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The new BH-UTT chips have nor problem with a CasLatency of 3 (at least mine). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleman
BTW, if the sticks do CL3 or not, doesn't determine, if they're BH-chips or not. It's just a matter of SPD-programming. ;) So basically every RAM out there can have problems at CL3, if the SPD is programmed for CL2 and CL2.5 only. I recently had a pair of VT RAMs (rebadged Nanya Chips supposedly) and they didn't boot at CL3 either.
mine booted at cl3, and cl2. CL2 up to 235, before i hit mobo limit. I must have some weird RAM then, since i was using 2.7v, and 2.9v seems to cause erroring. Maybe it just needs some heavy duty burn in.
ive just had my SP 3500 (new bh-5) sticks replaced by komplett uk, luckily they also found the errors i was having with them on my nf7 board... its just a question now if i order 2x512 of the 3200 SP (ch-5 / utt) and cross my fingers they work better now i have 3.3V to throw at them.. any thoughts?
I think you have a better chance of running 1t with CH/UTT. BH-5 have always had problems with 1t with 2x512mb sticks. But in the end everything is down to chance.
why not try out these geil value sticks from OCuk, they went all the way to 250 memtest-stable 1t on my DFI NF2 Infinity. I think they're cheaper than the TWSP at komplett anyway.
yeah, as i said, my geil value got up to 235mhz before my mobo became the limiting factor, that was at 2-3-2-11, with 2.7v 1t. Personally, i don't like Twinmos RAM, and this geil stuff is £70 for a matched pair, twinmos is £80 for unmatched. And it's still UTT, which means it has the same chance as the geil. Geil also comes on brainpower, btw.
Where did you get the Geil Value from, is the OcUK stock UTT?Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
OcUK. I think it is, yeah. I'm not 100% sure mine is, but i can get it to the speeds i said, and if anyone wants to tell me what to look for, i'll have a check for it.
Don't think there'd be much point you getting it though, i doubt it's as god as the gskill 4400LE.
So far ive ordered 2 dual packs from OCuk and both have been sick. Both max out at 260fsb. i'm almost certain the current stock is UTT.
@don vercetti your sticks are UTT, no other ram can do those settings. you can always check the metal tabs under the heatspreaders on each IC to be 100% sure. Like they say, seeing is believeing ;)
NajZ were those 2x512mb packs? If so I'm ordering one now :D
yep :toast:
so were mine, incidentally...
how to take the heatspreaders off?
@don_vercetti:
1. Pull the clips (Screwdriver between clip 'n hs. Pull it off)
2. Rip the plates open. (Use your fingers/creditcard/screwdriver. Lever the plates off starting from the bottom)
ok
i'll get back to y'all
you dont need to take off the heatspreaders to work out whether they are UTT. look at the bottom edges of the IC's along the bottom of the PCB. There should be two metal tabs on the bottom of each IC. It's kinda hard to explain, but you can take the heatspreaders off if you want to cool the sticks better. I put mine in the freezer for half an hour, took em out and they popped off easily.
check this pic out, found in the thread higher up, look at the tabs on the end of the IC.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=28772
here's how u tell :banana:
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/3516/geilutt6cu.jpg
see the 2 small solder balls on each of the ICs?
2 means winbond
4 means hynix
no other manufacturer puts 2 solder balls on like that. :woot:
sweet thanks, i didnt want to take off the spreaders.... so what if i dont have the balls...
ive got 2 512 single sticks... im currently at 238mhz 2.5-3-3-11 b/c of max vdimm is 2.9 in bios (need to do a vdimm mod) also my NF7-S keels over at 240mhz, need to up the NB voltage...
Just checked and there is 4 solder points, so i guess i either have Hynix D5 or D43... any way of finding out w/o having to pop off the spreaders?
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=19240
My UTT chips are a little weird. I'm limited to 2.85v, so my results are very minimal, and on my DFI LP 754 board i never did about 3.2v anyways (only got to play with them @ 3.2v for like 3 days). In my neo2 right now, I run 220mhz @ 2-2-2-5 just fine. I've done some extensive testing on 2.85v, and the max I can do error free on 2-2-2-5 is 223FSB, on 2-3-3-6, 236fsb. Here's the catch. I can't do 2.5-x-x-x anything above 240fsb without SOME errors. Even at 245fsb, i get less errors at 2-3-3-6 then i do on ANY combination of 2.5-x-x-x.
More results when I get an Ultra-D sometime either later this month or very early June. I'll be upping my pots to support 3.7v
no, it's not BHDC. I didn't see the soldering balls, but i can tell you the code on my RAM.
(if i can find the paper i wrote it on)
ok it said; AMIW0516
GL3LC3G88TG-5A
which doesn't mean much to me, but i'm sure to someone it can tell me a good deal.
http://uploadhut.com/thumb/thumb_124787.jpg
if those are the metal strips im after (and they aren't on a pc2100 stick i have, so i assume they are) then i have them.
Yup those are the ones.
These Geil Hynix sticks i have arent to bad, im memtest stable @ 238mhz 2.5-2-2-11 w/ 2.65vdimm... the only problem is that when i boot into windows at 2.65 or 2.75 it restarts its self after a min or two, i was just wondering why it would do this, but be memtest stable on test 5
im on a nf7-s, 2400+ XP-M 35w 238x10.5 w/ 1.85vcore, D26 Manarays XT 2T
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=19387
would i be able to handle 1T or is it worth trying
I bought anothher set. for myself this time.
the ICs look identical to d43s. 4 tiny little tabs.
these chips can't do crap. 3-3-3-10 maxes at like 210
2-3-3-6 runs ok at 200. anywhere above it just craps itself. I tried 3.2V. no dice.
the serial number is GE1GB3200BHDC
n0000000000000000 :(
i'm gonna sell these modules and try some muchkin rams.
mine is GE512PC3200B 2.5-3-3-6...
Serial number with SN500xxxx
cpu-z reports the serial no. 20020725
Manufacturing date: week 255, year 255
how do you tell btwn D43 and D5
would it be worth trying to run at 1T on this NF2 board, my ram has head some stable headroom 241mhz 2.5-3-3-11 but my board dosent like it....should i be able to run at 1T?
EDIT:: goat, try 2.7-2.9vdimm, these are alot like TCCD in the way they act
http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/memdetails.php?id=m69
So guys, 2.85V should be enough for UTT at 220MHz 2-2-2-5 rite?
in theory, although it wasn't for mine. It looks as though OcUK have changed the stock again, if you're all getting Hynix now. Unlucky really, cos this UTT stuff is awesome.
hmm. i tried everything up to 3.2V. 2.6 is the most stable. :S
when venice arives i'll try this stuff at higher speeds.
im at 2.5-2-2-11, 238mhz stable
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=19387
memtest stable at 2.65vdimm but my nf7-s dosent like it that low in windows and the computer crashes.... im fine at 2.95vdimm, hopefully after more burning in ill be fine at 2.85vdimm in windows... would upping my NB voltage help?
the pcb for that looks very different to mine. On mine there are traces everywhere, yours seems to be virtually empty (unless the camera is very bad?)Quote:
Originally Posted by goatman
Thats Brainpower PCB , its a bit thicker then standard JDEC pcb.. maby thats why we dont see the traces so well
don, will you post up a pic of your PCB
sure
i'll need to get the digicam out from wherever it is, first. Might have to wait until tomorrow. I'm fairly sure mine is brainower, it was definetely thinner than my old pc2700 ram, and two sticks of my pc3200 as well.
HEH! Come on! I think you have the balls to take off them spreaders. Take 'em off and show the goods!Quote:
Originally Posted by 13oost
Sorry. Couldn't resist. Looks like this may be the RAM for me as well. Anyone sell it in the US besides Outpost.com? Thinking of going to Fry's to see if they have it. No restocking fee is the main attraction there.
newegg has it, iirc.
yea, thi is the stuff u want. it's definetly not the hynix stuf i have.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13oost
these are heading back to newegg as soon as my OCZ Value (VX) gets here, my ceiling for the memory at 2.5-2-2-11 and 2.5-3-3-11 is 240mhz (which i need to up the NB voltage and possibly mod to become stable at those speeds).... maybe this would perform better in a NF4 board, ive noticed as i memtest the errors arent decreasing, i havent seen a decrease in errors at 240mhz in mem test in the last 70+ hours of memtest, they have started becoming fewer and fewer. The error'd addresses have become consistant though... its memtest stable at 2.65vdimm but isnt stable in windows at that...
ive also had the bios to hang 2-3 times today at the sata raid post screen during boot... at my 24/7 timmings... which it hasnt done before... it did this after ~8 straight hours of memtest...
active cooling these sticks w/ heatspreaders are useless to get rid of errors... i broke out my old 80mm tornado (to loud for me to run on my SP-97) and tried to see if it would help... and it did nothing.... they like to be warm... starting memtest fresh, after being in windows a few hours or it being off and getting cold, it seems to error some, but when they warm up they stabelize and i get 0 errors
but yea, when i first received the modules i thought they was a POS, they wouldnt even do stock timming and errors out, which they still refuse to do stock, so i filled out the rma stuff and NewEgg is going to cross ship me these 2 sticks for OCX Value (VX)
it may be a good decision, or a bad, i know these sticks are a fairly good set, but ive also had PC2700 @ 3-4-4-11, 2.9v, 238mhz and one stick was kingston and the other samsung... so ive had fairly good luck with these... maybe i can do 230 or 235 @ 2-2-2-11 w/ 2.96v or mess with my rails and go for 3-3.1
bad news on the ram
They LOVE voltage... they LOVE it so much that it wont do 200 2.5-3-3-11 (2.5-3-3-6 is stock timmings) at 2.75 or 2.85vdimm
i got 80 errors on the first loop of test 5 @ 2.75 w/ stock voltage, and 37,552 errors @ 2.85 w/ stock timmings, i put it back to 238mhz 2.5-2-2-11 @2.85 and i got 2 errors after 10 loops, the errors was in the usual addresses ive always seen them in 496.X mb and 512.X mb... it seems that the memory is dieing, i noticed errors creaping into memtest at 241mhz over the past day or two, though it seems that the errors was less frequent. 496.5 and 512.5 always gave me errors.....
when i swap the ram in the slots, no matter what timmings i get 7k+ errors at stock or overclocked settings... as long as have them in the order i do now, the errors have been non existant at the speeds im running at currently
the OCZ Value "VX" is in the mail right now, i have sent newegg the new order number and the rma number for the restock fee waver that the support personel said they would send, b/c of defective ram
The ram was good while it lasted :( ... good chips, but either theyre dieing or i have had a damaged/defective chip and its finnaly showing its ugly face
those probably weren't UTT, the product code didn't have bhdc in it, which is a rather distinctive feature of it. If they were, i guess they lived up to their UTT (UnTesTed) name. Mine won't even go above 2.9v at the moment without erroring. Total opposite of yours!
they wernt UTT, lol, earlier i mentioned they was Hynix Chips, b/c of the large dot in the lower right corner, im suspecting it was Hynix D5 b/c of the stock latencies
i just recently bought a 1x1024 stick of geil value DDR400 for $85. It came with stock timings of 3-4-4-8. I am currently running it at 240 fsb, 2.5-3-3-8. I want to find out what chips i have, cause this is a good OC for this stuff.
My first post :D
Well I got some BHDC, PN1353-SN5000939. I don't know if this is UTT or not. I've 'booted' (see later) at 2-3-3-5 1T 200mhz and it has the two metal strips. Any lower on TRCD and TRP throws up thousands of errors but then again I did it in the orange slots of my Ultra-D using the TCCD BIOS 510-3. I'll have to try the BH5 BIOS 510-2 or 510-1 before I can really know.
I think it's definitely a BIOS thing though because the moment I switch to CAS2, no matter how many passes of memtest I have just run, I get the 'Error loading Operating system' at the RAID screen. I put my TCCD back in and it boots fine. Need to test these properly.
try using a normal board. They can't boot 2-3-3-11 STILL on my abit, it might be a BIOS issue, but i can't be bothered to re-flash right now (good old exams, and all that).
@smids
you really need to increase the voltage on the memory to at least 3.0v+ to see the memory fly. If it has those metal stips then it's UTT 100%.
It's best to burn then in initially for a few hours at 3.0v+ just to get them warmed up ;) for some high HTT action
any updates on this GEIL VALUE UTT ???? Any better pics etc...
better than what?
of GEIL VALUE ram sticks :)
yes but do you want pics of them to gaze at in admiration (understandable, given the price;performance ratio) or pics to show how to tell if they are UTT or what?
i haven't taken the heatspreader off mine yet, but i would assume this geil value stick has to have UTT. Too bad my bios only let's me max vdimm at 2.8 :(
Is this UTT ?
http://dym.haluze.com/Geil/Geil1.jpg
http://dym.haluze.com/Geil/Geil2.jpg
http://dym.haluze.com/Geil/Geil3.jpg
I think its not because, they cant run at 2-2-2-X with any voltage (a try 3.2V). They run only at 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.8V.
it seems to have the requisite dots on the IC, but if it won't do 2-2-2-, and can't even do 2-3-2-x or 2-2-3-x then i guess it's not very good UTT, or not UTT. it is UnTesTed after all.
the two metal "tabs" on the end of the chips look too small to be UTT aswell.
your right actually...hynix?
no, hynix has 4 metal dots on the side.
i've seen that ic several times and i'm not sure what that is.
that is utt for sure, give it mo' juice!
Gogogo mushkin redline, definately UTT.
Try to boot at 2-2-2-5 with 2.6~3.0VQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyLee
THIS GEIL VALUE IS :banana::banana::banana::banana: !!!!
not BH-5 UTT whatsoever NEVER.
Well, what's the best BH/CH-UTT RAM out there?
I'm a gamer, and I know games/3d apps benefit more with low latencies other than high frequencies. My first is goal is 250Mhz 1.5-2-2. 270 2-2-2 would be nice too. Brainpower PCB is a plus too.
- What's better, CH-UTT or BH-UTT?
- Punisher! said on his thread that the Mushkin Redline XP4000 as other RAM's are based on a new production BH-5. Is he reffering to BH-UTT? And AFAIK MushkinXP4000 is based on CH-UTT and that's what make it the hottest RAM right now?
Thanks a lot.
Regards :)
REDLINE is all you should know.
My hp3200 does 260mhz@3.4v
You won't be able to tell any difference in games between RAM with 33ns latency (low latency, high speed RAM) from 50ns (~stock).Quote:
Originally Posted by muaddib
The gain is only visible in synthetic benches.
Eh? My Geil runs 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz at 2.75V stable in windows, memtest pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
That can't be UTT CH-5.
No, but it can be UTT BH-5 ;)
my friend's set does 240 2-2-2-5Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
they stopped using winbond dies now tho.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dymONE
Yes ...See the BHDC at the end of 1GB3200BHDC that is new BH-5.
Nah, see on the sides of each IC? Theres 2 metal dots on that one. If its UTT it would have 2 metal streaks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
Hi chaps
Well im new here and so let me say hello!
well i have this Geil Value stuff that everyones talking about but im abit of a n00b at this memory overclocking stuff.
I have all the right numbers/serial code/manufacturing date on these modules but one thing im not sure off is i have 4 solder balls at the end of each of the module chips on my ram.
my question is what chips are these and how far do you think they would go?
also what is required to push these over the 200mhz mark??
thanks guys!
That's not UTT. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by atanum141
Shame...any idea how far it would go tho???Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Ill be getting a Nf7-s nxt week to replace my a7n8x so im thinking i would be able to atlest hit 210mhz with them?
iirc Samsung chips have 4 dots. But really, they could be anything.
Do they look like this?
Try 2.5-4-4-X and 2.8V.
well at the moment they are running at 200Mhz at 2.5-3-3-6 at stock volts.
Any suggestions to push them further?
EDIT: yes they do look like the link that you have provided even tho i havent taken the heat spredders off. but yes they have 4 solder balls.
atanum141,
For some reason, your avatar really disturbs me. :wth:
But that's just me. :slap:
No its not. Ewww.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
the ram pictured in that link is either infineon or mosel vitelic.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
you can tell that by pin1 marking (circle in the corner of the ic). its a bit moved from the corner, typical for infineon/mosel.
also, on samsung, 4 dots on the side are positioned in a different way:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6...ungside5my.jpg
well...never mind..ive changed it to be abit more kiddie-friendly.
..so back to the ram..anyone got any clue how ell these non-UTT 4 solder balls geil stuff clocks??
you jus gotta find out for yourself. Once the nf7-s comes, jus get clocking. Low multi, high fsb.
Where can I find Cheap UTT???
Well, it seems that the time for cheap UTT has passed. :(
ATM I can't find a single manufacturer that still produces modules with dirt cheap UTT chips on them. There are still the big names like Corsair, OCZ or Mushkin (and the ones that i forgot to mention) that still have UTT based sticks in their lineup, but those are definately not cheap. Besides this fact, there's still plenty of Winbond based RAM available on eBay. ;)
Sure, iits just Mexico has no ebay! Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by celemine1Gig
I think im getting some 2x512MB TCC5 from OCZ.
dammit...i knew it was too good to be true...just my luck...
ahh well i will see what i can do with my sticks when my NF7-s arrives within the week. but i was thinking in investing in some corsair for future purposes..as their prices have lowered abit and more affordable....hummm i donno. :confused:
sorry guys should have seen this thread long ago.
GE1GB3200BHDC
uses UTT BH, its the stuff that didnt make the Geil one W line, so shouldnt do 250 2-2-2-5 @ 3.4v.
but it will prolly reach 250 ish on 3.6v
targ
well i have that serial no:GE1GB3200BHDC but apparently i dont have UTT :mad: having that number dosent mean you have the same as other guys.
ahh well.
they're prolly that bogus hynix IC i had beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by high5
that circle in the corner of the ic different on hynix ic's so i doubt it. (if you're reffering to these)
mine do 255mhz 3.2v :P
I gather your sticks (chips) don't look like this?
no nothing like. There's a pic of how they look on the front page i think.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...407#post817407
thats how mine look, note the 2 strips on top of the modules.
Just bought a geil value ram yesterday.
PN1035-SN5014176
GE1G3200BDC 2.5-8-3-3
heres the cpuz report:
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6405/geil0cm.jpg
i saw two solder ball on each ics like goatman posted.
pls confirm if its utt or not. thanks
Photo please!Quote:
Originally Posted by JumbOitz
sorry i have no camera.
il rather use goatmans pics for reference. this exactly looks the same with my geil.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1...lutt6cu0ob.jpg
did geil confirmthat they use winbond chips on their new mem?
for a bit. Only one way to really know though.....test it!
@ don
2 day is my 2nd day of burning in. ive tried 230 mhz on 2-3-3-8 at stock voltage.
i see some potentials on it. hehehe