Nah bro, but the F5 key is blank now instead of having "F5" on it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxman
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Nah bro, but the F5 key is blank now instead of having "F5" on it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxman
Usually, one of the first companies to have new releases form AMD is www.wave-computer.de.
They are retailers for the european continent and they are from germany.
Aren't A64's made in dresden and them shiped to the assembling facilities?
i thought i'd point this out. nothing really new, but it's still a good read if you're bored and impatient
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...64-venice.html
This core looks like it's going to be FANTASTIC. Overclocker's dream come true according to Xbitlabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Opening line is that they are shipping today, but then later it's stated that they will begin ship sometime before the 15th...so which is it? lol
I sure hope the diego core is just as good.
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Originally Posted by Mikael
OMG!!!!!!!!! :slobber: Venice crushes winny by 2.4fps in car high with ras-cas 4 ram! Under ideal conditions, the gap may be even wider! :slobber: :p: I get about 10-12fps ch each 200MHz cpu clocks so Venice is an easy 50MHz faster than winny clock for clock at 2.4GHz! At higher clocks, the gap widens even more, especially with good ram and win2k! :slobber: I did notice Opp needed watercooling and insane 1.68v to hit 2.8GHz on the Venice so ill probably get 2.6 to 2.7GHz on my 3000+ Venice im buying but ill probably run 8x multi with VERY high fsb. 325x8=2.6GHz He mentioned Venice's ondie is 30MHz+ stronger! 322x9=2.9GHz which youd probably need a binned 3800+ Venice for that, no thanks, ill be happy with 325x8=2.6GHz for a $200 3000+ Venice instead of a $500 3800+ Venice.
Anyway itll be April 4 in a few hours but I expect 10-14 days for Venice to ship to retailers so we may not hear about Venice till then
Exactly what ram are you expecting to hit 325 on a ratio of 1:1?
TCCD can do it with some lax timings... well certain TCCD. I'm sure my pair could probably do it, but with something like 3-4-4-10 or so.
Geforce4ti4200 tends to speculate, and do so very unaccurately most of the time.
lol
play nice now........... :toast:
his speculation makes me happy though :banana:
oh man, gimiegimie!
It kinda seems like Monarch is going to get teh Venice really soon seeing as they lowered the price of the 3200+ retail Winchester to $166 :slobber: I live 10 minutes away from monarch so when Venice is released, im gonna order it and pick it up.
^^^
....BASTAGE!!!! :slap:
just j/k :toast:
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Originally Posted by BLHealthy4life
Xbit makes a number of mistakes in that review. Venice ships on April 4, San Diego on the 15th.
Also, they apparently used the non-SSE3 version of TMPGEnc, and then complain when they don't see an SSE3 improvement!
http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/r...6455&forumid=1
Well past midnight eastern... nothing on monarch yet =\
This is :bs:! They are toying with us...
About TMPGEnc 2.5 : Xbit never said that 2.5 supports SSE3. They only say that two of the encoding software benchmarks support SSE3 for sure, DivX and Mainconcept. Both did not show any improvemnt, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
So, for the most part, what we can take from that review is that Venice has a great OCing potential. But did not bring any significant improvemnts in clock-for-clock speed comparing to Winchester.
Benchmarkers and OCers are gonna like it, though.
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Originally Posted by babalouj
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=AMD64 :confused:
Sure you didnt look at the 754 NC?
Nah it was 167 shipped earlier, but back to 194 now. Still a bibox though not bpbox =\.
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^^^ hahaha. I haven't seen that video in a long time mata2974. It's hilarious!
Do you have the entire video file possibly?
sigh ........ im another one of you guys waiting for venice ..... already have a 2.7 ghz winnie but you know the thirst for ocing never ends ........ always trying to be bigger and better :D .
Well from reading the first Venice review, at least its faster than winny which is much faster than newcastle. I am worried about incompatabilities with some mobos, they were unable to run t1 in one of the dfi mobos. I will have to wait and see concerning this issue. Also slower Venice may be speed binned and not overclock so well, perhaps 2.5 to 2.7GHz making it a sidegrade for you ~2.6GHz winchester owners
It was only with the DFI NF4, so it is obviously bios related, maybe even related to the memory they used. Either way a bios update should fix that np.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
As for the speed binned. Seriously man, let the chip actually hit the market before you start your speculation, averaging, and advising. Seriously, about what 3 weeks ago or so you were spouting how great it would be and that there is no need to go out and buy a winchester, or FX 55/53, etc. Now you are having doubts. You have changed your mind and are making speculations based on what? The 4 reviews that have been done?
Can't wait either since I blew my 2.85ghz winnie up a few weeks ago (yest that was on air) :( Been cpuless since :confused2
Thats just Ace, he will always get too excited and speculate. And speculate more.
Anyway, catching that Xbit review, Venice rocks.
Compared side by side against the Clawhammer 4000+, the Venice... with half the cache... is faster in UT2004 and Farcry, all encoding apps, and Sciencemark.
Thats impressive to me. In Quake 3, its 33 FPS higher than its Newcastle equivalent.
Building my next rig around a Venice 3800+, so I can hardly wait for them to hit shelves.
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Originally Posted by OjorisO
2.85GHz winny on air may be the world best winny you ever had. Sadly the Venice you get may not do this high but one can hope :) Yes I speculate alot but we now know what the 3800+ Venice does but I cant afford that, not paying $500 for it :stick: and theres little point in a 3200+ Venice unless it can do over 2.85GHz or I dont need the 10x multi, I need high fsb!
Ummm...I remember seeing at least two 3000+s doing 3ghz on air along with many more early week Winnies doing 2.8+ on air or mediocre water.Quote:
2.85GHz winny on air may be the world best winny you ever had.
Secondly, Venice's improvements come in the form of SSE3 as well which already raises its speed clock for clock vs Winnie and could well mean that a Venice at 2.8 may well be going head to head with an FX (cos of 90nm+soi+SSE3).
Perkam
I have seen charlie hit 3GHz suicide screenshot but it wasnt close to stable. That reviewer got 2.88 stable on the Venice. I have seen people hit 2.8 on the winny but not stable at all except maybe for a quick sandra or pifast run. If the occasional winny does that high, I would not be supprised to see the occasional Venice do over 3GHz. I can do 2.6 on my winny but its not stable past perhaps 2.45 whereas ill probably get 2.6-2.7 stable on a speedbinned 3000+ Venice with 2.8-2.85 for quick 3dmark runs :D
Why did you note SOI? All K8's are SOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
so none of the online sites are staying up late, eh?
Evidently not :(Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Are all you people really going to buy one the instant you see it hit the retailers? Damn I wish I had that sort of money :(
Its not like we are just buying them on a whim (well, not all of us). Alot of people ahve just put off upgrading for this, and its time to get it done. I know I am going to stalk the internet all day tomorrow and order as soon as I see somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
Don't forget some ppl have sold their cpu's already cuz they were sucky overclockers (especially with the new winchester series) and are cpuless now cuz they're waiting for the Venice to come cuz they seem to be guaranteed overclockers :D Just like me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper87227
Yes I know :( I was lucky for ONCE (well, have been lucky some times before too :p: but this time it was VERY much luck) and then I screwed it up because I forgot to turn it off after benching @ 2.9ghz, I woke up, my computer was off and would never turn on again, damn I hate myself :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
It was a 0444VPEW btw :)
So now I'm hoping for these babies to give me about thesame overclock, then I'm happy again :D (after my supercpu I've owned all winnies from 0451 to 0506 and they all sucked :( )
Judging by your sig, the sort of money you have seems pretty decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
Well you could get a 4000+ Diego, I hear those clock even higher than the 3800+ Venice since amd's finest silcon goes to the expensive Diegos.
My money situation right now is (hopefully) temporary. I've got a lot of good leads on jobs right now, so time will tell. I plan on getting a Diego FX-57, depending on its release, HOPEFULLY before MillionManLan (late june).Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
fx57 could be in the nine hundreds while I expect 4000+ Diego to be a little over half a grand. We would have to see how much higher fx57 clocks
How can the Diegos be more expensive than the FX57?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Redken, you have to let what Geforce says fly in one ear and out the other. I mean now he is making speculation on the san diego core which NO ONE has reviewed/seen(besides AMD employees heh).
I don't understand your thread crapping on Geforce, I saw this in another thread too. He did say "could", and going on the line of the FX-51, 53, and 55, the FX-57 could very well be up in the 900+ price range.Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
The 4000 is sitting pretty at about 550 right now, and that's just the Newcastle one. Man , last time i looked, the 4000+ was above 760 and the 3800 was 600+. now I see 3800's for less than 380! I saw a RETAIL 3800+ for 367 on newegg yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
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Originally Posted by Tanktanium
I wasn't refering to his post about the price. I have no doubt that it will probably be around 950-1000 dollars when it is first available.
I was refering to the 4000+ and amd's finest silicon comment.
Thread crapping? No. Stopping the spread of his misinforming forum members? Yes.
Ok then, why wouldn't AMD use their finest silicon for their flagship processor? Makes sense to me (wtf? where'd that post go? I was sure it was in this thread...)Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
Either way, speculation is about all we have to talk about here. Only a select few have actually gotten their hands on a venice unit, and even those people haven't been able to dissect the architecture of the processor. Note the use of the words hope, would, and could. If it bothers you that much, please settle it somewhere else :(
That not a problem, but he leads his speculation to be factual information. He says "I hear", or just plain out says that this will do better than that with no facts to base that information on.
Speculation is fine, as long as you let it be known that way, and not make it seem like you have based this on facts and misinform many.
Yes one could assume that their better silicon would be used for the higher end processors, but assuming that it will clock higher etc etc is not known and shouldn't be said.
Oh btw, the fx series is their flagship not the 4000 =).
If you look at almost all of geforce's post you will see this misinforming going on quite often, and it is well known. I am just getting tired of seeing it. Then have someone post in another thread, well I saw someone said that this processor can do this clock on avg, so why doesn't mine? When they go buy something off of this information etc.
This is all going way off topic though, anyone seen any online retailers with the venice? Monarch still doesn't as of 8 CST.
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Originally Posted by REDKEN
$550=!$950 :stick:
anyway lets worry about Diego in a few days, for now, the focus is on Venice. Maybe monarch wont be the first to get Venice this time? :confused:
When did this thread become about San Diego speculation? Maybe it needs to be moved to Speak Freely :rofl:
Everyone is welcome to state their opinion, even those way off in left field ;) We do a lot of speculation around here, nobody should take anything as empirical fact without reference to say AMD's tech docs . . .
Back on topic, I'm personally wondering how traditional retailers are going to advertise that these are Venice core CPUs (most don't actually give the codename) - Winchesters are 90nm already, think perhaps "Supports SSE3 Instructions" or the like will be used?
most stores list the model number, and we are looking for BPBOX insted of BIBOX.
Looks like today won't be our day :slap:
Just spoke with a monarch employee on the phone. He said as soon as they get some information as when they will recieve them and whatnot they would be listed on the website. He said he figured it would be about 2 weeks until they actually had them in stock, though.
omg :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
sounds like he gave you the "i don't know, but i'm going to make it sound good" response. he probably wiped a layer of sweat off his forehead once he got off the phone with you. rehearsing his written response to any callers inquiring about the venice, and at the top of his note, reads: VENICE APRIL 4th SURPRISE! TOP SECRET :banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
hope that got your guys's hopes up :D
He did note that AMD was "releasing" them today, but that they had no information on when/how many they would recieve. I'm not quite sure I believe that, but alas I hope it is available to order/ship this week as playing on this 2.8 p4/9800pro sucks when I am looking at my x850xt/pc4800... just knowing the performance upgrade that will be. Meh can't even play d3 without getting frustrated =\.
If you can't play Doom3 with such cpu+gfx something is very wrong with your pc or you are using AA and stupid resolutions...Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
For an overclocking gamer, running the highest settings/resolutions is the ultimate goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudzer
1280x1024, medium settings, as per detected by D3. It runs fine, when nothing is happening, but as soon as a fireball heads my way.... it's like the old days of eq, trying to play on a pentium 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudzer
Now, I could run low settings, but I just picked up the game(stepped away from pc gaming for a while). I'd rather finish the single player in high res/settings and enjoy the eye candy.
If you want to play Doom 3 with your P4/9800 Pro system, i would suggest running it at 1024 X 768 at the High game setting. From what i have seen in the reviews, your system would probably run smooth at those settings and would look the best. Leave the AA off.Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
To run at 1280 X 1024 and above, you will need a new card, like the X850 XT you mentioned. That new CPU and motherboard will help too. Good luck. :)
its noon....still no sign. I dont like this.
AMD has said that they are shipping April fourth. Did it occur to anyone that maybe AMD meant that they will be shipping these cpu's out to retailers?
If by retailers you mean just places like compusa....no way. There biggest market is e-tailers. And, if you meant everyone, then sure, thats waht they meant, but you would think the stores would list them now to get orders that they will be able to ship out tomorrow. THe claims from monarch saying 2 weeks is what has me worried. If they shipped today, it wont take two weeks for them to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
I think that newegg's best strategy (business wise) is to list the new processors AFTER they update the site, taking down the .99 cent shipping on all items and such.
paper launch??
forget it, it ain't going to happen today or tomorrow, check back this Friday :D :D :D
i'm just surprised no stores has put them up even for pre-orders.
damn , things aren't looking good. :slobber: :( :rolleyes: :mad: :eek:
Well, 99 cent shipping on a processor isnt going to give them a lose. Also, That doesnt explain the 6800ultra extremeish availablity of the processor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester FPS
Even which could be incorrect, some e-tailors are notoriously slow at changing model number even when there are stepping changes... up to few weeks some times... I for one will just swing by PC Club occasionally that is local to me. Or educate my friend at GameVE and ask him to look for that stepping (which will be even harder as he is very busy person there... as well as Gameve usually getting mostly OEM chips since their another operation is system builder IBuypowerpc)...Quote:
Originally Posted by babalouj
Even if Venice is hot, most places won't really stock them till their current stock of CPUS do run bit dry or time for re ordering which will take some time.
But newegg posts what core they are selling. E.G., you can specify wheather you want a newcastle or Winchester 3500+. Therefore, it would only make sense for them to list Venice if they get it.
With the system your planning you obviously have some money, I'm guessing its at some remote location like The Cayman Islands :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
Welp things have changed from: "if we're lucky, they will be available today and if we are not we'll get em by friday". To this: "If we are lucky they will be available by friday; if we ain't, they'll be available by the end of the month". :stick:
I thought I was making a joke when I was the first to reply to this thread, guess it turns out I was right :).... er... :(
I'm sure that this question has been asked in the thread before and I apologize in advance if it has been asked, but are we going to see a price drop in the Winchester once the Venice's are on store shelves?
;) :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Juliette
:( :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I would assume so, but no one can tell you for certain. Hopefully we will find out soon tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by busta`
EDIT: Newegg is down....hmmm. This could mean there updating perhaps? Or could it mean that you all killed it with the mindless refreshing? :D :stick:
The question should be. Will AMD reduce prices, and if so will Resellers actually do it. Those are unfortunately very different and usually uncorrelated events.Quote:
Originally Posted by busta`
I'd be willing to bet AMD drops the prices a bit to help clean out the supply and get to selling Only Venice and Diego chips :D
Well the egg is back up, any news? :D
Well, shipping is certainly back to normal, but no sign of Venice :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Crapzors... :slap:
got my hopes up for nothing
Is the release date in the UK/EU or do we get :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ed over like we seem to do in quite a bit of tech stuff :mad:
G
+1 ! Me too ! :( :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
nothing on monarchs "new releases" section :(
I don't think Monarch has updated their AMD64 page in a while
I wonder who AMD ships with?
Found one, but they have negative stock? :)
http://www.stegpc.com/details.asp?prodid=amd-64-35v
Those are Caa2c ;)
Manufacturers Nr. : ADA3500ASBOX
sorry i dont follow
Failed FX chips with 130 nm manufactoring process.
That site as been referred here as having wrongfull information about the venice cpu's.
Those are not venice cores.
Venice have a product code like this:
AS3x00BPBOX
Those are AS3x00ASBOX
Ahh well, now the wait is really on. Before we had an expected date(that ended up not showing any orders/pre orders avail), now we can just guess at it. Meh if the wait is long, I hope AMD is quick with my processor. They should get it Thursday, so maybe I can get running again next week, venice or not =\.
At least my new case came in today and I had that to play with.
Nevermind I found my asnwer.
Wow, I just find it really hard to believe that there are no signs of availability yet, not even pre-orders? Seems odd...
Well at least now everyday that passes there's that nagging chance that it will magically pop up in newegg or otherwise... :cheer:
Just an FYI... got an email tonight from an online vendor. They are trying to clear out their FX55s, 3000+s, and a couple of others, offering "discounts"... 20 whole dollars on the FXs :rotf: Said the discounts were only good till the 8th of this month. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
what online vendor would this be?Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
finally a pre order!!!! http://www.us.ncix.com/forums/index....id=0#msg811951. i think im gonna wait until the 3200+ and 3500+ come to pre order first though.
Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that site is lagging. Gonna pre-order. If anything else pops up/better price I'll change my order, depending on how long it takes to ship.
Nm screw that. Nearly 20 dollars for shipping with insurance... don't wanna pay 200 for a 3000+
$179 is a very good price, no wonder its outta stock. I was hoping the 3000+ Venice is below $200 and it looks like it might be :D
Ahh yea was just looking good clocking winnies resell for around 200. Gonna pre-order. I think it shows out of stock b/c it is pre-order, don't believe they ever had any "in stock".
Ahh well if a better deal pops up before it ships out I'll cancel this and order there.
199.44 Shipped to Louisiana. Ahh I'm so happy I could wrestle a gator.
Edit: I would wait for 3500 or 3800, but eh I don't have a whole bunch of cash to throw around atm, since my fx is in RMA process, and I can't sell that until I get it back, and my mach 1/lian li hasn't sold yet.
Only reason that would be, is perhaps the 3000's might get the reject cores and not clock as well. Then again we saw some of the best winnie clocks out of 3000+ chips... So hopefully I can go 311 HTT or so x9(2799mhz). Will be a nice match for my ram if I can get around there.
DAMITT TO HELL!! Out of stock... :mad: