PM
c42

I think I'm gonna order me some and go back to the low latency world.
05-05-2005, 03:21 PM
Hallowed

But can you get them in 1GB DIMMs?

I love the name, incidentally. ;)
05-05-2005, 03:47 PM
Sucka

Product Price
512MB XP3500 2-2-2 REDLINE $ 115.00
1GB XP3500 2-2-2 Dual Pack (2x512MB) REDLINE $ 219.00
512MB XP4000 2-2-2 REDLINE $ 125.00
1GB XP4000 2-2-2 Dual Pack (2x512MB) REDLINE $ 239.00

Must resist buying more memory...hehe
05-05-2005, 03:52 PM
SLaY3r07

Will Mushkin eventually sell 2X256 kits?
05-05-2005, 04:09 PM
Disposibleteen

where is this stuff, cant find it, thought it was out on monday, i want some!
05-05-2005, 04:21 PM
kamaleon

whats the point on getting 2x256? other than benching?

edit: isnt 1gb (2x512) the norm nowadays?
05-05-2005, 04:26 PM
Sucka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disposibleteen

where is this stuff, cant find it, thought it was out on monday, i want some!

That's right off their site.
05-05-2005, 04:31 PM
boostdfd3s

must resist buying......need to thrash on my current Mushkin BH-5 to go 265...CANNOT SPEND MORE MONEY!!!!
05-05-2005, 04:40 PM
kryptobs2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamaleon

whats the point on getting 2x256? other than benching?

edit: isnt 1gb (2x512) the norm nowadays?

yeah I agree, no real point even when benching for the most part. 3dmark01 likes 1 gig better, and it's not really worth the tradeoff for a possible 5mhz more.
05-05-2005, 06:28 PM
[XC] moddolicous

So wait, if charlie has a 1gig set clocked at around 280 2-2-2-5, does that mean a really good set will do maybe possibly 300 2-2-2-5?!?! I think a 2*256 set will definetly do 300 2-2-2-5.
05-05-2005, 08:29 PM
Rabidmoose171

man, i want some, those heatspreaders are sexy.
05-05-2005, 08:44 PM
B5I8

Just ordered a 1GB kit of the PC4000 flava :rocker:. I think I need to sell some of the RAM I've been stock piling. Now I have a gig of OCZ VX, a gig of G. Skill Winbond UTT, 2x256MB Kingston HyperX 3200 BH-5, and now I'm going to have another gig of this Mushkin RAM.
05-05-2005, 08:56 PM
largon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallowed

But can you get them in 1GB DIMMs?

I love the name, incidentally. ;)

1GB/DIMM is not possible with 256Mbit chips.
05-05-2005, 09:07 PM
Eldonko

Whoo hoo memory competition, now maybe OCZ will dig those PC5000VX out of the vault! :D :banana:
05-05-2005, 09:27 PM
TEDY

PC4000 is DDR500 ?
05-05-2005, 09:30 PM
rcofell

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

PC4000 is DDR500 ?

yes it is
05-05-2005, 09:32 PM
Duonger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldonko

Whoo hoo memory competition, now maybe OCZ will dig those PC5000VX out of the vault! :D :banana:

We still got some more stuff coming out soon... muhahahahahaaaa

Duonger :toast:
05-05-2005, 09:34 PM
B5I8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

We still got some more stuff coming out soon... muhahahahahaaaa

Duonger :toast:

And you just had to tell us that after I made my purchase :slap:.
05-05-2005, 09:36 PM
mrlobber

Indeed, finally they're in stock on Mushkin's website :banana: Now too bad that San Diego has dried up my bank account :rolleyes:
05-05-2005, 09:51 PM
Duonger

Quote:

Originally Posted by B5I8

And you just had to tell us that after I made my purchase :slap:.

It has to do with DDR2 and some other stuff.... sorry... :slapass:

Duonger
05-05-2005, 09:55 PM
B5I8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

It has to do with DDR2 and some other stuff.... sorry... :slapass:

Duonger

Oh okay, I forgive you :toast:.
05-05-2005, 10:00 PM
rcofell

I'll just pretend that the redline xp4000 became available today to make me feel more special. :bday2:
05-05-2005, 10:17 PM
mrlobber

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcofell

I'll just pretend that the redline xp4000 became available today to make me feel more special. :bday2:

Happy birthday :party2:

Maybe you can try to speak with Mushkin about a birthday present? :rolleyes: :D
05-05-2005, 10:30 PM
kasius

Question:
Where to buy in Europe??? :(
05-05-2005, 10:36 PM
Rabbi_NZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

The potential for 250+ 2-2-2-x was in orig CH-5.

The potential for 5GHz is in my 3400+ as well, but not for the next couple of years.
I'm sure if AMD produced the exact architecture again when they are making chips on a new wizzbang 40nm technology it would clock a lot higher... but it wouldn't be the same chip anymore would it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Winbond BH-5 and CH-5 are the same chip on different scale.

Well... unless someone here knows the entire ground up architecture of both chips it's not something any of us can claim to know. They are similar, no doubt, but let's not blur the lines... a lot of people read what is written in XS and take as fact. That's a good thing, as long as we don't start "claiming" facts when there is little/no basis to our claims.

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

The CH-UTT chip is same old Winbond CH, built on Infineon-optimised process.

If it's made on a new process is it still the "same old CH"?

Don't take this as an attack largon, I just thought some of your points weren't factual.

Sorry for the off topic :)
05-05-2005, 10:52 PM
TEDY

any mushkin coupon available ??
05-05-2005, 11:10 PM
kamaleon

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

any mushkin coupon available ??

shoot i should have asked that b4 ordering..
05-06-2005, 12:05 AM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

any mushkin coupon available ??

Very nice price on the PC4000 2x512mb set at $239USD considering the lowest price for OCZ PC4000 VX is $258.74 at NewEgg. Can't find a valid 10% Mushkin coupon to place my order though. :D
05-06-2005, 03:13 AM
FireDragon

Nice this the new investment after I get my 3700 San diego

Dragon
05-06-2005, 03:51 AM
Nanobot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

We still got some more stuff coming out soon... muhahahahahaaaa

Duonger :toast:

Ooooooh,you mean PC5000 ??!! :hehe::slobber:
05-06-2005, 03:54 AM
Zebbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanobot

Ooooooh,you mean PC5000 ??!! :hehe::slobber:

He was talking about ddr2 stuff ;)
05-06-2005, 04:44 AM
c42

Did some quick searching couldn't come up with any coupons. Ordered mine. Now to plan on how to get the fans set around this xp90c... heh.
05-06-2005, 05:06 AM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDragon

Nice this the new investment after I get my 3700 San diego

Dragon

Ditto, just waiting for them to show up at newegg so I can put them on the same order. Kinda pointless having one without the other, I still can't use my rig.
05-06-2005, 05:23 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by gundamit

Very nice price on the PC4000 2x512mb set at $239USD considering the lowest price for OCZ PC4000 VX is $258.74 at NewEgg. Can't find a valid 10% Mushkin coupon to place my order though. :D

I recently test Gskill GH, they are almost 90% can do DDR500, 2-2-2-5@3.3v even 3.2v. and newegg has 180, digi4me is like 160 for a gig.;)
05-06-2005, 06:03 AM
kamaleon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

I recently test Gskill GH, they are almost 90% can do DDR500, 2-2-2-5@3.3v even 3.2v. and newegg has 180, digi4me is like 160 for a gig.;)

uuhmm... would this redline perform any better?
05-06-2005, 06:09 AM
FireDragon

So Gskill is now in to he UTT binning market to can i have link to these sticks please?

Dragon
05-06-2005, 06:18 AM
Unrealcpu

well i took the plunge and ordered a 1GB kit. the gskill is going into my backup machine that is air cooled lol
05-06-2005, 06:36 AM
Duonger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

I recently test Gskill GH, they are almost 90% can do DDR500, 2-2-2-5@3.3v even 3.2v. and newegg has 180, digi4me is like 160 for a gig.;)

:toast: or :slap:

Duonger
05-06-2005, 06:48 AM
TEDY

dounger : give us some XS special 10% coupon code :slap:
05-06-2005, 06:52 AM
Duonger

Let me check with my marketing guys.

Duonger
05-06-2005, 06:53 AM
TEDY

/me lix dounger :P
05-06-2005, 06:53 AM
charlie

Please keep the thread on-topic... and not turn it into a ABC vs. XYZ foodfight thread.

C
05-06-2005, 06:55 AM
FireDragon

10% we need a 15% discount!!! But hey 10% is better then 0...

Any way does anyone have that link to the Gskill UTT stuff and do you know if it is BH-5 or CH-5?

Dragon

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